Russia Attacks Georgia, WAR

[cottonzway]

The BALLS on these people! Killers telling people not to kill. They attack Russia with a proxy in Georgia and then try to blame them. Amazing. They are LOOKING for a war with Russia.

 

[Live at the Witch Trials]

I suggest you do some reading up on the subject before commiting yourself to posting vague outlandish statements.

 

[Poi]

The Russians hate us for our freedom? Doubt it.

They want Georgia back? Mebbe so, but if so, why?

The magic word may be *pipelines.* We have plans for a pipeline directly to the Black Sea. Russians have plenty of pipelines in the works for the similar routes. I've read that our pipeline would sit a mere few miles from the Russian border in Georgia. That's probably the real story, but there's a lot more reading to be had for the critical eye.

Recall that magic word when looking at a global map of the Middle East. Pipeline from the Caspian Sea to the Indian Ocean ... through Afghanistan and Pakistan. Shenanigans begin to make sense ....

 

[Live at the Witch Trials]

The Russians hate us for our freedom? Doubt it.

They want Georgia back? Mebbe so, but if so, why?

The magic word may be *pipelines.* We have plans for a pipeline directly to the Black Sea. Russians have plenty of pipelines in the works for the similar routes. I've read that our pipeline would sit a mere few miles from the Russian border in Georgia. That's probably the real story, but there's a lot more reading to be had for the critical eye.

Recall that magic word when looking at a global map of the Middle East. Pipeline from the Caspian Sea to the Indian Ocean ... through Afghanistan and Pakistan. Shenanigans begin to make sense ....

There already is a Pipeline in Georgia that connects the Caspian through Georgia to Turkey.

Russia wants to regain the territory of its former Republics.

 

[Live at the Witch Trials]

God Bless America !

As for the EU

This ^^^^^ is more like this vvvvv

 

[cottonzway]

I suggest you do some reading up on the subject before commiting yourself to posting vague outlandish statements.

I assume you are talking to me. What are the "vauge, outlandish" statements that you are talking about exactly?

 

[DBTrek]

God Bless America !

As for the EU

This ^^^^^ is more like this vvvvv

Ooooh! Hitler pic! Hitler Pic!

You're in for it now!
(or maybe the hosts are a little more chilled these days)

 

[ddd999]

Update/Thursday, 14 August 2008 :

-It was the Soviet Union that created a semi-autonomous region of South Ossetia in Georgia in 1922.

-Washington is showing unwavering support for Georgia in its conflict with Russia.

-Thousands of Russian troops remain in South Ossetia.

-They are also deployed in force in Abkhazia, Georgia's other breakaway province.

-The US has begun delivering aid by air to the ex-Soviet republic.

-President George W Bush called on Moscow to withdraw its forces from Georgian territory.

-Poland`s President Lech Kaczynski Wednesday criticised a plan by French President Nicolas Sarkozy to end Russia`s conflict with Georgia, saying it failed to protect Georgia`s territory


Ukraine News Agensy comment:

"Georgia is not perfect, but it is not a dictatorship. Its leadership does not peddle a phoney ideology, such as the Kremlin`s mishmash of Soviet nostalgia and tsarist-era chauvinism. It has a thriving civil society, vocal opposition and ardently wants to be in the EU and Nato."

 

[Aaron LeClair]

I'm not very informed on this matter, but so far I would just like to express how idiotic Bush is in telling them to cease fire. After the Iraq war!? Seems hypocritical to me. Bush can head a bogus war, but Russia can't attack Georgia? Oook. Maybe my views may change once I am more informed though.

 

[Live at the Witch Trials]

I'm not very informed on this matter, but so far I would just like to express how idiotic Bush is in telling them to cease fire. After the Iraq war!? Seems hypocritical to me. Bush can head a bogus war, but Russia can't attack Georgia? Oook. Maybe my views may change once I am more informed though.

Its crazy isnt it.

We should let Russia do what she wants shouldnt we ? Hell never mind the former Soviet Republics they should be allowed Reform the Warsaw Pact.

The US had the BALLS to stand up and aid a Democraticaly elected Government and help a country in its desperate time of need while the whole of Europe just looked on.

I am not saying that the US are whiter than white they have in recent decades made some appallingly eroneous Foreign policy decisions not unlike the United Kingdom.

But this isnt one of them.

Also i find it far from hypocritical Iraq is a totaly different situation in my opinion, thats not to say that I agree with the IRAQ question.

 

[Live at the Witch Trials]

I assume you are talking to me. What are the "vauge, outlandish" statements that you are talking about exactly?

Well for starters how about Elaborating on this Proxy war ?

And why does the USA want a WAR with Russia ?

 

[cottonzway]

Well for starters how about Elaborating on this Proxy war ?

And why does the USA want a WAR with Russia ?

That’s easy.

You understand how I am using the term “proxy” in this case right? Well, it goes like this.

The Republic of Georgia is a puppet state of the US/Israel and ran by the Western powers. The military is lead by and trained by the same group. That means ANY attack that would not be the act of a few random people would not only be known, but directed by the US/Israeli military/intelligence. That would mean the attack that started all of this, the unprovoked attack on the people of South Ossetia by the US/Israeli powers that control them.

That = a proxy war

As for WHY they want to attack? I would suggest, and this is MY opinion here, that the Neo-Conservatives and the Lukid party are ran by DEEPLY mentally ill people who are suffering from megalomania. I think it is important to address them as such and not as “idiot bunglers” that just have bad ideas. No, no, these are people who should be in mental homes. They are unstable and completely irrational. Why did they invade two countries and have a criminal military (ongoing) occupation on both of them? Why did they arm Pakistan with nukes and put a puppet dictator in only to now threaten them? Why have they given arms to both Sunni and Shai terrorists, hoping they wouldn’t go rouge? Why are they running war games to prepare for an air strike on Iran (possibly nuclear) when Iran hasn’t done anything and our own CIA say they are 9 years away from being able to create a nuclear weapon? These are patterns. Now they are hated by everyone and out of power soon and have done something beyond even I would think they would do. When there is no RATIONAL explanation for these actions you can only look at the people doing them analyze them. These are crazy murders who are going for broke. I don’t know how else to say it.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

But this isnt one of them.

Also i find it far from hypocritical Iraq is a totaly different situation in my opinion, thats not to say that I agree with the IRAQ question.

Yes, as I said, I may change my views once more informed. However, The Bush part will probably stay the same. Having Bush speak about war period is like drinking piss out of an ass. America can be the only one to fuk up? Not in my book.

 

[ddd999]

Putin's Russia now threatens Poland and Czech Republic with... wait for it.... nuclear weapons.


"MOSCOW - A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a U.S. missile interceptor base exposes the ex-communist nation to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons.

At a news conference earlier Friday, Nogovitsyn had reiterated Russia's frequently stated warning that placing missile-defense elements in Poland and the Czech Republic would bring an unspecified military response.

Poland and the United States on Thursday signed a deal for Poland to accept a missile interceptor base as part of a system the United States says is aimed at blocking attacks by rogue nations.

Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike — 100 percent," He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia's military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them."

"We have crossed the Rubicon," Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said, referring to U.S. consent to Poland's demands after more than 18 months of negotiations.

Poland has all along been guided by fears of a newly resurgent Russia, an anxiety that has intensified with Russia's offensive in Georgia."

...

 

[Live at the Witch Trials]

That’s easy.

You understand how I am using the term “proxy” in this case right? Well, it goes like this.

The Republic of Georgia is a puppet state of the US/Israel and ran by the Western powers. The military is lead by and trained by the same group. That means ANY attack that would not be the act of a few random people would not only be known, but directed by the US/Israeli military/intelligence. That would mean the attack that started all of this, the unprovoked attack on the people of South Ossetia by the US/Israeli powers that control them.

That = a proxy war

Nonsense. The conflict between South Ossetia and Georgia as well as Abkhazia has been on going for many many years.
And the true definition of a Proxy war is Georgia and South Ossetai have a war and both party's are armed and advised by Russia on part of the Ossetians and The USA on the part of Georgia.

Thus both partys are not engaged in Conflict directly but both are guideing the Course of events.
Your Argument dosent stand up as it is Russia Proper who is heavily engaged on behalf of the South Ossetians.

Also Georgia isnt a Puppet of the USA. In my veiw Georgia wants to be part of the west integrating fully with all democratic institutions and her Citizens want to prosper and live in peace also Georgia wants to guide her own destiny. Now what the hell has that got to do with Moscow ?

As for WHY they want to attack? I would suggest, and this is MY opinion here, that the Neo-Conservatives and the Lukid party are ran by DEEPLY mentally ill people who are suffering from megalomania. I think it is important to address them as such and not as “idiot bunglers” that just have bad ideas. No, no, these are people who should be in mental homes. They are unstable and completely irrational. Why did they invade two countries and have a criminal military (ongoing) occupation on both of them? Why did they arm Pakistan with nukes and put a puppet dictator in only to now threaten them? Why have they given arms to both Sunni and Shai terrorists, hoping they wouldn’t go rouge? Why are they running war games to prepare for an air strike on Iran (possibly nuclear) when Iran hasn’t done anything and our own CIA say they are 9 years away from being able to create a nuclear weapon? These are patterns. Now they are hated by everyone and out of power soon and have done something beyond even I would think they would do. When there is no RATIONAL explanation for these actions you can only look at the people doing them analyze them. These are crazy murders who are going for broke. I don’t know how else to say it.

Now here i was expecting you to enlighten me with some deep insight as to why the USA wants to start a War with Russia but you havent delivered have you.

You just come out with some Biased off the hip statements which are leading me to the conclusion that discourse with you is seemingly pointless.

Also i notice how you are quite fond of Including Israel in this. I would ask you to elaborate as to whats it got to do with the Israelis and what part are they playing but i wont be holding my breath for any Logic.

Good day to you Sir.

 

[Kieran]

Nonsense. The conflict between South Ossetia and Georgia as well as Abkhazia has been on going for many many years.
And the true definition of a Proxy war is Georgia and South Ossetai have a war and both party's are armed and advised by Russia on part of the Ossetians and The USA on the part of Georgia.

Thus both partys are not engaged in Conflict directly but both are guideing the Course of events.
Your Argument dosent stand up as it is Russia Proper who is heavily engaged on behalf of the South Ossetians.

Also Georgia isnt a Puppet of the USA. In my veiw Georgia wants to be part of the west integrating fully with all democratic institutions and her Citizens want to prosper and live in peace also Georgia wants to guide her own destiny. Now what the hell has that got to do with Moscow ?



Now here i was expecting you to enlighten me with some deep insight as to why the USA wants to start a War with Russia but you havent delivered have you.

You just come out with some Biased off the hip statements which are leading me to the conclusion that discourse with you is seemingly pointless.

Also i notice how you are quite fond of Including Israel in this. I would ask you to elaborate as to whats it got to do with the Israelis and what part are they playing but i wont be holding my breath for any Logic.

Good day to you Sir.

IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED, THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED BY BOTH Russia and Georgia's by themselves..... THROWING INSULTS AT EACH OTHER IS SERIOUSLY CAUSEING TENSIONS TO BUILD EVERY DAY in this crisis ....Americans neo cons are no even handed brokers they have there own agenda...do you really think they care about Georgia's welfare this is a power game between two super nations who were once enemys......oil is one reason, Bush so called democracy for every nation is another reason they are intervering into this internal conflict...let Europe broker a deal between this two nations not bully boy george and his cronnies if it does not work, invited the two leaders to a summit in a neutral venue of there choosing:question:

 

[Live at the Witch Trials]

IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED, THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED BY BOTH Russia and Georgia's by themselves..... THROWING INSULTS AT EACH OTHER IS SERIOUSLY CAUSEING TENSIONS TO BUILD EVERY DAY in this crisis ....Americans neo cons are no even handed brokers they have there own agenda...do you really think they care about Georgia's welfare this is a power game between two super nations who were once enemys......oil is one reason, Bush so called democracy for every nation is another reason they are intervering into this internal conflict...let Europe broker a deal between this two nations not bully boy george and his cronnies if it does not work, invited the two leaders to a summit in a neutral venue of there choosing:question:

You are being so Naive.

Russia wants back it's former Soviet Republics. It is not acting in a civilized way at all. Their Diplomats say one thing and their Army does another.

Saakashvili is a Stupid man he comes out with ill thought out statements he took an enormous gamble and now risks losing his Country.

These conspiracy "Neo cons" theories drive me up the wall.

They say that Conspiracy theories are the new religion and i think that it could be true. Its like a comfort blanket for idiots ! They dont fully take into account whats really going on as its easy spout the word "Neo-Cons".

Fuck it I'm a Neo Con then.

90 % of Conspiracy theories are the real Con ! Theyve all got books to sell !

Admittedly there are Conspiracys out there such as J.F.K., WaterGate, Roswell, and more.

But not everything is a Conspiracy Dammit !!!!!!!!!!!

Why didnt the Neo cons Grab Georgia at the fall of the Soviet Empire in 1991-2 when Russia was weak because they could have couldnt they ?

A Sovereign nation with a democratically elected government gets swallowed up by a much much larger country against its will and all people can do is blurt out NEO CONS.

Ive only heard this theory bandied about in general terms no specifics no outline and certainly no proper thought. And you know why ? because its the new mantra for Idiots who are too lazy to think things out for themselves so they go with whats fashionable on the Internet ie Alex Jones et al.

I just want to know the plan the Neo-cons have in the Caucasus ? Because i cant see one.

This is nothing anyway you wait for the Ukraine question to arise. Georgia is just Russia dipping her toe in the bath to see how hot the water is.

The Ukraine is a scenario of World War 3 type proportions.

 

[Live at the Witch Trials]

This a video a friend posted a few days ago.

 

[Kieran]

You are being so Naive.

Russia wants back it's former Soviet Republics. It is not acting in a civilized way at all. Their Diplomats say one thing and their Army does another.

Saakashvili is a Stupid man he comes out with ill thought out statements he took an enormous gamble and now risks losing his Country.

These conspiracy "Neo cons" theories drive me up the wall.

They say that Conspiracy theories are the new religion and i think that it could be true. Its like a comfort blanket for idiots ! They dont fully take into account whats really going on as its easy spout the word "Neo-Cons".

Fuck it I'm a Neo Con then.

90 % of Conspiracy theories are the real Con ! Theyve all got books to sell !

Admittedly there are Conspiracys out there such as J.F.K., WaterGate, Roswell, and more.

But not everything is a Conspiracy Dammit !!!!!!!!!!!

Why didnt the Neo cons Grab Georgia at the fall of the Soviet Empire in 1991-2 when Russia was weak because they could have couldnt they ?

A Sovereign nation with a democratically elected government gets swallowed up by a much much larger country against its will and all people can do is blurt out NEO CONS.

Ive only heard this theory bandied about in general terms no specifics no outline and certainly no proper thought. And you know why ? because its the new mantra for Idiots who are too lazy to think things out for themselves so they go with whats fashionable on the Internet ie Alex Jones et al.

I just want to know the plan the Neo-cons have in the Caucasus ? Because i cant see one.

This is nothing anyway you wait for the Ukraine question to arise. Georgia is just Russia dipping her toe in the bath to see how hot the water is.

The Ukraine is a scenario of World War 3 type proportions.

NAIVE TO WHAT EXACTLY I DONT BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACYS UNLESS THEY HAVE EVIDENCE..DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE AMERICA HAS GEORGIA'S INTEREST IN MIND....I AM OPEN TO DEBATE NO ARGUMENTS JUST DEBATE....WHAT DO YOU THINK IS AMERICA'S INTEREST IN GEORGIA:question:

 

[Live at the Witch Trials]

NAIVE TO WHAT EXACTLY I DONT BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACYS UNLESS THEY HAVE EVIDENCE..DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE AMERICA HAS GEORGIA'S INTEREST IN MIND....I AM OPEN TO DEBATE NO ARGUMENTS JUST DEBATE....WHAT DO YOU THINK IS AMERICA'S INTEREST IN GEORGIA:question:

Freedom for Georgia and Stability in the world.

In your last post you said

Americans neo cons are no even handed brokers they have there own agenda...do you really think they care about Georgia's welfare this is a power game between two super nations who were once enemys......oil is one reason, Bush so called democracy for every nation is another reason they are intervering into this internal conflict

Elaboate about the OiL. And what do you mean by "So Called Democracy" ?

let Europe broker a deal between this two nations.

This sentance leads me to believe that you are a little bit Naieve.

In terms of Diplomacy on the world stage the EU cannot cut the mustard ! Totaly inneffectual. I dont even think that they care theyre just going through the motions.

Sarkozy he should just change his name to Cosy because thats how he wants it. Why has not give a staunch press statement denouncing this Outrage ?

The only people who are helping are the Americans ! Because they have got Balls !

They helped us with the Marshall Plan in 1947 and now they are helping Georgia.

God Bless America and all her citizens !