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Kathleen Marden and Denise Stoner

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Gene Steinberg said:
They certainly seem serious about everything, and Kathleen Marden doesn't strike me as someone who'd be easily fooled. I worry a lot about what someone remembers at age 2.5. I remember nothing my early childhood, except, in passing, some fleeting memory of being in a crib and that's it. That must be about a year old, I would guess, but since there's nobody around to enhance my memories of anything of that era, there ya go.

In the end, though, just what DID happen to Denise Stoner and her husband for that matter?
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It sounds a lot like some of the stuff that happened to Jeff Ritzman.

Who knows what happened to them. For all we know she can be lying about it to sell books, which is exactly what her ultimate goal seems to be - we can even get an autographed copy! Like I said, the alarm bells rang when she said she just started coming out with this when the book went on sale and that there's is stuff she just can't tell us yet. Entertaining, creepy stories, but that's it - nothing substantiated.
She was definitely ready for the sleep paralysis question though!
 
The book was clearly part of her "coming out" about all this. Remember, too, that some abduction researchers have this "fact" or tidbit of information, kept secret, by which they judge whether a case is genuine or not. Supposedly she passed muster, according to Kathleen Marden. Stoner also seems to have a long background as a government worker handling background investigations and such. I suppose one could verify her background for starters. She has also been in the UFO field for a while.
 
Angel of Ioren said:
Like I said, the alarm bells rang when she said she just started coming out with this when the book went on sale and that there's is stuff she just can't tell us yet.
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I don't have a strong opinion either way on her, but this is something that certainly has irked me about other, less believable, abductees/contactees. Whitley Strieber comes to mind; that guy's story just keeps growing over the years. By now he's had every experience imaginable. I expect that soon he will be appointed as co-pilot of a UFO.


Gene Steinberg said:
Remember, too, that some abduction researchers have this "fact" or tidbit of information, kept secret, by which they judge whether a case is genuine or not. Supposedly she passed muster, according to Kathleen Marden.
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I recall Bud Hopkins talking about doing the same thing. By not publicly talking about specific case details perhaps Stoner is weeding out (pun intended) potential BSers in the same manner and just failed to communicate that particular thought.
 
YetiTerds4sale said:
I recall Bud Hopkins talking about doing the same thing. By not publicly talking about specific case details perhaps Stoner is weeding out (pun intended) potential BSers in the same manner and just failed to communicate that particular thought.
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For what it's worth, that particular thought came through crystal clear to me.
 
I'd like to hear from an abductee who is also familiar with deep psychedelic experiences. I ponder the Brothers McKenna/Micah Hanks end of things, and something there reverberates when i hear abductee accounts. I rarely if ever hear of anyone experienced in both, and have never heard a detailed comparison.
 
A single answer to a single question that was rapidly set aside when I explained what I meant about other dimensions. How they explain what happened, and they believe it to be ET, doesn't mean the case should be ignored. There's still something there that has to be explained.
 
According to her website ...

Denise also worked as a paranormal investigator in the homes of abductees that felt they had been visited by spirits following abductions. She recorded evidence of the development of psychic abilities in individuals following their experiences with UFOs and ETs, and worked on a Team with Dr. Romack studying abductees’ abilities to locate missing people and predict future events.

Unless I missed a segment (due to the repeat error?) she didn't go into the stalking spirits, psychic abilities or predicting the future stuff. Her website also says she has been into the UFO field for 20 years and shows her yacking it up at MUFON meetings. Call me crazy but all of these things set up red flags. I know she did not present herself as an outsider writing a book but knowing an insider is writing this makes me skeptical.
 
You can also assume that her presence in the UFO field follows a lifetime of having experiences. That doesn't argue for or against. It's just a natural result. Some get involved in the field, others run away and stay private.
 
Gene Steinberg said:
You can also assume that her presence in the UFO field follows a lifetime of having experiences. That doesn't argue for or against. It's just a natural result. Some get involved in the field, others run away and stay private.
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The skeptical side of me is saying an insider would know all the right things to say and know how to "play" the community. Could she have been keeping the other stuff out of the interview because she knew the show leaned away from spiritualism?
 
We can always speculate about what was not said. It is inferred that Kathleen knew about the abductions before Denise decided to go public. I'm sure Kathleen, as author of several books, know there's little glory in writing one. So why would Denise subject herself to public scrutiny?
 
Gene Steinberg said:
They certainly seem serious about everything, and Kathleen Marden doesn't strike me as someone who'd be easily fooled. I worry a lot about what someone remembers at age 2.5. I remember nothing my early childhood, except, in passing, some fleeting memory of being in a crib and that's it. That must be about a year old, I would guess, but since there's nobody around to enhance my memories of anything of that era, there ya go.

In the end, though, just what DID happen to Denise Stoner -- and her husband for that matter?
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I have memories dating back to when i was just crawling, parents were skeptical until i was able to describe the configuration of the house and the people living upstairs.
 
Depends on the detail, I suppose, but also whether your interactions with your family enhanced the core memory. As you learned to talk, you discussed more and more of the details of your life with them. A family gathering, for example, where a mom or dad might explain the details of how a child first learned to walk, or some other incident that may trigger a memory, however fleeting.

But I don't recall my parents talking much about anything I did, and I do not pretend to be an expert in childhood memory or learning experiences.
 
Gene Steinberg said:
Depends on the detail, I suppose, but also whether your interactions with your family enhanced the core memory. As you learned to talk, you discussed more and more of the details of your life with them. A family gathering, for example, where a mom or dad might explain the details of how a child first learned to walk, or some other incident that may trigger a memory, however fleeting.

But I don't recall my parents talking much about anything I did, and I do not pretend to be an expert in childhood memory or learning experiences.
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In my case these are very clear memories of crawling on the kitchen floor, and out the back door, of concrete steps leading up to a raised lawn area and a fire escape that was used by the tenants upstairs to access the garden.

My parents were blown away with the detail, and things remembered.
 
It was after i started school, so at least 5 years old.
My mother had a thing for moving house, she could never settle down in a place for more than a year or so, one day they were discussing all the places they lived since being married and i said i remember that place. They said you couldnt you were only a year old. I then described the kitchen and the garden and tenants upstairs.
They were shocked.

It might just be me though, ive always had an Eidetic memory, which has been very useful in life.
I dont get lost for example, if im in a car and taken someplace, i can retrace that route even years later with total accuracy.
It drives my wife crazy sometimes, because im always right. If we are discussing something that happened years ago, i have total recall, and when the facts are checked im never wrong.
It allowed me to start working as a computer operator at just 16 years old, The computer dept hired me as a junior, and i spent a week soaking up the phonebook sized manuals and away i went, every command ,syntax and parameter were remembered.
I had a better command of the HP job control language than staff twice my age.

At school they called me "encyclopedia mike", and teachers would often preface a question to class with "can anyone but mike tell me......"
And when no one could, i would only then be allowed to answer it.
This in turn led to me being very unpopular with my peers, so i spent my recess and lunch in the library soaking up even more info, which just fed the process.

To this very day friends will not play trivial pursuit with me, i take all the fun out of the game they say
 
Its funny because the info is still all inside my head.
Just a few days ago i had a dream about my grandma's house, and i woke up amazed at the level of detail in the dream, from the wood paneling and wallpaper to the locations of bathroom drains. Knick knacks on the shelves to the location and contents of kitchen cupboards.
Carpet patterns and even plants in the gardens, it was as far as i can tell a perfect recall of the place, from at least 4 decades ago.
 
I also had a "whole life flashes before your eyes" incident during a rock climbing accident where in the instant i was convinced i was about to die, the phrase became a litteral expression.

The brain is a funny thing
 
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