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Moon Landing is a Fake

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Rick Deckard said:
No, I don't - do you think that everyone who worked on the atom bomb knew they were working on an atom bomb?



In your opinion, is it *possible* that they sent *un-manned* landers - which then put the 'reflective' targets there?
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I just spent some time in California, staying with my very close buddy Andy Neddermeyer. His father, Seth Neddermeyer, was a key member of the Manhattan Project (in fact, I was just holding his Fermi award, given to him by Ronald "who am I?" Reagan, which is in Andy's possession). I've had long talks with Andy about his father's participation in the creation of the bomb, and according to Andy, everyone there was pretty much aware of what they were doing. So as far as the folks who were at the Los Alamos facility, they were in the know. Did the lower-echelon folks at the other facilities know? Probably not. But as far as the moon missions, the suggestion that everyone in the loop was made to cover up some "hoax" is absurd.

And then we have the actual footage from the moon, the astronauts descending from the landers, with the reduced gravity effects. Again, those who suggest that this was all shot on some soundstage, have yet to explain exactly how these effects were done - in realtime, no less - in the late 60s and early 70s. The answer? These guys were walking on the frikkin moon.

dB
 
David Biedny said:
I just spent some time in California, staying with my very close buddy Andy Neddermeyer. His father, Seth Neddermeyer, was a key member of the Manhattan Project (in fact, I was just holding his Fermi award, given to him by Ronald "who am I?" Reagan, which is in Andy's possession). I've had long talks with Andy about his father's participation in the creation of the bomb, and according to Andy, everyone there was pretty much aware of what they were doing. So as far as the folks who were at the Los Alamos facility, they were in the know. Did the lower-echelon folks at the other facilities know? Probably not.
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According to Wikipedia, 130,000 individuals worked on the Manhattan Project - that's one hell of a security risk, so I wonder what percentage were considered the 'lower echelons'?

David Biedny said:
And then we have the actual footage from the moon, the astronauts descending from the landers, with the lowered gravity effects. Again, those who suggest that this was all shot on some soundstage, have yet to explain exactly how these effects were done - in realtime, no less - in the late 60s and early 70s. The answer? These guys were walking on the frikkin moon.
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There's no way to know that the footage was relayed in 'realtime' because the TV camera crews were not allowed a direct NASA feed - they were only allowed to film the single screen in the control centre. It's a third-generation image.
 
bakunin said:
I agree compeletly with that statement. Goverments do decieve the public and have been involved in some of the most atrocious lies over the centuries.
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With bureacratic systems put in place such as the need to know this effectively limits public disclosure of information quite well. In fact it even threatens employees jobs, pensions, lives so and so forth.

So, when you think about it its understandable how information that could threaten the productivity of the most capitalistic society in the world could potentially only be known to those who had a need to know. Which isen't many people by the looks of things.
 
Rick Deckard said:
I don't think the 'non-believers' are saying that they never launched the rockets - they are questioning whether the missions actually left Earth orbit...


...BTW, barometers measure atmospheric pressure. Did you mean seismograph?
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No my friend... barometers. They actually registered changes in air pressure at the launch of a Saturn V. I understand your point. But the US could have faked the landings for alot less money than it took to develop the Saturn. These rockets were never intended for military use. If they were then they would still be in service today. The moon landings happened. I am sure you know that. Whether or not these guys believe is their problem. There are still some who believe the Earth is flat. Nonsense is what it is. Sorry guys, wake up and smell the coffee.
 
I like to play devil's advocate sometimes...helps me work through the arguments...so...

ondafritz said:
No my friend... barometers. They actually registered changes in air pressure at the launch of a Saturn V.
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Wow, really? I'm not saying that I don't believe you, but that's the first time I heard that one. BUT, like I said before, I don't think anyone is saying they faked the launches. Just the journey to the moon and back.

ondafritz said:
I understand your point. But the US could have faked the landings for alot less money than it took to develop the Saturn.
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Well, perhaps they spent the money on something else - $100 toilet seat anyone?

ondafritz said:
These rockets were never intended for military use. If they were then they would still be in service today. The moon landings happened. I am sure you know that.
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Well, I have to accept that - but I do have doubts about some aspects of missions. I also find the 'cagey' behaviour of Armstrong especially interesting. I've seen claims that he's never publicly discussed the landings - I've no idea if that is true. I do find it interesting that all three astronauts from Apollo 11 retired from NASA within 3 years of their return from the moon.

And what's all this talk of missing videos, images, plans...etc - seems like NASA tipped everything into the trash once the Apollo missions ended.

And why haven't they gone back to the moon? Why haven't we got a base there?

ondafritz said:
Whether or not these guys believe is their problem. There are still some who believe the Earth is flat.
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Irony of ironies - research done in the 1990's by a history professor puts the 'flat earth' story in doubt - his findings say that the idea that many people in the middle ages thought the Earth was flat is a myth perpetuated by Washington Irving's publication of "The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus" in 1828 and repeated ever since...
 
pixelsmith said:
David who said "that everyone in the loop was made to cover up some "hoax"" ?
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That agent of disinformation, Gene Steinberg.

It's time to come clean: Gene is an NSA operative, and I work for Don Rumsfeld. The official mission of The Paracast is to spread FUD throughout the land. Toast to Toast covers the inbreds, idiots and morons, and we cover everyone else.

There. The truth is out. There. Somewhere.

dB
 
David Biedny said:
That agent of disinformation, Gene Steinberg.

It's time to come clean: Gene is an NSA operative, and I work for Don Rumsfeld. The official mission of The Paracast is to spread FUD throughout the land. Toast to Toast covers the inbreds, idiots and morons, and we cover everyone else.

There. The truth is out. There. Somewhere.

dB
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Make that Elmer Fudd!
 
All humor aside why do people still even talk about this topic? Sometimes things become obvious to, well, everyone and this should be one of those things. Gez, we went to the moon. The end.
 
cottonzway said:
All humor aside why do people still even talk about this topic?
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Because...

...some...

...people...

...are...

...not...

...convinced...

...that..

...the...

...USA...

...ever...

...landed...

...a...

...man...

...on...

...the...

...moon...




...which is why they want to discuss it - obvious really. :D

Now, if you're convinced that the USA did land a man on the moon, then I suspect that you're contribution to the discussion isn't gonna help any. :D
 
And some people think that Santa is real, and that the Easter Bunny has a harem of little naked bunny babes in Eastern Jerusalem...

I'm two clicks away from closing this thread.

Actually, that's one click. Case closed. See ya on the moon.
 
i believe all it will take to settle some issues is a new moon landing. NASA could easily re enact all issues questioned by just going there again. the moon is so close and easy to get to, why havent we gone there MANY times by now?
 
The moon landing was not a fake. The reason the sky is black is because it was day time on the moon and the film was focusing on the lander and such. See when you take a picture film does not have the same self correcting sensitivity as the human eye. We can see detail on the inside of a cave and what's around it, but if you are taking a picture you either have the choice of having detail in the shadows or detail in the light areas. I know this because I take pictures the old fashioned way and sell them. In fact I can take a picture in the day time and make it look like night with black and white film, its is very simple.
The problem with this conspiracy and most others is the skewed evidence that people present with authority so the average reader looks at and says "hey this guy has a point, look at that" when they are generally just being disingenuous. Question what ever you wish, but search for explanations that are contrary to your opinion not just ones that bolster your own. All claims against the moon landing can be swept aside with experiments you can do yourself. :eek: imagine that... or you can accept horrible astronomy at face value.
 
pixelsmith said:
i believe all it will take to settle some issues is a new moon landing. NASA could easily re enact all issues questioned by just going there again. the moon is so close and easy to get to, why havent we gone there MANY times by now?
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Politics, my friend. In addition, NASA is not interested in proving to a few people that the original moon landings were real. This movement is a minority of a minority.
 
Gene Steinberg said:
Politics, my friend. In addition, NASA is not interested in proving to a few people that the original moon landings were real. This movement is a minority of a minority.
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Well, I posted this in another thread:

...the BBC are a running poll...

BBC Moon Hoax Vote Page

...here are the current totals:

Did we really land on the Moon?

Current results:
Yes (11363 votes) 59.0%
No (7884 votes) 41.0%

To me, that shows that it's *not* a small minority that NASA need to pursuade...
 
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