Sure, 'growth' if growth means the enabling of more tractable, endurable, and productive discussions. I don't think that extended verbal attacks and the resulting hostile atmosphere lead to personal growth for anyone precisely because they become 'personal' and distracting. They produce increased noise in which the signal that could be carried forward by civil discussion is increasing lost.
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Ray Stanford has a photo of the Socorro craft & Martin Willis has seen it and is impressed but...
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TonyAngiola
Paranormal Novice
Mr.Fibuli, I hope to have the site live in just a few more weeks.
Wade
FeralNormal master
Until such time that Ray's work does say the light of day, as long as this forum has a person that shall not be named, brothers that shall not be named and an event that shall not be named perhaps we should have a question that shall not be asked...
...by anyone.
...by anyone.
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mikeclr
Skilled Investigator
This is just me of course, but personally I'm more interested in hearing about Ray's time with Adamski than I am about his photos and films. I'm fascinated by the socio-cultural aspects of early ufology and characters like Adamski, Van Tassel, Menger, et al. These days there are fewer and fewer people out there who actually spent time with these individuals and none are getting any younger!
Until such time that Ray's work does say the light of day, as long as this forum has a person that shall not be named, brothers that shall not be named and an event that shall not be named perhaps we should have a question that shall not be asked...
...by anyone.
I have a question I'd like to ask anyway, addressed to Ben, Tony, and Chris: in his demonstrations and discussions with you, has Ray Stanford referred to the Biefeld-Brown effect? I'm reading about the controversy concerning this effect at
Townsend Brown Effect
An extract:
"Brown also called attention to this a[e]ffect in his 1960 electrokinetic apparatus patent, which describes using a flame jet generator to place a high-voltage positive charge on a needlelike electrode at the front end of a rocket. Aerospace companies later put Brown’s suggestion into use. A spike was placed at the nose of a rocket and caused to emit a high-voltage arc. Wind tunnel studies showed that the resulting electric field pushed the bow shock front away from the rocket nose so that it no longer contacted the main body of the missile and, hence, substantially reduced air drag."
What is the relationship of the Biefeld-Brown Effect to the hypothesis Ray has apparently drawn from the multiple sighting he had in Corpus Christi, described by Chris Lambright in X Descending?
The Darkroom
Skilled Investigator
I happen to know of DS from our mutual background with photography. He was an award winning photographer. I was a professional photographer and did my own darkroom work in the 1970's and 1980's. I look forward to seeing the evidence for the photos in question and any other photography and films Ray Stanford or others may have.
I will help DS with a "one time" message he wants out here, but I won't be passing on any more messages about DS being banned. Below is DissectionStalker's message.
To Everyone at the Paracast:
Chris O'Brien has no legitimate reasons for banning me now. I know it truly by what he did. His post below is UNTRUE, and you can prove it too. Here is what Chris alleges:
1) Zero matches for "cultist". I never alleged Stanford ran any cult, and I specifically removed the idea Stanford was a member of Adamski's cult in a post to the Micah Hanks thread and this thread to correct my mistake I made in one earlier post in this thread. Specifically, I said Stanford was NOT a member of Adamski's cult. Specifically, I said Ray did not live with Adamski for years. [That clarified the mistaken idea that I admitted was incorrect in one post I made.]
2) I never said Stanford committed fraud. Search Stanford and "fraud" for DS. That search gets only one match and PLEASE read that post linked just below, as that post only points out someone else, not DS, alleged Stanford is a fraud. This is someone else that was a dear friend of Gene Steinberg's and he was a guest on the Paracast multiple times, Jim Mosley, so this is getting hilarious! Just imagine Gene banning Jim Mosley, because he alleges Ray isn't telling the truth or is committing fraud. Here is that post:
Solid light beams (Bill Chalker, Michael Swords, and Ray Stanford)
3) I never said Stanford was a "hoaxer". Search DS and Stanford and hoaxer. I never made ANY post that said Ray was a "hoaxer".
Just to repeat one last time, on this thread and the Micah Hanks thread I made it crystal clear I retracted any idea that Ray Stanford was a member of Adamski's cult by saying that directly too... I said that Ray was not a member of Adamski's cult, nor did Ray live there for years. Clearly, I said that in writing!
But, contrary to what Chris O'Brien would lead you to believe on the Paracast with Micah Hanks, Ray was a follower and believer in Adamski according to Ray himself, and Ray and his brother were "true believers" too! I can prove it in Ray's own words in this podcast...
Here's the direct download to part 1 of Greg Bishop's show w/Stanford...
Go from the 3 minute mark to 14 minutes about Adamski. This matches EXACTLY the timeline I give just below.
I got my information from Ray Stanford himself. Seriously, he told his story on Greg Bishop's show. This is what Ray said himself:
1953 Ray buys Adamski's book AND BELIEVES what he read from Adamski himself.
1954 Ray starts writing Adamski as a believer. At 16yo Ray is doing ESP experiments to attract UFO's based on Adamski's ideas, and Ray claims success on a beach near Corpus Christi with many witnesses present. Ray even claims he got an article published in Fate Magazine about this ESP UFO event. Of course, Fate was science fiction fantasy.
1956 After High School Ray and his brother go for the Summer to Adamski's and stayed there for some period of time with multiple visits over the next few years. Ray continued to believe Adamski AFTER staying there.
1957 Ray writes a book with his brother called Look Up, and Ray still fully believes in Adamski. This is A FACT. Stated in Ray's own words: "We were true believers."
1958 During one of Ray's visits with his brother, finally, Adamski tells Ray and his brother how he faked UFO photos sometime in 1958, but, Contrary to what Chris O'Brien suggested, Ray NEVER was investigating Adamski at 18-20 years old. It is Adamski himself that confessed and showed them what he did.
That is EXACLY why I told Chris O'Brien to "get real" about suggesting Ray was investigating Adamski on that Paracast show. Ray was CLEARLY NOT investigating but believing in Adamski at 16yo at 17yo at 18yo and 19 years old. It was not until sometime in 1958, when Ray was 20yo, that he found out from Adamski himself. Ray Stanford admits they were total believers until that "eggnog moment".
So, Chris bans me for speaking the truth? I'm proud to stand-up to such abusive banishment.
Chris O'Brien, you're flat-out wrong and 100% misleading, when you said on the Paracast with Micah Hanks: "He would go out there and visit him because he was trying to figure out how he was hoaxing his photographs, and he finally got Adamski to fess-up and show him and his brother Rex how he was faking the [films and] photographs." <-That's pure BS Chris, and I prove it with Ray's own words. Period. Just listen to that podcast with Greg Bishop linked above.
Admit you're wrong Chris. Why did you say that?
That Paracast with Micah Hanks spent a lot of time talking about Stanford, so I wasn't posting off-topic or being mean towards Ray. Those are the only points I was trying to make which is the absolute truth according to Ray himself. Why should I be banned for the truth???
Part 2 of tht Podcast is linked below, and this is where Ray got very upset on Greg's show. Adventureman [he was on the Paracast show recently with Greg Bishop], and he [Walter Bosley aka Adventureman] got the direct wrath of Ray!
CLEARLY Chris O'Brien has no real reasons for banning me other than his clear bias for Ray. I was not posting any lies about Ray Stanford that Chris quoted me on above. Please search those words Chris used in quotation marks noted above to prove it.
Chris, you don't care about the truth or being fair minded, because you're blinded by your personal commitments to these people. This goes back to Terry Sherman too! People were covering-up the fact Sherman had an established friendship with Jr. Hicks [a notorious well known Ufologist in Utah] during his ownership of the Sherman [before Skinwalker] ranch and before he sold the ranch to Bigelow. I couldn't possibly believe "your word" Chris after I've seen such manipulative and/or naive acts on your part to ignore the possibilities that Sherman was taken-in by Jr. Hicks [or worse], and then you attempt to discredit [and attack] those with a different opinion than yours.
I have said many of Ray Stanford's claims about what he has on S-8mm and other [8mm or 16mm] film stocks are impossible. I provided the evidence in several posts and challenged ANYONE to refute what I posted. No one attempted to offer why I was mistaken! I definitely standby my proofs 100%, because I know photographically it is simply impossible. IF I am correct, and I am imo, then this leads to many motivations and a very few possibilities as to why this has happened. I've put forward many ideas about why this happened, but these are only possibilities. Since there can only be a limited number of reasons why this might happen, I did have "the balls" to stand-up to expose why Stanford's "film claims" are likely impossible. But rather than address why I'm mistaken, it's easy to just eliminate these possibilities about what may be "the truth" by banning me instead.
The glaring truth about this is no other moderator here at the Paracast was attempting to get me banned for my posts about Ray Stanford, and Chris O'Brien has a vested interest in Stanford's work both financially [book interest] and personally as his UFO Guru. Chris and Gene: Please get that FAA 1985 audio recording Ray promised the Paracast listeners. When Gene asked Ray if he would provide it, Ray said yes he would provide it. That FAA audio recording of a telephone conversation about the radar is in relation to Ray's "beam ahead" S-8mm film.
The following information recounts the reasons I was given two 30 day vacations from the forum:
1) I was only given TWO 30 day "vacations" from the Paracast. The first one came from Chris O'Brien for posting this message [link below] in question about Ray Stanford and a scientist named Myrabo. Please read that post, linked below, and see if you think it was so horrible. Myrabo's ideas are "nutty professor", and I thought Ray's assertion was "nutty" about discovering some "beam ahead" concept that was already known from the 1960's. I proved this in other posts. Just search my screen name and "beam ahead" or Myrabo. I had no intentions of allowing Chris to find another legitimate reason to ban me again, so I was very careful about what I said upon my return. Btw, Chris wanted me banned permanently for that alone. It is Gene that had to jump-in with a follow-up post stating it would only be for 30 days. Here is that post:
Torme will be on DMR
2) The second 30 day vacation was totally unfair, because Heidi and Mike were committing slander attacking me on the Roswell Slide thread. These two people were relentlessly accusing me of being a criminal hacker on that thread. I immediately asked them to stop, but they kept going. I asked Gene by PM to stop their slanderous allegations and delete those posts, but Gene allowed Mike and Heidi to continue to attack me with their posts remaining. Gene has never allowed anyone else to be attacked in such a slanderous way that was also a member at the Paracast too.
Strange how I got a 30 day vacation for never starting to post those slanderous allegations, and I was only defending my reputation against falsehoods. The hypocrisy is obvious and selectively unfair in this case, when people are allowed to callously and willfully destroy another person's character at the Paracast. I'm sure Chris O'Brien took pleasure in that, and I can prove it too.
Thanks for that second 30 day vacation. It was an honor to stand-up against two slanderous liars named Mike and Heidi.
Read this thread about how I was criminally hacked, and just watch Mike and Heidi go after me there too! You can find the slanderous posts in this thread too, because I had to link to those Roswell Slide posts proving what Heidi and Mike were doing to me in that thread too.
Being Hacked Online Criminally is Easy!
There were no other 30 day "vacation bans" but those two until Chris unfairly bans me now.
There are clearly other motives at play here to ban me that have nothing to do with the truth, much less, fairness. I hope Ray Stanford will take great satisfaction just as I know Chris O'Brien does. Ben Moss engaged in nothing but glaring personal insulting attacks and pure disinformation about Socorro. You will not learn the truth about this case if you rely on anything Ben Moss posts.
That is the end of DS's message.
I told DS I would pass on questions he already posted about before, but I'm not here to debate about DS. I will be posting about what I know regarding photographic evidence and anything else that may be of interest.
I will help DS with a "one time" message he wants out here, but I won't be passing on any more messages about DS being banned. Below is DissectionStalker's message.
To Everyone at the Paracast:
Chris O'Brien has no legitimate reasons for banning me now. I know it truly by what he did. His post below is UNTRUE, and you can prove it too. Here is what Chris alleges:
You can easily prove this is not true... Use the forum search engine. Search on my screen name DissectionStalker and Chris's direct word quotes: "fraud" "hoaxer" "cultist" and Stanford. Do each search separately, so you can see what happens. Here's what you get...
1) Zero matches for "cultist". I never alleged Stanford ran any cult, and I specifically removed the idea Stanford was a member of Adamski's cult in a post to the Micah Hanks thread and this thread to correct my mistake I made in one earlier post in this thread. Specifically, I said Stanford was NOT a member of Adamski's cult. Specifically, I said Ray did not live with Adamski for years. [That clarified the mistaken idea that I admitted was incorrect in one post I made.]
2) I never said Stanford committed fraud. Search Stanford and "fraud" for DS. That search gets only one match and PLEASE read that post linked just below, as that post only points out someone else, not DS, alleged Stanford is a fraud. This is someone else that was a dear friend of Gene Steinberg's and he was a guest on the Paracast multiple times, Jim Mosley, so this is getting hilarious! Just imagine Gene banning Jim Mosley, because he alleges Ray isn't telling the truth or is committing fraud. Here is that post:
Solid light beams (Bill Chalker, Michael Swords, and Ray Stanford)
3) I never said Stanford was a "hoaxer". Search DS and Stanford and hoaxer. I never made ANY post that said Ray was a "hoaxer".
Just to repeat one last time, on this thread and the Micah Hanks thread I made it crystal clear I retracted any idea that Ray Stanford was a member of Adamski's cult by saying that directly too... I said that Ray was not a member of Adamski's cult, nor did Ray live there for years. Clearly, I said that in writing!
But, contrary to what Chris O'Brien would lead you to believe on the Paracast with Micah Hanks, Ray was a follower and believer in Adamski according to Ray himself, and Ray and his brother were "true believers" too! I can prove it in Ray's own words in this podcast...
Here's the direct download to part 1 of Greg Bishop's show w/Stanford...
Go from the 3 minute mark to 14 minutes about Adamski. This matches EXACTLY the timeline I give just below.
I got my information from Ray Stanford himself. Seriously, he told his story on Greg Bishop's show. This is what Ray said himself:
1953 Ray buys Adamski's book AND BELIEVES what he read from Adamski himself.
1954 Ray starts writing Adamski as a believer. At 16yo Ray is doing ESP experiments to attract UFO's based on Adamski's ideas, and Ray claims success on a beach near Corpus Christi with many witnesses present. Ray even claims he got an article published in Fate Magazine about this ESP UFO event. Of course, Fate was science fiction fantasy.
1956 After High School Ray and his brother go for the Summer to Adamski's and stayed there for some period of time with multiple visits over the next few years. Ray continued to believe Adamski AFTER staying there.
1957 Ray writes a book with his brother called Look Up, and Ray still fully believes in Adamski. This is A FACT. Stated in Ray's own words: "We were true believers."
1958 During one of Ray's visits with his brother, finally, Adamski tells Ray and his brother how he faked UFO photos sometime in 1958, but, Contrary to what Chris O'Brien suggested, Ray NEVER was investigating Adamski at 18-20 years old. It is Adamski himself that confessed and showed them what he did.
That is EXACLY why I told Chris O'Brien to "get real" about suggesting Ray was investigating Adamski on that Paracast show. Ray was CLEARLY NOT investigating but believing in Adamski at 16yo at 17yo at 18yo and 19 years old. It was not until sometime in 1958, when Ray was 20yo, that he found out from Adamski himself. Ray Stanford admits they were total believers until that "eggnog moment".
So, Chris bans me for speaking the truth? I'm proud to stand-up to such abusive banishment.
Chris O'Brien, you're flat-out wrong and 100% misleading, when you said on the Paracast with Micah Hanks: "He would go out there and visit him because he was trying to figure out how he was hoaxing his photographs, and he finally got Adamski to fess-up and show him and his brother Rex how he was faking the [films and] photographs." <-That's pure BS Chris, and I prove it with Ray's own words. Period. Just listen to that podcast with Greg Bishop linked above.
Admit you're wrong Chris. Why did you say that?
That Paracast with Micah Hanks spent a lot of time talking about Stanford, so I wasn't posting off-topic or being mean towards Ray. Those are the only points I was trying to make which is the absolute truth according to Ray himself. Why should I be banned for the truth???
Part 2 of tht Podcast is linked below, and this is where Ray got very upset on Greg's show. Adventureman [he was on the Paracast show recently with Greg Bishop], and he [Walter Bosley aka Adventureman] got the direct wrath of Ray!
CLEARLY Chris O'Brien has no real reasons for banning me other than his clear bias for Ray. I was not posting any lies about Ray Stanford that Chris quoted me on above. Please search those words Chris used in quotation marks noted above to prove it.
Chris, you don't care about the truth or being fair minded, because you're blinded by your personal commitments to these people. This goes back to Terry Sherman too! People were covering-up the fact Sherman had an established friendship with Jr. Hicks [a notorious well known Ufologist in Utah] during his ownership of the Sherman [before Skinwalker] ranch and before he sold the ranch to Bigelow. I couldn't possibly believe "your word" Chris after I've seen such manipulative and/or naive acts on your part to ignore the possibilities that Sherman was taken-in by Jr. Hicks [or worse], and then you attempt to discredit [and attack] those with a different opinion than yours.
I have said many of Ray Stanford's claims about what he has on S-8mm and other [8mm or 16mm] film stocks are impossible. I provided the evidence in several posts and challenged ANYONE to refute what I posted. No one attempted to offer why I was mistaken! I definitely standby my proofs 100%, because I know photographically it is simply impossible. IF I am correct, and I am imo, then this leads to many motivations and a very few possibilities as to why this has happened. I've put forward many ideas about why this happened, but these are only possibilities. Since there can only be a limited number of reasons why this might happen, I did have "the balls" to stand-up to expose why Stanford's "film claims" are likely impossible. But rather than address why I'm mistaken, it's easy to just eliminate these possibilities about what may be "the truth" by banning me instead.
The glaring truth about this is no other moderator here at the Paracast was attempting to get me banned for my posts about Ray Stanford, and Chris O'Brien has a vested interest in Stanford's work both financially [book interest] and personally as his UFO Guru. Chris and Gene: Please get that FAA 1985 audio recording Ray promised the Paracast listeners. When Gene asked Ray if he would provide it, Ray said yes he would provide it. That FAA audio recording of a telephone conversation about the radar is in relation to Ray's "beam ahead" S-8mm film.
The following information recounts the reasons I was given two 30 day vacations from the forum:
1) I was only given TWO 30 day "vacations" from the Paracast. The first one came from Chris O'Brien for posting this message [link below] in question about Ray Stanford and a scientist named Myrabo. Please read that post, linked below, and see if you think it was so horrible. Myrabo's ideas are "nutty professor", and I thought Ray's assertion was "nutty" about discovering some "beam ahead" concept that was already known from the 1960's. I proved this in other posts. Just search my screen name and "beam ahead" or Myrabo. I had no intentions of allowing Chris to find another legitimate reason to ban me again, so I was very careful about what I said upon my return. Btw, Chris wanted me banned permanently for that alone. It is Gene that had to jump-in with a follow-up post stating it would only be for 30 days. Here is that post:
Torme will be on DMR
2) The second 30 day vacation was totally unfair, because Heidi and Mike were committing slander attacking me on the Roswell Slide thread. These two people were relentlessly accusing me of being a criminal hacker on that thread. I immediately asked them to stop, but they kept going. I asked Gene by PM to stop their slanderous allegations and delete those posts, but Gene allowed Mike and Heidi to continue to attack me with their posts remaining. Gene has never allowed anyone else to be attacked in such a slanderous way that was also a member at the Paracast too.
Strange how I got a 30 day vacation for never starting to post those slanderous allegations, and I was only defending my reputation against falsehoods. The hypocrisy is obvious and selectively unfair in this case, when people are allowed to callously and willfully destroy another person's character at the Paracast. I'm sure Chris O'Brien took pleasure in that, and I can prove it too.
Thanks for that second 30 day vacation. It was an honor to stand-up against two slanderous liars named Mike and Heidi.
Read this thread about how I was criminally hacked, and just watch Mike and Heidi go after me there too! You can find the slanderous posts in this thread too, because I had to link to those Roswell Slide posts proving what Heidi and Mike were doing to me in that thread too.
Being Hacked Online Criminally is Easy!
There were no other 30 day "vacation bans" but those two until Chris unfairly bans me now.
There are clearly other motives at play here to ban me that have nothing to do with the truth, much less, fairness. I hope Ray Stanford will take great satisfaction just as I know Chris O'Brien does. Ben Moss engaged in nothing but glaring personal insulting attacks and pure disinformation about Socorro. You will not learn the truth about this case if you rely on anything Ben Moss posts.
That is the end of DS's message.
I told DS I would pass on questions he already posted about before, but I'm not here to debate about DS. I will be posting about what I know regarding photographic evidence and anything else that may be of interest.
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withoutlimits09
Paranormal Adept
The above post seems reasonable. I don't think people should be banned outside of very objectionable posts. The terms "hoaxer" and "frauds," even if used, are part of the nomenclature that surrounds this field. There are too many questionable claims and suspect people peddling a lot of garbage. Regardless, this is a forum that should allow for a wide variety of viewpoints an opinions simply because the subject matter is so strange.
To start banning people over trivial posts and on loose grounds is a sad addition to this community. I myself have been ban multiple times and I don't troll nor and I malicious. However, sometime people don't like to hear the obvious or will insulate themselves around only people who abscribe to a particular world view.
The paracast's host are very clear about who they think the "cool kids" are and which researchers are worth ridiacule. If you find yourself supporting the wrong camp, look out!
To start banning people over trivial posts and on loose grounds is a sad addition to this community. I myself have been ban multiple times and I don't troll nor and I malicious. However, sometime people don't like to hear the obvious or will insulate themselves around only people who abscribe to a particular world view.
The paracast's host are very clear about who they think the "cool kids" are and which researchers are worth ridiacule. If you find yourself supporting the wrong camp, look out!
ChrisJohnsen
Paranormal Adept
#FreeDS
Ben Moss
Skilled Investigator
Ahh but this risen from the dead post is not truthful. I posted ZERO disinformation about Socorro, but risenfromthedead's OPINION is such. Anothet example of why he was banned since that statement is a lie. He likes to dish it out but cannot take it and now is mad he cannot play in this sandbox. Sour grapes is not the way to go out.
This isn't Tommy's Holiday Camp. Anonymous whining is lame mister Dstalker sock puppet. If you don't like benevolent dictatorships, meh.
Sometimes the things we lust for are the things most worth waiting for. This includes RS. Don't listen to me, go and establish your own dialog w/ the man & his passion. Go ahead!
It's your problem that you have issues w/ my opinion of the man. (FWIW: when I have "issues" I set out to research, investigate and attempt to ascertain the facts for myself.) IMO RS is an amazing storehouse of important history, experience and accumulated insight. Have a problem w/ this? Deal with it properly. Is one of your many hobbies on permanent display in the Smithsonian? Get real and do your own research.
Sometimes the things we lust for are the things most worth waiting for. This includes RS. Don't listen to me, go and establish your own dialog w/ the man & his passion. Go ahead!
It's your problem that you have issues w/ my opinion of the man. (FWIW: when I have "issues" I set out to research, investigate and attempt to ascertain the facts for myself.) IMO RS is an amazing storehouse of important history, experience and accumulated insight. Have a problem w/ this? Deal with it properly. Is one of your many hobbies on permanent display in the Smithsonian? Get real and do your own research.
withoutlimits09
Paranormal Adept
This isn't Tommy's Holiday Camp. Anonymous whining is lame mister Dstalker sock puppet. If you don't like benevolent dictatorships, meh.
Sometimes the things we lust for are the things most worth waiting for. This includes RS. Don't listen to me, go and establish your own dialog w/ the man. PM me for his contact info.
He is an amazing storehouse of important history, experience and accumulated insight. The man is truly brilliant! What part of this do you have a problem with?
Is your hobby on permanent display in the Smithsonian? Yeah, right—neither is mine. Chose your battles and squabbles wisely, dude.
That is my problem with RS. He knows how to
Do proper research, submit it to the right people and get recognized. He cares enough about his Dino bones and brags his name is in museums, yet can't or won't do any of the same things with his ufo evidence. Yet, he claims he is trying to get to the bottom of it. RS would do far more to help solidify "flying saucers" as a real phenomena worthy of academic recognition (like he so gladly brags about with his bones), yet unlike his work with bones, the UFO stuff stays hidden.
Why not take the same approach towards getting his UFO information out in the same ways he gained recognition for Dino hunting?
Ray knows he would not be in any museum if he only "talked" about his discoveries, showed them only to select people who stand in his living room, while ignoring mainstream academia.
Ray knows how to properly do this, the fact he hasn't leads me to believe, unlike his Dino bones, his UFO flying saucer evidence is very weak, and like the and Roswell slides, would be easily dismantled if ever released to the masses.
Just like the Roswell slide devotees, Who were highly criticized for their methodology by Chris, Ray is no different with his saucer films. He hypes it up all over the radio and podcasts, only shares them with a few hand picked devotees, and he refuses to allow anyone credible to look at them under peer review.
As bad as Greer is, at least he turned his "alien" over to an Ivy League school for study. Ray only shows the films on some old projector to people who won't challenge him.
Mr. Fibuli
Paranormal Adept
This is really, really disgusting. GROW UP.
Bob Watson
Paranormal Adept
This is utterly stupid I suggest stongly this topic be closed
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Mr. Fibuli
Paranormal Adept
You know that they'd just jump to the 'Sleep Paralysis-has anyone..' thread and keep going, right?
Mr. Fibuli
Paranormal Adept
I counted 67 instances of the words "I, me, and my" in that note. I wish Ray's supporters wouldn't feel compelled to fuel the fire by being goaded into defensive response by the 'Yeah and Ray's funky old projector is rusty' comments. (I'm trying to shame you into acting correctly
) i have to give props to Chris O'Brien for not responding more than he did in the face of antagonism. If I were someone who was banned, I would try to see the other side's POV and attempt to be positive. If I had someone who compulsively perseverated over something like this, I would attempt to ignore them.
This is why I can't have nice things.
) i have to give props to Chris O'Brien for not responding more than he did in the face of antagonism. If I were someone who was banned, I would try to see the other side's POV and attempt to be positive. If I had someone who compulsively perseverated over something like this, I would attempt to ignore them.This is why I can't have nice things.
Mr. Fibuli
Paranormal Adept
And I'm gonna KEEP filling up this space with dumb notes in attempt to dilute this pettiness until you all get a grip or the thread gets closed. Anyone who likes scifi instead of the terrestrial reality show rubbish can find some of my threads in the Free-wheeling chit-chat area. Also if you want some good damn common sense check my posts on this thread.
Anyone who likes scifi instead of the terrestrial reality show rubbish can find some of my threads in the Free-wheeling chit-chat area. Also if you want some good damn common sense check my posts on this thread.