Rosemary Ellen Guiley

[Christopher O'Brien]

Been a while since I posted here. But I just wanted to say that when Chris asked REG if she knew of loggers who had had weird experiences that could be the result of cutting down a fairy or a djinn's favorite tree, I immediately thought:

Travis Walton?

Welcome back RPJ (its been awhile)— FWIW: Me and a GF camped on the Mogollon Rim just south of the TW/Turkey Creek site a couple of summers ago. I live to the west—just below the rim... AND...uhh, I didn't get abducted, visited, probed or have any kind of "weird" experience, but I sure appreciated the wondrous scenic beauty and boy: I sure felt refreshed and invigorated the following morning... And so did she...Its a beautiful, magical location—too bad it burnt down in 2002...

 

[Pierre]

I really dislike this woman, all she does it take different paranormal theories and combines them into one big steamy pile of bullshit. I don't understand why she keeps on making appearances on the paracast, she makes wild claims and states them as fact without a shred of proof to back her up. I first encountered rosemary listening to coast to coast which was not surprising because george nory has a knack for inviting nonsense guests, but I was really surprised to find her here after I finally started listening to the paracast. Let's take a look at some of her book titles: "The Dreamer's Way: Using Proactive Dreaming To Heal And Transform Your Life."
"The Encyclopedia of Angels. Facts On File" "The Miracle of Prayer: True Stories of Blessed Healings" and then my personal favorite "The Djinn Connection: The Hidden Links Between Djinn, Shadow People, ETs, Nephilim, Archons, Reptilians & Other Entities" She literally has bullshit written all over her books and still people buy them. In my opinion, like many other paranormal "celebrities", she is is only in industry to exploit it for fame and money and not to make any real contribution.

Note the complete lack of the word "allegedly":

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Have you actually read these books, or are you just complaining about the titles and the descriptions?

 

[Pierre]

Have you actually read these books, or are you just complaining about the titles and the descriptions?

No I have not read her books nor do I have any intention to do so. I have however heard about a half a dozen interviews with her on the paracast and coast to coast and that is what I base my judgement on. I do understand your point though Gene, my opinion holds very little ground because I have not read her books and thus I have an extremely incomplete view of her work.

It's certainly not my intention to start a flame war or anything like that. I just really dislike this guest, but I am sure that many others here on the forum enjoys her work

 

[Gene Steinberg]

One thing about not liking a guest. You don't have to listen if you don't like what they're saying.

 

[TalkingMeatSuit]

She seems like a nice enough lady; friendly, sincere... but I feel where you're coming from. I wouldn't read any of those books either. Once I see terms like archons, nephilim, djinn, etc it turns me off immediately.

Ancient Aliens is to Giorgio Tsoukalos as Djinn is to Rosemary - the default answer for everything.

 

[Pierre]

One thing about not liking a guest. You don't have to listen if you don't like what they're saying.

Am I being paranoid or do I sense a hint of hostility in your reply? I thought this forum was here for us listeners to express our opinions whether it is good or bad. I apologise if you feel my original post was a little over the top, perhaps I expressed myself more harshly than I intended (English is my 2nd language)

 

[Jeff Davis]

No I have not read her books nor do I have any intention to do so. I have however heard about a half a dozen interviews with her on the paracast and coast to coast and that is what I base my judgement on. I do understand your point though Gene, my opinion holds very little ground because I have not read her books and thus I have an extremely incomplete view of her work.

It's certainly not my intention to start a flame war or anything like that. I just really dislike this guest, but I am sure that many others here on the forum enjoys her work

Pierre,
It's tough not to be frustrated isn't it? But is there something more here other than the seeming nonsensical superstitions that her titles provoke to mind? There REALLY could be, IF, we use Phenomenology as an observation and experience gauge or template, when examining the reports this woman has shared in her books. You see, it may honestly seem like this particular guest is unsuited to the Paracast arena because of her "paranormal orientation", but is it really when we consider the "cave" analogy in which you blew my uneducated mind recently? I honestly don't think so. Chris and Gene, Gene and Chris, (what the beep ever, they're both excellent) make it very clear that they will NEVER stop examining the paranormal, from as many diverse angles as is necessary, in an exhaustive effort to ultimately reach the truth we both so earnestly desire to know. They also personally make very clear that observed UFOs in their opinion are a phenomena that have NOT been identified as interstellar "space ships". They could be, but BELIEVING they are does mfar more damage than it does to get at the objective and uninterpreted truth. I'll stay with them for that, because frankly it's the ONLY thing I am interested in with respect to the paranormal. The objective truth, as it relates to humanity's consciousness, and the subsequent reality that we all share in the biggest of pictures imaginable.

My mind is turned back to who I personally feel was the greatest researcher that ever lived with respect to the paranormal, and especially UFOs, John A. Keel. The man was so intensely intelligent and disciplined, that IMO, NO ONE has ever even come close to the level of exhaustive scrutiny put forth by this single individual. Ultimately, John Keel was the most unbiased, least influenced, and thorough, Phenomenological examiner that ever lived. What was the one thing that John claimed up until the time of his demise? That he was an expert in NOTHING with respect to the paranormal. Was this because John had an inferiority complex? Absolutely frickin NOT! It was because he critically understood, that with respect to the paranormal, the truly phenomenal, there simply can be no real experts because of the present or current limits of our own perceptions. Interpretation wasn't truth, and John KNEW that. It was simply the best that human beings could presently do with their observations of the paranormal.

The Paracast, along with one other gentleman whose name I will only state as being Tim, are without question, the fairest, broadest range of INTELLIGENT considerations, I have ever listened to with respect to the paranormal.

I fully understand your point, even so to the effect the I "liked" your post because of the rational manner in which you conveyed your thoughts clearly to Gene.

 

[Decker]

Pierre,
My mind is turned back to who I personally feel was the greatest researcher that ever lived with respect to the paranormal, and especially UFOs, John A. Keel. The man was so intensely intelligent and disciplined, that IMO, NO ONE has ever even come close to the level of exhaustive scrutiny put forth by this single individual. Ultimately, John Keel was the most unbiased, least influenced, and thorough, Phenomenological examiner that ever lived.

Jeff, I must disagree with your statement above. I knew Keel, shared drinks with him, interviewed him a number of times and he wrote for us in UFO Magazine. Please, do not get me wrong. I very much liked Keel (and he could be a trial sometimes) but John could have and did have some undeniable "blind spots." A case in point was around the 50th anniversary of the Roswell incident. Keel wrote an article for us claiming he was certain that the Roswell object was a Japanese Fugo balloon. First, one must know what that was. During WW II, in the latter half of the war Japan came up with a plan to "bomb" the U.S. and start huge fires in the western half of the U.S. by building balloons (out of rice paper, glue, etc.), getting them into the jet stream, and let the winds deliver the bombs. Actually a number did get here and in one case in Utah a family was killed and injured when they discovered one shortly after the war was over. But Keel was adamant that what was discovered in Roswell, NM was a Fugo balloon 2 years after the war ended. I find it very hard to believe that Marcel and Cavitt, both veterans of the 509th, and veterans of the Pacific War would have not been able to ID a Fugo balloon if they saw one. ( not to mention the rice paper surviving two years in the elements.) Actually there was nothing in a Fugo package that would have been unidentifiable. This was one case where Keel was obstinate to the extreme.

I have read all his books dealing with UFOs and the paranormal and even now very much enjoy his writing. But Keel did have and sometimes displayed a huge blind spot.

Decker

 

[Jeff Davis]

Jeff, I must disagree with your statement above. I knew Keel, shared drinks with him, interviewed him a number of times and he wrote for us in UFO Magazine. Please, do not get me wrong. I very much liked Keel (and he could be a trial sometimes) but John could have and did have some undeniable "blind spots." A case in point was around the 50th anniversary of the Roswell incident. Keel wrote an article for us claiming he was certain that the Roswell object was a Japanese Fugo balloon. First, one must know what that was. During WW II, in the latter half of the war Japan came up with a plan to "bomb" the U.S. and start huge fires in the western half of the U.S. by building balloons (out of rice paper, glue, etc.), getting them into the jet stream, and let the winds deliver the bombs. Actually a number did get here and in one case in Utah a family was killed and injured when they discovered one shortly after the war was over. But Keel was adamant that what was discovered in Roswell, NM was a Fugo balloon 2 years after the war ended. I find it very hard to believe that Marcel and Cavitt, both veterans of the 509th, and veterans of the Pacific War would have not been able to ID a Fugo balloon if they saw one. ( not to mention the rice paper surviving two years in the elements.) Actually there was nothing in a Fugo package that would have been unidentifiable. This was one case where Keel was obstinate to the extreme.

I have read all his books dealing with UFOs and the paranormal and even now very much enjoy his writing. But Keel did have and sometimes displayed a huge blind spot.

Decker

That Sir, is fascinating. I believe that Redfern feels about the same way as Keel did, or at very least attributes the matter to the US Military as being the responsible agent involved. I honestly am not a Keel worshiper in the sense that I have adopted his "end game" of demonic proportions on the matter in the least, but I do understand the complexity of his reasoning with respect for why he felt this way. It's just that what I have read of Keel's methods and dedication, they seemed unparalleled. Don, do you think that Keel's Operation Trojan Horse was truly the highly methodical, unbiased, 4 year, 7 day a week, 24 hours a day, 2000 page researched original rough draft, that he claimed it to be? If so, that would seem fairly monumental to me.

I totally agree with your blind spot point. Honestly Don, I think we all have them. I KNOW I do. It's almost a survival mechanism if you think about it. Our subconscious will discard information that reflects a threat to the views we hold onto as centric "unfounded truth" or delusion. I have a few myself I'm sure. I would imagine Keel's obstinance was due to just such a mental process.

Don, I have a question for you that I have never asked anyone, but you may know. Do you know if Keel was a religious man in the least? Was he raised in a religious home?

 

[Decker]

That Sir, is fascinating. I believe that Redfern feels about the same way as Keel did, or at very least attributes the matter to the US Military as being the responsible agent involved. I honestly am not a Keel worshiper in the sense that I have adopted his "end game" of demonic proportions on the matter in the least, but I do understand the complexity of his reasoning with respect for why he felt this way. It's just that what I have read of Keel's methods and dedication, they seemed unparalleled. Don, do you think that Keel's Operation Trojan Horse was truly the highly methodical, unbiased, 4 year, 7 day a week, 24 hours a day, 2000 page researched original rough draft, that he claimed it to be? If so, that would seem fairly monumental to me.

I totally agree with your blind spot point. Honestly Don, I think we all have them. I KNOW I do. It's almost a survival mechanism if you think about it. Our subconscious will discard information that reflects a threat to the views we hold onto as centric "unfounded truth" or delusion. I have a few myself I'm sure. I would imagine Keel's obstinance was due to just such a mental process.

Don, I have a question for you that I have never asked anyone, but you may know. Do you know if Keel was a religious man in the least? Was he raised in a religious home?

 

[Decker]

I believe that Redfern feels about the same way as Keel did, or at very least attributes the matter to the US Military as being the responsible agent involved.

I have interviewed Nick Redfern a number of times and when I have "pressed him" on this business of the bodies being former Japanese POW's and that other horseshit, he retreated and simply said that was his hypothesis and he was not wedded to it.

Don, do you think that Keel's Operation Trojan Horse was truly the highly methodical, unbiased, 4 year, 7 day a week, 24 hours a day, 2000 page researched original rough draft, that he claimed it to be?

Jeff I truly have no way of knowing if this is the case. Maybe something from his publisher? I am a published author and I know that publishers tend to exaggerate upon occasion. In the long run, if so, so what?

Don, I have a question for you that I have never asked anyone, but you may know. Do you know if Keel was a religious man in the least? Was he raised in a religious home?

Once again Jeff, I have no way of knowing but ... if I had to speculate I would say no. I noticed no evidence of that .. ever. Keel was a very proud Fortean which leads me to believe he was not religious. Keel was certainly a very complex man and I hesitate to speculate on areas of his life and belief structure that I have no knowledge of.

Decker

 

[red_pill_junkie]

Once again Jeff, I have no way of knowing but ... if I had to speculate I would say no. I noticed no evidence of that .. ever. Keel was a very proud Fortean which leads me to believe he was not religious. Keel was certainly a very complex man and I hesitate to speculate on areas of his life and belief structure that I have no knowledge of.

The fact that he was so interested in magic during his youth would make me assume he was not religious, since people who perform sleight of hands in front of an audience tend to become deeply skeptical of religions --case in point: Randi, Penn & Teller.

Then again, I do recall that Keel preferred to be regarded as a Demonologist rather than a UFOlogist

PS: I highly recommend the recently re-published JADOO to anyone interested in all things Keelian.

 

[TalkingMeatSuit]

Nice to see ya posting here RPJ - I enjoy your weekly red pill over at MU.

 

[red_pill_junkie]

Nice to see ya posting here RPJ - I enjoy your weekly red pill over at MU.

Well then you should comment on it once in a while, dammit!

 

[Randall]

I really dislike this woman ... Note the complete lack of the word "allegedly":

I don't know Rosemary well enough personally to have formed an opinion of her as a person, but I agree that her presentation lacks a clarification between mythology and belief. However if you set aside the issue of belief, and consider her presentation in terms of mythology, the content is actually well researched and pretty interesting, particularly the way she usually presents it in her written work ( I have a couple of her books ). To what extent Rosemary has incorporated all these ideas into the reality of her worldview is unclear. For example, she often speaks of what her sources and research says as opposed to what she personally thinks. So while I understand your reaction. Try looking at it as a study of various mythologies and superstitions and how the concepts can be viewed when seen from the different perspectives she puts forward.

 

[Pierre]

I don't know Rosemary well enough personally to have formed an opinion of her as a person, but I agree that her presentation lacks a clarification between mythology and belief. However if you set aside the issue of belief, and consider her presentation in terms of mythology, the content is actually well researched and pretty interesting, particularly the way she usually presents it in her written work ( I have a couple of her books ). To what extent Rosemary has incorporated all these ideas into the reality of her worldview is unclear. For example, she often speaks of what her sources and research says as opposed to what she personally thinks. So while I understand your reaction. Try looking at it as a study of various mythologies and superstitions and how the concepts can be viewed when seen from the different perspectives she puts forward.

I did intend to attack her personally, only her work. It was just me getting my wording wrong, my english is not perfect.

 

[Decker]

I know Rosemary and I like her. We had extensive contact during the Phil Imbrogno implosion and I can tell you she was very deeply upset over his (Imbrogno's) lying and deception.

At one point Rosemary wrote a book on among other things, vampires. She discussed the mythos etc. about the vampire subject. On one of her first appearances on DMR during the interview I asked her about a guy I had some very unpleasant dealings with in the UK, a MAJOR bullshit ARTIST named Patrick Sean Manchester. This psycho and I went "round and round" for several years. Actually you can find some stuff about him and the so-called Highgate Vampire case here on The Paracast. Because of my interest in vampires etc. I was highly interested in the so-called Highgate Vampire case and ended up doing quite a bit of investigation on it and tried to interview Manchester. He refused to allow me to get in contact with him. At anyrate, I knew Rosemary had traveled over there when she was doing her research on the vampire thing and she interviewed Manchester.

Now if you do not know about this case or Manchester ... I should tell you this case has gone on since about 1969, was very famous in the UK, a lot of TV coverage back in the day and Manchester was a genuine whore about getting his face on the telly. He claimed there was a "honest to God, blood sucking supernatural vampire" that took up residence in the famous Highgate Cemetery and he ended up staking the damn thing. These days he claims he is a Bishop in the Old Catholic Church and is Europe's formost Vampire Hunter! I shit you not. However the other thing this psycho does is cyber-stalk anyone who writes about this on the web. Many people have had to deal with this NUT-JOB calling their families, jobs, being reported for copyright violations, etc. This psycho pulled this bullshit on me here on The Paracast when I uploaded my investigation here on the forums. Well, my point was Rosemary.

He went after her, cyberstalked her, called her a CIA agent sent in to discredit this dick. (BTW, sound familiar?) I wanted to get her to discuss this ass-wipe on DMR but even then she was afraid of this asshole. Actually I felt bad for her, so cut her a little slack. All in all she is a good lady.

Decker

 

[Pierre]

So while I understand your reaction. Try looking at it as a study of various mythologies and superstitions and how the concepts can be viewed when seen from the different perspectives she puts forward.

The problem is that she incorporates different mythologies into theories and states it as fact, its irrelevant whether she actually believes her wacky stories, the problem is that she states her theories as fact and is labelled as non-fiction. Authors that do this is causing damage to the progress of all mankind (just my opinion)

Watch the video in my original post and tell me why that's not the most ridiculous nonsense you have ever heard.

I get so upset because rosemary actually goes to several u.f.o. conference and tells these tall tales as fact. People pay good money to supposedly gain some level of truth about the u.f.o. phenomenon and money hungry people are taking full advantage of this.

I am similar to David Biedny in that I get very angry when I see signs that people are using ufology for their own greedy reasons, there are so many hard working ufo researchers, using legitimate research, that have dedicated their lives to finding some shred of truth to this great mystery, only to be upstaged by total frauds like David Icke

 

[Randall]

I did intend to attack her personally, only her work. It was just me getting my wording wrong, my english is not perfect.

Hey, nobody's perfect ( except me of course ) . I'm glad you took the time to clarify your position ( although there are times when a video can really make you not like someone personally as well ).