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Paracast bounces back with Marcel Jnr & listener Mike! - Sun 16th, Nov. 2008

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Gareth

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Nothin' to see here
Super great show this week. IMO there was no need to bounce back as the last few weeks have been fine, but I know some have been complaining.

Marcel Jnr is just fascinating to listen to. It was cool hearing David question him, you could hear that David was just getting one question after another after another pop into his head. I imagine Id be the same way around Jesse too.

As far as the suit Jesse met from the NSA, I only see 2 possible options. 1) He was giving Jesse disinformation knowing that Jesse would speak publicly about it. For this option to make sense youd think that it was done to decieve and turn the public away from something even more secret that potentially crashed at Roswell. Seems unlikely. 2) As David or Gene said, it was done as a way of forcing some higher-ups hand, because there are conflicting interests even within elite national security circles. I definitely think its the latter.

And Mike, fascinating stuff man. Hopefully you end up on another episode in the future...


one last thing though, and David Im not expecting you to answer or address this.... but the way you said you wont "acknowledge abduction experiences" just sounded kinda fishy. It seems to me you chose very specific words there. Just found it interesting is all.
 
I agree, this was a good one. Jesse Jr. counts as a primary source - and we have precious few of those for Roswell. His book will definitely be on my shopping list once I have a reliable income again.
Mike's observation about the syncronicities between people who are beginning to discuss their experiences now (I hope I remembered that bit correctly) was very thought provoking, It'll be interesting to see the results of the questionnaire.
 
I also found this weeks show to be top notch. After hearing numerous Dr. Marcel interviews over the past few years this one has to rank up there with the best. I have heard him mention the meeting with the NSA officer in other interviews, but to my frustration no interviewer has ever asked him for more information about it. I also found Dr. Marcel’s insight and opinions on the Iraq war to be informative and emotional. Excellent interview A+++

The second part was also interesting. I love how Gene and David include their audience as part of the show. I love the new UFO magazine commercial that was ninja’d into the second hour too. “We know We know, you can read minds because you’re physic.”
Pure Gold~

 
Gareth said:
Super great show this week. IMO there was no need to bounce back as the last few weeks have been fine, but I know some have been complaining.

Marcel Jnr is just fascinating to listen to. It was cool hearing David question him, you could hear that David was just getting one question after another after another pop into his head. I imagine Id be the same way around Jesse too.

As far as the suit Jesse met from the NSA, I only see 2 possible options. 1) He was giving Jesse disinformation knowing that Jesse would speak publicly about it. For this option to make sense youd think that it was done to decieve and turn the public away from something even more secret that potentially crashed at Roswell. Seems unlikely. 2) As David or Gene said, it was done as a way of forcing some higher-ups hand, because there are conflicting interests even within elite national security circles. I definitely think its the latter.

And Mike, fascinating stuff man. Hopefully you end up on another episode in the future...


one last thing though, and David Im not expecting you to answer or address this.... but the way you said you wont "acknowledge abduction experiences" just sounded kinda fishy. It seems to me you chose very specific words there. Just found it interesting is all.
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Have to agree Gareth it was a good interview, just after to fully listening to it now. I have another theory, but it might not be any good, since i only thought of it barely half a hour ago.

Yes you mentioned disinformation, but was the disinformation designed to further the cause of the nut and bolts theory behind Roswell.They were hopeing Jesse woul go on promoteing his theory that they were only "ETs"
from another solar system but infact they are not?

edit i think you kind of had the same idea that i had.
 
Awesome show,guys! I could identify with what Jesse Marcel was saying about how his dad (and people of that generation) were very loyal to guarding the secrecy of their duties and events.

Interesting that the NSA meeting didn't tell him not to say anything.....

And Mike, Thanks for sharing your story, too! Fascinating, to say the least!!!
 
Fcseven said:
but to my frustration no interviewer has ever asked him for more information about it. I also found Dr. Marcel’s insight and opinions on the Iraq war to be informative and emotional. Excellent interview A+++
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Nail on the head, for me this show asks the questions I would ask if i were sitting around the table with the guest, having a couple of coldies and chewin the fat (nasty habit that).

i as always enjoyed the show....but

some of the answers left me distinctly "unsatisfied" i wont go into specifics, but i know you know what im talking about

that aside Mr Streiber is also offering autographed books too, from an investment pov do you think autographed copys are "worth more money" and why ?
is the premise that at some stage in the future when this has all been proven "real" these items will be able to be sold for more than the un autographed ones.and do you think the "market" for these items is/will be a large one ?
 
mike said:
that aside Mr Streiber is also offering autographed books too, from an investment pov do you think autographed copys are "worth more money" and why? is the premise that at some stage in the future when this has all been proven "real" these items will be able to be sold for more than the un autographed ones.and do you think the "market" for these items is/will be a large one ?
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I've worked in libraries and bookstores my entire career and am a UFO book collector, if that lends any credence (maybe not). My take on autographs is that they may slightly enhance the value of a popular book, if it is otherwise in excellent shape, but not all that much. Paradoxically, an autograph made out to an individual is worth less than a generic autograph. For example, an autograph that says, "To Mike and his lovely wife Pat. My regards, Joe Blow" is worth less than just a plain autograph. The idea is that the buyer will not appreciate the personalization when it isn't him. The big money in autographs is in really famous people: sports and Presidents, and not so much with people who had minor roles in an event.

That's not to say they aren't kinda cool to have and show around, but they aren't in any sense a wealth-builder, either for author or owner. I paid an extra dollar for Stan Friedman's autograph. Thanks, Stan.
 
I am really curious about the government 'agent' who interviewed Marcel. The idea that he is a disinformation agent is possible, of course, but I doubt it. The idea that he is NSA isn't working for me either. NSA is totally about communications, interpretation and translation, encryption--that sort of stuff. Of course they could have 'branched out' beyond their charter, so it's not impossible.

The fact that he pointed to (and had) one of Strieber's novels on hand strikes me as strange as well. We know that some Presidents like Clinton wanted to find out about UFOs but were stalled. In fact, one poster here has a signature line to that effect with a Clinton quote. What if the scenario is more like this:

Clinton or Bush wanted to know more. He assigned a few people to the task of finding out. They were continually stonewalled, but found out enough to know 'something' happened, this agent being one of those people. Now this agent isn't superman and he isn't tied in everywhere. He's just like you and me. He's read a few books, seen a couple of movies, and maybe he's plugged in enough to some of his buddies to have had some interviews with a few folks who gave him some intriguing ideas. He's also come across the idea that people who know are under threat and may be eliminated if their stories start to have legs.

So he does a tit for tat interview. He wants to learn Marcel's story in depth, because this may dovetail with the other information he has. Analyzing intelligence works this way--small pieces fit together. In return, he offers Marcel some sense of protection. To the real keepers of the secret, this story is just about dead. Give it a few more years and it will be, as Gene & David have repeatedly expressed, the stuff of legend. For Marcel to tell this story now, 60 years after the fact, is kind of like the author of the Gospel of Mark proclaiming Jesus' miracles over half a century after the fact. Did he even exist? To believers, of course, but to anyone else the story is by its very nature unprovable.
 
can someone help me with some numbers please

Dr Marcel says he was 11 when he handled this stuff

he was born in 1938,

roswell was 1947


he would have been 9 not 11

have i missed something ?
 
mike said:
can someone help me with some numbers please.
Dr Marcel says he was 11 when he handled this stuff. he was born in 1938, roswell was 1947. he would have been 9 not 11 have i missed something?
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I just checked 'The Roswell Legacy' and he definitely said he was 11 in 1947. When you look at his web site he said he was born in 1938. However, if you look further down, he says,

"During his career in the National Guard, he was appointed State Surgeon of the State of Montana and retired from the military the second time in August of 1996 on his 60th birthday. The Iraqi war required him to be called back to active duty in October of 2004 shortly after his 68th birthday."

I think this is a simple typo and that he was born in 1936, not 1938.
 
Fcseven said:
I I love the new UFO magazine commercial that was ninja’d into the second hour too. “We know We know, you can read minds because you’re physic.”
Pure Gold~
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Me too...I got a chuckle (and Feelings Of Unaccustomed Benevolence) out of hearing him poke fun at his own irritating public persona - I usually mute the volume when that ad comes on or mutter things like "psychic my arse", so it was nice to get a laugh (not a belly-laugh obviously, but a decent snigger) out of it instead.
 
So Im surprised no one else has brought this up? What did everyone else think of Marcel's response to Davids questions about the sourcing of these 'visitors'?

I wasnt surprised at all to be honest. I got the impression that Marcel had not even been aware of an alternative to the ETH, LET ALONE be a subscriber to alternate theory. Its just the generation I guess, for him and others of his general age bracket I think the only possible option would be extraterrestial.

I was hoping David was going to float some theories to Marcel, like interdimensional or cryptoterrestrial. Would have been fascinating to hear his reactions :D

Cryto-what!?
 
I'd like to say that this was a great show, and the paracast is back with a bang!
One of the best episodes in a long time.

Just one comment on the show, I felt David was kind of giving us contradictory opinions. Whilst rounding up the Jesse Marcel section, he stated that Jesse is highly trustworthy (I agree) and that his memory is unlikely to be at fault because (I paraphrase) "you don't forget that kind of thing when you ar 13".
Then when rounding up Mikes section we repeatedly get told that you can't remember too much details in those sorts of events and "you arent supposed to".... it all got a bit confusing!!!

Personally I think there's no way Jesse could remember such detail accurately without it having a high chance of being distorted. Also I find it very strange that he didnt run around telling his friends that he had seen a piece of alien rubble.

Great show tho guys.... thanks
 
Hoffmeister said:
Then when rounding up Mikes section we repeatedly get told that you can't remember too much details in those sorts of events and "you arent supposed to".... it all got a bit confusing!!!
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I think they were speaking primarily about the esoteric stuff there.

As far as Jesse not telling his friends.... I know this gets thrown around a lot, but it really was a different time. They had more respect for the military and government back then. Also they lived out on a remote farm, and its likely the Marcel Snr was Marcel Jnrs hero, and he would do anything and everything he was told by him.

The memory thing... for me the one and only question that matters is this: what is the chance that Jesse could have mistook that debris for something unknown when it was actually the mogul balloon materials?

But you say that you find it hard to believe that Jesse could remember back that far without any distortion, I completely agree! But Jesse really isnt gving lots of detailed descriptions here. His one and only 'smoking gun' recollection from the night is the engravings/symbols. For Jesse to remember them the way he does... its highly unlikely that he would have distorted flowers etched in wood for what he actually describes. Its just too different.

Thats my take on in it anyway.

Im curious: has your stance that Roswell really was a Mogul balloon wavered at all? (Ive always found it hard to understand why you are so sure it was mogul when Jesse Snr himself admitted that the air force changed the debris/material for the photo! Why would they do that? So mogul was top secret... balloon debris is balloon debirs - in all those little pieces no one is going to know that its a top secret balloon project anyway).
 
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