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Good article on did Jesus exsist?

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Um Kim I live in New Zealand and needed to sleep and I also spend a large amount of my life on the road working so if I do not always answer it can be a time thing.. such as I just do not have it to give you.
Anyway I have two full concerts to mix today so I will get back to my talk on Buddhism and how it changed and influenced other religions over time as and when I get the time over the next few days.

See you soon
 
Stonehart, you seemed to mysteriously and quickly disappear on that one. Furthermore, and please, folks, NOTE THIS: Stonehart and Mike, as I've noted from after my first few posts in this thread, are interested only in ridicule of religion. They do not read the suggestions I note. They do not read Bart Ehrman's article. Their posts are cut and paste fast and furious, tumbling one after the other, after EACH OTHER, competing even between them for how breathlessly fast they can cut and paste and ridicule and above all, stay OFF the topic. No honest discussion is wanted, and in fact, no honest discussion is allowed by them, as they by their own words feel it is their duty to ridicule religion. Others in the thread have noted the avoidance (to put it euphemistically) on their parts to have an honest conversation. Now, Stonehart, let's see here: you claim an education at the college level, you go on and on about things all over the map, avoid the topic, but, and this I want to point out and it took me just a few seconds to get suspicious, and then only a minute to confirm THIS FACT ALONE, and I will stick to one: the above essay you write above MORE THAN IMPLIES that it is ALL your own words and writing. New paragraph now, below, in all capitals:

HOWEVER, I SEE THIS: YOU WRITE: "Now as I said before Buddhism rejects this idea as THE BUDDHA PROCLAIMED THAT HE COULD FIND NO EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF EITHER THE PERSONAL SOUL/SELF (ATMAN) OR ITS COSMIC COUNTERPART" Read on:

However, Stonehart, I see that DAMIEN KEOWN has written: "THE BUDDHA SAID HE COULD FIND NO EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF EITHER THE PERSONAL SOUL (ATMAN) OR ITS COSMIC COUNTERPART" You do not contain what you evidently claim as your own words in quotes and attribute it as you should to the person who ACTUALLY WROTE IT. You seem to change said to proclaimed, but anyone can see that SOMETHING PERHAPS IS FISHY HERE, Stonehart. I read all "you" wrote, as I've read and listened to and watched everything you and Mike have cut and pasted and what little you've actually written. I THINK WE DESERVE AN EXPLANATION FOR THIS, AND I STATE NOTHING EXPLICIT AND MAKE NO DIRECT ACCUSATION, JUST WONDER WHY YOU DID NOT ATTRIBUTE WHAT YOU TYPED TO ITS CORRECT SOURCE. PERHAPS KEOWN IS QUOTING YOU!!!! PLEASE EXPLAIN, STONEHART.


Oh I do know he stated that as I have his book so no surprise that that could happen "David Webster, The Philosophy of Desire in the Buddhist Pali Canon."
I have an early copy and it has pencil note all the way through it like many of my books on this subject.
Anyway it will teach me to just cut and paste from my computer notes as yes things can be missed.
I missed some citation as I was typing so what .. its a forum not an academic work you ass so be very careful what you are accusing me of as I know full well what plagiarism is and you know very well what you are saying so don't play the fool with me.

shit buddy I was working with Sanskrit in an open text which I do not do very often now days... you try it.

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Note that I also placed this on the forum very late at night so hey shit happens .. I am not bothered and you are clutching at straws now trying to discredit and resorting to personal attack

But please feel free to add it into the text for me .. there is a good boy.

So to Clarify IN MY OWN WORDS!!!

The Buddha among many things had direct argument and indeed discourse with the main tenants of the Brahmanic system.
The Not self Doctrine or No self is a core Idea that comes into play very early on in the Buddhist tradition and it is in essence a reaction to the personal self as part of the cosmic persona the stated atman = Brahman. The Buddha saw no personal self so how could he then equate the idea that such was also part of an over personality if you will.
So as such you see the basic point to the argument.

And Kim have you got a problem with me me being well read and educated?

Personally I do not give a rats fucking arse what you think of me or say ok,

I am not interested in only the ridicule of religion I in fact find it interesting how it grows in what can be described in an organic way and that was what I was trying to do in that post. I really do not care if your personal Jesus existed or not to be blunt.

I will post the rest of what I was working on for those that want to hear it but Kim this is not about you it is about how things change over time so back off and try and be silent for a little bit ok.
 
Actually Mike if you would like me to simply pass you on the rest just PM me as I can not be bothered with this thread anymore.. I should dig out and scan some of my work in this area as well.
Time in my enemy.. work eats up my life.
 
Actually Mike if you would like me to simply pass you on the rest just PM me as I can not be bothered with this thread anymore.. I should dig out and scan some of my work in this area as well.
Time in my enemy.. work eats up my life.

Thats OK Mate, your preachin to the choir here anyway, Time is as you say valuable.
 
Kim youve accused me of dodging, and now Stonehart of ducking out, yet you did precisely that yesterday, when i asked you a simple question.
You dodged the question, and logged off, coming back a day later and in a classic case of transferance tried to pin the same behaviour on everyone else.

here is another example of how the modern christian has been spoon fed a cherry picked lie

take this picture into the street of any western nation, England ,US Australia New Zealand.

And ask people "who is this"

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I predict a 100 percent hit rate of "jesus"

But take this picture

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And I predict the reverse, with perhaps a small margin of well read people recognising the image

From the first time Christian children settle into Sunday school classrooms, an image of Jesus Christ is etched into their minds. In North America he is most often depicted as being taller than his disciples, lean, with long, flowing, light brown hair, fair skin and light-colored eyes. Familiar though this image may be, it is inherently flawed. A person with these features and physical bearing would have looked very different from everyone else in the region where Jesus lived and ministered. Surely the authors of the Bible would have mentioned so stark a contrast. On the contrary, according to the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was because they could not tell him apart from his disciples.
 
Sorry for the split post, i cant edit the one above

Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was because they could not tell him apart from his disciples

The "Truth" is the tall blond haired blue eyed jesus is a fiction, added by White folks to make him appealing to the target audience.

A person with these features and physical bearing would have looked very different from everyone else in the region where Jesus lived and ministered. Surely the authors of the Bible would have mentioned so stark a contrast.

You've been conned, youve been shown images that best "sell" the product, quoted passages that best "sell" the myth.

The Truth for those who bother to seek it, is obvious

Now the apoligists will try and spin it by saying well half his DNA was gods since he was his son, thats why he looks white instead of arabic/jewish. and indeed if we look at the sistene chapel god is a white man........lol

But the fact remains no one in the gospels mentions he looks different, and the roman soldiers could not tell him apart from his disciples.

Its little inconsistancies like this that show beyond a doubt, we are dealing with a fictional character, thats the explanation that makes sense, that reconciles the facts
 
So to recap, Lets ask the question again

Jesus ? Fact or fairy tale.

Lets look at the larger context in which the jesus story rests

god makes the universe and earth populating it with all the animals birds fish and insects in 6 days..... resting on the seventh since like man, god needs a rest after some hard yakka

Fact ? or fairy tale ?

He makes Adam and lilith from clay, breathing life into the first man and woman
Fact or fairy tale ?

Adam bitches about lilith (bloody red heads) so god creates a second wife eve from adams rib (note most people dont know eve was the second wife, cherry picked spoon fed version is eve was first)
Fact or fairy tale ?

Noah builds a boat big enough to take all the millions of species of animals birds and insects

Some Rough Estimates of Species Numbers

The estimated number of animals on our planet falls somewhere in the vast range of 3-30 million species (Erwin 1983, Wolosz 1988).

Though scientists will tell you we havent identified them all yet, but lets say 30 million X 2
60 million critters on the one boat.

Then noah drops off the african animals in africa the marsupials in australia, south american species in..... oh you get the idea
And then from noah and his family we get the australian aboriginals, the africans the asians..... in just a few thousands years...... (australian aboriginal has been here for 40 thousand.......)

Noah ?
Fact or fairy tale

Jonah, alive inside the belly of a whale

fact or fiction ?

starting to see a pattern ?

Then we have jesus, born of a virgin, can make the blind see again, brings the dead to life, turns water to wine, and hands out tuna fish sandwhiches to thousands using a few loaves and a few fishes....
Dies and comes back to life after 3 days.....

Fact ? or another in a long line of absurd fairy tales ?

Parts of the Bible were written by people who lied about their identity, an author has claimed.

Bart D Ehrman claims many books of the New Testament were forged by people pretending to be the apostles Peter, Paul or James.

Writing in the Huffington Post, Professor Ehrman, best selling author of 'Misquoting Jesus' and 'Jesus, Interrupted', said religious scholars were well aware of the 'lies' of the Bible

Bart D Ehrman: Parts of Bible's New Testament written by 'pretend apostles' | Mail Online

Including according to Bart 1 Timothy

Assumed identity: Professor Ehrman claims someone posing as St Peter, right, wrote 2 Peter, and another posing as St Paul, left, wrote six of his 13 letters

'In the ancient world, books like that were labelled as pseudoi - lies,' he writes.

Professor Ehrman also claims the author of the book of 1 Timothy claimed to be Paul but in actual fact was someone living after Paul had died.

The author then used the apostle's name to address a problem he saw in church, according to Professor Ehrman.

'Women were speaking out, exercising authority and teaching men. That had to stop,' he writes.
Professor Erhman claims whoever wrote 1 Timothy was trying to put women in their place by citing the garden of Eden as an example of what can happen when women are in charge

'The author told women to be silent and submissive, and reminded his readers about what happened the first time a woman was allowed to exercise authority over a man, in that little incident in the garden of Eden.

'No, the author argued, if women wanted to be saved, they were to have babies (1 Tim. 2:11-15).'

Paul is known as one of history's great misogynists, largely based on this passage from the Bible.

But Professor Ehrman argues this label is not necessarily justified because he wasn't the one to write it.

'And why does it matter? Because the passage is still used by church leaders today to oppress and silence women,' writes Professor Ehrman.

'Why are there no women priests in the Catholic Church? Why are women not allowed to preach in conservative evangelical churches? Why are there churches today that do not allow women even to speak?

'In no small measure it is because Paul allegedly taught that women had to be silent, submissive and pregnant.

'Except that the person who taught this was not Paul, but someone lying about his identity so that his readers would think he was Paul.'

Professor Ehrman then goes on to write how the Bible is actually filled with the need for 'truth' but many of its writers were telling a lie.

I contend that no one with a properly rational mind, looking at all this evidence could not help but conclude its a collection of fairy tales.
It would be akin to insisting hansel and gretel were real children and the gingerbread house a real place where the events in the fable took place
 
The Bible is the inerrant ... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible,without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc.-- Jerry Falwell

If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth ...
-- Jerry Falwell


hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!-- Rev Jerry Falwell, America Can Be Saved,

And you wonder why i am so outspoken on this matter ?
 
The Bible provides a complete genealogy from Adam to Jesus. You can go through the genealogies and add up the years. You'll get a total that is just over 4,000 years. Add the 2,000 years since the time of Jesus and you get just over 6,000 years since God created everything.
Is there anything wrong with figuring out the age of the earth this way? No. There is nothing to indicate the genealogies are incomplete. There is nothing to indicate God left anything out. There is nothing in the Bible that indicates in any way that the world is much older than 6,000 years old.
The Bible does tell us, however, that the fossils we find could not have been buried before God created Adam. The animals whose bones became fossilized had to have died after God created Adam. That means those fossils must be less than 6,000 yers old. Here's why:

How do we get fossils?
The animal has to first die. That's rather obvious. When did death enter the world? Not until Genesis chapter three when Adam and Eve disobey God. So up until that time neither people nor animals died. So, based on the Bible, there could not be any bones to create fossils until after the fall.
Here's another Biblical reason why the fossils we find could not have been buried before God created Adam:
When we examine fossils, in some of them we see evidence of sickness, disease and cancer. There is evidence of violence and of one animal eating another. So there were some problems. Not everything was good.
Yet, at the end of day six of creation: "God saw all that He made and behold. It was very good." (Genesis 1:31 NASB)
God didn't call His creation just good. He called it very good. A world with sickness, disease, cancer and violence is not good. So, the fossilized bones we now find had to have come from animals that died after God created Adam, and after the fall
The Earth Is 6000 Years Old

In Genesis 6:19–20, the Bible says that two of every sort of land vertebrate (seven of the “clean” animals) were brought by God to the Ark. Therefore, dinosaurs (land vertebrates) were represented on the Ark.
How Did Those Huge Dinosaurs Fit on the Ark?

Although there are about 668 names of dinosaurs, there are perhaps only 55 different “kinds” of dinosaurs. Furthermore, not all dinosaurs were huge like the brachiosaurus, and even those dinosaurs on the Ark were probably “teenagers” or young adults.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2000/04/03/dinosaurs-on-noahs-ark

hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!-- Rev Jerry Falwell, America Can Be Saved,

The most ominous thing is that there appear to be some people attached to the group who believe that to save the US from what they perceive as a Satanic threat, the US should be placed under a near-martial law situation with the nation ruled by an iron-fist that adheres to Old Testament style teachings and beliefs.



How did they think they could fight these demons?
Their belief is that deep belief in, and acceptance of, the Christian God can literally keep the demons at bay. This is why some of the group have contemplated what should be unthinkable: forcefully changing the entire U.S. mindset to that of an Old Testament nature,
Not on my watch.......................​
 
People who believe this shit, will believe anything, including being born of a virgin, walking on water, turning water to wine, making the blind see, raising the dead, feeding thousands with a couple of loaves, and coming back to life after being dead three days.

Hilarious
 
People who believe this shit, will believe anything, including being born of a virgin, walking on water, turning water to wine, making the blind see, raising the dead, feeding thousands with a couple of loaves, and coming back to life after being dead three days.

Hilarious

Hilarious I agree up to the point that kids die because their parents believe it is up to God to make them well not doctors and many other examples like this such as these bozos Westboro Baptist Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Hilarious I agree up to the point that kids die because their parents believe it is up to God to make them well not doctors and many other examples like this such as these bozos Westboro Baptist Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I actually wanted to post this at the end

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Because its as funny as it is sad

On the one hand Falwells assertion that
The Bible is the inerrant ... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible,without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc

is also sad when we consider people like him want to

live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them

And teaching the world is only 6000 years old, and noahs ark had dinosaurs on it
 
England has given us a rich religious heritage, we Americans, Canadians, Australians, and New Zealanders. Mike you pasted something some days ago about William Tyndale, a very important player in the English Reformation, but it was clear to me that except for the paste job you knew nothing of him. Because you are English, which conclusion I came to from your use of rubbish and arse, and had the latter thrown back at you by another member, I will repeat my suggestion that you read Diarmaid MacCulloch's Christianity, the First Three Thousand Years. He is Professor of the History of the Church at Oxford University. You will learn a lot about your own country's history, because Christianity figured very large in it. I'm very surprised you don't read what your own countrymen write. Another I suggest is John Polkinghorn, a mathematical physicist who is also an Anglican priest. He's written a lot, but as your teacher directing you to learn more about your own country, I will assign you to read his Quantum Physics and Theology: An Unexpected Kinship. Kim
 
Because you are English, which conclusion I came to from your use of rubbish and arse,

Yeah..... your deductive ability is epic fail

Im as english as jesus is real...........

You got it wrong, on both counts

Born in New Zealand, lives in Australia

Never been to england........................

But you were soooooo certain you were right.

I think this highlights most succinctly your inability to draw facts from the data

Hilarious

Your amaaaaaaazing powerz of deduction, your razor sharp ability to sort through the data and come to the truth........

Your rock solid assertion i was english, like your assertion your "study" of jesus has given you the facts...... wroooooong wrong wrong wrong on both counts.

Absolute proof you are wrong, and by extension your deductive logic faulty
 
And yet again you cant reply to a single salient point ive referenced, unable to refute the data, you simply ignore it and dodge sideways.........

Were there dinosaurs on the ark, or is the story of noah a fairytale......
The australian aboriginals have been here 40,000 years, how can that be ?
Did they and the africans and asians and south americans all evolve from noah and his family in such a short time ? or is the noah tale a fable ?
 
Oh,mike,mike,mike,you have become such a joke to me. I lost interest in you quite a while ago. Read some books, actually study something academic seriously. Without the Internet you wouldn't be able to make any "case" at all on anything. This observation of mine about you is indisputable. Aren't you serious about anything of an academic nature that actually requires you to put in the effort of reading whole books and learning about something in depth for the love of it, for instance history? An obvious fact about you I've noticed is your ignorance of history in all its aspects: its chronology, its characters (you throw out names you've seen for the first time on the Internet and feel you've made a point), its themes and movements, its political history, movements of peoples, change over time, and on and on. Abysmally ignorant, and evident more and more as I've read your postings. Kim
 
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