NOW the Apocalypse has begun in Greece...

[Angel of Ioren]

I'm not worried about the fed, I live in Canada where things are, you know, super awesome.

 

[Paul Kimball]

So we throw the baby out with the bath water? McFadden was not the only one to expose the Fed for what it is then OR now. Feel free to remove McFadden from this equation totally and you still have the Fed ripping off this Nation then and now. It is a planned destruction of this economy and also those over seas.

You undermine your point (such as it is) when you quote from an anti-Semite like McFadden. Nobody said that we had to throw the baby out with the bathwater - do you even read other people's posts before firing back, because I specifically said that this was a separate point from a discussion of the Federal Reserve? Yeesh...

And yes, bingo, the "bingo" being that once again you have demonstrated your willingness to just repeat what you've heard somewhere else when it agrees with what you've been programmed to think, without actually looking at the viability of the source you've quoted.

 

[pixelsmith]

You undermine your point when you quote from an anti-Semite like McFadden. So yes, bingo, the "bingo" being that once again you have demonstrated your willingness to just repeat what you've heard somewhere else when it agrees with what you've been programmed to think, without actually looking at the viability of the source you've quoted.

Ohhh.... my bad. Everything is OK!!! The looting of this Nation and others across the globe is nothing to worry about!!! YAY!!! The global financial crisis is simply a conspiracy theory. Damn.... it seems so real!

I could care less about McFadden's religious views. My point is directed at the CAUSE of the "apocalypse" going on in Greece and around the world.

Paul, do you think it is normal to bail out large private banks with billions of dollars so they can give it to their anonymous off shore cronies?



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Here are a couple quotes from other people in reference to the Fed and the global banks. As you can see, some of the quotes are from the perpetraitors

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." -- Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws."-- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States." -- Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AZ)

"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce." -- James A. Garfield, President of the United States

"Banks lend by creating credit. (ledger-entry credit, monetized debt) They create the means of payment out of nothing." -- Ralph M. Hawtrey, Secretary of the British Treasury

"To expose a 15 Trillion dollar ripoff of the American people by the stockholders of the 1000 largest corporations over the last 100 years will be a tall order of business." -- Buckminster Fuller

"Every Congressman, every Senator knows precisely what causes inflation...but can't, [won't] support the drastic reforms to stop it [repeal of the Federal Reserve Act] because it could cost him his job." -- Robert A. Heinlein, Expanded Universe

"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." -- Henry Ford

"The regional Federal Reserve banks are not government agencies. ...but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations." -- Lewis vs. United States, 680 F. 2d 1239 9th Circuit 1982

"We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it." -- Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)

"The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the International bankers." -- Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa)

"Some [Most] people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government's institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign swindlers." -- Congressional Record 12595-12603 -- Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency (12 years) June 10, 1932

"[Every circulating FRN] represents a one dollar debt to the Federal Reserve system." -- Money Facts, House Banking and Currency Committee

"...the increase in the assets of the Federal Reserve banks from 143 million dollars in 1913 to 45 billion dollars in 1949 went directly to the private stockholders of the [federal reserve] banks." -- Eustace Mullins

"As soon as Mr. Roosevelt took office, the Federal Reserve began to buy government securities at the rate of ten million dollars a week for 10 weeks, and created one hundred million dollars in new [checkbook] currency, which alleviated the critical famine of money and credit, and the factories started hiring people again." -- Eustace Mullins

"By this means government may secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people, and not one man in a million will detect the theft." -- British Lord John Maynard Keynes (the father of 'Keynesian Economics' which our nation now endures) in his book "THE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES OF THE PEACE" (1920).

"These 12 corporations together cover the whole country and monopolize and use for private gain every dollar of the public currency..." -- Mr. Crozier of Cincinnati, before Senate Banking and Currency Committee - 1913

"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world-- no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." -- President Woodrow Wilson

"We are completely dependant on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system.... It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon." -- Robert H. Hamphill, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank

"The Federal Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities..." -- Lewis vs. United States 9th Circuit 1992

"The Federal Reserve banks, while not part of the government,..." -- United States budget for 1991 and 1992 part 7, page 10

"The Federal Reserve bank buys government bonds without one penny..." -- Congressman Wright Patman, Congressional Record, Sept 30, 1941

"The Federal Reserve system pays the U.S. Treasury 020.60 per thousand notes -- a little over 2 cents each-- without regard to the face value of the note. Federal Reserve Notes, incidentally, are the only type of currency now produced for circulation. They are printed exclusively by the Treasury's Bureau of Engraving and Printing, and the $20.60 per thousand price reflects the Bureau's full cost of production. Federal Reserve Notes are printed in 01, 02, 05, 10, 20, 50, and 100 dollar denominations only; notes of 500, 1000, 5000, and 10,000 denominations were last printed in 1945." -- Donald J. Winn, Assistant to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve system

"Neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities, intrinsically, a 'dollar' bill is just a piece of paper. Deposits are merely book entries." -- Modern Money Mechanics Workbook, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, 1975

"This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President [Wilson} signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill." -- Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. , 1913

"From now on, depressions will be scientifically created." -- Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. , 1913

"The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That Board administers the finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group. The system is Private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money" -- Charles A. Lindbergh Sr., 1923

"The [Federal Reserve Act] as it stands seems to me to open the way to a vast inflation of the currency... I do not like to think that any law can be passed that will make it possible to submerge the gold standard in a flood of irredeemable paper currency." -- Henry Cabot Lodge Sr., 1913

"When you or I write a check there must be sufficient funds in our account to cover the check, but when the Federal Reserve writes a check there is no bank deposit on which that check is drawn. When the Federal Reserve writes a check, it is creating money." -- Putting it simply, Boston Federal Reserve Bank

"There is a distinction between a 'debt discharged' and a debt 'paid'. When discharged, the debt still exists though divested of it's charter as a legal obligation during the operation of the discharge, something of the original vitality of the debt continues to exist, which may be transfered, even though the transferee takes it subject to it's disability incident to the discharge." -- Stanek vs. White, 172 Minn.390, 215 N.W. 784

"I have never seen more Senators express discontent with their jobs....I think the major cause is that, deep down in our hearts, we have been accomplices in doing something terrible and unforgivable to our wonderful country. Deep down in our heart, we know that we have given our children a legacy of bankruptcy. We have defrauded our country to get ourselves elected." -- John Danforth (R-Mo)

"Capital must protect itself in every way...Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied by the central power of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd." -- Taken from the Civil Servants' Year Book, "The Organizer" January 1934.

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.

"If Congress has the right [it doesn't] to issue paper money [currency], it was given to them to be used by...[the government] and not to be delegated to individuals or corporations." -- President Andrew Jackson, Vetoed Bank Bill of 1836

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance." -- James Madison

"Should government refrain from regulation (taxation), the worthlessness of the money becomes apparent and the FRAUD can no longer be concealed." -- British Lord John Maynard Keynes (the father of 'Keynesian Economics' which our nation now endures) in his book "THE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES OF THE PEACE" (1920).

"But if in the pursuit of the means we should unfortunately stumble again on unfunded paper money or any similar species of fraud, we shall assuredly give a fatal stab to our national credit in its infancy. Paper money will invariably operate in the body of politics as spirit liquors on the human body. They prey on the vitals and ultimately destroy them. Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice." -- George Washington in a letter to Jabez Bowen, Rhode Island, Jan. 9, 1787

 

[CapnG]

I'm not worried about the fed, I live in Canada where things are, you know, super awesome.

Well at the very least we aren't arguing about the legitimacy of the Canadian Mint or the Bank of Canada...

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Well at the very least we aren't arguing about the legitimacy of the Canadian Mint or the Bank of Canada...

It also helps that loans and mortgages were not handed out like candies in Canada.

 

[pixelsmith]

Paul have you ever heard of the Independent Treasury Act of 1920?
Our Congress turned the Treasury Department of the United States government over to a private corporation, which when seen in its true light, is a fascist monopolistic cartel called the Federal Reserve, AND their agents. The bulk of the ownership of the Federal Reserve System, a very well kept secret from the American Citizen, is held by these banking interests, and NONE is held by the United States Treasury:

Rothschild Bank of London
Rothschild Bank of Berlin
Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Lazard Brothers of Paris
Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
Goldman, Sachs of New York
Lehman Brothers of New York
Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York

The Federal Reserve is at the root of most of our present statutory regulations, "laws", in the control and regulation of virtually all aspects of human activity in the United States, through successively socialistic constructions laid upon the Commerce clause of the Constitution. Basically, the Federal Reserve is the "STATE" of the United States.

Information at the link below should be required reading for every person on Earth.
www(dot)barefootsworld(dot)net/usfraud.html

 

[pixelsmith]

a repeat question: Paul have you ever heard of the Independent Treasury Act of 1920? Or is your programming interfering with the question?

 

[Paul Kimball]

a repeat question: Paul have you ever heard of the Independent Treasury Act of 1920? Or is your programming interfering with the question?

I have nothing more to say to you. You're beyond reasonable, rational discussion. You ignore points others make, particularly when it involves evidence of something that runs counter to what you believe. Instead, you just plow ahead, listening to your own "voice." You're exactly the kind of easily-led person that all demagogues have used over the centuries for their own ends, full of anger, and fear. Fortunately your ability to influence the body politic is somewhere between nil and zero.

If others want to continue to enagage you, that's fine. But I get nothing from it other than a feeling of sadness, that there are still people like you out there who have no self-awareness about what they represent. You are now the only person I've ever added to my ignore list.

Best of luck to you.

 

[pixelsmith]

I have nothing more to say to you. You're beyond reasonable, rational discussion. You ignore points others make, particularly when it involves evidence of something that runs counter to what you believe. Instead, you just plow ahead, listening to your own "voice." You're exactly the kind of easily-led person that all demagogues have used over the centuries for their own ends, full of anger, and fear. Fortunately your ability to influence the body politic is somewhere between nil and zero.

If others want to continue to enagage you, that's fine. But I get nothing from it other than a feeling of sadness, that there are still people like you out there who have no self-awareness about what they represent. You are now the only person I've ever added to my ignore list.

Best of luck to you.

Paul, Thanks for your reply.
I may not comment on every point but I do read them. Your lack of continuing this polite dialogue shows to all here that it is you that ignores valid points because they goes against your own beliefs. Rather than engage in something you are unfamiliar with you choose to take flight. I am not full of anger, I am quite the opposite in fact. I do not care to influence any one, I only desire that people do their own research and not accept what is shoved down their throats.

I politely asked a very simple question in order to find out if you really know what you are talking about... I think I have my answer.

Cheers.

 

[Roro]

I read the post that started this and expected a discussion about frogs and got Alex Jones, Global Warming, The Fed, etc.
I sense some tension.

 

[1stEarthBattalion]

We need to support each other, it is this kind of fragmentation and fighting withour brothers that the state relish. They deserve our directed anger for leaving us destitute while they fiddle with Nero as our homes burn.

I blame them for not providing clear information for us to debate because we know they were on the take. Here in the UK the pigs have had their snouts pulled from the expenses trough and they have shown no remorse - all were on the take, even Gordan brown had to pay back more money he pilfered in one year than a family on benefits recieve and yet there are no dedicated departments seeking to squeeze the life blood out of him.

The people of greece did not rise up because they liked violence it was because they felt cheated. We must start shouting with one voice against this injustice and hold them to account and not snap at each other.

I hear that you are starting to give obama a hard time about the oil slick but I am glad he is standing up for the people and not allowing the corporation to get away scot free by raising the first of many fines against them.

Send him messages of support on this as he is being a leader of people and good feedback will provide him strength when the old guard are trying to wear him down.

Obama if your reading this - stay strong, believe in your family, keep America strong, wipe out apathy, empower all the people of America to be what they can dream to be through hard work without the explotation of others, and try to talk straight without trying to sound big using huge words your the president and do not have to prove anything anymore.

 

[pixelsmith]

I read the post that started this and expected a discussion about frogs and got Alex Jones, Global Warming, The Fed, etc.
I sense some tension.

No tension here! The world wide economic failure is no accident. Socialists/Marxists will have you believe otherwise. They rarely discuss it as evidenced above.

Cheers! :0)

 

[Roro]

Pixelsmith has probably already posted this, it's my favorite Jefferson quote.

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

 

[Paul Kimball]

Pixelsmith has probably already posted this, it's my favorite Jefferson quote.

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

Yes, but if not private banks then what, exactly? That's the question that anti-Fed types always have trouble answering, because they never seem to want the only logical alternative, a government-run central bank, like we have here in Canada. But to most of the anti-Feds that I've talked to, they're just as vehemently opposed to a true government central bank ("communism" they yell) as they are the Fed.

And round and round they go...

As for Jefferson, he was just ticked off that the banks wouldn't loan him money to buy more slaves.

 

[pixelsmith]

We should not let private banks control our economy and allow them print money out of line air with nothing to back it. The banksters are destroying the economy of nearly every Nation on the planet. People (like Paul) do not realize that is is literally impossible to pay them back. Thus, people (like Paul) will rejoice when all Nations finally fail (as they are right now) and a new world order becomes reality.

 

[1stEarthBattalion]

To pull this back to the original thread.

The Ancient ones are coming back in 2012 from planet Niburu where we have to fulfill their demand for gold (now you know why the price is so high) or they will cause a deluge or launch some bombs as they did in biblical times.

Read Zecharia Sitchin http://www.sitchin.com/#2012_symposium take on the end of days, it is facinating especially about Marduk and building spaceports.

Has anyone seen a 12th planet?

Seriously it is a good read especially if your up on the bible version of history.

 

[CapnG]

To pull this back to the original thread.

The Ancient ones are coming back in 2012 from planet Niburu where we have to fulfill their demand for gold (now you know why the price is so high) or they will cause a deluge or launch some bombs as they did in biblical times.

Read Zecharia Sitchin http://www.sitchin.com/#2012_symposium take on the end of days, it is facinating especially about Marduk and building spaceports.

Has anyone seen a 12th planet?

Seriously it is a good read especially if your up on the bible version of history.

Are you joking?

Is he joking?

I seriously can't tell anymore...

 

[1stEarthBattalion]

Are you joking?

Is he joking?

I seriously can't tell anymore...

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I was asked when the 2012 hysteria first started why does the Mayan calendar end when it does. Could it not be just a simple answer that it just fitted a certain size of tablet so a poor scribe could finish the task and go home.

There is also the 2032 date when the Mayans are supposed to return so the end is not so nigh.

 

[Roro]

Yes, but if not private banks then what, exactly? That's the question that anti-Fed types always have trouble answering, because they never seem to want the only logical alternative, a government-run central bank, like we have here in Canada.

The constitutional thing (the legal thing) would be a government bank. "Congress shall have the Power to Coin Money and Regulate the Value Thereof." However, the crux of the problem is usury (interest). What is not logical is a debt based monetary system where far more money is owed to the banks than is in circulation. It really isn't a matter of what's logical. The system serves the purposes of the rich and powerful. Interest is evil, the world is dominated by evil, so we have an evil monetary system.

Deuteronomy 12:19 (NIV)

<SUP id=en-NIV-5520 class=versenum>19</SUP> Do not charge your brother interest, whether on money or food or anything else that may earn interest.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

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I was asked when the 2012 hysteria first started why does the Mayan calendar end when it does. Could it not be just a simple answer that it just fitted a certain size of tablet so a poor scribe could finish the task and go home.

There is also the 2032 date when the Mayans are supposed to return so the end is not so nigh.

For the Mayans to return that would mean that they would have left; they're still here, living happily on the Yucatan Peninsula. I actually met a few on my Honeymoon - I even have video evidence.
Don't worry about 2012. I'm more worried about 2015, when we catch up to Back to the Future II and we still don't have flying cars and hover boards. That movie will seem absolutely bizarre to my daughter when she's old enough to see it.