Command Sergeant Major James Norton Claims PROOF of UFOs!

[Kieran]

What's holding Vasquez from verifying this evidence himself? Curious "hype-inducing" feel to this "release," especially considering he wrote one of the few works on this purported event.

Vanquez hasn't got any physical evidence to show us or prove his story, as far as I'm aware.

The reason why I said to Train in another post. We'all should be very cautious about this one man's story, even though yes, now two guys are indeed claiming to have seen these UFOs at Fort Benning in 1977, is the fact only one man Norton out of two-eyewitnesses has claimed here to have some physical evidence to prove his story. I can't fathom why the video evidence of this encounter, he alleged he has, and the metal with the hieroglyphs can not be shown straight away to the world (maybe because he ain't got it)

A press conference could be organised in a day or two tops and showing this evidence would be enough I think to have an impact on the audience and media present.

The metal came from one of the spaceships allegedly according to Norton, but one of other inconsistencies in his story, is the fact he told Kevin Smith during the interview the UFOs, had no visible markings. For me hieroglyphs would be a visible mark!

Kevin asked some good questions. Norton been the guest may not have given long answers to some of the questions, but that does mean he is simple minded, as one poster commented.

Can't judge someone on one interview alone unless there talking total bullshit all the way through the radio interview. I think Norton has had some military training, but does not mean here he witnessed an aerial battle between humans and aliens at Fort Benning. I think if we hear nothing in the next couple of weeks, it safe in my eyes to then dismiss the whole thing as a hoax and a lie.

But if this story is anyway true mind blowing to say the least, but can't get around the fact here there is problems with his story in many places, and how out of 1200 men plus men that saw these UFO's, Vanquez and Norton are the only two people to come forward to date.

Is it unlikely these men know each other and are trying to fool everyone! I guess we just have to wait a few more weeks to find out the deal here.

 

[PararealitySaint]

I can't fathom why the video evidence of this encounter, he alleged he has, and the metal with the hieroglyphs can not be shown straight away to the world (maybe because he ain't got it)

You hit that one right on the head. There isn't any "metal" and as he's called out on it, just like in Roswell, the truth is always told.

I am sorry. I have been waiting for the "metal" and the "crashed saucers" and the "alien bodies" for so long now, I become plain angry at all the so called "proof" we continue to hold out for.

Just how many years are we to continue to wait for this before it's finally told that there isn't a such thing as "E.T." ever visiting us, or any E.T. crashes, or any Alien bodies....

Nope. Just has to be because that contingent needs it to be.

 

[Kieran]

You hit that one right on the head. There isn't any "metal" and as he's called out on it, just like in Roswell, the truth is always told.

I am sorry. I have been waiting for the "metal" and the "crashed saucers" and the "alien bodies" for so long now, I become plain angry at all the so called "proof" we continue to hold out for.

Just how many years are we to continue to wait for this before it's finally told that there isn't a such thing as "E.T." ever visiting us, or any E.T. crashes, or any Alien bodies....

Nope. Just has to be because that contingent needs it to be.

I don't want to derail this thread into a discussion do I believe ET is coming here to this planet or not, but for me UFOs do exist (been a witness) and some of them are intelligently controlled by someone or something whether that is ET/ Time travellers/ Multi-universe dimensional visitors is not something that keeps me up at night worrying about, but I do know what I saw does not belong to any country on this planet including your own country. I have never seen aliens ever, and never have been abducted by nonhumans, but do have eyes, what I saw for me was beyond anything I have seen before anywhere on the news, internet or TV.

I have seen intelligently controlled flying objects of nonhuman origin (my opinion as the experience is mine) Crashes of UFO's and recovering of alien bodies is something I find very little evidence exists for, beside the fact UFO's seem only to crash in the United States for some unknown unique reason. There just stories with very little substance behind them. However Roswell is interesting for whatever reason in 1947 Roswell Airfield put out a press release of having found a flying disk, mistake or coverup, don't know, however Lance pointed out something to me about Marcel claiming some of the wreckage was photographed in 1947 alongside the balloon wreckage. I don't see any saucer wreckage in the photographs, so there is obvious flaw in the story right there.

Trying to finish up another post, so comment back to you at later time if i get a chance, but finally no metal has show up yet so until should time, we must assume he is lying.

 

[Hotkafka]

Vanquez (sic) hasn't got any physical evidence to show us or prove his story, as far as I'm aware.

Umm, yeah. ...Hence my wondering why he hasn't gone and verified CSM James Norton's purported evidence himself, this being the evidence he's been so hip to broadcast as being the paradigm-busting smoking gun. And let me venture a prediction for you. Some yahoo makes the call, and then the drive, shows up with sweaty palms on the doorstep of Norton's homestead. Couple web-based press nerds are there with cameras, ready for quick uploads to YouTube. Norton and yahoo wander into the backyard strapped with metal detectors. Big zig-zaggy searches ensue. Hours pass. Maybe days. But wait a minute, hmm?... Absolutely no UFO space metal to be found? Preposterous! Norton at this point proclaims, "Foul play! The government came and plucked it from the ground!"

 

[Bob Watson]

OK one more time my dad was THERE from 76 to 79 my dad worked in the Inspector generals Office. my dad was a CAPTAIN in the army. He contacted a friend who also WAS there..BOLTH men rember NOTHING of the sort EVER happening at ft Benning. My dad recalled his time there as DULL. IF any thing of the sort happened including crashed chappers the IG WOULD KNOW. MY dad has NO REASON to lie to me. he has told me he BELEVES that alein life exist. He has said IF something like this happened there would BE NO WAY ANYONE could cover it up...
Ft benning is surrounded by Army towns over 100,000 ppl are stationed there and with the out side army towns it rises to well over 250,000 ppl! I know one relible witness who says it NEVER happened and he knows a second. so there we have it once again this is a HOAX!

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also he says solders were breifed not to tell any one. BY WHO? certaly not the IG,s office...

and he says the post was closed for a few days... once again ill contact my father to see if this is true....WOW this is so easy to check.. oh yes IF THE POST CLOSED the local area paper would have noticed and im sure it would be known BY some one that ft Benning shut down for two 3 days...

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

OK one more time my dad was THERE from 76 to 79 my dad worked in the Inspector generals Office. my dad was a CAPTAIN in the army. He contacted a friend who also WAS there..BOLTH men rember NOTHING of the sort EVER happening at ft Benning. My dad recalled his time there as DULL. IF any thing of the sort happened including crashed chappers the IG WOULD KNOW. MY dad has NO REASON to lie to me. he has told me he BELEVES that alein life exist. He has said IF something like this happened there would BE NO WAY ANYONE could cover it up...
Ft benning is surrounded by Army towns over 100,000 ppl are stationed there and with the out side army towns it rises to well over 250,000 ppl! I know one relible witness who says it NEVER happened and he knows a second. so there we have it once again this is a HOAX!

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also he says solders were breifed not to tell any one. BY WHO? certaly not the IG,s office...

and he says the post was closed for a few days... once again ill contact my father to see if this is true....WOW this is so easy to check.. oh yes IF THE POST CLOSED the local area paper would have noticed and im sure it would be known BY some one that ft Benning shut down for two 3 days...

Yes its in the grey basket and this is a long strech be some type of a 'demensional bubble' when this so called event happened?

 

[trainedobserver]

According to the interview he had just spoken to Stan Friedmen concerning where to send material samples. That will no doubt take months to get any results from is he sends it somewhere. To me, the thing for him to do is release some of his paperwork. It sounds like he has some plan to get other members of his unit to come forward with documentation as well.

The "pull it all out of him" nature of the interview was painful and seems to odd for someone who wants to get their story told. You could mark this down trying not reveal it is an imaginary story, some aspect of his training showing through, or the interviewer, and so on. It did seem that the interviewer already knew the story well and was largely going from a script himself, which I think is this fellow's method of conducting an interview.

The potential for a lot documentation from Norton is high. Time will tell. If it doesn't materialize ...well he would join a long list of folks claiming to have something significant, promising to show it, and falling short of expectations.

 

[Bob Watson]

I once again called my dad (ty for the excuse to do so, I talk to him to few and far between) what I asked was this;
1If you were sworn to secrecy about a UFO enconter would you still tell me the truth?
answer;In my military days I was sworn not to discuss many things BUT Iwill thell you this I am being honest in saying TO THE BEST OF MY MEMORY NO SUCH EVENT happened.
2;Is it possable you had memory of the event erased for you?
Yes is possable ,as its possable to be hit by lightning BUT that still would not erase a crashed chopper or the men who died in it.OR the familys of said victims who would never learn the truth of the matter.
3. I asked you to watch the youtube of the event your thoughts?
NO solder in a training mission would be issued live ammo. if a "flying saucer" intruded on ft benning it would be a simple matter to get FIGHTERS from ft Stewart/Hunter army Air force base.a chopper involved in a traing mission would not be armed with live rounds and if a live round was fired OUTSIDE of a desinated fire zone the IG would be the 1st to hear of it!If a "flying saucer" intuded into ft Benning airspace the 1st thing that would happen is the entire base would be mobleize and there would be NO hiding it.the press would have a feild day I find it hard to beleve that this person says that 1200 were involved and only 2 have come forward with this tale.
4 did a 4 star general visit Ft benning during this time frame?
HE may have we had 4 stars come up and talk to the base commander and swing by for GOLF...
5 your opinion of this matter?
the man is F%^&$@! liar!
im now in prossess of tracking down news paper arcives from that time frame my Dad is sure im sure this is a HOAX!

 

[Kieran]

Umm, yeah. ...Hence my wondering why he hasn't gone and verified CSM James Norton's purported evidence himself, this being the evidence he's been so hip to broadcast as being the paradigm-busting smoking gun. And let me venture a prediction for you. Some yahoo makes the call, and then the drive, shows up with sweaty palms on the doorstep of Norton's homestead. Couple web-based press nerds are there with cameras, ready for quick uploads to YouTube. Norton and yahoo wander into the backyard strapped with metal detectors. Big zig-zaggy searches ensue. Hours pass. Maybe days. But wait a minute, hmm?... Absolutely no UFO space metal to be found? Preposterous! Norton at this point proclaims, "Foul play! The government came and plucked it from the ground!"

Latest story I heard he was looking into his legal position before revealing his evidence.

But makes no difference to me if he has the evidence or not really. I am prepared for the eventual revelation that may come in the future, that we humans are not alone in this world, the frightening thing, is must humans aren't prepared for such a thing, which is worrying.

I think the idea that ET could not exist, and be coming here is idiotic, as we are here alive and kicking on this planet, but the skeptics have a point, if all these ET and UFO's are coming here, why is it only a number of people are experiencing this, well that is most puzzling aspect of the UFO phenomenon to me too.

 

[PararealitySaint]

I think the idea that ET could not exist, and be coming here is idiotic, as we are here alive and kicking on this planet, but the skeptics have a point, if all these ET and UFO's are coming here, why is it only a number of people are experiencing this, well that is most puzzling aspect of the UFO phenomenon to me too.

Good question. Because quite frankly Kieran, I don't believe we should immediately close the books on every example as the same in reasoning. I don't believe in binding them all together and then promoting one theory alone. If you look at the many occurrences throughout the past you can plainly see variances in almost every report. The crafts look and move differently, the lights they use are different, some fly out into space, other disappear. Other than the constant that they are in fact Unidentified Flying Objects, because they cannot be classified with any assurances as to their origination or content, very few reports are close to exactly the same.

 

[trainedobserver]

NO solder in a training mission would be issued live ammo.

The whole business of conducting a live fire training exercise of a new weapons system in the presence of the Secretary of the Army does seem highly doubtful doesn't it? Wouldn't such things be done on a test range in the desert somewhere with him in a bunker rather than in an open field at Ft. Benning?

This guy says he has the goods, let's see what he delivers on.

 

[Kieran]

Good question. Because quite frankly Kieran, I don't believe we should immediately close the books on every example as the same in reasoning. I don't believe in binding them all together and then promoting one theory alone. If you look at the many occurrences throughout the past you can plainly see variances in almost every report. The crafts look and move differently, the lights they use are different, some fly out into space, other disappear. Other than the constant that they are in fact Unidentified Flying Objects, because they cannot be classified with any assurances as to their origination or content, very few reports are close to exactly the same.

I think you misread what I meant, but what you posted does underline my basic point.

​If there is all this going on ok, and I can only speak to what I saw, not what other people have claimed they've witnessed. But if the story we have is correct what is up with the silence going on, only a low number of people out of 6 billion plus have seen something genuine beyond their comprehension, but still it doesn't make sense to me this. If people are seeing all different versions of aliens aboard all different kinds of spaceships, why are all these different aliens acting the same way and keeping the silent rule when visiting us.

To me the only thing that could explain the silence, is there is something preventing the visitors from telling us there here, or we are dealing with an single origin phenomena. Like would humans if we had knowledge and know how hang about the skies of primitive alien world for centuries and not reveal ourselves to all the natives, I doubt it, the fact all visitors coming here allegedly are doing this, is what makes even more stranger for me.

 

[PararealitySaint]

To me the only thing that could explain the silence, is there is something preventing the visitors from telling us there here, or we are dealing with an single origin phenomena. Like would humans if we had knowledge and know how hang about the skies of primitive alien world for centuries and not reveal ourselves to all the natives, I doubt it, the fact all visitors coming here allegedly are doing this, is what makes even more stranger for me.

To keep something as large and as long as this phenomenon from the people is physically impossible. The govt. has enough trouble keeping stealth fighters a secret, let alone Area 54 and every other supposed secret they attempt to keep. Eventually, even covert intelligence is leaked out or talked about on some death bed or another....

My point is that in the situation where you find thousands upon thousands of sightings, supposed abductions, and every other supposedly "E.T." oriented phenomena, not one ever sees the physically evidential light of day. Then there is always the cover up, "but the proof is in the eyewitness....and in the radar....and in the landing zone", or something other than a physical alien finally reporting in....or some body found....or something we can really call "evidence" and use to prove that E.T. exists. We all know that there is something going on, but I am not ready to classify everything as E.T.....or really anything as that at this point.

 

[mike]

To keep something as large and as long as this phenomenon from the people is physically impossible. The govt. has enough trouble keeping stealth fighters a secret, let alone Area 54 and every other supposed secret they attempt to keep. Eventually, even covert intelligence is leaked out or talked about on some death bed or another....

My point is that in the situation where you find thousands upon thousands of sightings, supposed abductions, and every other supposedly "E.T." oriented phenomena, not one ever sees the physically evidential light of day. Then there is always the cover up, "but the proof is in the eyewitness....and in the radar....and in the landing zone", or something other than a physical alien finally reporting in....or some body found....or something we can really call "evidence" and use to prove that E.T. exists. We all know that there is something going on, but I am not ready to classify everything as E.T.....or really anything as that at this point.

Again you make statements of absolute fact like "is physically impossible"
The reality is alleged covert intellegence is leaked out and talked about on some death bed confession.

How many astronauts have said "UFO's are real". the reality is hardly a secret, the nature of the reality is still open for speculation.

http://ufos.about.com/od/governmentconspiracyufos/a/edgarmitchell.htm

The recent bombshell disclosures of Dr. Edgar Mitchell have set the Internet ablaze with articles, blogs, and forum discussion. Finally, a man who is respected highly, and a national hero, has with a somber, straight face told the world without reservation that we have been visited by UFOs, aliens are real, and our government is indeed, covering up this information.

Where is the physical evidence for god or satan ?
The very same standards you insist should apply to the UFO enigma, go out the window when its your belief in question.
The phrase "do as i say, but not as i do" sums up your approach here.

 

[PararealitySaint]

How many astronauts have said "UFO's are real". the reality is hardly a secret, the nature of the reality is still open for speculation.

Hey Mikey, I say that U.F.O's are real. If you took half the time actually reading the entire threads of the subject instead of reacting like some overly rambunctious 10 year old, you would realize we are discussing "E.T." as in extraterrestrial intelligence.

I believe that there might be U.F.O.'s out there....so what. This proves nothing as far as any intelligence is concerned. A Balloon is a U.F.O. until it becomes recognized and classified as such.

Where is the physical evidence for god or satan ?

You know what....You are becoming old with your "where is the proof of God" B.S. This thread (and almost all the others you state the same things on) has already discussed the differences between religious belief, science, faith and evidence....Please find someone else to badger as soon you will just be ignored by people here for lack of anything constructive to state.

The very same standards you insist should apply to the UFO enigma, go out the window when its your belief in question.
The phrase "do as i say, but not as i do" sums up your approach here.

**** Moderators: Angelo and Ron I am sorry if you have to ban me but I cannot help writing this and if you have to do so I will miss it but I understand....

Are you some kind of idiot or something? Do you actually take the time to read what it is you are replying to? I must have stated a thousand times the difference between my faith, science, and the measurement tools utilized for both Extraterrestrial life in the context of a scientific understanding, and those who hold forth the idea as a theory in faith.

Now I am tired of both your little jibes and your stupid little one sided attacks. If you attempt to answer with the same BS in the future you will be ignored....Period. Ignored because you have nothing, never had anything, and just love to cruise the forums looking to spew forth for the sake of wasting people's time.

Lastly, I take back the fact that I actually called you "intelligent." You obviously have nothing but what other people post on atheist internet sites to show for your position on almost every point given in these threads. You show your pretty little charts and your stupid metaphoric quotations to how the Bible got it wrong, but you really have nothing...nothing and this is not conducive to an intelligent person or conversation.

Heck at least Trajanus doesn't flounder around in the "God isn't real" answer every time he must counter something I state. Find something new already....but do it with someone else. I'll just ignore you for now on, dumb ass self quotations and all!

Done.

 

[mike]

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
-Thomas Jefferson


ROFL..........................

once again attacking people and not ideas.

So i question with boldness the existance of god............

no need to pop a vein ​

 

[Hotkafka]

Sure fire cocktail for blown fuses: mixing your God and ETs. I think there's a lesson here.

 

[ward]

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
-Thomas Jefferson

So i question with boldness the existance of god............

​

There was an awesome episode of the original Twilight Zone called "the Obsolete Man" in it the state has declared there is no God
and an obsolete librarian about to be put to death with no more purpose for serving the state with one of the last Bibles in existence reads a passage, just found it here

The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
Psalm 14:1

one of the best stories Rod Serling every did.
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BTW our own "BBridges" here on the forums met John Vasquez in person both he and Budd Hopkins drove down to San Diego i believe to hear his story, I'll let "BBridges" fill you in on the rest.

This James Norton story just keeps getting more and more outrageous. Tonight on the KSS Kevin says that Norton when to Fort Benning today and was detained and threatened by people at the base. Does "allegedly" exist in Kevin's vocabulary? Every single thing Norton has said to Kevin or his "friends" he just seems to be taking at face value. Has it ever occured to Kevin that gosh maybe this guy is putting one over on you?

I have to say I'm extremely disappointed in that host Kevin Smith and his show. I used to listen many, many years ago and just started listening recently, that won't last long. He doesn't seem to vet his sources. He actually believes that he can "monitor" the number of government computers listening to his show and this somehow shows they are monitoring him.

When he has technical problems it's "them" messing with him. Lets see he has Sean David Morton on Monday night and Roger Lier on the next night claiming they have proven his implants are not of this earth. At some point doesn't a person have to use some common sence and say gee I've got to have some discernment with this show?...oh i think i just did

 

[mike]

BTW our own "BBridges" here on the forums met John Vasquez in person both he and Budd Hopkins drove down to San Diego i believe to hear his story, I'll let "BBridges" fill you in on the rest.

Im keen to hear what he has to say

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Its getting smelly by the day regarding this whole story!