Hi all ...

[mike]

You're a dodger ... you think you can move around and say things and confuse people - but, you can't. If you had read (and absorbed) anything that I have said, you would remember that I went out of my way to check my entire experiential picture and all my conclusions taking on a psychotherapist. I wanted to know - and why would that be? Hmm - maybe because it was a possibility I was wrong - and in this case wrong was delusional. Guess what - not nuts.

What I know for sure is how learning happens, and I know what the tell-tale signs of fear are.

For starters we have to take your word for it that despite "hearing voices" the shrink said you were sane, and that its not a result of your head injury via car accident years ago.

But for the sake of argument, lets accept this as true.

Being "not nuts" is not proof your superwave theory is correct.

Im not saying it is or isnt, "i dont know" is an honest answer, but i'm always dubious when someone insists "this is the answer" the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

In my years of experience this genre is full of ideas, theories and hypothesis, but sweet bugger all in the way of concrete answers.

Its all in the presentation, presenting a hypothesis as "the reality" is not imo the best way to go about things

 

[Angel of Ioren]

I wonder, is it not possible for one thread on this forum to have a decent conversation without insults from people who don't agree with someone else's views or findings? And shouldn't there be a higher code of conduct for the administrators as far as this goes or to flat out try to bait and hook someone, esp. (seemingly targeting) the new members? I'm starting to think maybe this isn't a place I want to be associated with. Doesn't seem very professional or very decent to me. And honestly, this makes me really disappointed. You would think that a forum that is affiliated with a radio show or other program would adhere to higher standards than this. There are decent folks here, Gene and Chris are both part of this group, but the other decent folks don't get a word in edge ways to have a thorough discussion without a lot of disruption from the nonsensical folks...frustrating, to say the least.

I'm assuming you're alluding to the fact that I'm questioning the validity of OnlyChild's statements. This has nothing to do with being new member or anything like that. I enjoy the back and forth discussion that we get to have on this forum. I've said it before and I'll say it again: If we're all just going to agree with one another on ideas and theories, what's the point?
If you are referring to me, since I am the only moderator actively commenting on this thread, what do you find insulting? The fact that I find it entertaining the way the questions are being danced around? I'm skeptical of a lot of things paranormal, but some things do seem plausible - but these experiences that are being described here seem more psychological than anything else. Perhaps you're still frustrated with me because I tried to provide alternate explanations of your premonitions, but it's not because I'm trying to insult you - I'm trying to put out other ideas. I could say I find it insulting that you even refuse to entertain other ideas, but guess what, that's your choice and it's no big deal.
If I was posting by just saying things like, "you're crazy, get yourself checked out," or other nonsense, I would understand your frustration. However, I do think I'm being civil, albeit maybe a little snarky (in a playful way).
Trust me, if I was being a jerk, Gene and Chris would have banned me long ago.
Also, if you think this is bad, go back and look at some of the back and forth Chris and I have had! We don't a agree on a lot of stuff discussed here, but still keep it civil.

P.S. I was going to send that as a PM, but I decided to make it public because I thought it was relevant to the thread.

Thanks

 

[mike]

Keep in mind Kelly the mantra "i want to believe" isnt a common one here.
"i want to know" better sums up the gestalt of the consenus mindset

To that end we recognise you cant make an omelette with breaking the eggs.

The mix is the best ive seen anywhere, a healthy bag of skeptics and believers.
Together we hash out the facts, and often do so with the rough cameraderie you might see down the pub where old friends greet each other with phrases like hows it going you old bastard.

Over time you will see what looks like crusty old buggers being rude, is actually a bunch of ppl who at their core do respect each other, it just doesnt look that way sometimes

Sure we each have our own opinions and are not often nor easily swayed, buts thats what we bring to the discussions, diversity. If as Angelo said we all simply agreed, there would be no point

 

[Onlychild]

For starters we have to take your word for it that despite "hearing voices" the shrink said you were sane, and that its not a result of your head injury via car accident years ago.

But for the sake of argument, lets accept this as true.

Being "not nuts" is not proof your superwave theory is correct.

Im not saying it is or isnt, "i dont know" is an honest answer, but i'm always dubious when someone insists "this is the answer" the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

In my years of experience this genre is full of ideas, theories and hypothesis, but sweet bugger all in the way of concrete answers.

Its all in the presentation, presenting a hypothesis as "the reality" is not imo the best way to go about things

This reminds me of a Jr high classroom ... the kids in my class who wanted to learn asked questions ... those who didn't, distracted the others with barkings. Quite frankly I'm sick of it. Like I quoted in the very beginning: … many people today don't want honest answers insofar as 'honest’ means 'unpleasant’ or 'disturbing.’ They want a soft answer that turneth away anxiety.

Oh yeah, by the way, I didn't tell you about the second shrink ... same answer ... no signs of psychiatric or psychological problems. Here is my diagnosis of you ... your scared. Get over it. I'm out this nut house.

 

[mike]

Im not scared, and your the one doing the runner....................

and again

no signs of psychiatric or psychological problems

Doesnt then mean your assertion about the superwave and ET is the truth
.
It doesnt validate your theory any more than being nuts would invalidate it.

They are seperate issues, not related

 

[tyder001]

Oh great you "old bastards" have run off another one! Can't y'all behave?

 

[mike]

Oh great you "old bastards" have run off another one! Can't y'all behave?

Oh you.....

No one ran him off, i know you are joking.

But the truth is if i was sure the moon was made of blue cheese, no amount of shrinks telling me i was sane, would make that true.
We wouldn't be doing Jimbo any favours by pretending it did.

There just isnt any link between a clean bill of mental health, and a given theory being valid.

But clearly OC believes there is a link. imo it would be a greater unkindness to support that premise than it is to expose it as flawed

 

[tyder001]

Yeah, I have to admit "sane" people believe some strange stuff. I'm sure Steven Greer is "sane" but he's got some odd baggage.

 

[trainedobserver]

Do the participants here think we could strike up some happy medium where paranormal and other extraordinary claims can be shared, discussed, and evaluated in this public forum without the denigration of either believer or skeptic?

From the homepage:
"The Paracast is a paranormal radio show that takes you on a journey to a world beyond science, where UFOs, poltergeists and strange phenomena of all kinds have been reported by millions. The Paracast seeks to shed light on the mysteries and complexities of our Universe and the secrets that surround us in our everyday lives.
Join long-time paranormal researcher Gene Steinberg, co-host Christopher O’Brien, a seasoned field investigator, and a panel of special guest experts and experiencers, as they explore the realms of the known and unknown. Listen each week to the great stories of the history of the paranormal field in the 20th and 21st centuries."

Can we enter into the spirit of that you think?

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Good point T.O - I think we try our best to do that.

 

[trainedobserver]

Good point T.O - I think we try our best to do that.

Well, I think we're falling short.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

If that's the case, we need to improve. Do you have some ideas?

 

[trainedobserver]

Well, for one I think we need to recognize that the goal of the Paracast forum is to foster conversation and examination of paranormal subjects.

In that context we need to realize we aren't going to change the opinions of people who come here and post their paranormal experiences or theories. That shouldn't even be the goal. That doesn't mean we shouldn't express skepticism if we have it or challenge the claimants to consider alternate explanations or viewpoints that we might have or that we let hoaxers, phonies, and pathological liars to run rough shod in the midst of us. What it does mean is we do that in a way that preserves some benefit of the doubt where it deserves to metered out and fosters further discussion on the subject rather than shutting it down.

I don't know Angelo. This isn't the JREF forum and it shouldn't become the Camelot forum. Some kind of forum rules of conduct and decorum have to be followed though or it just descends into a party where everyone has the same opinions or just won't express opposing ones without engaging in adolescent debating techniques like name calling and bad mouthing.

 

[pixelsmith]

I don't know more, but science is all about research, and he seems to be the only person talking about this. Why isn't Neil Degrasse Tyson talking about this?

Angelo you are hardly the one to go on about science. You do not subscribe to the Scientific Method.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Angelo you are hardly the one to go on about science. You do not subscribe to the Scientific Method.

You can keep thinking that as much as you want, and you may think that you're right, but that doesn't make it so. It's nice to see that you'll go on and on about something (in case anyone is wondering, he's talking about climate scientists, and how the vast majority disagree with him), but hopefully one day, you'll see that you are wrong. I'll stick with scientists that know what they are talking about.

 

[Decker]

You know, my "start" date into the field of paranormal/UFOs, etc. was in 1987. Oh, I had interest going back to my first Frank Edwards book I read, the idea that there might be things that at first blush seem to have no logical answer ... excited me! My thing was however, using a cop's investigative method or MO to pursue these things. That approach made me friends as well as making me enemies.

Going back to my beginning I have heard the mantra ... "this or that will happen in (for example) 3 to 5 years!" In particular .. one of the first was the John Lear paper that he wrote back in 1987, and posted up on the Paranet system. Well, I stuck aground .. and more importantly I remembered ... and nothing happened. Oh, more noise happened ... more shouting happened .. but none of the dire things that Lear promised .. happened.

In 1982 Orson Wells hosted a documentary on Nostradamus titled "The Man Who Saw Tomorrow." A scary as hell look at what the producers claimed Nostradamus saw heading to us. The part that got to me was the "King of Terror" that was going to show up in July 1999! Guess what? August of 1999 showed up and no show for the King of Terror. (Actually I was kind of disappointed.) The the BIGGIE happened ... Y2K!!! I actually saw people go really bonkers over this. One guy that I was good friends with here in LA sold all his stuff, pack up his car and he headed for the hills outta state! Another guy I knew slightly thru another friend, actually a very well known writer, moved outta New York City, packed all his stuff up and moved (for a time) to Canada. Guess what? A really god-damned big fizzle! 2000 showed up and shit .. we are all still here.

We gonna get fried from the galactic center on or about December 21, 2012? Well I have been around too long to totally discount anything. But .. I am gonna plan for Christmas of 2012 and maybe lay in an extra bottle of hooch ... just in case....

Decker

 

[trainedobserver]

The king of terror.

If you ignore the parts that don't fit and just use the line ...

"From the sky will come a great King of Terror."

the prediction fits the events of July 31, 1999 almost to a T. Or maybe a Y.

"NASA intentionally crashes the Lunar Prospector spacecraft into the Moon, thus ending its mission to detect frozen water on the moon's surface."

Uncanny isn't it? How's that for your paranormal prediction from the dim past! Spooky.

 

[dyingsun]

hmm...Calm down, mate. ...I would say...

 

[CitizenK]

You have fallen short, I choose not "to give it time " to get used to insults and blatant rudeness. This is not a place I want to stake claim to being a participant. Those of you that I have had decent conversations with and have formed some sort of connection, you know where to find me.
Peace & good luck in your endeavors.

 

[Voyager]

You have fallen short, I choose not "to give it time " to get used to insults and blatant rudeness. This is not a place I want to stake claim to being a participant. Those of you that I have had decent conversations with and have formed some sort of connection, you know where to find me.
Peace & good luck in your endeavors.

Brings to mind Oliver Stone's movie: The Doors. Towards the end of the movie one of the band members says: "The band you love to hate". In this case, it's the forum you love to hate!