Media Blackout and Arrests taking place at the Gulf?

[pixelsmith]

I probably shouldn't bother posting this on a conspiracy based site but....Assuming everything is a conspiracy is a result of warped reasoning ( especially this particular one) . It's easier to think everything is "planned" than to admit the the world is out of control- that's right nobody controls it, not the oil companies, not the jews, not the neocons. I think people would be wise face that fact and stop childishly thinking that the evil overlords are running things. It's disempowering, juvenile, and it's a waste of time. Think critcally and logically about this stuff, it will make life clearer.

Everything is fine folks... move along... nothing more to see here... the oil companies will all pitch in and clean up the mess shortly... your trillions of dollars will be returned to you all in 7-10 days...

 

[Xylo]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/11/oil.disaster.survivor/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn

The night of the blast, Deepwater Horizon marked seven years without an accident. It burned for two days before sinking, taking 11 men into the deep with it and unleashing the worst oil spill in U.S. history.
BP, which owns the well; Transocean, which owned the rig; and oilfield services contractor Halliburton, which performed the cementing on the well, all blame each other for the disaster.

Transocean workers have told investigators that rig managers and a BP executive argued over plans to finish up the well, which was several weeks behind schedule. And Stone told the House Judiciary Committee in May that work on the rig had to stop at least four times because of a loss of drilling fluid in the well, which indicated either an unstable or cracked formation.

 

[CapnG]

I probably shouldn't bother posting this on a conspiracy based site but....Assuming everything is a conspiracy is a result of warped reasoning ( especially this particular one) . It's easier to think everything is "planned" than to admit the the world is out of control- that's right nobody controls it, not the oil companies, not the jews, not the neocons. I think people would be wise face that fact and stop childishly thinking that the evil overlords are running things. It's disempowering, juvenile, and it's a waste of time. Think critcally and logically about this stuff, it will make life clearer.

This is by no means a "conspiracy based site", we just have one very "vocal" conspiracy-based board member!

There's nothing conspiratorial going on here though, what you're seeing is the "bigger dick" approach to problem solving in action. Meanwhile, as the government and the various corporations all dance around waving their pricks at one another to try and figure out who's in charge, millions of gallons of oil kill off untold numbers of marine animals and the livelyhoods of thousands of people fall into ruin.

Do conspiracies happen? Of course they do. But not this time. This is just the same kind of, sad, predictable disaster that "nobody saw coming" (except for anyone with two eyes and a brain) that invariably results from making profits more important than lives.

 

[pixelsmith]

This is by no means a "conspiracy based site", we just have one very "vocal" conspiracy-based board member!

There's nothing conspiratorial going on here though, what you're seeing is the "bigger dick" approach to problem solving in action. Meanwhile, as the government and the various corporations all dance around waving their pricks at one another to try and figure out who's in charge, millions of gallons of oil kill off untold numbers of marine animals and the livelyhoods of thousands of people fall into ruin.

Do conspiracies happen? Of course they do. But not this time. This is just the same kind of, sad, predictable disaster that "nobody saw coming" (except for anyone with two eyes and a brain) that invariably results from making profits more important than lives.

Thankfully we have a very vocal member who knows everything.

 

[CapnG]

Thankfully we have a very vocal member who knows everything.

Which would be... you? Since everything is always a conspiracy but you're the only one who knows that, therefore you know everything (is a conspiracy)? That's quite the opinion you have of yourself.

Me? I don't know nearly enough about anything, let alone everything but I do know BS when I see it and the idea that this BP disaster is some sort of nefarious plot is pure, grade A fertilizer.

 

[pixelsmith]

Which would be... you? Since everything is always a conspiracy but you're the only one who knows that, therefore you know everything (is a conspiracy)? That's quite the opinion you have of yourself.

Me? I don't know nearly enough about anything, let alone everything but I do know BS when I see it and the idea that this BP disaster is some sort of nefarious plot is pure, grade A fertilizer.

I don't "know" squat. I go with a gut feeling which has been at times accurate and at times wrong. I could be dead wrong on this oil spill but I could be spot on. Time will tell.

 

[trainedobserver]

The problem with all these grand conspiracy theories is that it attributes a degree of intelligence and ability to plan that is plainly absent from the situation. I think that the evidence suggests that the global human society has become so large and complex in its interconnections and associations that it has become in effect a run away train. Casey is not at the throttle, he's passed out in the coal car.

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Thankfully we have a very vocal member who knows everything.

Well ... (looks around the control room of reactor room 3) some of us know more than we're telling.

To the humor impaired the above statement is of course ... a bad joke. (suddenly ... the alarms have stopped)

 

[Kieran]

Thankfully we have a very vocal member who knows everything.

I said it before there is something about you that i like. However you do come across as being very Jim Marrs like. You believe their is a conspiracy everywhere lol while i do believe there is perhaps a conspiracy of a sort here, i wouldn't agree with your analyse of the situation. Your claims are allegations until you provide evidence nobody will ever take you seriously.

 

[cottonzway]

I don't believe the events were staged, but I do think they will be used to pass various agendas. I think the situation is far worse then we are being told as someone would have stopped this by now if they could have done so. I think they hit either a laccolith or magma chamber that has outrageous pressue associated to it. It's simply not the "pipe" but actual structure that the drill hit.

It's bad news IMO.

 

[dyingsun]

I don't believe the events were staged, but I do think they will be used to pass various agendas. I think the situation is far worse then we are being told as someone would have stopped this by now if they could have done so. I think they hit either a laccolith or magma chamber that has outrageous pressue associated to it. It's simply not the "pipe" but actual structure that the drill hit.

It's bad news IMO.

I agree with that, they drilled in an area where probably noone should have drilled.

 

[Xylo]

I don't believe the events were staged, but I do think they will be used to pass various agendas. I think the situation is far worse then we are being told as someone would have stopped this by now if they could have done so. I think they hit either a laccolith or magma chamber that has outrageous pressue associated to it. It's simply not the "pipe" but actual structure that the drill hit.

It's bad news IMO.

I completely agree. There will be years of pointing the blame at "The Other Guy" after this IMO. No matter how you examine the situation, no good can come out of it.

 

[CapnG]

I don't believe the events were staged, but I do think they will be used to pass various agendas.

That's effectively a given. Those in power seeking to advance their agendas will use any excuse good or bad, it's just human nature to react more strongly to bad news than good, thus a negative catalyst is usually more effective.

 

[pixelsmith]

I said it before there is something about you that i like. However you do come across as being very Jim Marrs like. You believe their is a conspiracy everywhere lol while i do believe there is perhaps a conspiracy of a sort here, i wouldn't agree with your analyse of the situation. Your claims are allegations until you provide evidence nobody will ever take you seriously.

Fair enough. I never really care what people think. No biggy.

BTW- If you met me in person and you would bet 100 bucks Pixelsmith is not me.

 

[davide]

At least for the sake of the Gulf, I wish we had a Republican president now. The economic disaster being faced by thousands of Gulf Coast families and the death and destruction to the region's wildlife and habitat is incredible and the American public has only seen a tiny sliver of what's really going on. Area fisherman have said that the few heartbreaking pictures allowed to be released showing dead and dying dolphins, turtles, pelicans, gannets and terns are nothing compared to what they are witnessing. Much of this area may never recover and the toxins being added to the food chain could affect the country for generations.

The feds and BP are blocking access to public beaches in the affected areas. And it’s not for safety considerations – it’s to minimize damage to the image of BP and the current administration. That's why the public and the media are being turned away. Unbelievable.

But even more disgusting is that the mainstream media has not held the administration's feet to the fire on this. They can send literally dozens of reporters to Alaska to get dirt on crazy Sarah's children, but won't challenge Robert Gibbs on why the US is turning away offers of international assistance in the oil disaster cleanup? And any complaints regarding media access has been meek at best.

The mainstream press, 80% of whom are members of or sympathetic to the Democrat party, would be screaming bloody murder and howling like hell if a Republican administration was in charge. Can you imagine their fury if a Republican president turned away international offers of help with proven technology? Can you imagine if his administration blocked media access to affected shoreline areas and prohibited the taking of photos? That would never stand, but because of stupid, g*d damn party politics, the f#*king press is giving this incompetent administration a pass.

Although some in the MSM are beginning to wake up, criticism of the Obama administration has been relatively mild. They can be tenacious and vicious if it suits their agenda. But large swaths of the Gulf are dying and I wish the media would show at least some of the aggressiveness that they displayed during the last administration.

Environmentalists give Barack Obama a pass on oil spill
Some say there’s little doubt that if a spill like the one in the Gulf took place on former President George W. Bush’s watch, environmental groups would have unleashed an unsparing fury on the Republican in the White House. For their liberal ally, Obama, they seem willing to hold their tongues.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38451.html

Dutch consul slams US foot-dragging on oil spill
Three days after BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling platform exploded in the Gulf of Mexico, the Netherlands offered to help. Ships could have set about clearing the oil using Dutch sweeping arms, but the US government didn’t take up the offer.
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/dutch-consul-slams-us-foot-dragging-oil-spill

Nearly 50 Supertankers Are Waiting for BP (on the Cheap)
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/bp-oil-spill-cleanup-costs-060410

The Secret, 700-Million-Gallon Oil Fix That Worked — and Might Save the Gulf
There's a potential solution to the Gulf oil spill that neither BP, nor the federal government, nor anyone — save a couple intuitive engineers — seems willing to try. ... the untapped solution involves using empty supertankers to suck the spill off the surface, treat and discharge the contaminated water, and either salvage or destroy the slick.
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/gulf-oil-spill-supertankers-051310

Efforts to Limit the Flow of Spill News
Senator Bill Nelson ... tried to bring a small group of journalists with him on a trip he was taking through the gulf on a Coast Guard vessel ... But ... on the evening before the trip, someone from the Department of Homeland Security’s legislative affairs office called the senator’s office to tell them that no journalists would be allowed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/us/10access.html

 

[CapnG]

At least for the sake of the Gulf, I wish we had a Republican president now.

If you think it would make a lick of difference I don't know what to tell you. In the first place both parties are under the thumb of big oil. But second and more importantly as far as public image is concerend, big oil only rents democrats but they OWN republicans.

And as far as media access versus administrative control goes, I have three words for you: free speech zones.

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

If you think it would make a lick of difference I don't know what to tell you. In the first place both parties are under the thumb of big oil. But second and more importantly as far as public image is concerend, big oil only rents democrats but they OWN republicans.

And as far as media access versus administrative control goes, I have three words for you: free speech zones.

Whers's all the climate gate scandle brigade and Gore

 

[davide]

Right now, my immediate concern isn't who owns or rents which politician -- it's containment and cleanup. A Republican president at this point in the disaster would be eviscerated by the major media, but for the most part, they are political allies with the current administration. Whether or not the end result of this mess would be any different regardless of who was in charge is arguable. But the press clearly would be less hesitant to kick a** if the top guy happened to have an R next to his name.

But to the underlying topic of this site...

If USOs really exist and have bases in the Gulf as Bill Birnes claims , wouldn't it be in their best interest to zap the well? Some have claimed they intervened at Chernobyl, but maybe they only dislike nukes.

 

[cottonzway]

I do think the stock selling by Goldman was a bit weird, but I chalk that up to having insiders knowing BP was drilling in an area that they should not have been. While I do not think that translate to "conspiracy" I do think it translate to other people were aware they should not have been drilling there and it was not stopped, for what reason I do not know. Likely arrogance and hubris. This should of never happened.

 

[CapnG]

A Republican president at this point in the disaster would be eviscerated by the major media, but for the most part, they are political allies with the current administration.

Is FOX News and the rest of Newscorp not "major media"? They're constantly boasting about their ratings and readership so according to themselves they ARE the major media and I hardly think they're going to give a Democratic president a free pass (espescially this one).

So if Newscorp is the major media and they're clearly slanted conservative then how does that whole "liberal bias" thing work exactly?

If USOs really exist and have bases in the Gulf as Bill Birnes claims

, wouldn't it be in their best interest to zap the well? Some have claimed they intervened at Chernobyl, but maybe they only dislike nukes.

If they were there it'd sure be nice of them to share their pressure/depth technology...

 

[davide]

Is FOX News and the rest of Newscorp not "major media"? ... I hardly think they're going to give a Democratic president a free pass (espescially this one).

So if Newscorp is the major media and they're clearly slanted conservative then how does that whole "liberal bias" thing work exactly?

FOX is the exception -- I'm talking about the major networks that get the majority of viewers. But if you don't see that CBS, ABC and NBC tend to favor Democrats in general and Obama in particular, then there's nothing more to discuss. Their high-profile reporters consist of more than 80% Democrats and, unlike Cronkite, are not hesitant to show it. Obama himself has even joked about their adoration. SNL has had skits about it.

I have no use for either of the two political parties. Much of my immediate family lives in the Gulf area -- that's where my concern is. My point remains that if POTUS was a Republican, the major media in general would not have been so timid in holding the administration's feet to the fire and the daily WH press briefings would be far more lively.

Maybe I haven't been clear ... I'm not attacking Democrats (heaven forbid, I've been reading these forums long enough to know that they have a healthy representation here). I'm angry at the media for not aggressively challenging the administration on why help has been turned away and proven cleanup technoligies are being ignored. Clearly they are treading lightly because their guys are in charge. Some on the Left who have been affected first-hand are beginning to raise the same questions.

But could the WH's arguably mild response at containment and cleanup have another motive? I can't stop thinking of what Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel once said" "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste."