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Kathleen Marden and Denise Stoner

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wwkirk

wwkirk

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I don't know what to make of the experiences these two reported. They don't seem crazy, which is a natural way to interpret what they were saying.

I was pleased to hear that they don't subscribe to the millions of abductions camp.
 
Alarm bells rang as soon as Denise said she came out with her experiences when it was time to sell the book. They're starting with the premise that these experiences ha to be aliens, and that's the wrong approach.
 
You listening to the streaming version or the downloadable one? I checked our copy, and the segment at the one-hour-10-minute mark at the one following are different.
 
I listened to the downloaded copy through the Downcast app. I don't have the exact time of the repeat, but it was around that time. The segment that was repeated was the one where Denise talked about her experience in South Park, Colorado.
 
Well, I scanned through it and it seemed OK, but if you can point me to the time I'll make sure we fix it ASAP. The segments are timed differently, so they aren't interchangeable.
 
Thanks. It appears to be a network file system glitch of some sort. The corrected file should be posted shortly with all segments correct.
 
wwkirk said:
The segments that begin at 54:24 and at 1:08:20 are identical.
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I thought I had accidentally skipped back on the show! Glad to hear it wasn't my normal psychosis interfereing with listening. ;)

The show was different, but I learned quite a bit.
The one thing that stood out was people of "Cherokee and Irish" descent being more likely to have some sort of abduction experience, if I understood that correctly. That's kind of spooky. Both of my paternal grandparents were second generation Irish, and my maternal grandmother was full blooded Cherokee from Asheville, North Carolina. (She passed away at 91 years old, and her hair was still black as midnight. It's also where I get my high cheek bones).
So does that mean I have a higher chance of being abducted, at some point? I think, no- I'm pretty sure, I have never been abducted. The only missing time I've ever had involved alcohol. Should I install a camera in my bedroom? ( My wife would object, strenuously).
 
I too thought I was going crazy when I heard the repeated segment :p

I don't have any problem with them holding back some detail of their experience to use as a method for corroborating peoples' stories, HOWEVER I don't see how they'd be able to prevent other researchers and experiencers from reporting such details.

What I thought was weird was that they didn't seem to have any idea about sleep paralysis as an explanation for many abductions. My girlfriend's brother-in-law had an experience where he woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't move, his bedroom was filled with blue light, and there were 6 grey aliens surrounding his bed. If his wife hadn't been there to wake him up, he probably would have lived the rest of his life believing he was an abductee. He's also suffered much milder sleep paralysis episodes his whole life, so chances are he'd connect those to this one with the aliens and start believing that they were all abductions where his memories were erased.

I also have to criticize the part where Gene asked about the possibility of the beings being inter-dimensional, and Denise said something about "raising their vibrational levels so that they become invisible". Not sure where the hell that came from.

Thanks for asking my question, Chris!
 
If you haven't already, you can download the episode again and get the "fixed" version. It appears to have been a glitch when the network stitched together the 12 segments we submitted, so it was easy to fix on our end, simply by replacing the wrong segment 6 with the right segment 6. But the version on GCN's site is still broken -- I have alerted them and I hope they'll have it fixed soon.
 
So, a two-year old goes through the wall, and remembers a hooded alien that holds her hand..? It's only believeable if aliens are actually gods with supernatural powers. If they are, fine, they can judge me in time, until then, bleehhhh!

Quoted loosely:
'We followed the implant down my arm, I had it for a while, then after a while it just disappeared'. But, '.. we didn't have time to get anything done about it bla bla..' . And then she goes: 'It was like a little baby!' (EDIT: Sorry, she said BB, as in airgun, thnx Loren).

She seems remarkably carefree with the details and how all these crazy events affects her life and nervous system.

At around 80 minutes onwards, their personal experience sounds like someone picked the funny mushrooms before cooking dinner. It's super spaced out, 70ies style. At min. 88 she's very tolerant of Gene's question if perhaps they were dealing with something different than UFOs and such.

Forgetting the jokes for a while, I do wonder if something happened to her in childhood, perhaps being among strangers, or something, which left an imprint she can't really get to. She remembers seeing 'many different faces' and other things that could be interpreted in various ways.

When she describes her daughter's faith in her mother's stories, it's like her daughter is schooled to carry the torch of mama's exceptional alien encounters. I kinda feel sick at this point, it sounds a bit cult-like.

She sounds looney describing the MRI scan experiences, where doctors morphed into aliens. Just my opinion. Either she's looney or she'll spin anything.

I can't figure out if I think she's a fraud or a nut, or a victim of traumatic childhood experiences who tried to fix her problems on her own, via an alternative route. But there's a cynical dispassionate tinge to her accounts which makes me think she's exploiting something.

At 114, others need a camera in their bedroom etc., I didn't hear the lady hold having any video? Maybe she just likes being exceptional.

When she talks about not being 'a victim', it sounds like advice that is akin to coaching and therapy. I don't know where the mental starts, where the fraud or or where the innocent confusion begins or ends. No evidence.

Oh, she's trying to put up cameras but they always fail. Whatever. They could write a whole book but didn't manage to get a camera working. They should fix or record that first, then they wouldn't need to waste time writing the book.

No critical questions except one by one of those damn 'sceptics', smooth seas all the way. No mention of the documented effects of sleep paralysis etc, except in a derogatory tone. If it wasn't documented, I could understand it, but it's undeniably relevant and probably quite frequent. You could do people who don't know about it a real favor by giving one or two examples of the effects. Oh well..
 
'It was like a little baby!' Far out.. I mean, that's pretty far out!
She seems remarkably careless with how all these crazy events going on with her affects her life and nervous system.
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I heard that at first too, but I think she said "bb."

So, a two-year old goes through the wall, and remembers a hooded alien that holds her hand..? It's only believeable if aliens are actually gods with supernatural powers. If they are, fine, they can judge me in time, until then, bleehhhh!
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Nothing a child sees can be taken at face value. For example, yesterday morning we had to leave the front door open a little longer so that my daughter's "friends" could go through as well. I think it's adorable and I am a huge proponent of my child using her imagination, but that's all it is.

Also, they've decided it's aliens and there's no debating that with them. It goes against exactly with what Gene and Chris discussed at the beginning of the episode.
 
They certainly seem serious about everything, and Kathleen Marden doesn't strike me as someone who'd be easily fooled. I worry a lot about what someone remembers at age 2.5. I remember nothing my early childhood, except, in passing, some fleeting memory of being in a crib and that's it. That must be about a year old, I would guess, but since there's nobody around to enhance my memories of anything of that era, there ya go.

In the end, though, just what DID happen to Denise Stoner -- and her husband for that matter?
 
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