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Moon Landing is a Fake

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Many Apollo images simply look photo-shopped to me. Let's take this one, for example, it is straight from NASA's own Apollo site:

NASA - ESMD

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/141694main_antares_strip.jpg
"Above: Blinding sunshine, dark shadows and the lunar lander Antares. From the book FULL MOON by Michael Light, Alfred A. Knopf copyright 1999."

So what are we supposed to be looking at? The lunar lander casts a very black shadow in the direction of the camera, yet all fine details in the parts that are hidden from the only light source - the Sun - are perfectly visible. We even can read "United States", in black writing on a white plate.
The light source shines straight at the camera - remember: We are in zero atmosphere - yet, the image isn't completely washed out?

I came across this photo, which was taken under similar light conditions, here on Earth:

http://frosoco.stanford.edu/gallery/d/2770-2/Adam_s+Silhouette.JPG
http://frosoco.stanford.edu/gallery/v/fsc_archive/2005/scavhunt/group1/Adam_s+Silhouette.JPG.html
 
i would love to be able to utilize available light sources the way they did on the moon. it is impossible without MAGIC MOON DUST.
this amazing dust will magically reflect vast amounts of light to any part of your object. http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/141694main_antares_strip.jpg BULLROAR! there is NO WAY that happened David. in order to reflect enough light to the lander as shown in the photo above, there would have had to be light reflected up from the shadowed areas.

i once saw a magician walk through the Great Wall of China so it must be real. my dad used to pull quarters out of my ear, that must have been real too. i saw it with my own eyes!

musictomyears dont bother debating the point here. it will fall on deaf ears.
 
and dont forget, MAGIC MOON DUST will not adhere to lunar lander feet nor will it be displaced by powerful rocket engine blasts! (no nasty crater!) this MAGIC MOON DUST is amazing! but wait! there's more! be sure to pick up a set of MAGIC RUBBER TIRES for your lunar rover while supplies last!

i do think it is very possible we went to the moon. i think it is very probable many of the photos NASA shows us are fakes.
 
pixelsmith said:
i do think it is very possible we went to the moon. i think it is very probable many of the photos NASA shows us are fakes.

Me too.

There could be a plausible reason for the fakery - perhaps some of the 'real' photos didn't come out very well. But NASA could *never* admit that they manipulated the photographic record.
 
I went to clavius.com a well known moon hoax debunking site and tried to get them to answer my simple question about these anomalies.



One of the responces to my 3D representation was that the ground in the Apollo image was uneven - this is absolutely ridiculous we can see that the ground is pretty much level all around the area, and would never account for the flag moving so much in relation to the lander.

Read what these guys had to say to me for yourselves I'd appreciate some feedback to these forum posts. http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1168547745&page=5

The Earth is flat and the emperor wears no clothes at Clavius I think.
 
The comparison is ridiculous. The two ranges have different contours and are obviously different features. The photo was either incorrectly labelled or deliberatley incorrectly labelled.
 
Cygnus X1 said:

Well, I think that both sides can misinterpret the photos. In particular, I liked the idea that "the tires are made of wire mesh", and that "we can see right through" them. Nice. So much for "rationalists" versus "conspiracy theorists".

But my eyes caught something else in one of the linked NASA images. Compare these two shots:
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/AS15-88-11901HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/AS15-88-11900HR.jpg

Both shots were obviously taken within seconds from each other, since light conditions were exactly the same. However, when you look at the top right corners of the images, you will notice that the first shows a completely black sky, of the kind we have come to expect from NASA images. However, in the second picture we see three spherical objects, which look like planets in a triangular formation. How can this be? What happened to the spherical objects, from one moment to the next?

I think here we have pretty solid evidence of NASA tempering with Apollo images.

We need to remember that NASA told us repeatedly that it was impossible to take photos of stars and planets on the Moon. We don't even have photos of what would have been breathtaking displays, taken during the journeys to and from the Moon.

I'd like to come back to the Apollo page I mentioned earlier, and I quote:
NASA - ESMD

"Truly, moon shadows aren't absolutely black. Sunlight reflected from the moon's gently rounded terrain provides some feeble illumination, as does the Earth itself, which is a secondary source of light in lunar skies. Given plenty of time to adapt, an astronaut could see almost anywhere.

Almost. Consider the experience of Apollo 14 astronauts Al Shepard and Ed Mitchell:

They had just landed at Fra Mauro and were busily unloading the lunar module. Out came the ALSEP, a group of experiments bolted to a pallet. Items on the pallet were held down by "Boyd bolts," each bolt recessed in a sleeve used to guide the Universal Handling Tool, a sort of astronaut's wrench. Shepard would insert the tool and give it a twist to release the bolt--simple, except that the sleeves quickly filled with moondust. The tool wouldn't go all the way in.

The sleeve made its own little shadow, so "Al was looking at it, trying to see inside. And he couldn't get the tool in and couldn't get it released--and he couldn't see it," recalls Mitchell.

"Remember," adds Mitchell, "on the lunar surface there's no air to refract light--so unless you've got direct sunlight, there's no way in hell you can see anything. It was just pitch black. That's an amazing phenomenon on an airless planet."

So the "sunlight reflected from the moon's gently rounded terrain provides some feeble illumination". "Feeble" is defined as "lacking physical strength". How can "feeble" ambient light cause very deep, black shadows, that reduce visibility to almost zero, yet the same "feeble" light was simultaneously able to provide perfect fill-in light? Only because of this highly convenient fill-in light were the astronauts - who only had cameras without viewfinder or any of the other aids we nowadays take for granted - able to take photos any professional photographer would have been proud of.

I think this is a good example for NASAs double-speak. NASA repeatedly wants us to believe in mutually exclusive concepts.

Another example would be the notion that NASA was simultaneously competent and powerful enough to send human beings to the Moon (which, btw, is a natural satellite, not a "planet", as bizarrely claimed by Ed Mitchell, further up) and get them back again, yet didn't have the computer technology or man-power for faking such an event. Or to put it differently, doing the real thing was supposed to have been easier than pretending to do so. That's about as credible as claiming that it is easier to climb Mount Everest, rather than pretending climb it.

As far as I am concerned, the photographic and film record is not consistent with what one would reasonably expect from a true event, yet consistent with an elaborate hoax. The probable reasons for such a hoax are secondary to the underlying argument.
 
musictomyears said:
Another example would be the notion that NASA was simultaneously competent and powerful enough to send human beings to the Moon (which, btw, is a natural satellite, not a "planet", as bizarrely claimed by Ed Mitchell, further up) and get them back again, yet didn't have the computer technology or man-power for faking such an event.

Following that logic, Kubrick's "2001" movie was really a documentary :)

I'm not convinced that they are stars/planets in the first image - if you look at the lunar surface in the background above the rover's seat, you can see a similar spec of light...there's all sorts of 'junk' in that image such as the blue line that runs vertically about 30% in from the right.

What does bother me is the 'haze' on the horizon...decomposing the image using different filters shows what looks like the sky has been air-brushed out. Of course, I'm no image expert, so you can immediately dismiss my observation as 'mistaken'...on second thoughts perhaps it's just jpeg artifacts. Dunno. Ask David B to do some analysis...
 
A few years ago I saw an exhibit on never-before seen photography taken from the moon-landing archives. They had a photo-of-a-photo, wrapped in cellophane, on the Moon's surface of one of the astronauts family. According to the caption he had taken the photograph of his family with him for the express purpose of photographing it on the moon. Obviously, this doesn't prove anything one way or the other, but it did seem kind of like the little detail that someone really going to the moon would do but conspirators, creating a mass of archives to be subsequently released to a private art gallery 40 years later, would overlook. Either way, it makes you think.
 
Rick Deckard said:
Following that logic, Kubrick's "2001" movie was really a documentary :)

I'm not convinced that they are stars/planets in the first image - if you look at the lunar surface in the background above the rover's seat, you can see a similar spec of light...there's all sorts of 'junk' in that image such as the blue line that runs vertically about 30% in from the right.

What does bother me is the 'haze' on the horizon...decomposing the image using different filters shows what looks like the sky has been air-brushed out. Of course, I'm no image expert, so you can immediately dismiss my observation as 'mistaken'...on second thoughts perhaps it's just jpeg artifacts. Dunno. Ask David B to do some analysis...

I am not convinced either that we can see real stars, or planets, in one of the pictures. Whatever the blobs are, it is troublesome that they are visible in one shot, but not in the other. How can three objects appear, and disappear, within seconds? Perhaps there was some clandestine involvement of David Copperfield, somewhere along the line? ;)

With regard to the "haze" you mention, it has been noted that NASA's images almost always feature a suspiciously void horizon. Even the most recent space shuttle images feature the blackest of blackness for a backdrop. This totally contradicts what one would expect from a zero atmosphere environment. Even during the day can we take photos of Venus, for example, using nothing more than a handheld camera. Yet NASA, with all their high-end equipment, continue to capture only - nothingness?

Coming back to the rover photos, I could only guess at why the backgrounds are different. Sometimes I wonder whether NASA didn't have a coherent script when they came up with the Apollo saga. They may have produced lines of photos with, or without, stars. They may have decided to ultimately leave out all stars, but perhaps overlooked a few shots that still contained some. I really don't know.

What looks like "airbrushed out" sky is probably exactly that. There are so many examples for those mysteriously void skies:
http://www.space.gc.ca/asc/img/s115_0918_mr.jpg
APOD: 2005 December 24 - Earthrise
http://www.space.gc.ca/asc/img/s115_0919_mr.jpg
APOD: 2006 April 29 - Skylab Over Earth
APOD: 2005 June 11 - Earth at Twilight
APOD: 2005 April 30 - The Moons of Earth

This is only a random selection of images, which are either directly from NASA or the Canadian Space Agency. There must be hundreds more like that.

One of my favourites is the first image, supposedly showing the Shuttle floating above Earth. I don't know about you, but, to my eyes, the entire image looks like a cut-and-paste job. On one hand, we have Earth with some peculiar atmospheric mist emanating from it. On the other, we have the Shuttle, covered in weak, ambient light. There is a pitch black background. Finally, we can see in the foreground a large, round piece of machinery, which, in terms of texture and distribution of light and shadow, doesn't seem to belong there. The object is much sharper in focus than the Shuttle. In fact, it is so sharp that one could think it was computer generated.
My hunch is that this a composite image, assembled for dramaturgical effect.

Finally, I came across this page:
APOD: 2005 April 12 - Earth or Mars?
Here, NASA shows us how similar the surfaces of Earth and Mars are supposed to be. Or could it be that NASA's Mars images were also taken here on Earth? Wouldn't that also explain the uncanny similarities? The image on the left is Earth, yet the one on the right, we are told, is Mars. The high-res version is here:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0504/earthmars_alves_big.jpg
Again, analyse closely the horizon. Doesn't it just look as if the real sky was replaced with some simple colour gradients, using photoshop?
 
musictomyears said:
One of my favourites is the first image, supposedly showing the Shuttle floating above Earth. I don't know about you, but, to my eyes, the entire image looks like a cut-and-paste job. On one hand, we have Earth with some peculiar atmospheric mist emanating from it.

The 'mist' looks like some sort of reflection (is this image taken from inside the shuttle using an 'ordinary' camera?) - here, I applied a filter to bring it out - i uploaded the image to my own webspace; it may not be there for ever...

http://www.deckard.worldonline.co.uk/images/jpg/shuttle1.jpg

Open the original image and mine in separate browser tabs and flick between the two to get a better idea of what you're looking at. What bothers me about this shuttle image is the 'rectangular' area in the bottom right where empty space should be.

The second image of the earth shot looks ridiculous when applying the same filter - I think I'll play a bit further and post the 'results'...

http://www.deckard.worldonline.co.uk/images/jpg/earth_moon.jpg

Looks like they cut and pasted the eath and moon onto a black background - there's no sign of *any* features in space on that image.

BUT, surely this is just NASA tidying up images for public consumption - they don't put 'raw' data online do they?


There was a *massive* discussion about the Mars Rover pics on abovetopsecret.com - it looked to a lot of people (me included) that NASA was playing around with the red filters on the rover cameras in order to make the Martian sky look red when it could be blue...they were taking pictures using the normal 'blue' and 'green' cameras but were using the infra-red filter instead of the visible red filter when combining the three signal and then they were 'correcting' the red colour once the pics were received back on earth.

I'm still not convinced by the explanation given on AboveTopSecret which concluded that NASA was not distorting the red signals from the camera's after all...

http://www.atsnn.com/marscolors.html
 
Thanks Rick,

Your processed images are very interesting indeed. Yes, that rectangular section at the bottom is most peculiar, it looks like somebody crudely cut and pasted a section of the background. Perhaps this is where one or several stars should have been.

The other shot of "Earth" from "Moon" is ridiculous too, there is no detail in the background whatsoever. No stars at all - and stars are suns, so they are powerful light sources.

Concerning digital cameras and colour filters, I remember exchanging a small number of e-mails with some bigwig at the European Space Agency, shortly after the first images of the Mars Express mission were published. Unfortunately I didn't keep the e-mails, but I remember that this person, who obviously was responsible for image processing at ESA, explained to me in some detail why the green areas in many photos were not indicative of vegetation on Mars (which was my original question). Take a look at this image, for example:

ESA Science & Technology: Reull Vallis

If somebody would have told me that we were looking at an aerial photograph of the river Nile, I guess I would have believed them! I have no reason to doubt that the images were taken when orbiting Mars, but I find the explanations given to me a little strange. Similar to NASA, ESA told me that they were still working on getting the colour calibrations right, and that the green and blue areas on Mars were in no way indicative of life. Strangely, three years later, the images on their web site still look exactly the way they did in 2004, so I am not sure what I am supposed to make of that explanation.

Rather odd is also the reasoning given at the ATSNN site:

"Some people have posed the question, 'why doesn't NASA tell us all this on their site'. The simple response is 'why would they?'. The images shown by NASA are as close to the actual appearance from the surface as they can get. The colors are as true as a hundred million dollars worth of camera and image processing software can get them. As accurate as any digital image can be.

There is simply no point in adding on their site "caution these images are not 100% precisely actual colors" when no digital image is really 'actual colors'. It would just give the conspiracy types more things to panic about.

We can already see for ourselves that the color of the ground and sky shown in the released panoramas is correct. There is no suggestion whatsoever that any modification has been made of the data coming in from Mars."

Earlier on, the author admits that "Quite a big deal has been made of NASA not sending 'True Color' images back from Mars." Yet, a couple of paragraphs later we read: "The colors are as true as a hundred million dollars worth of camera and image processing software can get them. As accurate as any digital image can be." Is that a contradiction, or what? Orwellian double-speak, anybody..? Basically, this article says that NASA shows us the colours they want to show us, and that they have several justifications, waiting to cover any eventuality.

Rather disingenuous I find the statement: "There is simply no point in adding on their site "caution these images are not 100% precisely actual colors" when no digital image is really 'actual colors'. It would just give the conspiracy types more things to panic about." What a bizarre thing to say. Conspiracy theories flourish in the absence of solid information. No individual or institution that displays transparency and openness has ever been accused of conspiracy, because it wouldn't make any sense, would it. To the contrary, only because NASA (and other governmentally funded agencies) insist on treating their audience like children, and evade tough questions, do suspicions grow.
 
Well, my conclusion is that NASA *is* manipulating images but there might be a reasonable explanation for that - to make the images more 'presentable' for the purpose of publication. I've seen various documentaries which do at least show that there is some evidence to suggest that some of the Apollo images were composed after the fact (repositioning of elements, adding in elements, taking elements out, cropping - that sort of manipulation).

Of course, the process of making the images 'more presentable' might include airbrushing out UFOs, structures, vegetation, creatures....;)
 
Well, this is of course a slippery slope. If we were to accept that NASA (and ESA too?) manipulates some of the images, for whatever reason, then how can we ever be sure that anything we see in the images actually occurred? Would we, for example, say: "Right, those black skies, hmmm, they have been airbrushed, and those Moon backgrounds have been rearranged, that surely looks much more presentable now - but, wait, the two astronauts hopping around in space suits are totally real"..?

If NASA were to come clean and tell us where, and why, they manipulated images, at least there would be some basis for an informed debate.
 
musictomyears said:
Well, this is of course a slippery slope. If we were to accept that NASA (and ESA too?) manipulates some of the images, for whatever reason, then how can we ever be sure that anything we see in the images actually occurred? Would we, for example, say: "Right, those black skies, hmmm, they have been airbrushed, and those Moon backgrounds have been rearranged, that surely looks much more presentable now - but, wait, the two astronauts hopping around in space suits are totally real"..?

If NASA were to come clean and tell us where, and why, they manipulated images, at least there would be some basis for an informed debate.

But, that is exactly what I'm getting at - they can never admit that they are manipulating images for exactly those reasons. Everyone will ask "where are they drawing the line" (no pun intended)?
 
Yes, I understand what you are saying. However, should we let NASA get away with this practice, if this is what they are doing? Does image manipulation not undermine their credibility, and invalidate scientific research?

What really amazes me is, how long it takes for new information to filter through. Since March 2000, when the UK UFO Magazine released the "Smoking Gun" videos, do we know exactly what space looks like. We know that one can observe a myriad of stars (as one would expect), and we also know that there are many moving objects. One can debate whether or not some of the moving objects are intelligently controlled, but there is no doubt that space is not an impenetrable, black canvas. NASA is fully aware of the videos, but has never issued a public denial with respect to their authenticity. To all intents and purposes, these videos provide us with an unadulterated view of the universe. I bought the original VHS tapes at the time, but there are also copies for viewing on the net. Here is one:

 
Rick Deckard said:
The video starts "dedicated to Martyn Stubbs" - is he dead?

I don't know. However, at the time of the release of the video, Stubbs was very much alive and gave presentations at the Leeds conference.

He subsequently fell ill, if I remember correctly, with a brain tumour. The same happened to an associate of his, who had been working with Stubbs on the release of the material. His associate died (all this is from memory).
 
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