The Official Paracast Political Thread! — Part Two

[Gene Steinberg]

You didn't read the reasons why she lost.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

More details about Bannon's and Breitbart's penchants for alt-right themes and beliefs:

Analysis: Breitbart's Steve Bannon leads the 'alt right' to the White House

 

[mike]

Electoral College is Unfair, But it is Still the Best Way to Elect the President

What is the Electoral College: The Controversial But Necessary System That Picks Our Presidents

We dont even get to elect our prime minister, we can only elect a party, and that party chooses its leader, often changing them mid term

Weve had 5 prime ministers in 7 years, can you imagine that 5 Presidents in less than two terms ?

Prior to the elections the potential PM's are rated via the polls as "prefered PM" as if the people actually have some say in who the PM is, But once the elections are over the peoples will is pushed aside and we get told you dont vote for a PM, Thats for the party to decide. Its another example of the political class playing us like violins

The last two terms of office have resulted in pretty much hung parliments with independant candidates playing king makers, and we have compulsory voting here. I can assure you as systems go the popular vote isnt ideal either

 

[mike]

You didn't read the reasons why she lost.

I know why she lost, that video i posted a few pages back sums it up perfectly. I fully understand the dynamic behind her loss which is why i predicted a Trump win in February
Long before any dirt was dished on either, long before any media bias could come into play
Ive said it all along the candidates, their peronalitys and history were NEVER a factor in this election.
It was about public sentiment towards the political class/system and its a global thing
Its about public sentiment towards Leftist political correctness gone too far

Trump Won Because Leftist Political Correctness Inspired a Terrifying Backlash

More specifically, Trump won because he convinced a great number of Americans that he would destroy political correctness.


I have tried to call attention to this issue for years. I have warned that political correctness actually is a problem on college campuses, where the far-left has gained institutional power and used it to punish people for saying or thinking the wrong thing. And ever since Donald Trump became a serious threat to win the GOP presidential primaries, I have warned that a lot of people, both on campus and off it, were furious about political-correctness-run-amok—so furious that they would give power to any man who stood in opposition to it.


I have watched this play out on campus after campus. I have watched dissident student groups invite Milo Yiannopoulos to speak—not because they particularly agree with his views, but because he denounces censorship and undermines political correctness. I have watched students cheer his theatrics, his insulting behavior, and his narcissism solely because the enforcers of campus goodthink are outraged by it. It's not about his ideas, or policies. It's not even about him. It's about vengeance for social oppression.


Trump has done to America what Yiannopoulos did to campus. This is a view Yiannopoulos shares. When I spoke with him about Trump's success months ago, he told me, "Nobody votes for Trump or likes Trump on the basis of policy positions. That's a misunderstanding of what the Trump phenomenon is."


He described Trump as "an icon of irreverent resistance to political correctness." Correctly, I might add.

 

[Wade]

Electoral College is Unfair, But it is Still the Best Way to Elect the President

What is the Electoral College: The Controversial But Necessary System That Picks Our Presidents

We dont even get to elect our prime minister, we can only elect a party, and that party chooses its leader, often changing them mid term

Weve had 5 prime ministers in 7 years, can you imagine that 5 Presidents in less than two terms ?

Prior to the elections the potential PM's are rated via the polls as "prefered PM" as if the people actually have some say in who the PM is, But once the elections are over the peoples will is pushed aside and we get told you dont vote for a PM, Thats for the party to decide. Its another example of the political class playing us like violins

The last two terms of office have resulted in pretty much hung parliments with independant candidates playing king makers, and we have compulsory voting here. I can assure you as systems go the popular vote isnt ideal either

There is another system on the table but I suspect it will be a very long time before it seed the light of day as it could circumvent the prestige of swing states.

Maybe it's a coincidence but if you look at the current map it bears a strong resemblance to the red state blue state divide before this election in which two states were flipped.

National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

 

[Jeff Davis]

Nothing you have to say is even close to reality.

Gene, *this* is your routine best attempt at a rational political argument with me. This type of false and derogatory smear is what your "political facts" come down to each and every time. If someone does not agree with you, you shout racist, and other ridiculous charges, while pretending that your own news sources to which you have continually linked are not just as biased as is fox news. Go ahead, link back to how many times I linked to Fox News to support my view point.

Gene, truth be told, you don't have a leg to stand on. Even now you've let your unsubstantiated fears (paranoia) get the better of you and demonstrated the exact type of alarmist level reasoning that has nearly handed the democratic party their ticket to political extinction . Just claiming that the MSM media was hard and unfair on Hillaryous is tantamount to nothing short of the utterly absurd.

Bottom Line. Either link Stephen Bannon to what is unequivocal racism and hatred for Jewish people, well apart from the ridiculously slanderous and unsubstantiated rhetorical smear campaign going on the MSM right now, or concede to defeat. If you cannot link the man FACTUALLY, well apart from unsubstantiated accusation which any slob can make, it is YOU Sir that states and presents false facts that are nothing of substance upon which REALITY can squarely rest.

The ball is now in your court. Don't turn it into a game of kindergarten dodge ball either. It's do or die, win or lose. It's up to you.

 

[SRL+]

I fully understand the dynamic behind her loss which is why i predicted a Trump win in February
Long before any dirt was dished on either, long before any media bias could come into play

That's not altogether correct, unless you claimed that she would prevail in both the popular & electoral vote. At is stands; she is still advancing in the popular vote. I guess that in generalities you could say "yeah, she's going to win”, but realistically no one knows how these things will truly play out.

BTW, what are your thoughts on Steve Bannon?

 

[mike]

That's not altogether correct, unless you claimed that she would prevail in both the popular & electoral vote. At is stands; she is still advancing in the popular vote. I guess that in generalities you could say "yeah, she's going to win”, but realistically no one knows how these things will truly play out.

BTW, what are your thoughts on Steve Bannon?

I based my prediction of a Trump win on Brexit, and on the rise of far right political parties across europe and here in Australia.
I wasnt predicting a win for Trump, i was predicting a win for the Populist right.

Now yes you could make a case that since Hillary is winning the popular vote That hypothesis is invalid, but i would counter by saying that someone with a snowballs chance in hell of winning actually won makes the opposite case

The result doesnt speak to a majority of the electorate leaning right, but it does to the strong surge in that direction, the growing (global) trend of dissatisfaction within the electorate for business as usual politics

Never heard of steve bannon prior to this, though i think i have read articles at brietbart from time to time

 

[marduk]

No, I saw them, understand them, and all of the 45 seconds it took you to link to them. The problem is they PROVE NOTHING in relation toman made climate change and that autism can definitely be linked to specific vaccinations.

You're either going to make your decisions on science and facts and math that works, or on rhetororic and ideology.

It's clear that you are acting in a deeply irrational and intellectually dishonest fashion.

That methodology writ large is the current direction of the GOP.

And you can ignore climate change all you want. And the impacts of climate change will happen and you will have to manufacture an excuse and scapegoat.

You can ignore the clear evidence that vaccines do not cause autism, and when you destroy herd immunity and autism doesn't go down, you will have to manufacture an excuse and scapegoat.

Nature is not irrational. Nature does not care what you want to be true. Nature does not respond to rhetoric or ideology.

Hence, you will fail.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Gene, *this* is your routine best attempt at a rational political argument with me. This type of false and derogatory smear is what your "political facts" come down to each and every time. If someone does not agree with you, you shout racist, and other ridiculous charges, while pretending that your own news sources to which you have continually linked are not just as biased as is fox news. Go ahead, link back to how many times I linked to Fox News to support my view point.

Gene, truth be told, you don't have a leg to stand on. Even now you've let your unsubstantiated fears (paranoia) get the better of you and demonstrated the exact type of alarmist level reasoning that has nearly handed the democratic party their ticket to political extinction . Just claiming that the MSM media was hard and unfair on Hillaryous is tantamount to nothing short of the utterly absurd.

Bottom Line. Either link Stephen Bannon to what is unequivocal racism and hatred for Jewish people, well apart from the ridiculously slanderous and unsubstantiated rhetorical smear campaign going on the MSM right now, or concede to defeat. If you cannot link the man FACTUALLY, well apart from unsubstantiated accusation which any slob can make, it is YOU Sir that states and presents false facts that are nothing of substance upon which REALITY can squarely rest.

The ball is now in your court. Don't turn it into a game of kindergarten dodge ball either. It's do or die, win or lose. It's up to you.

Bottom line, the facts are in front of you. I have shown you enough. Open your eyes and look for yourself. It's up to you, because there's not much more to say before I suggest people put you on Ignore and move on.

 

[SRL+]

Never heard of steve bannon prior

Check him out. I'd be really interested to know what your impression is of Mr. Bannon.

 

[mike]

And the impacts of climate change will happen

Im not a CC denier, as hundreds of posts in Pixels and Tygers threads will attest to

But Humanity doesnt seem to be capable of fixing this, Nature will have to do it for us.

These compacts and agreements are smoke and mirrors to keep the masses happy, Trump might be walking away from the paris accords the kyoto protocols the rio compact (the list of these BS get togethers gets longer and longer)

The reality is all the "reductions targets" are measured in "per capita"
So Australia agrees to reduce its emissions by 5 percent (per capita) and then increases its population by 7 percent, a net increase of 2 percent. Nature the biosphere gets nothing from these accords. Its bread and circus's
Now we know that 1st world populations have "per capita" higher emissions than 3rd world populations, amd millions and millions of these people are flowing from low emission societys, to high emission societys.

Its not good news for the biosphere

Over-population is the real cause of climate change – it's killing us all off - Independent.ie

And its worse news still as i said Not only is population the problem, but where that population lives is also a compounding factor. And the trend today is to move millions apon millions from low emission societys to high emission societys.

The math is obvious moving millions of people from low emissions countrys to high emissions countrys is making things worse, they wont simply bring their low emission lifestyle with, thats the very reason why they as individuals moved, they want the high emission lifestyles we enjoy

 

[marduk]

Im not a CC denier, as hundreds of posts in Pixels and Tygers threads will attest to

But Humanity doesnt seem to be capable of fixing this, Nature will have to do it for us.

These compacts and agreements are smoke and mirrors to keep the masses happy, Trump might be walking away from the paris accords the kyoto protocols the rio compact (the list of these BS get togethers gets longer and longer)

The reality is all the "reductions targets" are measured in "per capita"
So Australia agrees to reduce its emissions by 5 percent (per capita) and then increases its population by 7 percent, a net increase of 2 percent. Nature the biosphere gets nothing from these accords. Its bread and circus's
Now we know that 1st world populations have "per capita" higher emissions than 3rd world populations, amd millions and millions of these people are flowing from low emission societys, to high emission societys.

Its not good news for the biosphere

Over-population is the real cause of climate change – it's killing us all off - Independent.ie

And its worse news still as i said Not only is population the problem, but where that population lives is also a compounding factor. And the trend today is to move millions apon millions from low emission societys to high emission societys.

The fact is, to your point, nature won't care.

Whether mass human displacement and die off occurs, nature will not care.

Nor will it balance the books out of compassion for humanity or what we want to be true, but isn't.

I would argue that a flawed attempt to reduce its impact is better than waiting for a perfect solution from the very military/industrial complex that created it.

 

[mike]

Check him out. I'd be really interested to know what your impression is of Mr. Bannon.

Scanning his wiki page he seems like a typical american

 

[mike]

The fact is, to your point, nature won't care.

Whether mass human displacement and die off occurs, nature will not care.

Nor will it balance the books out of compassion for humanity or what we want to be true, but isn't.

I would argue that a flawed attempt to reduce its impact is better than waiting for a perfect solution from the very military/industrial complex that created it.

Humans cant fix it, they barely acknowledge its primary cause
You have as much chance of fixing climate change as you do the US deficit
Trump isnt going to bother to attempt to do either of them

In terms of the math, the population keeps increasing and earth overshoot day comes earlier every year

And our politicians keep kicking the can down the road.

JULY 12, 2016 —By August 8, humanity will have used up nature’s budget for the entire year, according to data from Global Footprint Network, an international research organization that is changing how the world manages its natural resources and responds to climate change.

Earth Overshoot Day, falling on 8 August this year, marks the date when humanity’s annual demand on nature exceeds what Earth can regenerate in that year. This is possible because we emit more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than our oceans and forests can absorb, and we deplete fisheries and harvest forests more quickly than they can reproduce and regrow.

As the global population has grown and consumption has increased – particularly with respect to carbon emissions – Earth Overshoot Day has moved from late September in 2000 to August 8 this year

 

[marduk]

Humans cant fix it, they barely acknowledge its primary cause
You have as much chance of fixing climate change as you do the US deficit
Trump isnt going to bother to attempt to do either of them

In terms of the math, the population keeps increasing and earth overshoot day comes earlier every year

Humanity can fix it, we just won't.

It's easier to vote in an idiot in that will just tell us what we want to hear than do the hard work.

All while shouting at the science and math hoping reality goes away. And congratulating ourselves for our stupidity.

 

[mike]

Humanity can fix it

How ?

 

[marduk]

How ?

Make less people, have each person use less power, find more clean sources of power.

Everything else is a rounding error.

 

[DaveM]

I grew up in the Erie Pennsylvania area. Erie County is staunchly Democratic with 30,000 more registered Democrats than Republicans. Erie County voted Republican for the first time in decades.

General Electric is the largest employer in the county. In 2016 there were 1,500 layoffs alone. Interviews after the election show that the residents were tired of years of unfulfilled promises. Many voters decided to roll the dice and give Trump a chance.

All the protesting in the country doesn't address the problem that there is a class of citizens losing their jobs and being left behind. Like the Brexit vote, these people figured the government didn't care about their welfare so they opted out.

 

[marduk]

I grew up in the Erie Pennsylvania area. Erie County is staunchly Democratic with 30,000 more registered Democrats than Republicans. Erie County voted Republican for the first time in decades.

General Electric is the largest employer in the county. In 2016 there were 1,500 layoffs alone. Interviews after the election show that the residents were tired of years of unfulfilled promises. Many voters decided to roll the dice and give Trump a chance.

All the protesting in the country doesn't address the problem that there is a class of citizens losing their jobs and being left behind. Like the Brexit vote, these people figured the government didn't care about their welfare so the opted out.

I would argue that these citizens left themselves behind.

They are fighting for bad jobs that aren't coming back.