The Official Paracast Political Thread! — Part Two

[SRL+]

This is continuing to be enjoyable.

 

[Ezechiel]

This is continuing to be enjoyable.

The ultimate collision between 'reality TV' and the real world. It's going to be brutal... sparks flying on a planetary scale.

We've seen the Kardashian crash after she got robbed. I'll let others fathom the depth of this, entertainment until it hits your pocketbook

 

[SRL+]

The Jerry Springer Show 24/7. It's just what America needed.

 

[Jeff Davis]

Saudi student is beaten and killed and Wisconsin over the weekend: Saudi student is beaten, killed in Wisconsin

What some do not seem to accept is that all groups have bad apples that should be 'feared'. Muslims are a case in point. So are Christians, and in that we could include Judaism with Israel.

So with Trump voters - not all but a significant segment see Trump's election as a 'permission' to enage in hate speech and hate actions. The evidence is right there in front of us all. That there are some who cannot discern what is 'hate' is itself disquieting.

Tyger,
Thought you might enjoy what great and respected thinkers have to say about freedom of expression. Especially since you seem to feel entitled to classify and enlist your own powers of discernment by judging those you are referring to here.

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
― Daniel Patrick Moynihan

You'd do well to learn from this one as you rarely seem to have real pertinent facts to back up what you contend. Situations like the most unfortunate one that you linked to here do not embolden your argument with pertinent facts in the least, rather they merely serve your attempt to create designed perspective by adjoining tragedy with your own alarmist conclusions. Here are two very pertinent and critical facts concerning your linked to "hate crime" case.

"An assailant described only as a white male about 6 feet tall assaulted Alnahdi shortly after 2 a.m. CT on Halloween near a pizza restaurant, according to Menomonie police. "

"Police said the motive for the slaying is not yet clear."

The sad thing is that over the years Tyger, I have watched you and your forwarded liberal agendas, repeatedly, via the real evidence shown to you that proved you unquestionably as being wrong, only to witness you keep right on believing what you want to believe despite these clearly evidenced facts. I ask you to please start assuming more responsibility for the perspectives as fact that you're attempting to sell. Learn to separate the facts from the editorial, and the dogma from the sermon, please.

“All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions. Consequently, the first condition of progress is the removal of censorship.”
― George Bernard Shaw,

Are you REALLY into progress Tyger, or are you just comfortable being called a "progressive"?

“Nobody has the right to not be offended. That right doesn't exist in any declaration I have ever read.

If you are offended it is your problem, and frankly lots of things offend lots of people.

I can walk into a bookshop and point out a number of books that I find very unattractive in what they say. But it doesn't occur to me to burn the bookshop down. If you don't like a book, read another book. If you start reading a book and you decide you don't like it, nobody is telling you to finish it.

To read a 600-page novel and then say that it has deeply offended you: well, you have done a lot of work to be offended.”
― Salman Rushdie

Honestly Tyger, you'd do well to tend your own garden, instead of trying so hard to impress everyone else that theirs is soon to be devoured by starved vermin. Your progressive gardening is all one big falsehood. Anyone that knows anything about gardening will tell you that the secret to it's success is vigilance. You've got to really stay on top of your own game if you ever expect to have any yourself. When we believe ourselves different, or above nature as a whole, it's a certain indicator of what is a flawed premise. Seek to adapt to overcome within nature, rather than to overcome nature itself, in an effort to adapt apart from it. Nature is bigger than any of us, and we all do our best when we first learn our place within it.

“Free speech means the right to shout 'theatre' in a crowded fire.”
― Abbie Hoffman

Please, stop pretending that you have the right to tell others what they can say and feel. With respect to being the best that anyone can be, only the solving of problems strictly relative to the isolation of the self can ever achieve such a result. This is a most responsible proclamation, as it is in essence, the most effective refining process that we can undertake with regard to what is the state of being.

 

[Tyger]

Things may not be as grim as once thought

‘Prediction professor’ who called Trump’s big win also made another forecast: Trump will be impeached

But a President Pence - while it may be what the Republicans want - will not be a good event for the US. Who called Pence the Christina Taliban - someone on this thread?

 

[Tyger]

‘Prediction professor’ who called Trump’s big win also made another forecast: Trump will be impeached
LINK: ‘Prediction professor’ who called Trump’s big win also made another forecast: Trump will be impeached
TEXT: "At the end of our September conversation, Lichtman made another call: that if elected, Trump would eventually be impeached by a Republican Congress that would prefer a President Mike Pence — someone whom establishment Republicans know and trust.

" 'I'm going to make another prediction,' he said. 'This one is not based on a system; it's just my gut. They don't want Trump as president, because they can't control him. He's unpredictable. They'd love to have Pence — an absolutely down-the-line, conservative, controllable Republican. And I'm quite certain Trump will give someone grounds for impeachment, either by doing something that endangers national security or because it helps his pocketbook.'

"So while Republican voters clearly came home before Nov. 8 — network exit polls show 90 percent of GOP voters cast ballots for Trump — it's less clear that the party leadership is on board. (Lichtman actually isn't the only person to predict a Trump impeachment; this morning, the New York Times's David Brooks suggested that a Trump impeachment or resignation was “probably” in the cards sometime within the next year.)"

 

[Tyger]

This is continuing to be enjoyable.

It will be interesting to watch for sure. Trump has already - after his meeting with Obama - changed his mind about dismantling the Affordable Care Act ('Obamacare'). Actually, that single fact bodes well - he is listening. Maybe. He also might be being 'handled'. Either way, we just dodged a bullet. Still needs to be changed to Single Payer, though.

P.S. It was never going to happen a friend of mine says. If the Republicans repeal it they own the problem. So my guess is the 'handlers' made it clear that to repeal ACA would mean a sure-fire loss for the Republicans at the mid-term elections in 2018.

The back-room bargaining that must be going on! Truthfully, in all the pictures of Trump since the lection - which is only a squeak in the past (three days) he looks a bit dazed. He's learning the lay-of-the-land and who's really in charge, methinks. Not what he thought it would be?

LINK: Donald Trump just did a U-turn on his biggest campaign promise

 

[marduk]

It has become quite a sticky wicket, although, the US and its allies have survived the assassination of JFK, the fallout from the Vietnam War, and the Cuban Missile Crisis. Once Trump possibly moderates in making his policies clearer the civil unrest may subside.

You will survive.

But you will never be the same.

America has lost the moral high ground. Forever.

 

[Tyger]

You will survive.

But you will never be the same.

America has lost the moral high ground. Forever.

I think we lost the 'moral high ground' some time back - certainly with Bush/Cheney and the Iraq War - and imo a lot further back with Iran Contra. Just keep going down the list. During the Vietnam era the US was reviled abroad. Moral High Ground? With 'enhanced interrogation techniques'? If ever we lost our soul - and our standing - it was then. Not to mention the drone warfare in recent years.

 

[marduk]

I think we lost the 'moral high ground' some time back - certainly with Bush/Cheney and the Iraq War - and imo a lot further back with Iran Contra. Just keep going down the list. During the Vietnam era the US was reviled abroad. Moral High Ground? With 'enhanced interrogation techniques'? If even we lost our soul - and our standing - it was then. Not to metion the drone warfare in recent years.

With the exception of the invasion of Iraq, never so overtly.

And this is the first time you've put a blatantly evil person in power. On purpose.

It speaks to the moral sentiment of your country.

Again I ask: who do you want to be?

 

[Tyger]

"If there’s one fact that stinks to high heaven about the entire affair, it is that Megan Kelly didn’t report about this Republican question incident during the election, or at the same time that stolen emails caused major embarrassment to Democrats.

"Sadly, Megan Kelly must have been rightfully afraid of incurring the wrath of Trump in mid-October. For that reason, Ms. Kelly abandoned her duty to report the news without fear or favor, because clearly fear factored into the timing of her reports."

Megyn Kelly Just Revealed Trump Got FOX Debate Question In Advance, Threatened Her
LINK: Megyn Kelly Just Revealed Trump Got FOX Debate Question In Advance, Threatened Her
TEXT: "When it was revealed that acting DNC Chairwoman Donna Brazile smuggled out a single question from CNN to the Clinton campaign, Republicans went into a frenzy. Ultimately, Brazile was forced to resign from the network over a question about what Hillary Clinton might do to help the residents of Flint, Michigan whom Republicans afflicted with lead poisoned water. Trump himself tweeted this about the incident: 'Crooked Hillary Clinton even got the questions to a debate, and nobody says a word. Can you imagine if I got the questions?' "

There are no words.....

 

[Creepy Green Light]

Both candidates were pretty much turd jugglers. It's just deciding which one is the least worst. I know (personally) a lot of people used this to vote off of (and strictly this);

HC is a smooth talking career politician whose husband is nick named Slick Willy (for good reason) & she's in the midst of an email scandal that has put other people that did the same as her behind bars.

With DT, what you see is what you get. He speaks his mind and he's accomplished a lot. I don't think anybody's ever accused DT as just being a smooth talking-head. He's never been in politics.

People are tired of the political machine with the same old faces & parties promising the world and delivering very little once elected. Time will tell what DP can (and cannot) do.

But again, I know people that voted for him just because of you know what you are getting (which is the opposite of HC).

 

[marduk]

Hillary may have been many things.

But she is a statesman and would have continued America's sense of gravitas worldwide.

You no longer have that. You have a rapey clown as your leader.

 

[Tyger]

With the exception of the invasion of Iraq, never so overtly.

I understand why you say what you do. Not sure I 100% agree. The McCarthy Hearings in the late 40's into the 50's were a shameful spectacle. De Facto segregation. The lynchings of people of color in the South across decades (not to mention slavery itself). Plenty of 'overt' stuff to mar our 'standing'.

And this is the first time you've put a blatantly evil person in power. On purpose. It speaks to the moral sentiment of your country. Again I ask: who do you want to be?

Is he evil? We don't know that. We know he's likely amoral. He's a narcisstic personality. He doesn't know what he is. It's all normal to him.

Evil is something else. I would need to see far more evidence of real malific intent to be willing to go that far. At this point.

 

[SRL+]

But a President Pence - while it may be what the Republicans want - will not be a good event for the US. Who called Pence the Christina Taliban - someone on this thread?

Wouldn’t it be a fitting end if the GOP were just waiting for the Trojan horse to become president, and then saddle him up & ride the rascal right out of the White House? I could only speculate that his followers would experience a degree of shock & awe not witnessed since the Nixon years.

Even though Pence would arrive at the presidency with views on anti-abortion, and creationism that may not please the majority, the GOP could easily handle him. He would simply take office a few years sooner than the GOP may have expected.

 

[Tyger]

Both candidates were pretty much turd jugglers. It's just deciding which one is the least worst. I know (personally) a lot of people used this to vote off of (and strictly this);

Trump was said juggler (lied 80% of the time), Hillary was not (lied less than 30% of the time - one of the most honest politicians - should be 'no lies' of course - but of the two, Trump was the more serious truth juggler). Remarkable how people justified that Trump was the 'less risk' given all the lies he told.

HC is a smooth talking career politician whose husband is nick named Slick Willy (for good reason) & she's in the midst of an email scandal that has put other people that did the same as her behind bars.

No one who 'did' what Hillary 'did' with their e-mails is behind bars. She did nothing criminal.

What you call 'smooth talking' most would call intelligent. She knew what she was talking about. Trump did not.

With DT, what you see is what you get. He speaks his mind and he's accomplished a lot. I don't think anybody's ever accused DT as just being a smooth talking-head. He's never been in politics.

But that's exactly what he is - a 'smooth talking head' albeit it manifests as carefully crafted to get particular attention. He's a con artist and nothing he has said has been revelatory of who he really is. Just go back in time on YouTube. Never been in politics? He's been political since the 1980's - what do you think a deal maker has to be good at?

But I think that when you say "I don't think anybody's ever accused DT as just being a smooth talking-head" - perhaps you mean an intellectual?

We will see very quickly what we in fact 'got' when Trump got voted in as President - because in too many ways we actually don't know what we got (contrary to your 'what you see is what you get'). In many ways, it's better it happened this way. This whole thing will be on the Republicans. No one to blame (or praise) but themselves - and trust me on this, for all our sakes, I hope we can praise him, in the end. Hope he rises to the best rather than the worst. Maybe his family will help.

People are tired of the political machine with the same old faces & parties promising the world and delivering very little once elected. Time will tell what DP can (and cannot) do.

Well, welcome to Trump-World, because he is proving he is every bit as slippery as any con there ever was that was 'political'. So far he is right in there with the 'old political machine'. He always had to be.

Time will tell, indeed - but the gamble Trump voters have made is with the country itself. IMO. Pretty risky unknown.

But again, I know people that voted for him just because of you know what you are getting (which is the opposite of HC).

So they thought. I hope their disppointment is not bitter when they realize they voted in exactly what they thought Hilary was. It's all so very ironic.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Oh, and take a look at this:

Trump team backs off some sweeping campaign pledges

So was Trump fooling us, or did he already clue us in by suggesting, from time to time, that his ideas were negotiable?

 

[SRL+]

You better hide this page from Jeff Davis. He's not going to be happy about this.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Just think how things would be if candidate Trump were destined to become the same as President Trump.

 

[Tyger]

Wouldn’t it be a fitting end if the GOP were just waiting for the Trojan horse to become president, and then saddle him up & ride the rascal right out of the White House? I could only speculate that his followers would experience a degree of shock & awe not witnessed since the Nixon years.

Even though Pence would arrive at the presidency with views on anti-abortion, and creationism that may not please the majority, the GOP could easily handle him. He would simply take office a few years sooner than the GOP may have expected.

I was wondering why the GOP were standing in line behind Trump at the end. It was a curious mix of disaffections and not breaking ranks. I figured they must have had a game plan.