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The Official Paracast Political Thread! — Part Two

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Markets Rebound After Trump victory

Again having worked in the stock market and Forex, i can tell you nothing is really lost. Money gets pulled out and moved from the risky investments to hedge accounts, sometimes on a large scale. But the risky bets are the ones that pay the best. Once the jitters calm the money flows back.

And once again this election wasnt about Trump vs Clinton.

It was about the established political order being on the nose to the common man/woman.

Hillary even insulted a huge chunk of the electorate calling them deplorables, and then arrogantly, fully expected to be President.

That in and of itself is astounding, It confirmed the sense that you little people dont matter.

The political class need to get it into their heads that the electorate is more connected via social media, people are used to having and expressing their opinion on a scale never seen in history
Well, being honest, I profited quite nicely from this election and I thought it was going to go the other way.

It's quite easy to make money off of fear.

And it's going to be quite easy to make more money off of bad American fiscal and foreign policy.

But that's because I have money to invest and the ability to view my financial decisions dispassionately. And that money will not be going back into the US until there are some good long bet fire sales to be had.

The ones that don't have the ability to do that are the very ones that voted him in.
 
Journalists didn’t question the polling data when it confirmed their gut feeling that Mr. Trump could never in a million years pull it off. They portrayed Trump supporters who still believed he had a shot as being out of touch with reality. In the end, it was the other way around.

It was just a few months ago that so much of the European media failed to foresee the vote in Britain to leave the European Union. Election 2016, thy name is Brexit.

And that’s why the problem that surfaced on Tuesday night was much bigger than polling. It was clear that something was fundamentally broken in journalism, which has been unable to keep up with the anti-establishment mood that is turning the world upside down.

Politics is not just about numbers; data can’t always capture the human condition that is the blood of American politics. And it is not the sole function of political reporting to tell you who will win or who will lose


A ‘Dewey Defeats Truman’ Lesson for the Digital Age
 
The mainstream media, not just in the US but around the world, got this election wrong. Very wrong.

They failed to read the mood of American voters.

Probably because they were too busy ridiculing Donald Trump as a candidate.
Many saw the election coverage as completely biased.



But what he managed to do, as Pauline Hanson has done here, is tap into the anger over declining industries, the loss of jobs, failures in healthcare and basic government services.

As one journalist wrote for the Washington Post: "Journalists - college-educated, urban and, for the most part, liberal - are more likely than ever before to live and work in New York City and Washington, D.C., or on the West Coast. And although we touched down in the big red states for a few days, or interviewed some coal miners or unemployed autoworkers in the Rust Belt, we didn't take them seriously. Or not seriously enough."


How did media get the Donald Trump story so wrong?

Pauline Hanson posts video online after Donald Trump wins the US election | Daily Mail Online
 
90% of the US media is owned by 6 companies. The reporters are going to write stories that reflect their owners' biases. They will not write that half of the voting public is unhappy and wanting deep changes. It's all about generating more profits for those owners.
 
90% of the US media is owned by 6 companies. The reporters are going to write stories that reflect their owners' biases. They will not write that half of the voting public is unhappy and wanting deep changes. It's all about generating more profits for those owners.

Exactly, They are part of the system The fourth estate is a term that positions the press as a fourth branch of government
 
Here's another possible element similar to the silent majority talking point that I forgot about. It was brought up a few weeks ago on a program I listen to and have heard it mentioned several times today. Obviously it wasn't about skin color but people just lying as opposed to keeping quiet about their choices because of sociological pressures.

Bradley effect - Wikipedia
 
Journalists didn’t question the polling data when it confirmed their gut feeling that Mr. Trump could never in a million years pull it off. They portrayed Trump supporters who still believed he had a shot as being out of touch with reality. In the end, it was the other way around.

It was just a few months ago that so much of the European media failed to foresee the vote in Britain to leave the European Union. Election 2016, thy name is Brexit.

And that’s why the problem that surfaced on Tuesday night was much bigger than polling. It was clear that something was fundamentally broken in journalism, which has been unable to keep up with the anti-establishment mood that is turning the world upside down.

Politics is not just about numbers; data can’t always capture the human condition that is the blood of American politics. And it is not the sole function of political reporting to tell you who will win or who will lose


A ‘Dewey Defeats Truman’ Lesson for the Digital Age
Well, if what you say is true, what happened in the U.K. And the USA is little different than what happened in Egypt.

And the Arab spring was a resounding failure. Of policy, of vision, and of execution. It ended up with the exact opposite result it intended: a more repressive protectionist regime that is even harder to get out.
 
Does anyone recall that at one point Trump suggested the muzzling of the free press, and stated that he was going to sue The New York Times, which he never did?

If the man had his way, there would be a state-owned media, and no more Paracast Political Thread.
 
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14947600_1154931981208665_3928908880533836357_n.jpg An open message to Donald Trump. .the office will change you mold you .you will come to know the extent of your power. you must change or the office will change you. If you cling to your current mindset you will be removed. Power changes a man..let us hope you can change..
blessed be...
Rikki
 
Here's another possible element similar to the silent majority talking point that I forgot about. It was brought up a few weeks ago on a program I listen to and have heard it mentioned several times today. Obviously it wasn't about skin color but people just lying as opposed to keeping quiet about their choices because of sociological pressures.

Bradley effect - Wikipedia

Yes that was mentioned in the media here weeks ago, and i made mention of it earlier in this or the other thread.
 
Well, if what you say is true, what happened in the U.K. And the USA is little different than what happened in Egypt.

And the Arab spring was a resounding failure. Of policy, of vision, and of execution. It ended up with the exact opposite result it intended: a more repressive protectionist regime that is even harder to get out.

True but i think the demographic is different

In places like the UK Australia etc the population isnt actively repressed. The dissatisfaction is more about not being heard by the political elites as opposed to being actively downtrodden and rights trampled
 
The dynamic as i see it in the west in particular where i live is this
The political/financial/social elites have an entirely different lifestyle to that of the mainstream populace
They dont live in our world and share our experience, and yet they are the very ones who have the direct control over the circumstances we live with and they dont.

They dont stand in queues, they dont sit with the great unwashed in the waiting rooms.

They say welfare needs to be cut, but refugee intake needs to be increased.

They wont have to stand in the longer queues or the overcrowded waiting rooms the decisions produce

They tell us a move from low to high density housing is sound fiscal practise (and it is indeed for the property developers) But they wont have to struggle to get on public transport as the population density gets higher, wont have to deal with the increased crime that comes as a result.

Classic example is happening in Melbourne where masses of south sudanese refugees have been resettled

Gangs of teenagers and young adults have been contributing to a surge in crimes, particularly in Melbourne’s east where carjackings, burglaries and theft are on the rise. But one of the defining characteristics of the young offenders is boldness and apparent indifferent to consequences.
Africa Media Australia chief executive Clyde Salumu Sharady told The Australian there is an increase in crime among young people broadly but particularly African youths, especially South Sudanese teenagers.
Mr Sharady said a medley of factors explained the phenomenon of rising criminality including unemployment rates, family trauma, language barriers and the demotion of men from traditional positions of influence in the family structure.



The following nails the problem

Victoria was in the grip of a “crime crisis”, Liberal police spokesman Edward O’Donohue told The Australian, blaming Premier Daniel Andrews for “complete lack of leadership”.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...e/news-story/956eb35d41405180ae7eb4241318c95e

The Premier (in Australia these are the leaders of their particular states,) gives warm fuzzy press conferences saying we Australians need to have a big heart and take these people in, But he wont ever have his house burgled his car jacked.

Brexit was about politicians telling the masses they had to accept more immigration like it or not, One nations rise was based on the same thing. Trump played to this narrative as well

Global far-right rejoices as Trump wins

The sentiment was shared by Nigel Farage, acting leader of the right-wing UK Independence Party and French far-right National Front party leader Marine Le Pen, who quickly congratulated Trump.
"You have fought a brave campaign," Farage, who had supported Trump at some campaign events, told him.
"Congratulations to the new president of the United States Donald Trump and to the American people, free!" Le Pen tweeted.
"Their world is crumbling. Ours is being created," Le Pen's chief strategist Florian Philippot tweeted.
In Germany, a leader of the right-wing Alternative for Germany (AfD) party said that Trump's victory was "a signal that citizens of the Western world want a political change of course."
"Not only in the US, but also in Germany citizens want secure borders, less globalisation and common-sense policies that are more focused on their own country," Beatrix von Storch wrote on Facebook.
Greece's far-right Golden Dawn party hailed the US election result calling it a victory against "illegal immigration" and in favour of ethnically "clean" nations.
"This was a victory for the forces which oppose globalisation, are fighting illegal migration and are in favour of clean ethnic states, in favour of self-sufficiency in the national economy," a spokesman of the party said in a post on YouTube.
"A great global change is starting, which will continue with nationalists prevailing in Austria, Marie LePen in France and Golden Dawn in Greece."
 
Here's the downside for Trumpists, who are certainly entitled to celebrate their victory today: no-one governs forever, and the flip-side of Trump and the polarization that he represents is the ultimate election of a progressive socialist like Sanders. Mark my words, it's coming. I'm cool with that, but I suspect that Trumpists won't like how the the law of unintended consequences plays out in the long run.

Paul, I need to first express to you, apart from this post presidential win political BS, that I personally think your contributions to better understanding what is the UFO Phenomenon are of the highest caliber. For those possibly not familiar with Paul Kimball, he's truly up there with the best in respect to very well conveyed contemporary UFO research. Whereas people like Jacques Vallee, Jenny Randles, John Keel, Christopher O'Brien, Eric Ouellet, etc. have on the upper most shelf, helped to both shape and forward our perceptions of the phenomenon, IMO Paul's efforts, like those of fellow historians, and documentarians, Jerome Clark, Albert Rosales, Charles Bowen, Kevin Randle, etc. been utterly foundational with respect to exacting and clearly conveying vistas of well rounded UFO & Fortean relevant information. If you have not seen and have a real interest in UFOs, you will definitely want to. It's a very well done documentary that presents what are 10 of the best UFO cases of all time. It's a well balanced and very well done documentary that's currently available as a three separate documentary set, all by Paul and at a great price at Amazon.


Political BS Related:
My only disagreement concerning your projected political seesaw eventuality is that it really does not have to go that way in the least. Certainly it could most definitely go that way, *if* Trump fails. When you accept that much as a given, you pretty much fall well away from the line of reasoning that sees the real and feasible possibility that he won't. There was a time when the United States was second to none. Philosophies and political methodologies that seek to systematize a dependence on individual productivity for the sake of a uniformly enforced socialized stability are in and of themselves merely formulas that insures mass mediocrity. That my friend is the BS road we've been on for the last 5 or 6 decades since Lyndon B. Johnson became president and repealed the silver standard. Trump supporters just want to get back to being the best wherein there is no place for the certain eventuality of socialized mediocrity. Trump supporters believe that we can do that through an insistence on the efficiency of internalized reliance. Which, we most certainly can and will I believe. We do not need to be trading with east china in order to get nails, hairpins, and door knobs no matter who's pockets are being lined with payola. We need to strongly encourage and incent manufacturing within the United States again. Something those who's greed infested over reliance on production based taxation strangulated nearly out of existence. And the really sick thing, they feigned "socialism" when that watering hole dried up, all so they could break the working classes proverbial balls to forward their self rewarding causes.

But no, a presiding rule within the United States consisting of a far left leaning socialist system is not a certain eventuality here, rather that is precisely what is the hot mess that we just decisively aborted. The United States cannot consist of the type of watchmaker socialized precision that some of the upscale Scandinavian country's enjoy. Why? Well, for one thing it's not within our formative code to do so. Unlike those Scandinavians, we allow and encourage LEGITIMATE immigration into our county in numbered percentages that would see them go bust in just a few years. We are first and foremost a country built of hard work and opportunity wherein all income classes are in FACT treated equally. Unlike Scandinavian countries wherein the national average median income is better than 60,000 USD. Everyone has the equal opportunity to come here, work very hard, and get rich, or come here, be a relatively useless slob and stay poor. You will not however be able to come here any longer and expect a hand out, or any form of falsely legitified entitlement. You will take the same route the rest of us had to take or you'll starve until you find the motivation to survive. Scandinavian countries, or any country for that matter that are built from formulas reliant on objective intelligence, do not encourage that type of freeloading and utter inefficiency. They would collapse soon after if they did.

I think the Trump thing is just the beginning. Not just a ripple in the political pond, or an interjection into the bipartisan cyclic makeup of the United States professional politics as usual. It is our hope that Trump is the death of that parasitic scourge.
 
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The non stop news coverage continues here today, and clearly most of our politicians still have their heads where the sun dont shine.
The narrative is an externalised questioning of what this means for australia, what does it mean for trade, for security etc etc.

No one is asking the real question, the elephant in the room.

What does this result mean in terms of the electorates world view, its political cognitive dissonance at its very shiny best
 
"partisan feeling must yield to patriotism"

And I don't even live there, but I do genuinely hope President Trump delivers, and is a president for all Americans.

A lot has been said in this thread, but I would like to take this opportunity to thank Gene and the Paracast for hosting the discussion, and all the contributors.

I would feel right if I didn't give a special mention to @Jeff Davis for being honest and frank, I won't pretend I like some of the things that were said, or agree with them, but I am grateful for the insight.
 
Here's the downside for Trumpists, who are certainly entitled to celebrate their victory today: no-one governs forever, and the flip-side of Trump and the polarization that he represents is the ultimate election of a progressive socialist like Sanders. Mark my words, it's coming. I'm cool with that, but I suspect that Trumpists won't like how the the law of unintended consequences plays out in the long run.

That's what they counted on with Hillary. As regards this inevitability of a pure socialist being elected, don't assume resistance to that is not palpable. The attempt may be made, but the pursuit of such an objective may be rendered too costly. That said, I think there's a lot of ballyhoo from the left because they lost this one and they're unsure how long it will go this way, and they worry about lost ground. :)
 
Here is some food for thought;

You know how the Hillary supporters are probably filled with angst, disgust, shock & disappointment? That's exactly how millions of men & woman in the armed forces felt when Bill Clinton got elected. They thought "Wow, really?? While being in the military is not a requirement to become president, I never thought a draft dodger would be elected as the commander in chief of all U.S. armed forces."

I'm not saying anybody expects to change your mind on how you feel right now, but trust me, the way you feel is exactly how a lot of people felt when BC won the position. Not just once, but twice.

I saw a sign one time and it said; Only in America can a homeless veteran sleep in a cardboard box while a draft dodger get's to sleep in the White House.

Now before anyone automatically assumes I'm a right wing Republican - I voted TWICE for Obama.
 
Here is some food for thought;

You know how the Hillary supporters are probably filled with angst, disgust, shock & disappointment? That's exactly how millions of men & woman in the armed forces felt when Bill Clinton got elected. They thought "Wow, really?? While being in the military is not a requirement to become president, I never thought a draft dodger would be elected as the commander in chief of all U.S. armed forces."

I'm not saying anybody expects to change your mind on how you feel right now, but trust me, the way you feel is exactly how a lot of people felt when BC won the position. Not just once, but twice.

I saw a sign one time and it said; Only in America can a homeless veteran sleep in a cardboard box while a draft dodger get's to sleep in the White House.

Now before anyone automatically assumes I'm a right wing Republican - I voted TWICE for Obama.
we all make mistakes (Obama twice??)

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