truthseeker
Paranormal Maven
When do these folks have time to riot? Don't they have jobs? Oh yeah... LOL
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Riot Day in Ferguson, Missouri
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Stagger Lee
Paranormal Adept
Can a jury "deadlock" in a situation as this? If so, "that" should have been announced. In time, the locals would have moved on to other topics to yell about.
Wade
FeralNormal master
For my part DaveM I try to keep a very "centrist" attitude about most things. I am certainly not blind to the acts of injustice in this country, nor am i not blind that sometimes the fools deserve it because they bring it on themselves. For instance I'm am quite critical on the results of the investigation on the Trayvon Martin case, a clear case of unjustifiable homicide in my eyes. But i wasn't there.
The results are now released and should be available for public viewing... but I haven't checked. I am, as a non participant non victim, quite content with the results given the considerable detail that the D.A. gave out last night. Burnt pretty much summed it up earlier there is a lot of baggage on our collective heads ( not individual) from cases of true injustices, but i don't think this was one of them, unfortunately people were already primed to take action based on what was already "predicted" by many others as well. Apparently, upon reading the results of the investigation, one will come across multiple cases of fabrication, recantations and direct inconsistencies with other allegations/statements of many witnesses who were never there. All that aside, The chickens have come home to roost. Or given the timing of the verdict maybe I should say Turkeys.
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pixelsmith
Guest
It is good news for gun sales in Ferguson and across the USA. This should help with reducing violent crime in the near future. More guns equals less violent crime.
Stagger Lee
Paranormal Adept
Man, you love to tie that lure on and cast. Just a lil too obvious though.
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pixelsmith
Guest
Actually I was just reading about gun sales in ferguson and being a pro gun/2nd amendment advocate I thought I would mention it. To me this is good news because as I said more guns equals less violent crime.Man, you love to tie that lure on and cast. Just a lil too obvious though.
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Stagger Lee
Paranormal Adept
Wouldn't that depend upon the purchaser? Assuming he/she is responsible enough not to let their gun fall in the wrong hands? Not sure I'm able to wrap my head around the idea of "more guns equals less violent crime."
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pixelsmith
Guest
google it. you will probably even find a Harvard study on it.
Charlie Prime
Paranormal Adept
I don't think so. Grand Juries are different from Trial Juries. I think they must choose Yes or No to indict, based on a preponderance of the evidence, which is a very low 51% of the evidence.
In the Ferguson case the physical evidence showed it was pretty obvious Wilson was justified in defending himself with lethal force.
Below is a video of a cop killing a 19 year-old white girl in Kentucky earlier this year where the shoot was much less justified. Samantha Ramsey was running away from a beer party. The cop ran up to her car, and then claimed she was trying to run him over. He shot her several times and killed her. The Grand Jury did not indict him.
These murders by cop happen every day of the year, but only the shootings which support the Black versus White Cultural Marxism narrative get hyped up by the media, because they help advance corporate socialism.
Wade
FeralNormal master
It bears mentioning that officer wilson can still be brought up on civil charges where the burden of proof is much lesser but it doesn't look like the feds are going to get their hands messy on this one.
It goes without there was likely embellishments on both sides of the coin but I guess given a lot of the testimony issues under state guidelines there wasn't going to be enough proof to go forward.
It goes without there was likely embellishments on both sides of the coin but I guess given a lot of the testimony issues under state guidelines there wasn't going to be enough proof to go forward.
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My view is the perp got what he deserved, when you look at his thuggish attitude in this video
And compare it to the officers version of what happened
Officer Darren Wilson's Story of Shooting Michael Brown - ABC News
Brown seems to be someone who had decided the rule of law doesnt apply to him, and in making that decision in abandoning it, he also discards its protections.
And compare it to the officers version of what happened
Officer Darren Wilson's Story of Shooting Michael Brown - ABC News
Brown seems to be someone who had decided the rule of law doesnt apply to him, and in making that decision in abandoning it, he also discards its protections.
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
Well if you give police guns of course they will shoot people with them. How deserving people are of being shot really is a matter for courts to decide. Recently there have been some very interesting shootings involving kids with fake plastic guns, BB guns etc.. These types of wasteful deaths are inevitable in gun culture societies that have no means to moderate or regulate their guns and their purposes.
But regarding the Black vs. White hype I think that's only partially accurate. The media certainly has a major role to play in creating social chaos but there is also a specific history of white people killing black people, from slave era to lynchings to Martin. Therebhas been no redress in this history.
These are deserving of being high profile cases in order for society to think about how they want to answer to how violence has been historically used and is continued to be used in society as a means of social control especially when it comes to issues of difference and diversity. The barriers between police forces and both non-white sectors of society and the mental health sectors is something yet to be bridged, but is desperately needed to avoid ongoing social chaos.
Wade
FeralNormal master
yeah I think the rule of law got it right on this one. under questioning by the Grand Jury Officer Wilson testified the he felt he was looking into the eyes of the devil "He had devil eyes" I don't know if those words will come back to haunt him but it would indicate either the officer was lying under testimony, maybe exaggerated a bit or could have been in a confrontation with a man that was so filled with hatred with police (or maybe society) this type of outcome may have been inevitable.
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Officer Darren Wilson said Michael Brown "had the most intense aggressive face I've ever seen on a person,"
Which is consistant with the behavior we see in the video
He said that after he asked the two to move onto the sidewalk, one said, "F*** what you have to say," as they passed him.
He said that when he warned Brown he was going to shoot him and told him to get on the ground, the teen grabbed the gun and said "You are too much of a p***y to shoot me."
Seems like someone who was used to getting his way by intimidating those around him, was supremly confident he was untouchable.
Darwin award ensued
Which is consistant with the behavior we see in the video
He said that after he asked the two to move onto the sidewalk, one said, "F*** what you have to say," as they passed him.
He said that when he warned Brown he was going to shoot him and told him to get on the ground, the teen grabbed the gun and said "You are too much of a p***y to shoot me."
Seems like someone who was used to getting his way by intimidating those around him, was supremly confident he was untouchable.
Darwin award ensued
That's putting it mildly.
That's also putting it mildly.
Racism in America in all its hideous and dehumanizing forms is an ungrieved national sin that continues to poison this country. It is the sin that Nathaniel Hawthorne recognized as the most grievous of sins -- the sin against the spirit. How the blacks in this country have so far resisted entering into a race war against the whites is beyond me to understand. It must be the result of the strong religious faith developed in black communities everywhere in this country, preaching only passive resistance to outrageous injustice and endless psychological assaults on the personhood of most blacks in America for centuries now. Or maybe it's because unremediated suffering does inspire a superior moral insight on the part of those who are suffering in the midst of a living hell. I cannot understand why so many non-blacks in America are unable to see and feel all of this, to be fundamentally changed by it, and to act together against it whenever and wherever they can.
Charlie Prime
Paranormal Adept
What kind of "redress" do you think there should have been?
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
As Constance pointed out, racism is still one the great polarizing poisons rooted deep in America's fabric. The history of slavery has not been redressed, the genocide of aboriginal peoples has not been redressed and the treatment of Latinos in America has not been redressed. These unique histories are centred around oppressions that intersect with cycles related to class, addiction, health issues, low education and employment problems.
The history of these gross, violent and dehumanizing inequities have produced social issues that make achievement for different groups really complicated. Not only are there less privileges to start with compared to white society i.e. safe neighborhoods, access to strong education systems, employment development opportunities, violence free lives but issues of everyday racism withold basic opportunities that yield self-esteem issues & internalized racism. So yes, some people will look angry, and may even behave with a kind of vengeance in retaliation against a system so historically oppressive as from other perspectives it can be seen as relentless, even bloodthirsty.
Little has changed regarding how black people are portrayed in North American popular culture. What must it be like to grow up from a very early age believing your self-worth is defined by the colour of your skin? That needs a major alteration in how race relations work in America.
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