Ben Moss
Skilled Investigator
If you can send me a scan of the leaflet I will ask him when we visit later this month. Please send to [email protected]
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Ray Stanford has a photo of the Socorro craft & Martin Willis has seen it and is impressed but...
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Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
Ian
Paranormal Maven
Yes, I built one based around the 1490 digital compass sensor, but not sure that's the best device to use for this.
After I built mine, I saw the one shown above on sale for about $90. I think there are at least two versions of that model - and the later one also uses the 1490 sensor! The parts can probably be bought for less than $25.
Ian
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Ian
Paranormal Maven
Unfortunately it's at my workshop 170 miles away and I won't be there for a fortnight - probably too late for you.
It's printed blue text on white paper and about A4 folded in half to make four sides. I'm sure Ray remembers it.
Ian
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Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
Ian
Paranormal Maven
Nothing for weeks, then it went off three times one weekend last year. Almost certainly due to a magnetic storm according to SOLARHAM.com | Solar Cycle 24 | Space Weather and Amateur Radio Website when I checked the dates.
The whole premise is/was that petrol vehicles stalled during a close encounter, but diesel vehicles did not, with the thinking being that it was the strong magnetic field surrounding these objects that had the effect. Anyone with a passing familiarity with engines will see the huge relevance of this. If true, this is a very significant finding from the 1960s or 1970s. In fact it sounds too good to be true as I have read virtually nothing about it since.
If it was true, is it now? Are the complex engine-management systems of modern diesel vehicles interfered with by these fields? And then what about petrol vehicles with their engine management. Are they more or less susceptible than in the past?
Since nothing seems to have come from this clue in over 30 years, perhaps it was a theory that really didn't have any basis in fact...
Ian
Ian
Paranormal Maven
Er, yes. Sorry 14 days/two weeks starting on no particular day...
I'll make a note and scan it as soon as I can. Thanks for your interest.
Ian
ChrisJohnsen
Paranormal Adept
I love that when you click that Amazon link, the top reviewer comment is from George Takei! SULU! That is some Gene Steinberg shit right there!
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
He was the navigator so he would know best.
withoutlimits09
Paranormal Adept
I listened to most of the most recent episode of the Paracast (Micah Hanks is awesome btw). As usual, Gene and Chris couldn't go a single minute without bashing FOX news and Republicans, but I have harped on their ideological biases before on here, so no sense kicking a dead horse. However, it was nice to see my criticisms once again illustrated!
Regardless, I was struck to hear that Ray does not care about "appeasing us" or "releasing his evidence, simply because we want it for entertainment" and thus "doesn't care about what we think."
First, I think many of use recognize the benefit for, not just UFO research, but all of humankind, if Standford's evidence found its way into credible hands for evaluation and real breakthroughs were made from it. So, it is a little disingenuous to suggest we are all here to "harass" and older man and poke fun at him for "entertainment." I think this is a gross mischaracterization. On the other hand, I find it odd that if Ray thinks so little of the UFO collective (lets call us that) then why is he letting forum members dictate what he does with his research?
Ray's logic seems to be as follows:
"oh you all are ridiculous and meaningless, and not worthy of me ever addressing you. Your points are malicious, and because of this I am not releasing my work, despite its potential implications for humanity and future technologies."
That seems illogical to me, either we are not worth his breath and useless to him, however if we are that useless, how on earth are our actions the sole reason he won't release his work.
That would be like Obama saying "I am not even going to address the comments made about Donald Trump's, because they are trivial and not worth my time, however, from this point forward, because Donald Trump said mean things about me, I am never giving another public speech again"
I don't see how we can be so worthless and mean to Ray, yet also be the sole reason why he won't release information that could change propulsion and technology for everyone. Why would he give us lowly minions that much power over his evidence?
To me it looks like he is grasping at any and all excuses in order to perpetrate his "all talk, no show" shtick, which is very old by now. .
Regardless, I was struck to hear that Ray does not care about "appeasing us" or "releasing his evidence, simply because we want it for entertainment" and thus "doesn't care about what we think."
First, I think many of use recognize the benefit for, not just UFO research, but all of humankind, if Standford's evidence found its way into credible hands for evaluation and real breakthroughs were made from it. So, it is a little disingenuous to suggest we are all here to "harass" and older man and poke fun at him for "entertainment." I think this is a gross mischaracterization. On the other hand, I find it odd that if Ray thinks so little of the UFO collective (lets call us that) then why is he letting forum members dictate what he does with his research?
Ray's logic seems to be as follows:
"oh you all are ridiculous and meaningless, and not worthy of me ever addressing you. Your points are malicious, and because of this I am not releasing my work, despite its potential implications for humanity and future technologies."
That seems illogical to me, either we are not worth his breath and useless to him, however if we are that useless, how on earth are our actions the sole reason he won't release his work.
That would be like Obama saying "I am not even going to address the comments made about Donald Trump's, because they are trivial and not worth my time, however, from this point forward, because Donald Trump said mean things about me, I am never giving another public speech again"
I don't see how we can be so worthless and mean to Ray, yet also be the sole reason why he won't release information that could change propulsion and technology for everyone. Why would he give us lowly minions that much power over his evidence?
To me it looks like he is grasping at any and all excuses in order to perpetrate his "all talk, no show" shtick, which is very old by now. .
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Chuckleberryfinn
Paranormal Maven
I may get myself into trouble for saying so, but banning a lively and entertaining participant on an internet forum, someone with a dissenting/critical voice, seems to be a great way to diminish the value of said forum.
ChrisJohnsen
Paranormal Adept
"I second that emotion." ~ Smokey Robinson
Creepy Green Light
Paranormal Adept
Just speaking for myself; if I had the "end all to end all" UFO footage on video or film, I think the second after I clicked the "stop recording button" I would be figuring out how to contact CNN, NBC, etc. I would want to show the world that "yes, these things are real and people haven't been crazy all these years." I can't think of one scenario that would make me sit on it for decades on end but yet at the same time talk about it non stop. The only reason I could think of that I would not show it to anyone is because it either doesn't exist in the first place or is completely bogus. Again, I am just speaking for myself.
Chuckleberryfinn
Paranormal Maven
This is so absurd. Goodbye for another 5 years, Paracast. I think I'll be canceling my paracast+, too. Good thing I only bought a one month subscription.
What is absurd?
Mr. Fibuli
Paranormal Adept
I'll break this down as a non-participant. So there's contention from some of the forum members that The show focusing on and 'teasing' the Stanford material to whatever degree is too much. They want the data and they're frustrated. Personality conflicts erupted and now it's this
I've personally done my best to smooth this whole thing.
Now I'll give you all something to consider before the two-way missile strikes launch.
This is no huge impasse; if everyone sort of relaxed for a second we could have a much more enjoyable forum... Instead of one like the ending in Reservoir Dogs.
Both sides of the conflict were respectively guilty of hailing the RS case as it is genuinely high-strange (without the data having been disclosed) and of debunking with a nose towards it MUST be fraud (without the data having been disclosed).
Maybe if a more diplomatic tone could develop it would be more productive than the way I see people reacting (which is a natural reaction that I'm not judging anyone for). When someone feels hurt, lashing out and being indignant are natural-don't go with it.
I've personally done my best to smooth this whole thing.
Now I'll give you all something to consider before the two-way missile strikes launch.
This is no huge impasse; if everyone sort of relaxed for a second we could have a much more enjoyable forum... Instead of one like the ending in Reservoir Dogs.
Both sides of the conflict were respectively guilty of hailing the RS case as it is genuinely high-strange (without the data having been disclosed) and of debunking with a nose towards it MUST be fraud (without the data having been disclosed).
Maybe if a more diplomatic tone could develop it would be more productive than the way I see people reacting (which is a natural reaction that I'm not judging anyone for). When someone feels hurt, lashing out and being indignant are natural-don't go with it.
Wade
FeralNormal master
What's absurd is that this subject just won't die, I think it's become a meme, come on guys let it go and move on, DS's apparent 3rd time out...Yes this was his 3rd strike ...is less about his message than his obsessiveness, you guys feel the same way he did about this subject and you're still here.
@withoutlimits09 I think you're taking it waaaay too personal whatever spin you want to give to Ray's wording applies to me and everyone here and you don't see any of us going on about it.
@withoutlimits09 I think you're taking it waaaay too personal whatever spin you want to give to Ray's wording applies to me and everyone here and you don't see any of us going on about it.
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Wade
FeralNormal master
True enough but in my case i compartmentalize it, to wit, if I feel I'm being dissed by someone I feel a connection to then yeah, that can hurt and i might strike out at them but if I'm being dissed by some guy on the other side of the country who doesn't think I'm quite ready to appreciate his fieldwork i'm not going to get my panties in a bunch about it.
