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DamnDirtyApe
Skilled Investigator
That reptilian stuff has got to top the list of the most ludicrous aspects of the UFO world.
For whatever reason, that meme has spread everywhere.. even MMA and weightlifting forums I visit. Seems the sillier that stuff gets, the more widely it spreads.
The paranormal is so hopelessly drowned in a sea of bullshit, charlatans, and utter stupidity it's hard to imagine anything ever coming of it unless there was outright in your face, direct and widespread contact coming from "their" side.
I know the motto of this show is "separating signal from noise" but man that is one Sisyphean task with guys like Icke running around sucking the oxygen out of the room.
For whatever reason, that meme has spread everywhere.. even MMA and weightlifting forums I visit. Seems the sillier that stuff gets, the more widely it spreads.
The paranormal is so hopelessly drowned in a sea of bullshit, charlatans, and utter stupidity it's hard to imagine anything ever coming of it unless there was outright in your face, direct and widespread contact coming from "their" side.
I know the motto of this show is "separating signal from noise" but man that is one Sisyphean task with guys like Icke running around sucking the oxygen out of the room.
urkotic
Hopeful Monster
...
I hate to say it but that pretty much sums up how I've come to feel after spending a lot of time with paranormal-themed podcasts, blogs and forums over the past 18 months or so. And yet here I am.
Look at that Michael Salla repeating a Bill Knell yarn business from a week or so ago... or the two Georgia Bigfoot Tracker guys still promoting themselves as having a body. These claims (hopes? beliefs?) are like the Roadrunner, you can drop as many anvils on them as you like, they just continue to pop up.
I still like to hear of individal's experiences; I'm not (and probably never will be) at 100% that it's all hoaxes, wishful thinking, delusions, or creative interpretation of sights and sounds. I believe there are sincere reports among all the sucker-bait. But it does seem that the more time I spend with the topic, the more sour I become.
So hey there's a little unasked for 'disclosure' for you, perhaps all we'll ever get.
DamnDirtyApe
Skilled Investigator
For a lot of people the paranormal is a full on religious belief system or like a weird dysfunctional marriage with an abusive or alcoholic husband- no matter how many times the wife gets beat up, they keep going back for more abuse due to some misguided inner hope or self delusion. That's sort of how I feel at this point - even though my rational self knows that story X is going to pan out to be a disappointment, I can't help but keep coming back to the subject with a spark of inner hope that says "well.. maybe just this once it might be different.." Pathetic, I know..
Not unless I have an actual experience myself could I be convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt.
spacebrother
Greg Bishop
Re: My interviews with Ray Stanford and his claims and the seeming "pass" I give him:
I'm not going to be the audience's bullshit detector. If people can't figure this out for themselves, it's not my job to tell them how to think. I give listeners more credit than that. I'm not in this primarily to make the audience "happy." I'm doing it to give me a chance to talk to some interesting people with good, bad, or ridiculous stories, claims, and ideas. If I think they're interesting, they're going to be on my show. Point me to another interview with Ray Stanford. I don't think that any exist. To me, that's valuable in itself. Make of his claims what you will, but he's been around the subject since almost the beginning. That counts for something in my book.
As I said in another post, I usually don't hardball guests unless they get belligerent with the simplest of questions, like "What evidence led you to that opinion?" or "How did you come to that conclusion?" The audience can judge based on the guest's own words, not any attempts by me to back them into a corner. I will not attack unless attacked first.
If I had the chance to interview old contactees, I'd do it, and I'd let them go on about their space brothers or whatever as long as it was interesting. I'm interested in how the subject affects people and the range of opinion as well as any so-called "answer" to the mystery. My guests have ranged from Jim Moseley to Pamela Stonebrooke. Ira Einhorn to ghost hunter Richard Senate. Bill Moore to Scott Corrales. I've even had shows on paragliding, theories of comedy, and weird music. One of my favorite episodes was an interview with countercultural icon Paul Krassner which was conducted on September 16th of 2001. Krassner made some very prescient remarks about the "homeland security" situation. Perhaps I look on the show as a sort of document rather than social criticism.
I'd like to think that some people have as much fun listening to the shows as I have doing them. The shows are always done live. I don't like pre-recording because to me, it takes some of the spontaneity out of the mix. Yes, I edit the shows before posting them, but it's just to take out long pauses, some "Um"s and "Uh"s , technical problems in the studio and to adjust the audio to acceptable levels.
If you listen live (Sundays 8-10PM PST at killradio,org) you can hear the "unexpurgated" versions. Sometimes I don't like what was talked about on the show, or it's just a mess, so they don't get posted. My music shows are rarely posted, unless I really like them.
I hope the Paracast will interview Ray Stanford. I'd really like to hear David and Gene's approach.
"Dirty Ape" made a remark that sums up my feelings on UFO "disclosure" or any sort of revelation: It seems that it will be up to the phenomenon itself for that timetable. We probably have little or no control over it.
I'm not going to be the audience's bullshit detector. If people can't figure this out for themselves, it's not my job to tell them how to think. I give listeners more credit than that. I'm not in this primarily to make the audience "happy." I'm doing it to give me a chance to talk to some interesting people with good, bad, or ridiculous stories, claims, and ideas. If I think they're interesting, they're going to be on my show. Point me to another interview with Ray Stanford. I don't think that any exist. To me, that's valuable in itself. Make of his claims what you will, but he's been around the subject since almost the beginning. That counts for something in my book.
As I said in another post, I usually don't hardball guests unless they get belligerent with the simplest of questions, like "What evidence led you to that opinion?" or "How did you come to that conclusion?" The audience can judge based on the guest's own words, not any attempts by me to back them into a corner. I will not attack unless attacked first.
If I had the chance to interview old contactees, I'd do it, and I'd let them go on about their space brothers or whatever as long as it was interesting. I'm interested in how the subject affects people and the range of opinion as well as any so-called "answer" to the mystery. My guests have ranged from Jim Moseley to Pamela Stonebrooke. Ira Einhorn to ghost hunter Richard Senate. Bill Moore to Scott Corrales. I've even had shows on paragliding, theories of comedy, and weird music. One of my favorite episodes was an interview with countercultural icon Paul Krassner which was conducted on September 16th of 2001. Krassner made some very prescient remarks about the "homeland security" situation. Perhaps I look on the show as a sort of document rather than social criticism.
I'd like to think that some people have as much fun listening to the shows as I have doing them. The shows are always done live. I don't like pre-recording because to me, it takes some of the spontaneity out of the mix. Yes, I edit the shows before posting them, but it's just to take out long pauses, some "Um"s and "Uh"s , technical problems in the studio and to adjust the audio to acceptable levels.
If you listen live (Sundays 8-10PM PST at killradio,org) you can hear the "unexpurgated" versions. Sometimes I don't like what was talked about on the show, or it's just a mess, so they don't get posted. My music shows are rarely posted, unless I really like them.
I hope the Paracast will interview Ray Stanford. I'd really like to hear David and Gene's approach.
"Dirty Ape" made a remark that sums up my feelings on UFO "disclosure" or any sort of revelation: It seems that it will be up to the phenomenon itself for that timetable. We probably have little or no control over it.
urkotic
Hopeful Monster
Again, this speaks to me. I keep proclaiming I've gotten really skeptical, then let myself get irritated with seemingly crazy stuff or BS artists, or let down when I decide some possible 'new hope' is a mirage. Some skeptic.
bobheck
Disco still sucks.
If this is the same Ray Stanford (edit: AND this is all true), I say he is a Bill Knell clone -- total BS. Beware. I know that anybody can post anything, but still, lots of caution flags here.
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Here are the links:
http://dml.cmnh.org/1999Feb/msg00188.html (Part 1)
http://dml.cmnh.org/1999Feb/msg00101.html (Part 2)
=======================================
I will post text below:
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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 [email protected] wrote:
Ray Stanford, Time Travel, and Dinosaur Footprints (Part 1 of 2) (LONG)
[This posting is in two parts, both being sent to the list server at the same
time. Please read this part before reading Part Two, which is titled, "Ray
Stanford, Claimed Alien Contacts, and Credentialing Issues."]
INTRODUCTION: Over the past year, several list members have in postings
mildly raised questions about certain opinions or associations of Maryland
dino footprint collector Ray Stanford. Stanford has generally responded with
sarcastic comments and demands that certain subjects immediately be
dropped. I believe that the information below is pertinent to evaluating some
of the statements that Mr. Stanford has made in certain postings over the past
year. Specific documents referred to below can be requested by e-mailing me
off list.
"ASTONISHING" COLLECTION: Stanford's remarkable success in
locating dinosaur footprints in Maryland was the subject of a feature story in
the BALTIMORE SUN on June 4, 1998 [also printed in the DETROIT
NEWS (Error 404: File not found.
BALTIMORE SUN science writer Frank D. Roylance wrote that Stanford
"has amassed an astonishing collection of early Cretaceous footprints of
dinosaurs and flying reptiles." In just four years, Stanford, described as an
"admitted 'total amateur' paleontologist" has "found more than 150 prints of
up to a dozen species -- several new -- in a region where teeth and bones had
hinted at barely four," the Sun reported.
TIME TRAVEL? No doubt many students of dinosaurs have fantasied about
how wonderful it would be to travel back in time and actually see those
magnificent creatures in their native environments. But in years past, Ray
Stanford proposed to take time travel outside the realm of science fiction.
For years, Stanford promoted the construction of a machine he called "the
Hilarion Accelerator" that would, he suggested, allow a living human body to
be physically transported back in time.
If that really were possible, paleontologists would be standing in line to
make
the trip, right? Don't you want to know more?
PREVIOUS CAREER: The SUN article did not mention Stanford's previous
career, primarily in the 1970s, as the leader of the Association for the
Understanding of Man (AUM). AUM was an organization with a national
membership, headquartered in Austin, Texas. I have access to a sizeable
private collection of literature dealing with what might be called
"unconventional" religious (or quasi-religious) groups. This collection
includes a substantial body of printed and taped material by Stanford, much
of it published by AUM.
The central focus of AUM was the content of Stanford's so-called "psychic
readings." It is necessary to briefly explain this "psychic reading" line of
work. After entering a purported "unconscious" or trance state, Stanford
would give long discourses on diverse subjects, with tape recorders running.
Some of these discourses were attributed to "the Source," identified as "the
unconscious and superconscious mind and spiritual being of Stanford," an
intelligence credited by Stanford's followers with wide-ranging clairvoyant
and precognitive powers.
However, on many other occasions, "voices other than that of the Source
speak through the unconscious Stanford . . . speaking in various accents and
inflections," as a 1977 AUM membership solicitation explained. These
voices were identified as exalted spiritual beings, members of an ethereal
association called the "White Brotherhood," archangels, and even Jesus
Christ himself -- all speaking courtesy of Stanford's "borrowed" vocal cords,
of course. Some of these "Brothers" identified themselves as members of a
UFO-operating alien race called "The Watchers."
Examination of the AUM material leaves no doubt that the "Stanford
readings" were the major "drawing card" for the group's dues-paying
members and its contributors -- indeed, the organization's raison d'etre.
These "readings" guided the activities of the entire organization.
Transcripts
and tape cassettes of the "readings" made up the great bulk of the AUM
publications catalog.
[Considering the above background, it seemed rather audacious for Stanford to
tell
Australian paleontologist Dr. Paul M.A.Willis, "You sound more like a
soothsayer than a scientist!", when Dr. Willis challenged Stanford's
speculation about the identity of a dino trackmaker (see Stanford posting of 4
Feb. 1998).]
A TIME MACHINE? Well, how does all this relate to time travel?
Prominently featured in the AUM publications, tapes, and promotional
materials were plans to build an large machine known as "the Hilarion
Accelerator," and a building to house it. The design for this "Accelerator"
had been dictated by "the Brothers" speaking "through" the entranced
Stanford. The device was described as a metallic egg-shaped chamber that
would house a human subject. When the exterior of the egg was charged to
"around three million volts electro-static charge," it could produce a great
enhancement of many paranormal powers for the occupant, Stanford claimed.
In a tape-recorded lecture to the annual AUM membership conference on
August 24, 1974, Stanford told his followers that "the Accelerator" would
allow spiritually competent subjects to teleport physically from one place to
another, but also to PHYSICALLY transport their bodies BACK IN TIME.
Stanford described vividly how this would occur: A human subject would be
sealed within the Accelerator, which would then be charged up. Then,
Stanford explained, "He [the subject] would begin to glow. His body would
disappear instantly or fade out," being transported back "to walk the sands of
ancient Egypt 5,000 years ago. . . . he will materialize a physical body in
ancient Egypt." The only danger, Stanford explained, was that a subject
might allow himself to be cut off from the Accelerator-induced state,
get stuck in the ancient past, and die there.
Stanford also explained that a friend had volunteered to use the planned
device to become "the first Alley Oop." This was a reference to a comic strip
cave man who co-existed with dinosaurs.
It appears that AUM more or less petered out around 1980, although a book
of Stanford's "psychic readings" (FATIMA PROPHECY) was reissued by
Ballantine Books as recently as 1990, and apparently is still in print.
Although Stanford announced in 1974 that construction of the "Accelerator"
laboratory would begin that year, I found no evidence that the actual device
was ever constructed. Perhaps AUM's members and financial backers did not
provide sufficient financial support for what would apparently have been an
expensive construction project.
Now the same man who promoted that fantastic concept is attracting
attention because he is credited with finding many types of dinosaur tracks
where nobody else ever found them. The June 4 Baltimore Sun story quotes
Robert Bakker of the Tate Museum (Casper, Wy.), as stating of Stanford's
footprint collection, "It is priceless . . . a time machine."
Did he say "a time machine"? Come clean now, Ray Stanford . . . did you
finally build that time machine after all, maybe in your basement? Late at
night, do you shut yourself inside the Accelerator, hurl yourself back into
the
Cretaceous, locate the best dino watering holes and trails, and then return to
contemporary Maryland to mine those sites for tracks?
And if so -- don't you think it's your duty to begin to share your toy with
your
fellow paleontologists?
CONCLUSION OF PART ONE: Kidding aside, some serious issues are
raised here, which will be further addressed in Part Two. [Anyone desiring
further documentation on any specific statement in this posting can send an
inquiry to me off list.]
----------------
Ray Stanford, Claimed Alien Contacts, and Credentialing Issues
(Part 2 of 2) (LONG)
[This material is being posted in two parts, both being sent to the list
server at
the same time. This is Part Two. Please read Part One first; it is titled,
"Ray
Stanford, Time Travel, and Dinosaur Footprints."]
As explained in Part One, dino footprint collector Ray Stanford of Maryland
was the leader of the Association for the Understanding of Man (AUM)
during the 1970s. During purported trances, Stanford "channeled" elaborate
messages that were attributed to archangels, Jesus, aliens, and ostensibly
elevated
spiritual beings called "Brothers," as well as his own "unconscious and
superconscious mind." Stanford also ran "Project Starlight International," a
division of AUM that purported to investigate UFOs "scientifically."
In 1998, passing references to Stanford's involvement with UFOs appeared in
two postings on this list. Larry Dunn asked (22 July 1998), "Are you the
same Ray Stanford from Texas who was waiting for the UFOs in the 1970s?"
Dan Varner then commented (24 July) with approval on what he understood
to be Stanford's "scientific study of extraterrestrial life."
Stanford responded (24 July 1998) very negatively to both postings, virtually
demanding the immediate extinction of the thread. He wrote: "I HAVE
NOT BEEN TRYING TO STUDYING (sic) EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL LIFE.
[emphasis in original] My studies are only an instrumented search for any
UFO PHYSICS that might be monitored during observation of seemingly
anomalous sky objects. I have long stressed that the project is simply a
straight-forward study of physics and has no data that would point to any
specific area of origin (whether terrestrial, extra-terrestrial, or even from
any
speculative 'realm' incomprehensible to us). Now, Larry, if you, privately,
have some knowledge that UFOs have an extra-terrestrial origin, fine. Post
that to one of the many UFO-fan lists, they'd eat it with a spoon."
Well, Stanford should know -- he has a long history of "spoon-feeding" just
such material to various groups of UFO enthusiasts. I have no knowledge of
what UFO-related activities Stanford may be pursuing today -- but the
disclaimers quoted above certainly are inconsistent with his past writings
(many of which are available to me in the private collection to which I
referred in Part One of this posting).
CLAIMED ALIEN CONTACTS: In 1958, Stanford authored a book, titled
LOOK UP, filled with detailed, extravagant accounts of his repeated close
encounters with UFOs and communications with their occupants, who he
called "the space people." During the 1960s and 1970s, Stanford's published
"psychic readings" included discourses from a group of UFO-operating
extraterrestrials called "The Watchers" (they identified themselves
individually with names such as "Aramda" and "a planet keeper").
In addition, Stanford's published "readings" repeatedly exhorted his followers
to regard Project Starlight as being of worldshaking importance precisely
because its ultimate mission was to make physical contact with UFO-
operating aliens (i.e., alien races other than the already-acquainted
"Watchers"). For example, in a "reading" published in 1973, the entranced
Stanford said, "Project Starlight International can grow to the point where it
may be recognized worldwide for its work, its endeavor and even success in
the ideals discussed and in communication with extraterrestrial civilizations.
=======================================
Here are the links:
http://dml.cmnh.org/1999Feb/msg00188.html (Part 1)
http://dml.cmnh.org/1999Feb/msg00101.html (Part 2)
=======================================
I will post text below:
---
On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 [email protected] wrote:
Ray Stanford, Time Travel, and Dinosaur Footprints (Part 1 of 2) (LONG)
[This posting is in two parts, both being sent to the list server at the same
time. Please read this part before reading Part Two, which is titled, "Ray
Stanford, Claimed Alien Contacts, and Credentialing Issues."]
INTRODUCTION: Over the past year, several list members have in postings
mildly raised questions about certain opinions or associations of Maryland
dino footprint collector Ray Stanford. Stanford has generally responded with
sarcastic comments and demands that certain subjects immediately be
dropped. I believe that the information below is pertinent to evaluating some
of the statements that Mr. Stanford has made in certain postings over the past
year. Specific documents referred to below can be requested by e-mailing me
off list.
"ASTONISHING" COLLECTION: Stanford's remarkable success in
locating dinosaur footprints in Maryland was the subject of a feature story in
the BALTIMORE SUN on June 4, 1998 [also printed in the DETROIT
NEWS (Error 404: File not found.
BALTIMORE SUN science writer Frank D. Roylance wrote that Stanford
"has amassed an astonishing collection of early Cretaceous footprints of
dinosaurs and flying reptiles." In just four years, Stanford, described as an
"admitted 'total amateur' paleontologist" has "found more than 150 prints of
up to a dozen species -- several new -- in a region where teeth and bones had
hinted at barely four," the Sun reported.
TIME TRAVEL? No doubt many students of dinosaurs have fantasied about
how wonderful it would be to travel back in time and actually see those
magnificent creatures in their native environments. But in years past, Ray
Stanford proposed to take time travel outside the realm of science fiction.
For years, Stanford promoted the construction of a machine he called "the
Hilarion Accelerator" that would, he suggested, allow a living human body to
be physically transported back in time.
If that really were possible, paleontologists would be standing in line to
make
the trip, right? Don't you want to know more?
PREVIOUS CAREER: The SUN article did not mention Stanford's previous
career, primarily in the 1970s, as the leader of the Association for the
Understanding of Man (AUM). AUM was an organization with a national
membership, headquartered in Austin, Texas. I have access to a sizeable
private collection of literature dealing with what might be called
"unconventional" religious (or quasi-religious) groups. This collection
includes a substantial body of printed and taped material by Stanford, much
of it published by AUM.
The central focus of AUM was the content of Stanford's so-called "psychic
readings." It is necessary to briefly explain this "psychic reading" line of
work. After entering a purported "unconscious" or trance state, Stanford
would give long discourses on diverse subjects, with tape recorders running.
Some of these discourses were attributed to "the Source," identified as "the
unconscious and superconscious mind and spiritual being of Stanford," an
intelligence credited by Stanford's followers with wide-ranging clairvoyant
and precognitive powers.
However, on many other occasions, "voices other than that of the Source
speak through the unconscious Stanford . . . speaking in various accents and
inflections," as a 1977 AUM membership solicitation explained. These
voices were identified as exalted spiritual beings, members of an ethereal
association called the "White Brotherhood," archangels, and even Jesus
Christ himself -- all speaking courtesy of Stanford's "borrowed" vocal cords,
of course. Some of these "Brothers" identified themselves as members of a
UFO-operating alien race called "The Watchers."
Examination of the AUM material leaves no doubt that the "Stanford
readings" were the major "drawing card" for the group's dues-paying
members and its contributors -- indeed, the organization's raison d'etre.
These "readings" guided the activities of the entire organization.
Transcripts
and tape cassettes of the "readings" made up the great bulk of the AUM
publications catalog.
[Considering the above background, it seemed rather audacious for Stanford to
tell
Australian paleontologist Dr. Paul M.A.Willis, "You sound more like a
soothsayer than a scientist!", when Dr. Willis challenged Stanford's
speculation about the identity of a dino trackmaker (see Stanford posting of 4
Feb. 1998).]
A TIME MACHINE? Well, how does all this relate to time travel?
Prominently featured in the AUM publications, tapes, and promotional
materials were plans to build an large machine known as "the Hilarion
Accelerator," and a building to house it. The design for this "Accelerator"
had been dictated by "the Brothers" speaking "through" the entranced
Stanford. The device was described as a metallic egg-shaped chamber that
would house a human subject. When the exterior of the egg was charged to
"around three million volts electro-static charge," it could produce a great
enhancement of many paranormal powers for the occupant, Stanford claimed.
In a tape-recorded lecture to the annual AUM membership conference on
August 24, 1974, Stanford told his followers that "the Accelerator" would
allow spiritually competent subjects to teleport physically from one place to
another, but also to PHYSICALLY transport their bodies BACK IN TIME.
Stanford described vividly how this would occur: A human subject would be
sealed within the Accelerator, which would then be charged up. Then,
Stanford explained, "He [the subject] would begin to glow. His body would
disappear instantly or fade out," being transported back "to walk the sands of
ancient Egypt 5,000 years ago. . . . he will materialize a physical body in
ancient Egypt." The only danger, Stanford explained, was that a subject
might allow himself to be cut off from the Accelerator-induced state,
get stuck in the ancient past, and die there.
Stanford also explained that a friend had volunteered to use the planned
device to become "the first Alley Oop." This was a reference to a comic strip
cave man who co-existed with dinosaurs.
It appears that AUM more or less petered out around 1980, although a book
of Stanford's "psychic readings" (FATIMA PROPHECY) was reissued by
Ballantine Books as recently as 1990, and apparently is still in print.
Although Stanford announced in 1974 that construction of the "Accelerator"
laboratory would begin that year, I found no evidence that the actual device
was ever constructed. Perhaps AUM's members and financial backers did not
provide sufficient financial support for what would apparently have been an
expensive construction project.
Now the same man who promoted that fantastic concept is attracting
attention because he is credited with finding many types of dinosaur tracks
where nobody else ever found them. The June 4 Baltimore Sun story quotes
Robert Bakker of the Tate Museum (Casper, Wy.), as stating of Stanford's
footprint collection, "It is priceless . . . a time machine."
Did he say "a time machine"? Come clean now, Ray Stanford . . . did you
finally build that time machine after all, maybe in your basement? Late at
night, do you shut yourself inside the Accelerator, hurl yourself back into
the
Cretaceous, locate the best dino watering holes and trails, and then return to
contemporary Maryland to mine those sites for tracks?
And if so -- don't you think it's your duty to begin to share your toy with
your
fellow paleontologists?
CONCLUSION OF PART ONE: Kidding aside, some serious issues are
raised here, which will be further addressed in Part Two. [Anyone desiring
further documentation on any specific statement in this posting can send an
inquiry to me off list.]
----------------
Ray Stanford, Claimed Alien Contacts, and Credentialing Issues
(Part 2 of 2) (LONG)
[This material is being posted in two parts, both being sent to the list
server at
the same time. This is Part Two. Please read Part One first; it is titled,
"Ray
Stanford, Time Travel, and Dinosaur Footprints."]
As explained in Part One, dino footprint collector Ray Stanford of Maryland
was the leader of the Association for the Understanding of Man (AUM)
during the 1970s. During purported trances, Stanford "channeled" elaborate
messages that were attributed to archangels, Jesus, aliens, and ostensibly
elevated
spiritual beings called "Brothers," as well as his own "unconscious and
superconscious mind." Stanford also ran "Project Starlight International," a
division of AUM that purported to investigate UFOs "scientifically."
In 1998, passing references to Stanford's involvement with UFOs appeared in
two postings on this list. Larry Dunn asked (22 July 1998), "Are you the
same Ray Stanford from Texas who was waiting for the UFOs in the 1970s?"
Dan Varner then commented (24 July) with approval on what he understood
to be Stanford's "scientific study of extraterrestrial life."
Stanford responded (24 July 1998) very negatively to both postings, virtually
demanding the immediate extinction of the thread. He wrote: "I HAVE
NOT BEEN TRYING TO STUDYING (sic) EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL LIFE.
[emphasis in original] My studies are only an instrumented search for any
UFO PHYSICS that might be monitored during observation of seemingly
anomalous sky objects. I have long stressed that the project is simply a
straight-forward study of physics and has no data that would point to any
specific area of origin (whether terrestrial, extra-terrestrial, or even from
any
speculative 'realm' incomprehensible to us). Now, Larry, if you, privately,
have some knowledge that UFOs have an extra-terrestrial origin, fine. Post
that to one of the many UFO-fan lists, they'd eat it with a spoon."
Well, Stanford should know -- he has a long history of "spoon-feeding" just
such material to various groups of UFO enthusiasts. I have no knowledge of
what UFO-related activities Stanford may be pursuing today -- but the
disclaimers quoted above certainly are inconsistent with his past writings
(many of which are available to me in the private collection to which I
referred in Part One of this posting).
CLAIMED ALIEN CONTACTS: In 1958, Stanford authored a book, titled
LOOK UP, filled with detailed, extravagant accounts of his repeated close
encounters with UFOs and communications with their occupants, who he
called "the space people." During the 1960s and 1970s, Stanford's published
"psychic readings" included discourses from a group of UFO-operating
extraterrestrials called "The Watchers" (they identified themselves
individually with names such as "Aramda" and "a planet keeper").
In addition, Stanford's published "readings" repeatedly exhorted his followers
to regard Project Starlight as being of worldshaking importance precisely
because its ultimate mission was to make physical contact with UFO-
operating aliens (i.e., alien races other than the already-acquainted
"Watchers"). For example, in a "reading" published in 1973, the entranced
Stanford said, "Project Starlight International can grow to the point where it
may be recognized worldwide for its work, its endeavor and even success in
the ideals discussed and in communication with extraterrestrial civilizations.
bobheck
Disco still sucks.
It seems Loren Coleman has dealt with Ray Stanford, if this is legit.
Link: Ray Stanford
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From: Loren Coleman <lcoleman@maine.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:27:46 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:16:53 -0400
Subject: Ray Stanford
Ray Stanford has a history on the internet of joining Lists and
then responding "with sarcastic comments and demands that
certain subjects immediately be dropped," as one observer on a
dinosaur list once wrote.
Forgive me. I now understand what is going on. I did not realize
that Mr. Stanford was _the_ Ray Stanford, contactee, medium, and
channel through which such less-than-scholarly books as "Speak,
Shining Stranger" and "Fatima Prophecy" - gained via Stanford's
psychic readings - have been produced. Stanford, of course, is
the author a book, Look Up (1958) that discussions his
repeatedly close encounters with flying saucers and his
discussions with their occupants, who he termed "the space
people," but whom he would later call "The Watchers" (some even
named "Aramda" and such).
No, I did not realize I was dealing with the Ray Stanford who in
the 1970s, was the leader of the Association for the
Understanding of Man (AUM), a national organization located in
Austin, Texas. The purpose of AUM was given to Stanford's via
his so-called "psychic reading,." given to him by "the Source,"
as well as "voices other than that of the Source [who] speak
through the unconscious Stanford... speaking in various accents
and inflections," as a 1977 AUM membership solicitation noted.
"These voices were identified as exalted spiritual beings,
members of an ethereal association called the 'White
Brotherhood,' archangels, and even Jesus Christ himself -- all
speaking courtesy of Stanford's 'borrowed' vocal cords, of
course. Some of these 'Brothers' identified themselves as
members of a UFO-operating alien race called 'The Watchers,'" as
has been observed.
"Examination of the AUM material leaves no doubt that the
'Stanford readings' were the major 'drawing card' for the
group's dues-paying members and its contributors - indeed, the
organization's raison d'etre," a watchdog noted.
Furthermore, Stanford had plans to construct a time machine
known as "the Hilarion Accelerator." He needed funding to get
this done, of course.
"In a tape-recorded lecture to the annual AUM membership
conference on August 24, 1974, Stanford told his followers that
'the Accelerator' would allow spiritually competent subjects to
teleport physically from one place to another, but also to
PHYSICALLY transport their bodies BACK IN TIME," remarked one
who researched this gentleman.
Stanford's time machine was never built, to the best of anyone's
knowledge.
No wonder Ray Stanford has no sense of humor about predictions
done by crop circle promoters. After all, only Stanford knows
the future.
Best wishes,
Loren
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Link: Ray Stanford
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Text:
From: Loren Coleman <lcoleman@maine.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:27:46 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:16:53 -0400
Subject: Ray Stanford
Ray Stanford has a history on the internet of joining Lists and
then responding "with sarcastic comments and demands that
certain subjects immediately be dropped," as one observer on a
dinosaur list once wrote.
Forgive me. I now understand what is going on. I did not realize
that Mr. Stanford was _the_ Ray Stanford, contactee, medium, and
channel through which such less-than-scholarly books as "Speak,
Shining Stranger" and "Fatima Prophecy" - gained via Stanford's
psychic readings - have been produced. Stanford, of course, is
the author a book, Look Up (1958) that discussions his
repeatedly close encounters with flying saucers and his
discussions with their occupants, who he termed "the space
people," but whom he would later call "The Watchers" (some even
named "Aramda" and such).
No, I did not realize I was dealing with the Ray Stanford who in
the 1970s, was the leader of the Association for the
Understanding of Man (AUM), a national organization located in
Austin, Texas. The purpose of AUM was given to Stanford's via
his so-called "psychic reading,." given to him by "the Source,"
as well as "voices other than that of the Source [who] speak
through the unconscious Stanford... speaking in various accents
and inflections," as a 1977 AUM membership solicitation noted.
"These voices were identified as exalted spiritual beings,
members of an ethereal association called the 'White
Brotherhood,' archangels, and even Jesus Christ himself -- all
speaking courtesy of Stanford's 'borrowed' vocal cords, of
course. Some of these 'Brothers' identified themselves as
members of a UFO-operating alien race called 'The Watchers,'" as
has been observed.
"Examination of the AUM material leaves no doubt that the
'Stanford readings' were the major 'drawing card' for the
group's dues-paying members and its contributors - indeed, the
organization's raison d'etre," a watchdog noted.
Furthermore, Stanford had plans to construct a time machine
known as "the Hilarion Accelerator." He needed funding to get
this done, of course.
"In a tape-recorded lecture to the annual AUM membership
conference on August 24, 1974, Stanford told his followers that
'the Accelerator' would allow spiritually competent subjects to
teleport physically from one place to another, but also to
PHYSICALLY transport their bodies BACK IN TIME," remarked one
who researched this gentleman.
Stanford's time machine was never built, to the best of anyone's
knowledge.
No wonder Ray Stanford has no sense of humor about predictions
done by crop circle promoters. After all, only Stanford knows
the future.
Best wishes,
Loren
===========================
There has been an active attempt to smear Ray on the 'net by several disinfo operatives. Sue Shar Pei is a pseudo-name for one of these dirtbags. I can assure you that when you hear Ray on the show w/ Gene and David, you'll realize that a rare jewel such as Stanford shakes up the PTB and it's obvious that his work will continue to shake things up in this crap-filled field. His incredible insight (as reflected in his work) will more than speak for itself. I'm not the smartest tack in the pack, but I know the real deal when I see it. If he's such a flake, how come the Smithsonian Natural History Museum is putting in a permanent display of his dino tracks? How could he get two papers published in the most prestigious Ichnology Journal? How could he discover four dino species and some of the only dino tracks of their type ever found? He is, without question, the most observant person I have ever even heard of, let alone met. His observational acuity is off the charts and he has the scientific knowledge to maximize his observational abilities.
bobheck
Disco still sucks.
Just posting what I find. It is what it is.
BTW, did Ray ever say he had a "Hilarion Accelerator" or that he was going to build one? If he did, nut job, case closed. If not, then let's see what else comes up.
bobheck
Disco still sucks.
Another interesting tidbit.
Association for the Understanding of Man: Information from Answers.com
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Association for the Understanding of Man
A nonprofit corporation founded in 1971 in Austin, Texas, as a vehicle for the psychic activity of Ray Stanford. Stanford is a trance medium who channels messages from the "Source," believed to be his superconsciousness. Besides its more religious activities, the association carried on a research program in several areas. Project Starlight concerned itself with UFOs; through it the short-lived Journal of Instrumented UFO Research was issued. A research division concerned with parapsychology was headed by Ray Stanford's brother, Rex G. Stanford. AUM was disbanded in the early 1980s.
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..."trance medium who channels messages from the "Source," believed to be his superconsciousness"
Look, if this is true and this is the same Ray Stanford, we obviously have problems here. C'mon people. Back me up on this.
Association for the Understanding of Man: Information from Answers.com
---------
Association for the Understanding of Man
A nonprofit corporation founded in 1971 in Austin, Texas, as a vehicle for the psychic activity of Ray Stanford. Stanford is a trance medium who channels messages from the "Source," believed to be his superconsciousness. Besides its more religious activities, the association carried on a research program in several areas. Project Starlight concerned itself with UFOs; through it the short-lived Journal of Instrumented UFO Research was issued. A research division concerned with parapsychology was headed by Ray Stanford's brother, Rex G. Stanford. AUM was disbanded in the early 1980s.
----------------------------
..."trance medium who channels messages from the "Source," believed to be his superconsciousness"
Look, if this is true and this is the same Ray Stanford, we obviously have problems here. C'mon people. Back me up on this.
T
TerraX
Guest
No problem Greg. I've given you some headwind here and there but I respect your own endeavours in the 'field' and how you wish to construct your own radio-show. Ufology is also an individual journey so it seems, and everybody formulates their own opinions.
Last week I was watching a show on Comedy Central and the late Richard Jeni (brilliant but tormented) said it so well, we're all "a big steaming pile of me". (6 minutes in the vid)
urkotic
Hopeful Monster
A relatively current account of hearing Ray Stanford, an enthusiastic amateur paleontologist, speak at a meeting of the Paleontological Society of Washington.
Dino tracker finds trove of prints in D.C. suburb (USA Today)
Ray in living room (a photo of him among some of his finds - wow! I am jealous of whoever does get to visit)
'Hilarion Accelerator', I wonder if it was meant to be a joke? Hilarion = Hilarious? No idea, just speculating.
Dino tracker finds trove of prints in D.C. suburb (USA Today)
Ray in living room (a photo of him among some of his finds - wow! I am jealous of whoever does get to visit)
'Hilarion Accelerator', I wonder if it was meant to be a joke? Hilarion = Hilarious? No idea, just speculating.
bobheck
Disco still sucks.
Channeling
Association for the Understanding of Man
(Defunct)
The Association for the Understanding of Man (AUM) was formed in 1971 as an organization to focus the psychic accomplishments of Ray Stanford (b. 1938). He is the brother of noted parapsychologist Rex Stanford. Ray Stanford began to manifest psychic abilities in his youth. In 1960, meeting with a meditation group, he slipped into an unconscious trance-like state from which he was able accurately to answer questions by group members. The next year he began giving readings to the general public. Over the years, five types of readings evolved: self-help, questionand-answer, dream-interpretation, group-help and researchreading. The self-help readings include reflections upon past lives; research-readings explore various issues in depth. In 1972, a book containing the research-readings on the Fatima prophecy was published. The book discusses the significance of the appearance and words of Mary, the mother of Christ, at Fatima, Portugal, in 1917.
The "Source" of the Stanford readings is not a disincarnate entity, but is described as the unconscious and superconscious of Stanford, which contacts the object of the reading (the person the reading concerns). Recordings of all the readings have been kept. While no creed or dogma has been established, a consistent world-view has emerged. It includes Hindu concepts. The basic psychic/spiritual nature of man and the universe is accepted. Transcending the earth plane are various spiritual regions, including the lower astral and causal planes and, at the top, the "Abode of the Most High." From the higher planes emanates Aum, the great sound, and the music of the spheres, the audible life stream which underlies and sustains all creation, called by Hindus, "Nam." Among the inhabitants of the high planes are the Great White Brotherhood, beings advanced beyond the need of reincarnation.
Man is a spiritual entity, spirit individualized. Soul is the enduring vehicle of individual form which records all past experiences. Component parts of the self are the seven psychic centers (chakras) which serve as contact points between soul and body. The third-eye center (in the forehead, above the nose) is a point of contact with higher levels of consciousness.
Headquarters of AUM were established in Austin, Texas. Members could be found across the country and were of two kinds: recipient and full-participant members. Both a newsletter and the Journal of the Association for the Understanding of Man were published, as were a number of books and booklets. AUM was disbanded in the early 1980s.
Remarks: Stanford also possessed a lifelong interest in UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects). As teenagers in the 1950s, both he<gale
agebreak galeage="779" galedfname="ear_01_00778-p.pdf"> and his brother had professed contact with the space beings. Associated with AUM during its years of existence was Project Starlight International (also established by Ray Stanford), a sophisticated UFO detection system in Austin, Texas. It published the shortlived Journal of Instrumented UFO Research.</galeagebreak>
Sources:
McCoy, John, Ray Stanford, and Rex Stanford. Ave Sheoi…From Out of This World. Corpus Christi, TX: The Authors, 1956.
Speak Shining Stranger. Austin, TX: Association for the Understanding of Man, 1975.
Stanford, Ray. Fatima Prophecy, Days of Darkness, Promise of Light. Austin, TX: Association for the Understanding of Man, 1974.
——. The Spirit Unto the Churches. Austin, TX: Association for the Understanding of Man, 1977.
——. What Your Aura Tells Me. Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1977.
Association for the Understanding of Man
(Defunct)
The Association for the Understanding of Man (AUM) was formed in 1971 as an organization to focus the psychic accomplishments of Ray Stanford (b. 1938). He is the brother of noted parapsychologist Rex Stanford. Ray Stanford began to manifest psychic abilities in his youth. In 1960, meeting with a meditation group, he slipped into an unconscious trance-like state from which he was able accurately to answer questions by group members. The next year he began giving readings to the general public. Over the years, five types of readings evolved: self-help, questionand-answer, dream-interpretation, group-help and researchreading. The self-help readings include reflections upon past lives; research-readings explore various issues in depth. In 1972, a book containing the research-readings on the Fatima prophecy was published. The book discusses the significance of the appearance and words of Mary, the mother of Christ, at Fatima, Portugal, in 1917.
The "Source" of the Stanford readings is not a disincarnate entity, but is described as the unconscious and superconscious of Stanford, which contacts the object of the reading (the person the reading concerns). Recordings of all the readings have been kept. While no creed or dogma has been established, a consistent world-view has emerged. It includes Hindu concepts. The basic psychic/spiritual nature of man and the universe is accepted. Transcending the earth plane are various spiritual regions, including the lower astral and causal planes and, at the top, the "Abode of the Most High." From the higher planes emanates Aum, the great sound, and the music of the spheres, the audible life stream which underlies and sustains all creation, called by Hindus, "Nam." Among the inhabitants of the high planes are the Great White Brotherhood, beings advanced beyond the need of reincarnation.
Man is a spiritual entity, spirit individualized. Soul is the enduring vehicle of individual form which records all past experiences. Component parts of the self are the seven psychic centers (chakras) which serve as contact points between soul and body. The third-eye center (in the forehead, above the nose) is a point of contact with higher levels of consciousness.
Headquarters of AUM were established in Austin, Texas. Members could be found across the country and were of two kinds: recipient and full-participant members. Both a newsletter and the Journal of the Association for the Understanding of Man were published, as were a number of books and booklets. AUM was disbanded in the early 1980s.
Remarks: Stanford also possessed a lifelong interest in UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects). As teenagers in the 1950s, both he<gale
agebreak galeage="779" galedfname="ear_01_00778-p.pdf"> and his brother had professed contact with the space beings. Associated with AUM during its years of existence was Project Starlight International (also established by Ray Stanford), a sophisticated UFO detection system in Austin, Texas. It published the shortlived Journal of Instrumented UFO Research.</galeagebreak>Sources:
McCoy, John, Ray Stanford, and Rex Stanford. Ave Sheoi…From Out of This World. Corpus Christi, TX: The Authors, 1956.
Speak Shining Stranger. Austin, TX: Association for the Understanding of Man, 1975.
Stanford, Ray. Fatima Prophecy, Days of Darkness, Promise of Light. Austin, TX: Association for the Understanding of Man, 1974.
——. The Spirit Unto the Churches. Austin, TX: Association for the Understanding of Man, 1977.
——. What Your Aura Tells Me. Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1977.
Schuyler
Misanthrope
I encourage you to listen to the Ray Stanford interview conducted by Bishop, the link of which is posted above. Listen to what he has to say and how he says it. Listen to how he treats 'Walter' on the show especially, then make your own decision about what kind of man Ray Stanford is. You don't need someone else telling you he is credible. Just listen to him.
Schuyler
Misanthrope
I found this post dated 1999 discussing Shar Pei, the 'dirt bag' alluded to by O'Brien above. This is not by Stanford himself, but by a supporter. I found it quite interesting.
-start-
Only belatedly have I reviewed the two February 5 postings in which the one called Sue SharPei sought to mock Ray Stanford's many contacts with alien beings and their spacecraft, and his never-fulfilled plans to build a "time machine" capable of transporting a physical body back to ancient times. SharPei also endeavored to denigrate Stanford's many years of activity as a psychic, during which he allowed to speak through his unconscious body Aramda and other brothers in spacecraft, the Master Jesus and his archangels, and other elevated beings - and also, on many occasions, the one who speaks to you now, Kuthumi Lalh Singh of the White Brotherhood. (Please to understand, no racial connotation is implied in the name.)
It was most fitting and proper that SharPei was immediately silenced, because she was most disrespectful of Stanford (whose shoulders have borne the burdens of many portentous missions of vital importance to all who dwell upon the Earth), and also because the postings of SharPei spoke very little to the only proper subject of discussion on this list, dinosaurs.
Yet, it is the very omission by SharPei (whether through ignorance, malice, or a combination of these influences) of information truly relevant to the purposes of this list, that now compels Kuthumi to consume additional "bandwidth," as you say, in defense of Stanford.
You see, SharPei left the impression that Stanford is a "johnny come lately," as you might say, to matters of dinosaur science. But that is untrue, and unfair to Stanford. As one who has long closely followed Stanford's work (in all of its diverse phases and manifestations), I can testify that Stanford's contributions to public understanding regarding dinosaurs began long before his recent preoccupation with the finding of dinosaur tracks.
For example, in August, 1974 (when he was 36 years in his current body), Stanford gave a keynote lecture to the Association for the Understanding of Man in which he marshalled impressive evidences that giant dinosaurs (perhaps even Tyrannosaurus rex) had survived at least into the twentieth century in the jungles of the Peruvian-Bolivian border area. Those evidences were too detailed and numerous to recite here, but suffice to say that any one of you who would take the time to listen to the tape of this lecture, I can say with assurance, would find it remarkable in the extreme.
(Even now, it may not be too late for members of this list who possess the necessary academic credentials and financial resources to utilize Stanford's information to mount an expedition that could do much to advance paleobiology, and biology, and further increase public interest in the subject of dinosaurs.)
Now, there is another "wrinkle" which was neglected by SharPei, and it is this: The disrespectful attitude of SharPei may distract others from recognizing that the paranormal powers that Stanford has displayed in the past COULD produce very great contributions to paleontology - as they have already done in the field of archeology.
In his eloquent response to SharPei of February 6, Stanford acknowledged only in passing that his recent extraordinary successes in finding dinosaur footprints in Maryland "maybe (is) due also to some psychic ability." This understatement reflects Stanford's exaggerated modesty regarding his psychic abilities - a modesty which apparently inhibited him from mentioning his impressive past successes in locating things long hidden under the earth.
Fortunately, some of those accomplishments are well documented. In the same lecture mentioned above, titled "Psychic Archeology," Stanford spoke at length of his knowledge of the exact location in Mexico at which a little-known but very technologically advanced human civilization called Telos stored records on imperishable metal tablets, and magnetically on crystals, 38,000 years ago. He spoke also of his psychic knowledge of the exact site at which 149 Essene scrolls, containing contemporary records of the life of Jesus, are buried on Mt. Carmel in Israel. It is unfortunate that various logistical and political obstacles have prevented Stanford or others from actually uncovering these artifacts, but it is his singular success in LOCATING them that is important here.
To cite an even more striking example, in mid-1974, the Journal of the Association for the Understanding of Man (Vol. 2, No. 4), of which Stanford was editor-in-chief, reported to the members and financial supporters of that organization, "It is anticipated, for example, that before the end of this year [1974] Ray Stanford will lead a team to a site in Egypt where, he has felt for many years, the tomb of Imhotep is located." This anticipated discovery "would rank among the major archaeological finds of all times," the Journal added - a claim that surely was no exaggeration. (Imhotep walked upon the earth some 4600 years ago. He was an architect, scribe, administrator, artist, and healer, sometimes called the world's first physician.) However, later it was psychically revealed to Stanford that the planned trip had become karmically inadvisable, and that he should re-direct the group's financial resources to the contacting of alien spacecraft through the endeavor known as Project Starlight International. (I would refer you to the A.U.M. Journal, Vol. 3, No. 4.) Thus, Imtotep's tomb still remains deeply buried these 25 years after Stanford's planned
trip.
But what is relevant to this discussion about paleontology is that Stanford LEARNED the EXACT SITE of Imhotep's tomb BY PURELY PSYCHIC MEANS. As Stanford explained in his revealing interview in the April, 1974 issue of PSYCHIC magazine, "I awakened one morning with a distinct knowing of exactly where Imhotep's tomb is, although archaeologists have searched for it for years (...) When I have impressions as clear as that, they have never been wrong."
Kuthumi would say, surely it should be obvious that the psychic ability that Stanford demonstrated in thus locating the EXACT SITE of Imhotep's tomb, of the 149 Essene scrolls, and of the hidden records of Telos (to cite only three examples) MAY be equally capable of discerning the EXACT LOCATION of the fossil remains of dinosaurs that are currently hidden within the earth – even fossils of species hitherto unknown! But such is unlikely to occur, unless Stanford receives the proper encouragement, rather than the sort of negativity contained in the postings of SharPei. Those who have ears to hear, let them hear!
It is the past efforts of Ray Stanford to open up entirely new vistas in dinosaur science, and the potential (as yet barely tapped) of his exceptional psychic powers to greatly advance contemporary paleontology, that are the proper subjects for recognition and discussion by the esteemed members of this list - and NOT the distracting matters of Stanford's dealings with alien beings and time machines on which SharPei would have you dwell.
Shanti, good day,
Kuthumi Lalh Singh
(Kuthumi now returns to the role of "lurker" with which he is well familiar, but those who desire to receive something of tangible documentation regarding the statements contained in this posting may contact Kuthumi, as you say, "off list" -- or, if you are suitably receptive, by passing into an unconscious state.)
-start-
Only belatedly have I reviewed the two February 5 postings in which the one called Sue SharPei sought to mock Ray Stanford's many contacts with alien beings and their spacecraft, and his never-fulfilled plans to build a "time machine" capable of transporting a physical body back to ancient times. SharPei also endeavored to denigrate Stanford's many years of activity as a psychic, during which he allowed to speak through his unconscious body Aramda and other brothers in spacecraft, the Master Jesus and his archangels, and other elevated beings - and also, on many occasions, the one who speaks to you now, Kuthumi Lalh Singh of the White Brotherhood. (Please to understand, no racial connotation is implied in the name.)
It was most fitting and proper that SharPei was immediately silenced, because she was most disrespectful of Stanford (whose shoulders have borne the burdens of many portentous missions of vital importance to all who dwell upon the Earth), and also because the postings of SharPei spoke very little to the only proper subject of discussion on this list, dinosaurs.
Yet, it is the very omission by SharPei (whether through ignorance, malice, or a combination of these influences) of information truly relevant to the purposes of this list, that now compels Kuthumi to consume additional "bandwidth," as you say, in defense of Stanford.
You see, SharPei left the impression that Stanford is a "johnny come lately," as you might say, to matters of dinosaur science. But that is untrue, and unfair to Stanford. As one who has long closely followed Stanford's work (in all of its diverse phases and manifestations), I can testify that Stanford's contributions to public understanding regarding dinosaurs began long before his recent preoccupation with the finding of dinosaur tracks.
For example, in August, 1974 (when he was 36 years in his current body), Stanford gave a keynote lecture to the Association for the Understanding of Man in which he marshalled impressive evidences that giant dinosaurs (perhaps even Tyrannosaurus rex) had survived at least into the twentieth century in the jungles of the Peruvian-Bolivian border area. Those evidences were too detailed and numerous to recite here, but suffice to say that any one of you who would take the time to listen to the tape of this lecture, I can say with assurance, would find it remarkable in the extreme.
(Even now, it may not be too late for members of this list who possess the necessary academic credentials and financial resources to utilize Stanford's information to mount an expedition that could do much to advance paleobiology, and biology, and further increase public interest in the subject of dinosaurs.)
Now, there is another "wrinkle" which was neglected by SharPei, and it is this: The disrespectful attitude of SharPei may distract others from recognizing that the paranormal powers that Stanford has displayed in the past COULD produce very great contributions to paleontology - as they have already done in the field of archeology.
In his eloquent response to SharPei of February 6, Stanford acknowledged only in passing that his recent extraordinary successes in finding dinosaur footprints in Maryland "maybe (is) due also to some psychic ability." This understatement reflects Stanford's exaggerated modesty regarding his psychic abilities - a modesty which apparently inhibited him from mentioning his impressive past successes in locating things long hidden under the earth.
Fortunately, some of those accomplishments are well documented. In the same lecture mentioned above, titled "Psychic Archeology," Stanford spoke at length of his knowledge of the exact location in Mexico at which a little-known but very technologically advanced human civilization called Telos stored records on imperishable metal tablets, and magnetically on crystals, 38,000 years ago. He spoke also of his psychic knowledge of the exact site at which 149 Essene scrolls, containing contemporary records of the life of Jesus, are buried on Mt. Carmel in Israel. It is unfortunate that various logistical and political obstacles have prevented Stanford or others from actually uncovering these artifacts, but it is his singular success in LOCATING them that is important here.
To cite an even more striking example, in mid-1974, the Journal of the Association for the Understanding of Man (Vol. 2, No. 4), of which Stanford was editor-in-chief, reported to the members and financial supporters of that organization, "It is anticipated, for example, that before the end of this year [1974] Ray Stanford will lead a team to a site in Egypt where, he has felt for many years, the tomb of Imhotep is located." This anticipated discovery "would rank among the major archaeological finds of all times," the Journal added - a claim that surely was no exaggeration. (Imhotep walked upon the earth some 4600 years ago. He was an architect, scribe, administrator, artist, and healer, sometimes called the world's first physician.) However, later it was psychically revealed to Stanford that the planned trip had become karmically inadvisable, and that he should re-direct the group's financial resources to the contacting of alien spacecraft through the endeavor known as Project Starlight International. (I would refer you to the A.U.M. Journal, Vol. 3, No. 4.) Thus, Imtotep's tomb still remains deeply buried these 25 years after Stanford's planned
trip.
But what is relevant to this discussion about paleontology is that Stanford LEARNED the EXACT SITE of Imhotep's tomb BY PURELY PSYCHIC MEANS. As Stanford explained in his revealing interview in the April, 1974 issue of PSYCHIC magazine, "I awakened one morning with a distinct knowing of exactly where Imhotep's tomb is, although archaeologists have searched for it for years (...) When I have impressions as clear as that, they have never been wrong."
Kuthumi would say, surely it should be obvious that the psychic ability that Stanford demonstrated in thus locating the EXACT SITE of Imhotep's tomb, of the 149 Essene scrolls, and of the hidden records of Telos (to cite only three examples) MAY be equally capable of discerning the EXACT LOCATION of the fossil remains of dinosaurs that are currently hidden within the earth – even fossils of species hitherto unknown! But such is unlikely to occur, unless Stanford receives the proper encouragement, rather than the sort of negativity contained in the postings of SharPei. Those who have ears to hear, let them hear!
It is the past efforts of Ray Stanford to open up entirely new vistas in dinosaur science, and the potential (as yet barely tapped) of his exceptional psychic powers to greatly advance contemporary paleontology, that are the proper subjects for recognition and discussion by the esteemed members of this list - and NOT the distracting matters of Stanford's dealings with alien beings and time machines on which SharPei would have you dwell.
Shanti, good day,
Kuthumi Lalh Singh
(Kuthumi now returns to the role of "lurker" with which he is well familiar, but those who desire to receive something of tangible documentation regarding the statements contained in this posting may contact Kuthumi, as you say, "off list" -- or, if you are suitably receptive, by passing into an unconscious state.)
Schuyler
Misanthrope
Here's a link to O'Brien's longer treatment of Stanford and what he thinks of him: http://ourstrangeplanet.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=119&Itemid=60. I particularly liked the clock at the top right of the page counting down the seconds until the Winter Solstice of 2012. Nice touch.
bobheck
Disco still sucks.
You have my word I will listen to what you have requested.
However, regardless of how credible one may sound, if that person is one in the same with one that has claimed to channel his own superconciousness and/or built a time machine, how that person sounds is moot. That person is simply and literally unbelievable.