Moshi Dayan
Skilled Investigator
Wikipedia?
As an authoritative source?
Sorry David, you'r authority fails authentication due to prior factual errors concerning many entries.
Maybe Snopes?
Clue.
Uh huh.
No authoritative source quoted.
No valid theory demonstrated.
Van Allen made a mistake?
You then present an invalid argument by refering to later statements by Van Allen; Zeno principle converted to logic error.
Peer reviewed original analysis of Van Alllen's data was well documented, and accepted as scientific factual basis for estimation of shield requirements. Those numbers were not retrieved from his lower bowel ya know. Why bother "dodging" the belts if there were no danger? Your argument here is self defeating. Thank You.
Are we now to believe his apparently unadorned and sans peer retraction?
Faulty reality checking is in play on your side of the debate.
Insufficiently robust equipment excuse furnished as per requisit need?
Standard governmental modus operandi, change inconvenient facts to fit the propaganda, an old trick, but a handy one to have in one's black bag.
(I should get an extra point for the additional conspiracy leveraged as accepted carved in stone fact.)
Numbers.
Formula.
Hard data.
Something which can be shown a workable hypothesis through standard calculation.
Then we can crunch our way through to theory...maybe.
I have better arguments, but none of my originals have failed in any manner, and substantiated facts are still not being offered for debate by your side.
20 years to do it again...lol.
That was sure some damned fine seat of the pants flying....bet they needed to change their pampers after the lunar departure liftoff and docking maneuver huh?
Straw man up in flames.
House of cards scattered across lab floor.
Redemption?
X = thrust needed to lift Y + burden from lunar surface at angle of attack to achieve correct lunar orbit and attitude thruster calibration and feedback to perform kinnetics to set up for the orbital requirements, and manage the docking maneuver?
Now then.
I don't believe a Tandy XT could arrange a docking maneuver on NASA's parking lot between the lunch wagon and a guy on a moped, let alone compensate for over/under thrust conditions and perform attitude corrections to pitch, roll, and yaw of the pod in lunar orbit, and also calculate, adjust and correct pod closing rates to main ship while providing guidance into docking mechanism, and verifying mechanical lock all the while being syncronised to the main ships movements.
Where is the level of sophistication needed in instrumentation and control mechanisms for these intricate operations?
Can you refute physicist Werner Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, which states "the position and the velocity of an object cannot both be measured exactly, at the same time, even in theory."?
By the way, according to earlier arguments this is going to need to be a pressurised lockup.
Uh oh.
Houston we have a problem.
A bigger than it looks problem.
Those darned hatches, not only size now but also 1960's rubber formulations and extremely cold or hot temperatures, and pressure. Not enough air to be venting it off during crew movements in case of a seal failure.
I believe your XT ran out of memory checking the arming of the lift sequence circuit, and nobody is going to attempt manual control of such a complex series of events.
Were one (or two) to attempt it, we'd have a park dedicated to those fine astronauts who perished somewhere in space in a tumbling and rolling out of control pod, unless of course they under drove it, and crashed back onto the lunar surface. They'd still exist only as a historical footnote.
Avoiding those fictional boulders again still wouldn't save it, even at reduced gravities such as that of the moon the velocity of impact would be sufficient to destroy the pod and probably mangle the occupants like a sledge-o-matic meeting a watermellon.
The fine work by Disney Studios solved all these problems!
Of course sombody put the key light where the kicker should have been, but let's not be niggardly, I'll overlook the studio's screwups for now (but there is one huge one which will sink all battleships...I'll keep it quiet for now since it has not been publicly mentioned before).
As I mentioned, I'm prepared to argue other key points regarding this highly fluffy HOAXED moon landing.
I can also argue your side, but not on a factual basis.
I'm still a fan, but if you want to win this debate you are going to need personal attacks, inuendo regarding my intake of koolaid, and bombastic circumlocution, I'd also create a sock puppet or two to give overwhelming support to your every word, (if you don't already have well trained sycophants). You'd be well advised to challenge my mental health status, suggest some substance abuse, body odor or child molester tendancies, or threaten to stamp your foot and hold your breath till you turn blue, which would cause me to surrender at once rather than have your Mom gunning for me ( I have a Jewish Mama too, heaven forbid I should be turning blue on anyone's account...Mama would have at least the JDL and possibly some retired Mossad guys call on you.)
Oh, and don't tell Mama I'm posting on the board, she thinks I'm playing piano at a whorehouse.
As an authoritative source?
Sorry David, you'r authority fails authentication due to prior factual errors concerning many entries.
Maybe Snopes?
Clue.
Uh huh.
No authoritative source quoted.
No valid theory demonstrated.
Van Allen made a mistake?
You then present an invalid argument by refering to later statements by Van Allen; Zeno principle converted to logic error.
Peer reviewed original analysis of Van Alllen's data was well documented, and accepted as scientific factual basis for estimation of shield requirements. Those numbers were not retrieved from his lower bowel ya know. Why bother "dodging" the belts if there were no danger? Your argument here is self defeating. Thank You.
Are we now to believe his apparently unadorned and sans peer retraction?
Faulty reality checking is in play on your side of the debate.
Insufficiently robust equipment excuse furnished as per requisit need?
Standard governmental modus operandi, change inconvenient facts to fit the propaganda, an old trick, but a handy one to have in one's black bag.
(I should get an extra point for the additional conspiracy leveraged as accepted carved in stone fact.)
Numbers.
Formula.
Hard data.
Something which can be shown a workable hypothesis through standard calculation.
Then we can crunch our way through to theory...maybe.
I have better arguments, but none of my originals have failed in any manner, and substantiated facts are still not being offered for debate by your side.
20 years to do it again...lol.
That was sure some damned fine seat of the pants flying....bet they needed to change their pampers after the lunar departure liftoff and docking maneuver huh?
Straw man up in flames.
House of cards scattered across lab floor.
Redemption?
X = thrust needed to lift Y + burden from lunar surface at angle of attack to achieve correct lunar orbit and attitude thruster calibration and feedback to perform kinnetics to set up for the orbital requirements, and manage the docking maneuver?
Now then.
I don't believe a Tandy XT could arrange a docking maneuver on NASA's parking lot between the lunch wagon and a guy on a moped, let alone compensate for over/under thrust conditions and perform attitude corrections to pitch, roll, and yaw of the pod in lunar orbit, and also calculate, adjust and correct pod closing rates to main ship while providing guidance into docking mechanism, and verifying mechanical lock all the while being syncronised to the main ships movements.
Where is the level of sophistication needed in instrumentation and control mechanisms for these intricate operations?
Can you refute physicist Werner Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, which states "the position and the velocity of an object cannot both be measured exactly, at the same time, even in theory."?
By the way, according to earlier arguments this is going to need to be a pressurised lockup.
Uh oh.
Houston we have a problem.
A bigger than it looks problem.
Those darned hatches, not only size now but also 1960's rubber formulations and extremely cold or hot temperatures, and pressure. Not enough air to be venting it off during crew movements in case of a seal failure.
I believe your XT ran out of memory checking the arming of the lift sequence circuit, and nobody is going to attempt manual control of such a complex series of events.
Were one (or two) to attempt it, we'd have a park dedicated to those fine astronauts who perished somewhere in space in a tumbling and rolling out of control pod, unless of course they under drove it, and crashed back onto the lunar surface. They'd still exist only as a historical footnote.
Avoiding those fictional boulders again still wouldn't save it, even at reduced gravities such as that of the moon the velocity of impact would be sufficient to destroy the pod and probably mangle the occupants like a sledge-o-matic meeting a watermellon.
The fine work by Disney Studios solved all these problems!
Of course sombody put the key light where the kicker should have been, but let's not be niggardly, I'll overlook the studio's screwups for now (but there is one huge one which will sink all battleships...I'll keep it quiet for now since it has not been publicly mentioned before).
As I mentioned, I'm prepared to argue other key points regarding this highly fluffy HOAXED moon landing.
I can also argue your side, but not on a factual basis.
I'm still a fan, but if you want to win this debate you are going to need personal attacks, inuendo regarding my intake of koolaid, and bombastic circumlocution, I'd also create a sock puppet or two to give overwhelming support to your every word, (if you don't already have well trained sycophants). You'd be well advised to challenge my mental health status, suggest some substance abuse, body odor or child molester tendancies, or threaten to stamp your foot and hold your breath till you turn blue, which would cause me to surrender at once rather than have your Mom gunning for me ( I have a Jewish Mama too, heaven forbid I should be turning blue on anyone's account...Mama would have at least the JDL and possibly some retired Mossad guys call on you.)
Oh, and don't tell Mama I'm posting on the board, she thinks I'm playing piano at a whorehouse.
