Colin Bennett - June 12, 2011

[tyder001]

tyder is out of it because of....oh I don't know, crack abuse?



ROFLMAO! Yeah, I bassed acwards right into that one.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

I think Lance will be back. Matter of fact even though I made an attempt (however crude) at sarcasm I think he would have "Thanked me" for that useful post. Sometime I think folks might benifit from backing away and thinking about things for a minute. I have never understood how anybody who is so sure that all paranormal is bunk could enjoy a paranormal show or board. But, to each his own and I do enjoy honest open minded skeptism. I pratice it. However, I would have zero tolerance and zero interest in joining a board about James Randi or Richard Dawkins. I woulnd't torture myself with their snarky silly and simplistic brand of skeptiscm. Just as I woulnd't subject myself to a silly paranormal board if I was sure it was all junk. But, to each his own and I think this will all work out.

I'm assuming you've never read a Richard Dawkins book if you say "simplistic brand of skeptiscm." Read his book and get back to me. Although he can be barbed at times, his writing and prose is fantastic. Also, if you have ever used the word "meme," you should thank Dawkins, as he coined it. You may not agree with his conclusions, but he supports them and his supporting arguments are FAR from simplistic.

 

[trainedobserver]

The guest's answer to my question was the most ridiculous I have ever heard as to why there are no good pictures of UFOs in an age when everyone has a camera with them.

Actually, if you listen to the answer, the full extended answer, I think it makes sense and I think you would agree with him at least in part. He actually alludes to the fact these things exist primarily as our misperception and misconception of something else. His story of the cargo cult and the label on the can was meant to illustrate that our perception most likely is in no way representational of its actual nature. Now, you can go any which way you want with that (everything from mistaken identity to earth lights) but I cannot argue with it as it stands.

I enjoyed the show and the fellow's delivery for the most part.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Well, I tried to understand Mr. Bennett, but he sounded like Dudley Moore as Arthur if Arthur had a mouthful of bread pudding that he refused to swallow for a couple of hours. What I could understand didn't make too much sense. I think the guy was loaded. I'm pretty sure I heard him say, "I'm going to have another drink." at one point. I think Chris caught that too.

He said it was lemonade. He was coughing throughout the episode, which I excised; he's publicist said he'd been ill for a while. I wouldn't assume anything else, other than the fact that I couldn't understand much of what he said either.

 

[tyder001]

Response to Angel: Read it so you "assume to much" ever read Raiden or Sheldrake or Brian Josephson? Ever read where Daniel Dennet called Dawkins "theology" childish? Simplistic? Yeah, he's grate! I really don't care and to be honest I didn't read word for word since I do have some "training" in manipulation and he is one. Get back to me when you can "think" outside the Skeptic R US box! But, serioulsy before this gets more snarky. I think the whole thing is a little silly. Lance went over the line but I do think he makes some good points. But, he also gets personal and doens't know when to quit. Nobody here has ever convinced somebody else to change their worldview by the abundance of snarky remarks. If they have then ya didn't have much of a world view in the first place. Anyway, I'm done here cause a'h gotta go read muh "evolution is bunk and darwin is the debil" manual. We can compare notes after I'm finished.

Peace. (no really) peace.

Steve

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Actually, if you listen to the answer, the full extended answer, I think it makes sense and I think you would agree with him at least in part. He actually alludes to the fact these things exist primarily as our misperception and misconception of something else. His story of the cargo cult and the label on the can was meant to illustrate that our perception most likely is in no way representational of its actual nature. Now, you can go any which way you want with that (everything from mistaken identity to earth lights) but I cannot argue with it as it stands.

I enjoyed the show and the fellow's delivery for the most part.

I see what you mean by the extended answer. I was just frustrated by the first part and the whole dimensional thing. I'm glad he was called on it.

 

[J.T.]

I'm assuming you've never read a Richard Dawkins book if you say "simplistic brand of skeptiscm." Read his book and get back to me. Although he can be barbed at times, his writing and prose is fantastic. Also, if you have ever used the word "meme," you should thank Dawkins, as he coined it. You may not agree with his conclusions, but he supports them and his supporting arguments are FAR from simplistic.

I've read several of Dawkins' books, and enjoyed them quite a bit. He's an entertaining and smart fellow, who nevertheless seems to get swallowed up in his own ideas a bit too deeply. Dogmatic to a fault, though that does make very entertaining television and surely boosts his sales numbers.


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[PararealitySaint]

First off I would like to thank Gene and Chris for bringing us such an outstanding diversity of guests each and every week. Considering the economy the way it is, I am glad to find this show continuing on with the superior quality of programming we have all come to love.

That being said, I found it a little difficult to listen to Mr. Bennett, albeit not because of anything Gene or Chris did, but because it seemed that the answers he gave to the questions were backed with nothing more than abstract-isms and sometimes outright nonsensical meanderings. I found it disheartening to listen as Chris would attempt to reel him in, and Gene would constantly almost "push" his thoughts, either back on the path of the question, or on to another subject, having been tired of juxtaposing him like a yo yo on steroids, back and forth to the point....over and over again.

The one question of the proof of dimensionality was a nail bitter to say the least. I thought it only respectful of Chris to finally acquiesce as to how his seriously off-ended explanation, had even the remotest relevance, either new or even epipahnic in the context of UFO's. This within his long winded "feelings" statement as dimensional???? Chris, emphasizing how his theory took the mechanics out of dimensionality, was perfectly placed and finally led to some form of rationality on his part....

Excellent job once again to get the clarification out Chris! You are a definite asset to this format and as a co-host on this show!

I've heard by others on this forum that his books are interesting, so I am in hopes that I can find a difference of opinion, that is once I attempt to find a "free" copy from a friend....Sorry to say, but to actually buy one at this point is not going to happen anytime soon.

 

[bitfiend]

He said it was lemonade. He was coughing throughout the episode, which I excised; he's publicist said he'd been ill for a while. I wouldn't assume anything else, other than the fact that I couldn't understand much of what he said either.

Ah. Well, I suppose I'll have to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'll try reading his book. Hopefully he's more concise in print.

 

[NTS]

Colin Bennett on his website has mentioned having health problems. His website hasn't been updated since April either (previously it was updated almost daily) so I too am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

So far I've only listened to part of the interview. But based on his website and books I'd say he has a few interesting ideas, particularly in connection with alien contact and the cultural confusion that is likely to accompany it. Unfortunately he tends to write about those few ideas at more length than they can really sustain.

 

[Kieran]

I'd be happy to see something that I know had not been faked. A "raw" photo or video would go a long way. I just did not like his explanation, in that it has to do with the difficulty of catching something that moves between dimensions.

There is lots of good photos of UFO's showing objects that look like saucers triangles and so on, from the past and present, but Angel would a raw photograph even a video honestly change your mind about the UFO subject. If you claim yes. I have to say I don't believe you!

Well Colin was just giving his opinion, if he said this is the case I have prove of it, then fine rightly i agree question his opinion more. Personally, Maybe I am used to hearing lot of English Accents on TV, but Colin came across alright to me. I found him to be intelligent person and insightful especially half way through the interview, deep thinkers, can and are often misunderstood.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

There is lots of good photos of UFO's showing objects that look like saucers triangles and so on, from the past and present, but Angel would a raw photograph even a video honestly change your mind about the UFO subject. If you claim yes. I have to say I don't believe you!

Well Colin was just giving his opinion, if he said this is the case I have prove of it, then fine rightly i agree question his opinion more. Personally, Maybe I am used to hearing lot of English Accents on TV, but Colin came across alright to me. I found him to be intelligent person and insightful especially half way through the interview, deep thinkers, can and are often misunderstood.

I have said many times that I have no problem saying I'm wrong or being convinced of something if the proof is right. Who are you to tell me what I would say? That's a little unfair. Show me something clear, like an unaltered HD video or a good RAW photo, and I would have no problem saying that it's something special. Blurry pictures and lights in the sky will not cut it though.

 

[status4]

He said it was lemonade. He was coughing throughout the episode, which I excised; he's publicist said he'd been ill for a while. I wouldn't assume anything else, other than the fact that I couldn't understand much of what he said either.

um, I have some land I'd like to sell ya Gene Totally lost me when he started the story about the porn theater, the cat food, the Lancaster bomber, and the man in black with the lovely silvery blonde hair.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Especially the blond haired MIB.

 

[Kieran]

I have said many times that I have no problem saying I'm wrong or being convinced of something if the proof is right. Who are you to tell me what I would say? That's a little unfair. Show me something clear, like an unaltered HD video or a good RAW photo, and I would have no problem saying that it's something special. Blurry pictures and lights in the sky will not cut it though.

It may happen in the future, we'll get that desired evidence you like to see? But if you think about it Angel, the modern-UFO phenomenon is not that old, sixty years plus years, is only speck in space and time. The planet we live on has been around long before humanity arrived an estimated four billion plus years. There may come a time in our near future were humanity will learn a lot more about the UFO phenomenon then we currently are able to do in 2011,

 

[dyingsun]

I don't know how old Colin is, but he sounded like a likeable grandpa on fermented Lemonade needing a hearing aid (might just have been delay)to me. I haven't read any of his books, but from I gathered he was chastised for a book on Charles Fort ?

 

[Angel of Ioren]

he sounded like a likeable grandpa on fermented Lemonade needing a hearing aid

Awesome assessment. Very funny.
He was extremely likable, that's for sure.

 

[trainedobserver]

Angelo,

There are indeed photographs of Unidentified Flying Objects.
Project Hessdalen has taken several, some with special cameras rigged for spectrographic analysis.
The Skylab III UFO photo is another one. There are a few others I think are true unknowns as well.

But yes, if UFOs were as prevalent as many speculate or claim, you would think that more photographs of them would be available. However, I think at this point any potential real photos from the man in the street would be indistinguishable from faked ones, making the quest for a genuine UFO photograph an impossible task.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Angelo,

There are indeed photographs of Unidentified Flying Objects.
Project Hessdalen has taken several, some with special cameras rigged for spectrographic analysis.
The Skylab III UFO photo is another one. There are a few others I think are true unknowns as well.

But yes, if UFOs were as prevalent as many speculate or claim, you would think that more photographs of them would be available. However, I think at this point any potential real photos from the man in the street would be indistinguishable from faked ones, making the quest for a genuine UFO photograph an impossible task.

Thanks for those Rick. I know there are things that have been seen that remain unknown. I only have a problem when we jump to conclusions about what they may be.

 

[PararealitySaint]

Thanks for those Rick. I know there are things that have been seen that remain unknown. I only have a problem when we jump to conclusions about what they may be.

I totally agree with you here Angelo.

The fact still remains that there is something I just don't understand about why those who believe they exist as intelligent E.T. backed craft cannot come to grips with, and that is the fact that we are a planet which has been here for billions of years. Taking that into consideration and the fact that UFO's throughout time immemorial on this earth have been supposedly visiting us, and have been painted on walls, in paintings, eye witnessed, etc., that not one photo, alien visitor, or actual event which can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that they in fact exist....has in fact happened.

For this very reason I stay open to the idea that we have no clue as to what they are...I call them demonic....others call them just Unidentified Flying Objects without the Alien hyperbole added in. And those that do would be 100% correct over my theory because I don't have any proof that what is happening is Demonic. Therefore in my statements here and always I imbibe the, "I don't know for sure", or the, "I believe", or the ever loving, "possibility" that they are what I feel they are.

In conclusion to this, to call them "extra-terrestrial" and also "Alien/intelligent" in the same context is an of itself nonsensical for the very reason I cannot call them demonic with any authority other than my faith alone, which isn't verifiable or in any way proof.

So it would be a really nice gesture for all those who BELEIVE that U.F.O.'s are "alien intelligent" driven to please allow for the "I Believe", or, "I don't know for sure", or the ever loving, "Possibility" when they are commenting here or anywhere as well. In that way we can all agree to disagree without stepping on each others feet, getting angry, and then having me say stupid name callings such as "Alien Wannabe's", and "Marvin the Martians", etc. It gets us nowhere to do this and I don't believe that Gene developed all of this here to fight. I believe he did so for everyone contributing and just viewing or listening to come together and learn and be entertained by a subject we are all very interested in.

Ohhh and before I forget...This is the new me so just get used to it!