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Consciousness and the Paranormal — Part 3

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Agreed all around. I also get frustrated by the inability to quote and paste from PDFs. About a year ago I had a paid-for device that enabled me to transfer PDFs to Word documents for about year. I have to find where to go to resubscribe to that capability. Is that what you working on now? If you find the link to enabling such conversion, please post it. ;)

I haven't tried speed reading methods, not appropriate to all texts and you can always skim ... but I've always wondered if the techniques are useful, found this page:

The Best 6 Free Tools for Speed Reading Anything 2-3x Faster Online | Live Your Legend

I'm trying out SPREEDER now:

Free online speed reading software | Spreeder.com

I doubt you would want to read Hegel or Heidegger this way!

What seems to work for me with Spreeder is that it centers the text and presents it one word at a time, when I read I normally have trouble keeping my eyes on the same line ... I resize my internet secreens so that there arent really long strings of text, I've heard that helps by decreasing the side to side mocements of the eyes - you could use your finger on this of course, but this is easier (Spreeder is easier) - (you can present more than one word at a time too as you get used to it)

anyway, it prevents the eye from skipping back or ahead ... you can only see a word at a time

I just read this 1400 page article at 400wpm

How to Develop Your Visualization Skill - Litemind

essentially skimming it but I felt like I got every word, I am going to slow the rate down and read something more technical now

I got through a
 
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It's the second part ... but stands alone ... first film is Pervert's Guide to Cinema. Let me know what you think. Zizek has some other films out too ... Zizek! notably :) and lots on You Tube, you can pretty much watch Ideology on Youtube, one piece at a time.

Good. I've been meaning to get familiar with his ideas.
 
I haven't tried speed reading methods, not appropriate to all texts and you can always skim ... but I've always wondered if the techniques are useful, found this page:

The Best 6 Free Tools for Speed Reading Anything 2-3x Faster Online | Live Your Legend

I'm trying out SPREEDER now:

Free online speed reading software | Spreeder.com

I doubt you would want to read Hegel or Heidegger this way!

I've never been a speed reader (through habits developed in literary studies), though sometimes when I'm particularly alert and interested in a text, even a scientific one, I find myself zooming through it without missing anything. With all the books one wants to read and cannot read within one lifetime, speedreading is a most desireable talent.
 
I've never been a speed reader (through habits developed in literary studies), though sometimes when I'm particularly alert and interested in a text, even a scientific one, I find myself zooming through it without missing anything. With all the books one wants to read and cannot read within one lifetime, speedreading is a most desireable talent.

This is an interesting tool, I often find myself re-reading a line several times or skipping back ... so this addresses those habits or deficiencies ... plus it could be used to read through something quickly and decide it it's worth reading carefully, since you adjust the rate, it would be interesting to find out what kinds of rates for what kinds of materials are optimal.

I'm reading the Sean Kelly article now ...
 
I haven't tried speed reading methods, not appropriate to all texts and you can always skim ... but I've always wondered if the techniques are useful, found this page:

The Best 6 Free Tools for Speed Reading Anything 2-3x Faster Online | Live Your Legend

I'm trying out SPREEDER now:

Free online speed reading software | Spreeder.com

I doubt you would want to read Hegel or Heidegger this way!

What seems to work for me with Spreeder is that it centers the text and presents it one word at a time, when I read I normally have trouble keeping my eyes on the same line ... I resize my internet secreens so that there arent really long strings of text, I've heard that helps by decreasing the side to side mocements of the eyes - you could use your finger on this of course, but this is easier (Spreeder is easier) - (you can present more than one word at a time too as you get used to it)

anyway, it prevents the eye from skipping back or ahead ... you can only see a word at a time

I just read this 1400 page article at 400wpm

How to Develop Your Visualization Skill - Litemind

essentially skimming it but I felt like I got every word, I am going to slow the rate down and read something more technical now

I got through a
btw Heidegger definitely works speed reading.
Get rid of the inner voice!!
 
Lets assume that organisms with very similar physiologies are subjects of very similar phenomenal fields. When they experience fear, is this fear innately uncomfortable, comfortable, or neither?

Innately to us? Human beings, people, dasein?

One of the things we do is use words like innate and then argue as to what they mean ... so one way to answer this is (and this is the answer you are looking for)

YES normally a baby is born and it appears they experience fear as uncomfortable ... this probably follows, like many biological phenomena, something like a "normal (Gaussian) curve)" (empirical answer)

and the rest of the answer you are looking for is

YES organisms with the same physiologies down to the neural patterns have the SAME experiences ... (materialist, reductive answer)

... another way to answer this is

NO because as people our reactions vary under cicrumstances, previous experiences, learning and our own determinations ... I was speaking to a law enforcement officer and he was talking about how you view fear as your friend, that at the right times it is a comfort to feel the adrenaline kicking in - that doesn't mean you don't have discomfort in there (mind = experience = self, or the body which can also have experiences) somewhere but it's too simple to say fear is uncomfortable in such a situation/confrontation. When I was fighintg, the same stimuli and states of mind were up to me to determine (fear, rage or controlled agression) in part through training, in part through choice (existential, philosophical, complicated answer)

Also, some people can dissociate or go numb or may invert - it appears that some people in the BDSM community are there because of trauma or other experiences that cause them to mix pleasure and pain in an unusual (non-normative) way (psychological answer)
 
get rid of the inner voice is a speed reading tip.

Dear Abbey,

The Spreeder.com program - you copy and paste the text in and it presents it one to a few words at a time, flashing up in the middle of the screen and you select the rate - anyway, it seems to work well, one of the things it says it does is if you move up fast enough, you can't keep up with subvocalizations -

but (aber, pero)

I have read (lesen, leer) that this is nicht so gut because subvocalizations are necessary to comprehension ...

What are your thoughts? Have you tried speed reading programs?

Sign me,

Confused in the Corn belt
 
Good. I've been meaning to get familiar with his ideas.

The segment on "normal" soldiers, obscenity, M*A*S*H and Full Metal Jacket - made a lot of sense, he pointed out that M*A*S*H (the movie, Robert Altman, not the TV series) wasn't an anti-war piece ... because although the doctors were madcap and playing jokes and having affairs with the nurses ... they did their duty ... they functioned perfectly as soldiers. In Full Metal Jacket - the DI (played to perfection by real life DI R. Lee Ermey) - he pictured as basically a regular guy who went home and had a regular life when he left off from training the recruits, which involved a lot of obscenity, cursing and mental/physical "abuse" - because that is part of the system, it's not a reaction to the system, but the crazy stuff soldiers do helps them hold it together - the soldier Private Pyle who goes crazy, breaks down because he literalizes the abuse and identifies with it.

NOTE - some very disturbing scenes from Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket in that sequence - but you will see them coming.
 
Dear Abbey,

The Spreeder.com program - you copy and paste the text in and it presents it one to a few words at a time, flashing up in the middle of the screen and you select the rate - anyway, it seems to work well, one of the things it says it does is if you move up fast enough, you can't keep up with subvocalizations -

but (aber, pero)

I have read (lesen, leer) that this is nicht so gut because subvocalizations are necessary to comprehension ...

What are your thoughts? Have you tried speed reading programs?

Sign me,

Confused in the Corn belt
My brother reads a line at a time and assured me that subvocalisation is bad idea.
Since then, I have been trying to get rid of my inner voice.
Sometimes...often... comprehension can get lost, but it is an unlearning thing. Use spreeder everyday and push the comprehension boundaries
 
Lets assume that organisms with very similar physiologies are subjects of very similar phenomenal fields. When they experience fear, is this fear innately uncomfortable, comfortable, or neither?

You could just say it's not fear if it's not uncomfortable, by definiton, and that gets rid of all my lawyerly counterexamples. So you would need to first define fear:

an unpleasant experience that involves x, y and z ... (according to the scientific dictates of your theory, your available lab equipment and the parameters of the grant for which you are applying)

But more basic ... I think there are problems with the idea of a phenomenal field, although I'm not sure what a PF is exactly ... despite the diagram, what I remember is you said it is real but you aren't sure where it is ... ? And from the question above, what I make is:

Do two similar sets of physiologies having two similar experiences - experience the same thing? Again, if you are a materialist, then it depends on how similar - if you assume everything is encoded in the pattern of neurons, then it seems they would have to ... but in the real world, I would think no two organisms are similar enough at that level (for many reasons) to be very much alike in every situation (and if you bring up twin studies, I'm going to have to bring up something I read very recently that discounts that) ... very small differences could be writ large here - Jack Smith is ophidiphobic, his twin John walks around with a python draped around his neck at all times ... but even then, if Jack and John walked out of a duplicating machine, they would immediately begin to diverge physiologically ... wouldn't they?

In Seeing Things in Merlau Ponty that @Constance posted above, Sean (D) Kelly writes of visiting the set of a Western movie. When he first walks through he thinks "this is just like a real town!" But then as he explores and goes into a bar and sees it's not a bar, it's just a facade and inside is a space with some equipment for a movie shoot ... same with the bank, etc ... then when he goes back outside and sees the exact same thing (he even stipulates thay the light rays on the retina are identical) this time he sees a facade and the town doesn't look real at all - let's have a look in ...

(que flashback music: deedullly deedulllly deeedulllly)

"Imagine visiting an old western movie set. When you first arrive you might be
amazed at how realistic everything looks. As you walk down the street it really seems as
though buildings rise up on either side. The bank really looks like it is a bank; the saloon
really looks like it is a saloon; it really seems as though you’ve stepped into the Old
West. Movie sets are constructed to fool you this way.
But they are movie sets after all, and a little bit of exploration reveals the fact.
Walking through the saloon doors is nothing like walking into a saloon. The anticipation
of a cool sarsaparilla, and even the anticipation of a room with chairs in it and a bar, is
immediately frustrated in the movie set saloon. When you walk through the doors you
see nothing but the supporting apparatus for the saloon façade and perhaps some stage
materials hidden away. The same for what earlier looked to be a bank. It is revealed
instead as a very convincing face supported by some two-by-fours and bags of sand. And
so on for every structure on the street.
If you explore the set enough in this way, then an amazing thing can happen.
Now as you walk down the street it doesn’t look realistic at all. Instead of buildings on
either side, it looks as if there are mere façades. Instead of feeling as if you’re in the Old
West, it feels as if you’re on an old west movie set. And this is not because you can see
through the doors to their empty backsides, or indeed because you “see” anything
different at all (at least in one very limited sense of “to see”).

Let us stipulate, in fact,

that every light ray cast onto your retina is exactly the same as it was when you first

arrived on the set.


Still, your experience of the set can change, a gestalt shift can occur,
so that the whole thing looks like a set full of façades instead of like an old west town.
This is the phenomenon I have in mind.


Three other points are subsidiary to the phenomenology, but worth mentioning anyway. First the thing
I’m looking at need not

be a façade in order for me to experience it as one. When I leave the set, for
instance, and I’m walking down the street of a real town, I can experience its buildings as façades even if
they’re not. Again, with enough exploration – opening the door to the bank and seeing a real bank inside,
for instance – I will come to see these buildings as the real thing. But whether they are real buildings is not
conclusive in determining whether I will experience them to be so.
Second, my knowledge that something
is a façade or a real building is neither necessary nor sufficient for me to experience it as such. I knew the
structures on the movie set were façades when I first walked in, but that didn’t make me experience them as
façades; only exploring them had that effect. So knowing that something is a façade is not sufficient for
experiencing it as one; we can be fooled. Likewise, knowing that something is a façade is not necessary for
experiencing it as one. Indeed, when I walk through the real town after visiting the movie set I might know
-5-
Husserl was the first to identify this phenomenon as a central problem for
philosophical theories of perception. Given that the only information projected onto the
retina is information in (roughly) two dimensions, the fact that there is a difference
between experiencing something as
having only two dimensions (a façade) and

experiencing it as
having three (an object) is a puzzle. In order to do justice to this

phenomenological distinction, Husserl argued, we must admit that the features of
perceptual experience are not limited to those of the sense-data occasioned by the
object’s front.
8 Indeed, Husserl claimed, we need to give some account of the way in

which the
hidden aspects of an experienced object – the backside it is experienced to

have, for instance – are present to me in my experience of it. Without such an account,
we have no resources to distinguish between the case in which the thing looks to be a
façade and the case in which it looks to be an object.
 
My brother reads a line at a time and assured me that subvocalisation is bad idea.
Since then, I have been trying to get rid of my inner voice.
Sometimes...often... comprehension can get lost, but it is an unlearning thing. Use spreeder everyday and push the comprehension boundaries

Silent Readers_Ch2 from History of Reading

To Augustine, however, such reading manners seemed aufficiently strange for him to note them in his Confessions. The implication is that this method of reading, this silent perusing of the page, was in his time something out of the ordinary, and that normal reading was performed out loud.

Even though instances of silent reading can be traced to earlier dates, not until the tenth century does this manner of reading become usual in theWest.
 
I think that this paper is another we should read to clarify the issues Steve is working through with Soupie and also to prepare the way for our integrating constructivism into our discussions, which I think is a necessary next step.

Tom Froese, “From Second-order Cybernetics to Enactive Cognitive Science:
Varela’s Turn From Epistemology to Phenomenology”

Abstract: Varela is well known in the systems sciences for his work on second-order cybernetics, biology of cognition and especially autopoietic theory. His concern during this period was to find an appropriate epistemological foundation for the self-reference inherent in life and mind. In his later years, Varela began to develop the so-called ‘enactive’ approach to cognitive science, which sets itself apart from other sciences by promoting a careful consideration of concrete experiential insights. His final efforts were thus dedicated to finding a pragmatic phenomenological foundation for life and mind. It is argued that Varela’s experiential turn – from epistemology to phenomenology – can be seen as a natural progression that builds on many ideas that were already implicit in second-order cybernetics and biology of cognition. It is also suggested that the rigorous study of conscious experience may enable us to refine our theories and systemic concepts of life, mind and sociality.


http://sacral.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/pdf/froese_systres_2011.pdf


ps: I saw a paper referenced at the Constructivism site asking whether a Third-Order Cybernetics is needed.


This article?

Kenny V. (2009) “There’s Nothing Like the Real Thing”. Revisiting the Need for a Third-Order Cybernetics. Constructivist Foundations 4(2): 100–111
 
A biunist I thought? The body and the (mind=self=experience)
Nope. Still a (substance) monist.

Prior to my introduction to the HP via this discussion, I was essentially a physicalist. Post learning about the HP, although I recognize the reality of the explanatory gap, I do not conceive of subjectivity/consciousness as consisting of a dual substance.

Currently the approach that I have the most affinity for is dual-aspect monism and/or property dualism. There is a difference between the two which pushes me more towards one over the other, but I don't recall it at the moment.

The relationship between subjective and objective is special. I don't fully grasp it. I'm anxious to read Nagel's handling of it. The gap between the two is a conundrum. The problem of other minds is fascinating. And I still wonder whether there isnt a recursive aspect to consciousness. As I've asked, how does experience become aware of itself (or how does information become aware of itself).

I think mind and body are intimately linked, but I'm not sure how and why (of course).
 
Nope. Still a (substance) monist.

Prior to my introduction to the HP via this discussion, I was essentially a physicalist. Post learning about the HP, although I recognize the reality of the explanatory gap, I do not conceive of subjectivity/consciousness as consisting of a dual substance.

Currently the approach that I have the most affinity for is dual-aspect monism and/or property dualism. There is a difference between the two which pushes me more towards one over the other, but I don't recall it at the moment.

The relationship between subjective and objective is special. I don't fully grasp it. I'm anxious to read Nagel's handling of it. The gap between the two is a conundrum. The problem of other minds is fascinating. And I still wonder whether there isnt a recursive aspect to consciousness. As I've asked, how does experience become aware of itself (or how does information become aware of itself).

I think mind and body are intimately linked, but I'm not sure how and why (of course).

I would say be sure and read Nagel's Mind and Cosmos- the View from Nowhere was written in the mid 80s ... so you can see where his thinking was then and then now
 
You could just say it's not fear if it's not uncomfortable, by definiton, and that gets rid of all my lawyerly counterexamples. So you would need to first define fear:

an unpleasant experience that involves x, y and z ... (according to the scientific dictates of your theory, your available lab equipment and the parameters of the grant for which you are applying)

But more basic ... I think there are problems with the idea of a phenomenal field, although I'm not sure what a PF is exactly ... despite the diagram, what I remember is you said it is real but you aren't sure where it is ... ? And from the question above, what I make is:

Do two similar sets of physiologies having two similar experiences - experience the same thing? Again, if you are a materialist, then it depends on how similar - if you assume everything is encoded in the pattern of neurons, then it seems they would have to ... but in the real world, I would think no two organisms are similar enough at that level (for many reasons) to be very much alike in every situation (and if you bring up twin studies, I'm going to have to bring up something I read very recently that discounts that) ... very small differences could be writ large here - Jack Smith is ophidiphobic, his twin John walks around with a python draped around his neck at all times ... but even then, if Jack and John walked out of a duplicating machine, they would immediately begin to diverge physiologically ... wouldn't they?

In Seeing Things in Merlau Ponty that @Constance posted above, Sean (D) Kelly writes of visiting the set of a Western movie. When he first walks through he thinks "this is just like a real town!" But then as he explores and goes into a bar and sees it's not a bar, it's just a facade and inside is a space with some equipment for a movie shoot ... same with the bank, etc ... then when he goes back outside and sees the exact same thing (he even stipulates thay the light rays on the retina are identical) this time he sees a facade and the town doesn't look real at all - let's have a look in ...

(que flashback music: deedullly deedulllly deeedulllly)

"Imagine visiting an old western movie set. When you first arrive you might be
amazed at how realistic everything looks. As you walk down the street it really seems as
though buildings rise up on either side. The bank really looks like it is a bank; the saloon
really looks like it is a saloon; it really seems as though you’ve stepped into the Old
West. Movie sets are constructed to fool you this way.
But they are movie sets after all, and a little bit of exploration reveals the fact.
Walking through the saloon doors is nothing like walking into a saloon. The anticipation
of a cool sarsaparilla, and even the anticipation of a room with chairs in it and a bar, is
immediately frustrated in the movie set saloon. When you walk through the doors you
see nothing but the supporting apparatus for the saloon façade and perhaps some stage
materials hidden away. The same for what earlier looked to be a bank. It is revealed
instead as a very convincing face supported by some two-by-fours and bags of sand. And
so on for every structure on the street.
If you explore the set enough in this way, then an amazing thing can happen.
Now as you walk down the street it doesn’t look realistic at all. Instead of buildings on
either side, it looks as if there are mere façades. Instead of feeling as if you’re in the Old
West, it feels as if you’re on an old west movie set. And this is not because you can see
through the doors to their empty backsides, or indeed because you “see” anything
different at all (at least in one very limited sense of “to see”).

Let us stipulate, in fact,

that every light ray cast onto your retina is exactly the same as it was when you first

arrived on the set.


Still, your experience of the set can change, a gestalt shift can occur,
so that the whole thing looks like a set full of façades instead of like an old west town.
This is the phenomenon I have in mind.


Three other points are subsidiary to the phenomenology, but worth mentioning anyway. First the thing
I’m looking at need not

be a façade in order for me to experience it as one. When I leave the set, for
instance, and I’m walking down the street of a real town, I can experience its buildings as façades even if
they’re not. Again, with enough exploration – opening the door to the bank and seeing a real bank inside,
for instance – I will come to see these buildings as the real thing. But whether they are real buildings is not
conclusive in determining whether I will experience them to be so.
Second, my knowledge that something
is a façade or a real building is neither necessary nor sufficient for me to experience it as such. I knew the
structures on the movie set were façades when I first walked in, but that didn’t make me experience them as
façades; only exploring them had that effect. So knowing that something is a façade is not sufficient for
experiencing it as one; we can be fooled. Likewise, knowing that something is a façade is not necessary for
experiencing it as one. Indeed, when I walk through the real town after visiting the movie set I might know
-5-
Husserl was the first to identify this phenomenon as a central problem for
philosophical theories of perception. Given that the only information projected onto the
retina is information in (roughly) two dimensions, the fact that there is a difference
between experiencing something as
having only two dimensions (a façade) and

experiencing it as
having three (an object) is a puzzle. In order to do justice to this

phenomenological distinction, Husserl argued, we must admit that the features of
perceptual experience are not limited to those of the sense-data occasioned by the
object’s front.
8 Indeed, Husserl claimed, we need to give some account of the way in

which the
hidden aspects of an experienced object – the backside it is experienced to

have, for instance – are present to me in my experience of it. Without such an account,
we have no resources to distinguish between the case in which the thing looks to be a
façade and the case in which it looks to be an object.
The question was about whether the contents of the mind are arbitrary or whether they are directly related to 3rd person processes.

Regarding fear: the question was whether organisms with similar physiology who experience similar phenomenal fields would experience fear as being uncomfortable.

This question begs the question though: why should similar physiologists led to similar phenomenal fields? (You say you have an issue with phenomenal field, so we can just say experience.)

I'm not saying they are having the same experience, I'm asking if they would.

We could say fear = uncomfortable, but then what about pain? We could say pain = uncomfortable.

You ask me to define fear. Defining emotions without referring to 3rd person events is very hard.

Again, the question is, if experiences are epiphenomenal, why shouldn't they be completely arbitrary. And, are they?

Could humans just as easily see the color red as the color blue and vice versa?

What is it about 3rd person processes that make red, red and blue, blue? Or is there absolutely nothing about 3rd person processes that make red, red and blue, blue?

If experiences are epiphenomenal, then having sex may as well be the most painful, dreadful experience ever (and yes, for some creatures is is, including humans).

I hear you that we want to avoid just so stories. Agreed. And if consciousness is epiphenomenal, then most just so stories relying on what it's like are trash.

But if consciousness is not epiphenomenal, then what it's like might have causal influence and experiences wouldn't be arbitrary.

We would pull out finger away from the hot pan because it hurt. We would run away from the bear because we felt fear.

Of course these "causal" explanations to jive with 3rd person accounts. But why do 1st person accounts seem to mirror 3rd person accounts? Even if we say it's just the narrative mind telling a good story after the fact, that doesn't tell us why the narrative mind would needs do this.

That's why I want to know about fear. Why do we seem to feel fear and want to avoid things that from a 3rd person we could say would be bad?

Two babies, same physiology, get separated from their mothers. Both scream and cry until they are united with their mothers.

What did they subjectively experience? Fear, joy, sadness, proudness, etc? We want to say fear but we currently have no paradigm that would allow us to make that claim nor support it, right?
 
Nope. Still a (substance) monist.

Prior to my introduction to the HP via this discussion, I was essentially a physicalist. Post learning about the HP, although I recognize the reality of the explanatory gap, I do not conceive of subjectivity/consciousness as consisting of a dual substance.

Currently the approach that I have the most affinity for is dual-aspect monism and/or property dualism. There is a difference between the two which pushes me more towards one over the other, but I don't recall it at the moment.

The relationship between subjective and objective is special. I don't fully grasp it. I'm anxious to read Nagel's handling of it. The gap between the two is a conundrum. The problem of other minds is fascinating. And I still wonder whether there isnt a recursive aspect to consciousness. As I've asked, how does experience become aware of itself (or how does information become aware of itself).

I think mind and body are intimately linked, but I'm not sure how and why (of course).

Post learning about the HP, although I recognize the reality of the explanatory gap, I do not conceive of subjectivity/consciousness as consisting of a dual substance.

What is a substance anyway? Presumably there is physical "stuff" and then mind "stuff" but if the problem of dualism is how do these stuffs interact? then how do we determine one stuff from another? If we can measure mind stuff, then it's physical, if we can't, then it's not really stuff, is it?

On your view, mind and body are made of the same thing ... and the body is capable of experience ... so what is the distinction you draw between the two? Both are pieces of meat, correct? The gut and heart have complicated neural structures, heart brain and gut brain are being studied, right now, in a lab in Wisconsin by serious looking men wearing white coats ... the gut uses more serotonin than the brain, we feel our hunches in our guts and I have read that people pick up the strong electrical signals of the heart from other people and react accordingly, so consciousness could be distributed throughout the body ... therefore:

one substance makes up body = mind = experience = self ....

there, I've simplified your view another step! ;-) you're welcome

And actually, you're still a physicalist - a physicSalist, even:

Comments on Galen Strawson: 'Realistic Monism: Why Physicalism En...: ingentaconnect

Abstract:
Galen Strawson (2006) thinks it is 'obviously' false that 'the terms of physics can fully capture the nature or essence of experience' (p. 4). He also describes this view as 'crazy' (p. 7). I think that he has been carried away by first impressions. It is certainly true that 'physicSalism', as he dubs this view, is strongly counterintuitive. But at the same time there are compelling arguments in its favour. I think that these arguments are sound and that the contrary intuitions are misbegotten. In the first two sections of my remarks I would like to spend a little time defending physicSalism, or 'straightforward' physicalism, as I shall call it ('S' for 'straightforward', if you like). I realize that the main topic of Strawson's paper is panpsychism rather than his rejection of straightforward physicalism. But the latter is relevant as his arguments for panpsychism depend on his rejection of straightforward physicalism, in ways I shall explain below.

... except now you have this phenomenal space floating around some where ... what is it made of ?

dual aspect monism = one substance with two aspects: mental/physical
property dualism = one substance, physical with two properties: mental and physical

The relationship between subjective and objective is special.

Special, how? I see it all over the place ...

As to recursion, at some point I remember you were a reflexive monist or Velmanite. You've been all over the place!
 
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