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Global Warming Happy Fun-Time

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"If the pictures of those towering wildfires in Colorado haven't convinced you, or the size of your AC bill this summer, here are some hard numbers about climate change: June broke or tied 3,215 high-temperature records across the United States. That followed the warmest May on record for the Northern Hemisphere – the 327th consecutive month in which the temperature of the entire globe exceeded the 20th-century average, the odds of which occurring by simple chance were 3.7 x 10-99, a number considerably larger than the number of stars in the universe.
Meteorologists reported that this spring was the warmest ever recorded for our nation – in fact, it crushed the old record by so much that it represented the "largest temperature departure from average of any season on record." The same week, Saudi authorities reported that it had rained in Mecca despite a temperature of 109 degrees, the hottest downpour in the planet's history."


Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719#ixzz21IMktO23
 
"If the pictures of those towering wildfires in Colorado haven't convinced you, or the size of your AC bill this summer, here are some hard numbers about climate change: June broke or tied 3,215 high-temperature records across the United States. That followed the warmest May on record for the Northern Hemisphere – the 327th consecutive month in which the temperature of the entire globe exceeded the 20th-century average, the odds of which occurring by simple chance were 3.7 x 10-99, a number considerably larger than the number of stars in the universe.
Meteorologists reported that this spring was the warmest ever recorded for our nation – in fact, it crushed the old record by so much that it represented the "largest temperature departure from average of any season on record." The same week, Saudi authorities reported that it had rained in Mecca despite a temperature of 109 degrees, the hottest downpour in the planet's history."


Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719#ixzz21IMktO23
and what does this mean to you? weather is not climate. now if this continued for 30-50 years we would have a warmer climate. right now it is warmer weather.
 
NASA: Geenland Completely De-Icing
NASA: NASA - Satellites See Unprecedented Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Melt

I don't give a pickeled rats ass anymore whether humans are to blame or not.

The Earth is starting to cook.

What do we as a species do to save the planet from catastrophic global weather change?????

unfortunately, whatever actions man would take probably isn't going to be used until the arctic fully opens up. what we need is another 1815 Tambora, well not really need i suppose, but even another mount pinatubo would suffice. at any rate the resulting cool down would make any of man's attempts to mitigate the changes currently going on now look pathetic by comparison.

geo-engineering enthusists, take note. here's one way we could go about it...

a virtual Mega-fracking job

i wonder what the pay will be like :)

Possible trigger for volcanic 'super-eruptions' discovered
 
unfortunately, whatever actions man would take probably isn't going to be used until the arctic fully opens up. what we need is another 1815 Tambora, well not really need i suppose, but even another mount pinatubo would suffice. at any rate the resulting cool down would make any of man's attempts to mitigate the changes currently going on now look pathetic by comparison.

geo-engineering enthusists, take note. here's one way we could go about it...

a virtual Mega-fracking job

i wonder what the pay will be like :)

Possible trigger for volcanic 'super-eruptions' discovered

Hmmm....droppimg a nuke into a magma chamber of a big volcano somewhere? It might work....maybe.
I guess that would work, but where in the world could that take place without displacing whole populations? And localized damage could last for decades.
 
NASA: Geenland Completely De-Icing
NASA: NASA - Satellites See Unprecedented Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Melt

I don't give a pickeled rats ass anymore whether humans are to blame or not.

The Earth is starting to cook.

What do we as a species do to save the planet from catastrophic global weather change?????
this happens every 150 years... move along nothing to see here.
'Unprecedented' Greenland Surface Melt - Every 150 Years? - NYTimes.com

Greenland gains ice pretty fast too. check this out.
World War II Planes Found in Greenland In Ice 260 Feet Deep - New York Times
 
Yes, yes, yes. Human beings have such a wonderful track record of predicting outcomes of natural events and cycles and we do such wonderful jobs of managing long range and highly dangerous projects. Sure. Let's try to muck with the natural cycles of the planet, presuming that we know enough about what the hell is going on to know what should be happening in the first place.
 
Mind You, I wasn't advocating such things but that is probably what it's going to come down to. regardless of the dynamics of the warming up we are going through, there are people who will benefit as well as suffer. We've already geoengineerd to a certain extent, where God or nature didn't see fit to put a lake, a canal, or arable land we did provided it was to the benefit of certain people, to hell with those that may be inconvenienced. I smell the same thing here, the needs of the few outweighing the needs of the many otherwise we may have had a better handle on things. IF I were one of those fringy conspiritorialists ;) (is that even a word?) I would put out there that maybe the climate change/global warming debate is just meant to distract us, to make us think we actually have a say in this matter. If I were one that is.
 
Yes, yes, yes. Human beings have such a wonderful track record of predicting outcomes of natural events and cycles and we do such wonderful jobs of managing long range and highly dangerous projects. Sure. Let's try to muck with the natural cycles of the planet, presuming that we know enough about what the hell is going on to know what should be happening in the first place.

So Trained, you don't like the idea of using nukes to set off a super-volcano? What? you don't like playing with nukes?
What's the worst that can happen? New ice age? Tilting the worlds axis? Setting off volcanoes around the world? Proving Pixel wrong?

Yeah so it's not the worlds best idea. I think more or less I was trying to tweak Pixels ear because he gets so wound up about this stuff.

On a serious note, I still think the worlds average temp is on the increase, and all arguments and politico aside, mankind is going to be in for some rough events in the next few decades.
 
I am not an expert and don't claim to have made an exhaustive study of the subject, but I think we don't have that much of a handle on what has happened in the past, what is actually happening now, or what is likely to happen in the future concerning climate change. We attempt to dink with anything other than trying to reduce our impact on the environment and we are liable to shoot our own foot off. I think we've already shot one foot and are taking aim on the other.
 
On a serious note, I still think the worlds average temp is on the increase, and all arguments and politico aside, mankind is going to be in for some rough events in the next few decades.

I think the real effort should be coping with it rather than assuming we are going to actually be able to reverse the course of systems so complex and colossal in scope we cannot even effectively model their behavior, much less hope to influence them to our advantage.
 
Well Put, t.o. has anybody ever looked at possible consequences of going green (outside financial factors) I remember the "tortilla riots" of a few years ago and other food related issues. It would seem reasonable to assume that no matter what actions man did there has to be some environmental impact (mining, population displacement, land use changes etc.) for raw materials and such to gather, grow or harnass any alternative fuels and or energy because of the number of humans on the planet. We could start a whole new paradigm, pat ourselves on the back for a job well done and then get blindsided by a new problem and then there will be those that will take issue with the way that problem gets handled.

Our main problem is not so much global warming happy fun time it's population over abundance happy fun time. Made mad gw, regardless of the extent that's involved, is a symptom of a bigger problem that has other symptoms that will come to light in higher proportions in time.
 
man should embrace any amount of warming while we can. one benefit to alternating periods of ice ages and warm ages is that it stimulates evolution of all life forms. we would not be here if not for climate change.
 
I hung out with some of my Canadian friends at the Fargo Blues Festival this weekend. What a blast. Got a little sun burn tho... that big bright hot thing in the sky seems to have something to do with the hot weather... hmm..
 
I hung out with some of my Canadian friends at the Fargo Blues Festival this weekend. What a blast. Got a little sun burn tho... that big bright hot thing in the sky seems to have something to do with the hot weather... hmm..

Hmmmm....hmmmm.....nope:

Who’s to Blame for Global Warming? Not the Sun

  • Published: June 22nd, 2011

Humans seem to have an innate fascination with the sunspot cycle. Sunspots were known to ancient civilizations, which observed and counted them when the sun was low in the sky. After the invention of the telescope, several astronomers started regularly observing and recording the number of visible sunspots. (Warming: don’t try this at home! Looking directly at the sun, especially through a telescope, can cause blindness.) By piecing together records from various observers, we think we have good estimates of sunspot numbers dating back to 1610.
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Image credit: NASA.
In the 19th century it was realized that the number of sunspots tends to increase and decrease with a cycle of about 11 years. Gradually, observers also noticed that these “11-year” cycles are not all the same. Some last a little longer, and some a little shorter. And some have more sunspots at their peak than others. In fact, during the late 1600s, there was a period of about 50 years when sunspots were exceedingly rare. (We’re quite sure that this was a genuine lack of sunspots, rather than a lack of observations, which would be less interesting.) Why did this happen? It’s still “a subject of active research,” which is science-speak for “we’re still working on it.”
And what do these mysterious happenings 93,000,000 miles away mean for life on Earth, in particular for our climate?
Probably not much (sorry if that is disappointing). To say that the sun has a strong influence on climate is like saying that Shakespeare has a big influence on English literature. It’s what drives everything. But the sun’s energy output is remarkably constant. So while the sun has a huge influence on our climate in general, it is much less important in driving climate change. Over the past 30 years or so, that output has been measured using satellite-based instruments, which are much more accurate than ground-based ones because they’re located above clouds, pollution, and other obscurations.
Satellite measurements show very small variations in solar energy output over time, coinciding with fluctuations in sunspot numbers. (But more sunspots actually mean more solar energy, not less.) The size of these recent variations is very small: about 0.1 percent of the total solar energy output.
Despite what you may have read, these small, cyclical variations in solar energy output are not responsible for the global warming trend over the past 50 years: greenhouse gases are almost certainly the main cause for this.
The global temperature response to the small variations in solar energy output is barely detectable, partly because the solar variations themselves are small, and partly because the climate system does not have time to fully respond to these up and down variations in the sun: by the time the ocean “gets the memo” that it’s supposed to cool off, for example, the sun is already getting brighter again.
Recently it has been suggested that the sun may be headed into an extended period with few sunspots, like what occurred during late 1600s. That time period coincided with what is now referred to as the “Maunder Minimum,” a period when parts of the world — especially Northern Europe — were colder than they are today. What would a new Maunder Minimum mean for our warming climate? Again, probably not much.
Of course we don’t know for sure how much dimmer the sun was in the late 1600s (when there were very few sunspots, but no satellites around to measure solar energy output), but estimates are that it was enough to cool global temperatures by about 0.3°C or 0.4°C. That’s certainly measurable, but it’s not much compared to increases projected for this century. Those range from about 2°C to 6°C, depending on assumptions about future rates of fossil fuel use and scientific uncertainties.
So in fact any solar dimming would be literally “in the noise” of projected future climate changes — that is, smaller than the differences among the various projections — and certainly not enough to nullify them. Furthermore, of course, such reductions in the rate or extent of warming would be temporary, and when the solar energy output picked up again, the warming would be all the more rapid.
So the bottom line is that sunspots and solar variations aren’t causing 21st century climate change, and won’t rescue us from it, either.
 
google and copy paste that bullshit all you want... the bottom line is that the sun warms the planet.
 
and TRY to learn the difference between climate and weather.... please? i know it is hard for you to learn things... but give it a shot.
 
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