The Official Paracast Political Thread! — Part Two

[marduk]

“I’m seeing a lot of common trends between the Brexit voters, Trump voters and people supporting the radical right in Europe – in general, we’re talking about disaffected white voters with low education levels and a particular set of values,” says Matthew Goodwin, a politics professor at the University of Kent and author of several major studies of white voter support for populist and extremist movements.

How Trump revealed a crisis of extremism in the white community

 

[SRL+]

Draining the swamp.. no can do, because the swamp is Donald's home.
Donors and lobbyists already shaping Trump’s ‘drain the swamp’ administration
And no one told you that he crossed his fingers when making all of those campaign promises.
Trump and advisers hedge on major pledges, including Obamacare and the wall

 

[SRL+]

Why are the Trump supporters silent on all this? Trump is breaking his campaign promises. He is showing himself to be very much the political rascal you thought you were throwing out. What say you?

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Well those voted against Trump who are protesting can always go to Canada mind you its not what some protestors suggest going on this article Think Canada is a progressive paradise? That’s mooseshit | Veterans Today

Yeah more doing the same down under they fearing same end of extreme lefties.

 

[Jeff Davis]

You better hide this page from Jeff Davis. He's not going to be happy about this.

Well, I am happy to see that you at very least had the courage to address me. Unlike the rest of little lost liberal children here. Yeah, there's just something about that TRUTH stuff that paranoid delusionals have the toughest time reconciling. I heard referencing to the "moral high ground", oh, that is rich! ROTFLMAO!!!!

Yep, here it is, day 3 after the election, and ol' "smooth talking" dirty donny's broken every promise that he ever made. lol! They really should make a sitcom with you boys and girls starring in it called The Big Lame Theory. It'll be about a small group of apartment dwelling liberal nerds banded together in an effort to play Yahtzee, watch reruns on TV, and discuss conspiratorially irrelevant nonsense. It'll be a real hoot!

Please guys and gal, do yourself and the rest of us a real favor. Go home and get some much needed sleep.

 

[Ezechiel]

How Trump revealed a crisis of extremism in the white community

Like I said... we're back in 1932, Hitler's election year:

But these white people have developed a set of beliefs that have led them to see a sort of strongman nationalist politics of ethnic exclusion as being perfectly acceptable, only two generations after their country fought a global war against that very thing. They see it as acceptable, even welcome, that a president-to-be has promised to ban all Muslims from entering the country (“temporarily”), to mass-deport millions of Latino American families who have been living in the United States for decades, to describe those immigrants as “rapists,” to question the citizenship and loyalty of minority Americans.

 

[SRL+]

Well, I am happy to see that you at very least had the courage to address me.

As many other frustrated forum members have already learned through firsthand experience, discussing anything Trump with you in a rational & sane manner is nearly inconceivable.

Unlike the rest of little lost liberal children here.

I never claimed to be liberal, as stating to be an independent, casting my vote for anyone worthy (if there’s such a thing) for public service. My friend wrote in Valiant Thor for president & I didn’t believe it until looking at their mail-in ballot. They may have had a point …

Yeah, there's just something about that TRUTH stuff that paranoid delusionals have the toughest time reconciling.

Look in the mirror, you voted for crazy.

I heard referencing to the "moral high ground", oh, that is rich! ROTFLMAO!!!!

More of the uncontrollable ranting.

Yep, here it is, day 3 after the election, and ol' "smooth talking" dirty donny's broken every promise that he ever made.

Only three days later..., that’s right, and it’s only the beginning of the unraveling of his campaign promises to you. He was going to save you, the white man..., now that’s comical, as he’s going to save the wealthiest, special interests, lobbyists, Putin, and then throw Jeff Davis the table scraps.

They really should make a sitcom with you boys and girls starring in it called The Big Lame Theory. It'll be about a small group of apartment dwelling liberal nerds banded together in an effort to play Yahtzee, watch reruns on TV, and discuss conspiratorially irrelevant nonsense. It'll be a real hoot!

I haven’t owned a television since 2010, and really don’t have a burning desire to own one now, especially after witnessing the wholesale slaughter of the US on CNN.

Please guys and gal, do yourself and the rest of us a real favor. Go home and get some much needed sleep.

Why sleep when we’re having so much fun right here?

BTW, how’s your POMPUS doing in the popular vote?

 

[Gene Steinberg]

And this article explains why the common repeal/replace Obamacare mantra from the Republicans is just plain dumb, how it ignores reality in order to score phony political points:

Donald Trump is about to face a rude awakening over Obamacare

The article explains why you have an individual mandate. It doesn't mean the law shouldn't be tweaked, improved. But everyone who has tried to make this happen faced the same obstacles. Remember, the proposal that became Romneycare in Massachusetts and Obamacare was originally created by the Republican think tank, the Heritage Foundation, in 1989. Including the individual mandate.

 

[marduk]

He's already backed down on obamacare and said he's keeping key parts of it.

And softened on tearing up NAFTA.

I think at this point it's probably a shorter list to talk about what he hasn't dropped than what he is keeping.

What a clown.

 

[Wade]

From the beginning as I understood it the weak link in this was getting the younger healthier people involved and if they didn't this system wouldn't last. That being the case It seems this very issue is a large part of why the system is failing. So what was the Republicans answer to that when it was their baby? also what fixes do we impose? Do we force the young people to get it involuntarily via payroll deductions like SS. Because i would pay year end tax if I was in their shoes as the tax is insignificant compared to the premiums paid over the year or do we force the for profit insurance companies to stay in the market and take their lumps ? Whatever terminology one uses fix/mend/eliminate it's probably going to end with someone feeling like their rights are being trampled on.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

The key is to raise the penalty for not having insurance. That forces more people into the pool, which lowers everyone's rates. The current law is a patchwork designed to work with private insurance companies, which is its biggest fault. The only real solution is Medicare for all.

 

[marduk]

From the beginning as I understood it the weak link in this was getting the younger healthier people involved and if they didn't this system wouldn't last. That being the case I seems this very issue is a large part of why the system is failing. So what was the Republicans answer to that when it was their baby ? also what fixes do we impose? Do we force the young people to get it involuntarily via payroll deductions like SS. Because i would tax the year end tax if I was in their shoes as the tax is insignificant compared to the premiums paid over the year or do we force the for profit insurance companies to stay in the market and take their lumps ?

Math is math and it always wins, no matter the political rhetoric you put around it.

Something the republicans turn a blind eye to.

The fact of the matter is, Americans pay a staggeringly high premium for healthcare and receive staggeringly low service for it.

And less and less of you can access it.

Witness your average life span. It's in decline.

 

[marduk]

The key is to raise the penalty for not having insurance. That forces more people into the pool, which lowers everyone's rates. The current law is a patchwork designed to work with private insurance companies, which is its biggest fault. The only real solution is Medicare for all.

Socialized health care.

It really is the only answer where the math works.

Health care is not the same thing as choosing to have a credit card or not.

Because the idiot down the street that chooses to opt out actually risks your life.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

You cannot just say you don't need health insurance because your healthy. That can change real fast regardless of your age.

 

[marduk]

You cannot just say you don't need health insurance because your healthy. That can change real fast regardless of your age.

It's a similar effect as herd immunity. It only works if a critical mass buys in.

It actually doesn't take much idiocy to take down the entire herd.

 

[Wade]

The key is to raise the penalty for not having insurance. That forces more people into the pool, which lowers everyone's rates. The current law is a patchwork designed to work with private insurance companies, which is its biggest fault. The only real solution is Medicare for all.

While I cannot argue with the logic behind that if it was that simple I think this penalty (whatever the ceiling would be) would have been instituted in the first place. Where they got to where they are must have come down to compromising because they figured a higher limit wouldn't be politically safe.

 

[marduk]

While I cannot argue with the logic behind that if it was that simple I think this penalty (whatever the ceiling would be) would have been instituted in the first place. Where they got to where they are must have come down to compromising because they figured a higher limit wouldn't be politically safe.

In the "land of the free?"

I doubt it.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

While I cannot argue with the logic behind that if it was that simple I think this penalty (whatever the ceiling would be) would have been instituted in the first place. Where they got to where they are must have come down to compromising because they figured a higher limit wouldn't be politically safe.

There is a penalty for people who do not buy health insurance. It began the second year of the Affordable Care Act, but it was not sufficient to persuade the stragglers to sign up. I agree that there were too many compromises, but the law was barely passed as it was.

 

[Jeff Davis]

As many other frustrated forum members have already learned through firsthand experience, discussing anything Trump with you in a rational & sane manner is nearly inconceivable.

And yet, you and the others that are doing your level best to demonize President Trump a whopping 4 days now past the election, have never once offered anything apart from disillusion based editorial and opinions. Where's the substance S.R.L.? I have seen nothing so far. Please provide me some genuine factual evidence apart from the typical sarcasm and rhetoric and maybe your concept of "rational & sane" would see the light of day. Or is that not within the parameters of your "rational & sane" model?

I never claimed to be liberal, as stating to be an independent, casting my vote for anyone worthy (if there’s such a thing) for public service. My friend wrote in Valiant Thor for president & I didn’t believe it until looking at their mail-in ballot. They may have had a point …

But see, you side with the liberals here, and as such, a turkey within a flock of turkeys is most likely to called and recognized as a turkey. Gobble, gobble goes the embittered turkey. Why? How has ANYTHING changed within YOUR life since Nov. 8th? What was that word for unsubstantiated fear again? Oh, that's right. If I remember correctly it's called paranoid. Great Sabbath tune, but doesn't look so good on you in that shade of LIBERAL that you've been wearing lately. Rebel without a clue? Most likely.

Look in the mirror, you voted for crazy.

My goodness, what stunning rationale you possess. Almost as much as if you would have just replied "I'm rubber, and you're glue". Meaningful.

More of the uncontrollable ranting.

Now this is a new one. As one wielding a progressive philosophy, you must be plugged into the very cutting edge of psychosociology. I wasn't aware that laughing my ass off at utter nonsense was now referred to as "ranting". No fooling.

Only three days later..., that’s right, and it’s only the beginning of the unraveling of his campaign promises to you. He was going to save you, the white man..., now that’s comical, as he’s going to save the wealthiest, special interests, lobbyists, Putin, and then throw Jeff Davis the table scraps.

Could you provide just a smidgen of evidential support, let alone proof, for what you're ranting here about like some cheese eating alarmist teenager. Personally, like most rational adults, I would think that a.) since Trump is NOT even acting President yet, it might be just a wee bit too early to tell, and b.) all REAL change, unlike the BS Obozo has peddled for the last 8 years, begins with the art of diplomacy. Diplomacy is primed by creating an atmosphere of enhanced mediation. An atmosphere of mediation is one not bred of acting out your fears by being too compulsive, or impulsive, like those here that are opposing President elect Donald Trump are. He understands according to the rules of successful methodology that while gaining the trusted endorsement of those who's home you're about to foreclose on, and renovate for the sake of the county's great occupancy anew, one must exercise the skillfully enacted prudence, of a disciplined and exacted discretion, while tactfully transitioning this post formally governed institutional threshold, now well under his stable and aptly guided foothold. It's just another successful corporate take down, for who is a long term experienced corporate American conquistador, recently turned the 45th United Sates President elect, Donald J. Trump.

I haven’t owned a television since 2010, and really don’t have a burning desire to own one now, especially after witnessing the wholesale slaughter of the US on CNN.

And yet you own and actively maintain an internet facilitating micro processing computer of one sort or another. My, that's impressive. A regular Ted Kaczynski even. It's too bad that you're directly plugged into the biggest and most effective propaganda machine on earth at the sake of not owning a TV. Television is great! Like my buddy Groucho Marx always said: "I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book."

Why sleep when we’re having so much fun right here?

BTW, how’s your POMPUS doing in the popular vote?

We all need our beauty rest, and goodness knows that I'd do best in that category via a sleep cycle indicative of a one day on, one day off policy. Now, as to how President Trump is doing in the popular vote? Well, he won the election for POTUS and all the whining and petitioning in the world will NOT change that fact. Here's a little something that I hope will help to add some meaningful perspective to your understanding of the popular vs. electoral vote with respect to potential election strategy priorities.

Memo to Liberals Obsessing Over Meaningless 'Popular Vote:' House GOP Won It By Three Million


If Trump wanted to he could have completely CRUSHED HC's "popular vote", however my friend (and I hope you know that I do sincerely mean that inference) that was meaningless in the scheme of his obviously successful election strategy. Have a GREAT weekend everybody!

 

[Han]

I don't think Healthcare should be run as a business, it should be payed for through taxation.
I can't comprehend the mindset that says a child should not receive treatment because their parents have not payed to insure them.
Call me a left wing socialist lefty tree hugging wing nut, but I judge the strong on how they "treat" the weak, anybody who thinks the UK is a liberal country is sorely mistaken, yet somehow we have managed to have universal Healthcare for generations.

It would be wrong to think that the NHS is without it's problems, it has a lot, but it is one thing that I am immensely proud of, and should be counted as a victory for the "people".