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Fukushima's melted cores have moved into the earth
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boomerang
Paranormal Adept
Listening to a report about Fukashima on NPR today. NPR is not exactly given to hyperbole. Quoting from memory, but seem like the immediate goal was to remove high level waste on the order of 500 tons. Is this the spent rods in the damaged cooling pool ? Not sure. But they also hinted that even if they succeed in this first phase, they will still be left with larger and highly radioactive areas that we do not have the technology to handle. That we are capable of making large scale nuclear messes we cannot clean up should be all the evidence needed that fission is a bad idea.
flipper
Paranormal Adept
Scientists Warn of Extreme Risk: Greatest Short-term Threat to Humanity is From Fukushima Fuel Pools
Scientists Warn of Extreme Risk: Greatest Short-term Threat to Humanity is From Fukushima Fuel Pools | Global Research
What You Should Be Doing Now to Protect Yourself from Nuclear Radiation
What You Should Be Doing Now to Protect Yourself from Nuclear Radiation | Global Research
Scientists Warn of Extreme Risk: Greatest Short-term Threat to Humanity is From Fukushima Fuel Pools | Global Research
What You Should Be Doing Now to Protect Yourself from Nuclear Radiation
What You Should Be Doing Now to Protect Yourself from Nuclear Radiation | Global Research
flipper
Paranormal Adept
U.S.A.:
In sworn testimony in Monroe, Michigan, the NRC admitted that it has stripped whistleblower protection from the licensing of new nuclear power plants.
Nuclear Regulatory Commission Strips Whistleblower Protection | Global Research TV
About the nuclear industry in Saskatchewan:
Committee for Future Generations | No Nuclear Waste in Northern Saskatchewan
D’Arcy Hande – Briarpatch Magazine
In sworn testimony in Monroe, Michigan, the NRC admitted that it has stripped whistleblower protection from the licensing of new nuclear power plants.
Nuclear Regulatory Commission Strips Whistleblower Protection | Global Research TV
About the nuclear industry in Saskatchewan:
Committee for Future Generations | No Nuclear Waste in Northern Saskatchewan
D’Arcy Hande – Briarpatch Magazine
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
"Uranium as a very fine dust has been found in Hawaii and on the west coast."
This was back in 2011 ! And now in 2014 it's expected to hit the
coast in the water? Wait a minute. Stuff has been
washing up on shore since 2012. Are we
really expected to believe none
of it was radioactive?
This was back in 2011 ! And now in 2014 it's expected to hit the
coast in the water? Wait a minute. Stuff has been
washing up on shore since 2012. Are we
really expected to believe none
of it was radioactive?
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
At some point in the future, whatever is left of humanity will look back and regard the "Atomic Age" like we do the "Dark Ages" today. It will be viewed as a time when ignorance literally killed entire populations and people suffered unimaginable horrors needlessly.
stonehart
Paranormal Adept
Personally I don't think we are going to make it.
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
I share your despair brother.
ManitobaCanuk
Paranormal Maven
Humans will survive, as with most threats to our species, only the weak and the dumb will be wiped out. The intelligentsia knows the dangers and on average will not eat irradiated food, will move from areas where it is washing up because they know better. It is the brain dead masses who have been dumbed down and made passive and stupid over the generations who are still going to eat seafood. The intellectually strong, the ones who take action, the ones who have the cognitive ability to recognize danger will survive. I wish all you who read this realize that being passive in regards to your survival will only get you dead. Life in all forms is precious and has intrinsic value. Save yourself and take action to protect yourself. Throw your TV away and start really living. Life does not spring by being a watcher, it comes from being a liver. Peace and good luck.
stonehart
Paranormal Adept
Let me see.... I grow most of my own food, got rid of my TV many many years ago, don't eat fish in any form now and am well setup for an SHTF situation.
However when it comes to Fukushima you can not really escape it in the long run, eventually no matter where you are there will be effects on the environment around you.
To poison the Pacific is to poison every thing in the end, take the forests of the Canadian west, without the salmon run each year these forests will begin do decline as they are dependent on this seasonal cycle.. not to mention many of the animals need this seasonal food source... the salmon stocks are crashing along with most other marine species.
Had one person say well just eat farmed salmon as a source of fish... well here is the problem with farmed fish.... what do you think they are feed? pellets, and well what are the pallets made of?
This can depend but in most cases it is ground dried fish meal left over from fish production.. in short it is the leftover heads etc that are turned into food. Remember you are what you eat.
So you see even the fresh water farmed fish has a connection to the ocean.
I could go on and on but you guys already know all this.....
Yes the smart or prepared people will maybe survive this but the real problem is how many of the right minded people will make it and what is going to be left in the end?
Kill the ocean and you kill us no matter where you are.
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
This is the essence - the 'right-minded people'. And what exactly will be left?
A very wise teacher once said: 'Read the signs of your times.'
Had one been alive in the late 1800's, a savvy eye could have detected what the future would hold. The signs were there - only the comprehensive imagination was lacking for the majority, but the artists were sussing it out - like Jules Verne and the great seminal writers like Olaf Stapledon with his 'Last and First Men' and 'Star-Maker' and 'Odd John'.
Now, what are the signs? How will it all play out - while the band plays on? Clearly the vision of Jules Verne was bound with Victorian quaintness in the details - but the vision was prescient.
You know what I think? I think the world of Harry Potter is a curious 'sign of the times'. I think there are other ways of looking at the world, 'divining' the world, that will come to the fore as materialistic science crashes and burns in its one-sided and dangerously blind alley. Such a catastrophe as we face will require a 'new way of thinking' - and the world will adapt. New forms will emerge - humans among them.
I am reminded of a curious 'prophesy' - not really that but a 'suggestion' made by some one a short time back - that human beings are currently undergoing an adaptation to increased radiation (as via radiation therapy for cancer). The idea being - if I am not hashing it - that the strong doses of radiation - and those that survive it - are creating new kinds of bodies adapted to radiation. Cancer radiation therapy is one example of that. (Not that I am suggesting such therapy - only that it is an example of humanity's need to adapt to stronger doses of radiation). Some will adapt - some will not. This may be our equivalent of the Bubonic Plague in the Middle Ages.
What we forget is how persistent and resilient life really is. The world as we know it may be on the brink of undergoing a massive change - but as we sit on the side of the great destruction - there will be the other side of that destruction - the equivalent of the Renaissance. However long it takes - and it may take far longer than one lifetime - as it did back in the times of the plague when the whole of life seemed to be dissolving for those in the midst of the catastrophe. But somehow, life will go on - and I have a hunch how it will survive. It's the stuff of a novel.
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
The problem isn't with science, it's with the application of science, and that is in the realm of politics and business. So what makes you think that politics and business won't corrupt these "other ways" of looking at the world too. How many 900 numbers offer only too happily to take your credit card number so that some telephone "diviner" in a cubicle can give you some "reading"? Given the choice between a corrupt diviner or a corrupt scientist, at least we can tell which one is actually corrupt. All a diviner has to do is claim he was misled by the spirit gods or that there just wasn't enough mystical energy or whatever other unprovable nonsense he or she wants. On the other hand, the scientist can be made accountable for breaches of protocol and faulty work because there are standards based on gained through the examination of empirical evidence.
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
First and foremost it is in the realm of morals and ethics - that then plays out in politics and business. However, science being linked to politics and business is very much a recent and capitalist phenomenon.
You are speaking of human nature, observed for it's duality since forever. As Martin Luther remarked: "For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel." The good/bad will be present in every human endeavor - it is the way of it. Nothing is exempt - the realization that such is so, is part of growing up, part of maturation.
However, that is not my point. I already see the split. The two worlds diverging. An alternate world exists all around you but you cannot see it - or seeing it's effects, you rail against it. Research and real knowledge informs a very different view of the world - that stimulates a very different mode of orientation and interaction with the world. "The placebo effect is scientific proof that we have the ability to heal ourselves. Our thoughts are powerful enough to bring things into existence." When will we [you] begin to absorb this? It doesn't matter to me when you do or you don't recognize the limitations of your materialistic world view. The world goes on. The proof is there for those willing to do the inner discipline to begin the journey - and that is part of the mystery of it: the open-sesame to this world is not anything you can buy - it is not a commodity to barter and trade. It only comes through the inner work - the gold of the alchemists.
You think that this economic shell game is what I am referring to? Your knowledge of these things appears very limited - relegated to the sensational and gaudy, the fanciful extrapolations of this other way. This is no where near what I am referring to - but as the saying goes: 'There are none so blind as those who will not see.' There's just not time to go round that mulberry bush yet again. You think what you think and you don't budge for love nor money. I''m not here to convince you of anything, Ufology. That must be clear by now.
I wouldn't say so. Nope. Human nature being what it is, both specimens (no matter what is peddled) deceive. In fact, it's the physical scientist who more likely deceives because his medium of exploration is so inexact. As Barnum so succinctly phrased it (tonight is the night for pithy aphorisms): "Contrary to popular belief, Barnum's great discovery was not how easy it is to deceive the public, but rather, how much the public enjoys being deceived."
Your grasp of the subject is abysmal - I have to say it. You say the most nonsensical things about this whole area. Your head is filled with nonsense. You need to read a bit more seriously on the subject - not popularizations of all the ideas but serious treatises, and really grapple with what you read - as well as start on a path of inner discipline and development if you ever hope to get a serious grasp on the subject - it's clear what I have said has not been helpful in dissuading you from your hard-held pre-conceptions in the matter. The world of the seer [let's call it that in this context] has nothing to do with an external authority - rather it is a shared perception. It is recognition. If you approach this realm as a materialist then you will need exterior authorities, 'proofs' and credentials. The materialist inhabits a world of hierarchy: of those who 'know' and those who do not.
Yes, there is a hierarchy - there are 'rules and laws' - or those are the assumptions - and in that way it is very comforting. There is something solid 'out there' - something one can depend on - an external authority that one can uncover if only one is rigorous enough. This is the curious contradiction of the atheistic materialist.
Your sentence above - for me - equates with a held belief. This is how you see the world. I do not aspire to dissuade you of your held beliefs. I believe I understand them - I have read them often enough here on this chat site. You are free to continue on with your line of thinking. I think that's fair.
To press on with what I brought up in the previous post - about 'reading the signs of the times' - here is something I just came across today -
LINK: The Predictions of Aldous Huxley on the 50th Anniversary of His Death
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Randall
J. Randall Murphy
Good article. Thanks for that.
Bring what "things" into what "existence"? I can certainly visualize a stack of $100 bills, and there is no doubt that they exist in my subjective visual experience, but to bring them into material reality requires something called a printing press. Or are you saying you can just manifest them out of thin air somehow? If so, I'm sure there must be a lot of people doing psychic counterfeiting. Of course why do that when you can just get a 900 number? Oh but of course you think I'm being nonsensical when I mention 900 number psychics? How many of them are legitimate in your opinion? More than scientists do you think? That's the impression I'm getting. Surely you don't think that the percentage of working psychics are doing more actual psychic whatever than the percentage of working scientists who are doing actual scientific work? Really? You honestly believe that?
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