The Official Paracast Political Thread! — Part Two

[SRL+]

Another conspiracy?
Looks like Clinton will win the popular vote despite losing in electoral college

 

[Jeff Davis]

Another conspiracy?
Looks like Clinton will win the popular vote despite losing in electoral college

The reason I stated I don't believe it is because the bottom line is not in yet. The link I provided in my last post has a real time counter that's constantly being updated. Ultimately Trump won, but I really don't believe Hillary won the popular vote. It will take weeks to know that for certain. Just more of the liberal media playing out their Hillaryous shenanigans.

 

[SRL+]

I am being very serious when I fully and adamantly contend that what we have clearly seen in the ushering in of President Trump, is nothing short of a vast majority of the United States citizenry having declared, and having won, a peaceful revolution.

I'm simply quoting your very words.

 

[DaveM]

The facts are: the US uses the Electoral College system. Every candidate knows this going in so the popular vote argument is basically irrelevant.

 

[SRL+]

You'd think that all US citizens would know that.

 

[DaveM]

You'd think that all US citizens would know that.

Some citizens didn't take or pass a basic civics class while in high school.

 

[Wade]

The facts are: the US uses the Electoral College system. Every candidate knows this going in so the popular vote argument is basically irrelevant.

But it's not really all that irrelevant. Hillary did have history against her in this bid so, in a historic sense her loss shouldn't be too surprising. If Trump had won in a landslide I'd say yeah that's a ringing endorsement and the people decided but if he does lose the popular vote and essentially won the electoral college by a large state I'd say that was quite significant.

 

[Paul Kimball]

Here's the downside for Trumpists, who are certainly entitled to celebrate their victory today: no-one governs forever, and the flip-side of Trump and the polarization that he represents is the ultimate election of a progressive socialist like Sanders. Mark my words, it's coming. I'm cool with that, but I suspect that Trumpists won't like how the the law of unintended consequences plays out in the long run.

 

[marduk]

Here's the downside for Trumpists, who are certainly entitled to celebrate their victory today: no-one governs forever, and the flip-side of Trump and the polarization that he represents is the ultimate election of a progressive socialist like Sanders. Mark my words, it's coming. I'm cool with that, but I suspect that Trumpists won't like how the the law of unintended consequences plays out in the long run.

In a way, maybe this had to happen. Because if Clinton won, everything would have been a liberal conspiracy.

Now, everything is on the republicans, good or bad.

And since math is math and they seem to have trouble with simple addition and subtraction, that should be an interesting conversation a year or two down the road.

America needs to take a cold hard look at who it wants to be.

 

[Jeff Davis]

I'm simply quoting your very words.

And my very words are 100% CORRECT. Both in that the popular vote has not been finally tallied yet, and that the vast majority of the United States citizenry's vote went to Trump. What don't you get about that? Would you not call a 228/279 electoral split, a split that will most likely grow even wider, a vast majority? You do realize the difference between a democratic majority, and the popular vote don't you?

 

[Gene Steinberg]

In a way, maybe this had to happen. Because if Clinton won, everything would have been a liberal conspiracy.

Now, everything is on the republicans, good or bad.

And since math is math and they seem to have trouble with simple addition and subtraction, that should be an interesting conversation a year or two down the road.

America needs to take a cold hard look at who it wants to be.

But the Republicans have to be disappointed. If Hillary won, they'd spend the next four — or eight — years digging up dirt on her and holding Congressional hearings in advance of an impeachment attempt. If you thought eight hearings on Benghazi was enough, you'd have to be prepared for twice that many, buttressed by more hearings about emails, the Clinton Foundation and all that other stuff.

At the end of the day, we'd suffer through endless controversy and cable news talking heads shouting at one another.

At least with Congress and the President all Republicans maybe that won't happen. Or it will if Trump tries to exert his independence of the process. Indeed, he was elected, in part, to take down the system, and that may cause trouble if the powers that be decide to defend vested interests.

And, no, 11 million undocumented immigrants will not be deported, nor will we build a wall that will be paid for my Mexico. You could see, at the end of the campaign, how Trump began to moderate some of the excesses.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

And my very words are 100% CORRECT. Both in that the popular vote has not been finally tallied yet, and that the vast majority of the United States citizenry's vote went to Trump. What don't you get about that? Would you not call a 228/279 electoral split, a split that will most likely grow even wider, a vast majority? You do realize the difference between a democratic majority, and the popular vote don't you?

As Electoral votes go, it's a fairly slim majority. The results in several states were close enough that a very minor change in turnout or voter preferences could have reversed the outcome. So far, Clinton is slightly ahead in the popular vote, but close enough that the difference isn't drastic. Trump's margin in Michigan is razor thin (around 13,000 votes or so) as I write this and they haven't declared it yet. This was definitely a skin-of-your-teeth win, but so was 2000.

At least Sheriff Joe is gone.

 

[DaveM]

Everyone seems to forget that Hillary supposedly had this election in the bag. Trump was a buffoon, misogynist, however way you wanted to paint him. It seems to me like she was expecting a coronation of sorts. It was her turn, the first female president in US history. Unfortunately she was a product of the system and people were tired of the Clintons, Bush Sr. and son and Obama.

That's 28 years worth of unfulfilled promises in many people's minds. The middle class is dwindling away. Do I think that Trump is the solution? Hardly. No one likes the lesser of two evils choice but I'm betting many people looked at it that way. We will all find out soon enough how it all plays out.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

It's also the last gasp of the white majority that doesn't want to cope with the "browning" of America. I agree with you that a lot of people were left behind by both parties over the years, and Trump conveys the impression he wants to blow up the system. But how's he going to do with a Republican majority in Congress who expects their agenda to be followed? Will he acquiesce or assert his independence? If the latter, it's gonna get real ugly fast. He deprived the Republican Party of holding daily hearings about alleged Clinton scandals, and they may want payback. He's not the sort who'd rubber stamp.

 

[SRL+]

As Electoral votes go, it's a fairly slim majority. The results in several states were close enough that a very minor change in turnout or voter preferences could have reversed the outcome. So far, Clinton is slightly ahead in the popular vote, but close enough that the difference isn't drastic. Trump's margin in Michigan is razor thin (around 13,000 votes or so) as I write this and they haven't declared it yet. This was definitely a skin-of-your-teeth win, but so was 2000.

At least Sheriff Joe is gone.

It may be looked at that Gary Johnson took away from Clinton.

"Johnson brought in 4,042,291 votes."

When tallied including Johnson, it really doesn't sound like a resounding win for Trump

 

[mike]

Markets Rebound After Trump victory

Again having worked in the stock market and Forex, i can tell you nothing is really lost. Money gets pulled out and moved from the risky investments to hedge accounts, sometimes on a large scale. But the risky bets are the ones that pay the best. Once the jitters calm the money flows back.

And once again this election wasnt about Trump vs Clinton.

It was about the established political order being on the nose to the common man/woman.

Hillary even insulted a huge chunk of the electorate calling them deplorables, and then arrogantly, fully expected to be President.

That in and of itself is astounding, It confirmed the sense that you little people dont matter.

The political class need to get it into their heads that the electorate is more connected via social media, people are used to having and expressing their opinion on a scale never seen in history

 

[SRL+]

To play the devil's advocate here:

"Hillary Clinton's Accomplishments Speak for Themselves"
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/lesli...clintons-accomplishments-speak-for-themselves
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/lesli...clintons-accomplishments-speak-for-themselves

 

[Randall]

Trump won due to his expressed outrage aimed squarely at an extremely corrupt system that has been bent on forwarding itself by enslaving the people that built it for many years now.

Sounds a lot like a projection reaction on his part.

 

[DaveM]

Markets Rebound After Trump victory

Again having worked in the stock market and Forex, i can tell you nothing is really lost. Money gets pulled out and moved from the risky investments to hedge accounts, sometimes on a large scale. But the risky bets are the ones that pay the best. Once the jitters calm the money flows back.

And once again this election wasnt about Trump vs Clinton.

It was about the established political order being on the nose to the common man/woman.

Hillary even insulted a huge chunk of the electorate calling them deplorables, and then arrogantly, fully expected to be President.

That in and of itself is astounding, It confirmed the sense that you little people dont matter.

The political class need to get it into their heads that the electorate is more connected via social media, people are used to having and expressing their opinion on a scale never seen in history

You can't expect to get the West Virginia vote when you tell the coal miners and companies to be ready to lose your jobs and livelihood if I am the next president. Utter arrogance and stupidity on her part.

 

[mike]

These populist revolutions are happening the world over, we saw them reflected in Australias recent election, we saw it in Brexit.
France has an election next year and weve seen right wing wins in other parts of europe already.

The media has utterly failed to read the antiestablishment mood and has thus failed in its principle function