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[Wade]

Please redo that image. It's not working properly.

If that was directed to me I'm not sure what that meant, I posted no image.

 

[kanakaris]

 

[Walter Bosley]

I am loving this circus! This is why I hope Trump pulls this thing off. But either way, it's gonna be a blast! If Trump wins, the political apoplexy will be Wagnerian, and if Hillary wins she will probably die of Parkinson's in her first term and leave us with Tim Kaine. The disenfranchised will only become more angry, thus stirring a boiling cauldron of potential civil chaos, and the idealistic fools will wonder why it's still not working but will wonder who's 'turn' it is next to be President. The rest of the world will continue laughing at us and the stage will be set for a major war which the military-industrial complex will be more than happy to oblige (because they'll likely have sold to all sides). This is Win-Win for some of us.

 

[SRL+]

Ronald Reagan must be spinning like a top in his grave now.

I was checking out a recent poll conducted on Saturday where 74 percent of the republican voters surveyed want the GOP to stand by, or, fall with Trump..., unbelievable. As you may be able to see, this becomes problematic, as the GOP’s elected officials, (especially Pence), will be continuing to support someone who committed sexual assault on some level. The other problem is; the GOP is no longer able to remove Trump from the ballot. He would have either to die, or, resign on his own. On top of this steaming pile of Trump, some ballots have already been mailed with the voting to begin this next week. Just try cramming that genie back into the bottle. In total shambles, the GOP will convene after the debate to determine whether, or not, to continue in supporting their nominee.

Some are calling for Pence’s name to be written in which would not bode well for the perv, (Trump), diluting further his chances for victory.

Interesting aside; while looking over electoral maps throughout this entire election season 99 percent of Oklahomans, (even now), favor Trump. Not once has Clinton received over 1 percent of the state’s surveyed vote.

Reagan? I would imagine at this very moment, various deceased United States leaders are spinning in urns, while headstones blast out of the ground. Other countries must be horrified at in knowing the United States is the leader of the free world. In addition, where is Putin going to be at 6 p.m. P.D.T.? Watching political mud wrestling American style at its finest. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a halftime event featuring Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter, Tom DeLay & Jeb Bush.

 

[mike]

Just on this morning news down under, Australian supermarkets are reporting they have sold out of popcorn over the weekend.......

What do ya reckon, i think this latest trump tape was leaked by the crazy fox himself.
He said at the last debate he wanted to say some nasty things about the clinton family but that it would be mean. He than vows to go hard and dish dirt this time round.
If Hillary takes the bait and brings up these comments, that opens the gate for him to go full out on bills various adventures, pass around the cigars folks lol

or this one

Exclusive: ‘Hillary Clinton Took Me Through Hell,’ Rape Victim Says


In my book there is no excuse for a 27 year old to rape a 12 year old, suggesting she fantisised about older men and thus invited the attack is far more sick making to me than trumps comments. A 12 year old cant consent period end of story

 

[SRL+]

There’s no excuse for anyone to sexually assault anyone else ..., period.

Whoever someone's preference, this is disgusting on either side, although, it is her sworn duty as a criminal defense attorney to provide an adequate defense whether a rapist or murderer.In theory she would have to defend Trump. Then again, she may have been able to pass the case on to some other lawyer.

Just wait until you hear of the Hillary Clinton Wikileak. To me the revelation isn't earth-shattering, however, it doesn't make her look that fantastic, as if she didn't already.

Its just the better of the two evils where I would hopefully choose the security of the planet among a few other things.

Maybe you could move over here & run for office, you'd have fun ...

 

[Randall]

You've fallen for all the false or exaggerated rumors the opposition has devised. The spin machine has won you over.

Hmm, I wonder to what extent the accusations are actually spin and which ones actually have substance. I don't have the time to research them all out. Maybe that's the idea. Fling as much dirt as possible and while the target is busy washing it off, throw some more. I dunno. I can believe Hillary isn't the angel sent from heaven to rescue America. Who is? So what if Bill had orgies with cocaine. So did Charlie Sheen and he'd make a better president that Trump too. I don't know that Bill was ever convicted of any rape charges, or for that matter even charged. So the evidence for that must be rather dubious. I have no idea what "the body count" refers to, and it's not necessarily Hillary's fault that someone she hired didn't do a great job. Mistakes in the workplace happen all the time. What evidence is there that there was any intentional wrongdoing?

 

[mike]

it is her sworn duty as a criminal defense attorney to provide an adequate defense whether a rapist or murderer.In theory she would have to defend Trump.

Thats spot on, No one knows better than i how the system works, she has to do the very best for her client. Yet despite knowing this is the absolute necessity of the legal system and for good and valid reasons. I still struggle with what she said about this 12 year old as a defense. I know that in the larger picture its a valid tactic. But on the micro scale i struggle with it. More recently she has said rape victims should be heard. She recently supported the TPP and now does not.

But thats politicians in a nutshell, they will say whatever they think the electorate wants to hear.

And thats why i wouldnt write trump off yet. She is a politician, he isnt.

And there is a strong anti politics sentiment the world over right now

Anti-politics: Elephant in the room - Left Flank

The debate here and in other places is Trump vs Clinton. I personally dont think the personalitys and behaviours of the individuals are whats going to decide this. I think its more about the mood of the electorate than the candidates themselves.

The real question isnt whos the better presidential candidate, Its how strong is the anti politic mood within the electorate. The figureheads themselves dont really matter imo. they could be anyone.

The contest is between established political power, and anti politic sentiment. Thats what will be decided in november

 

[mike]

That Trump is a candidate speaks to this Dynamic.
When he first announced he was running everybody laughed, How could such a "Personality" possibly be a presidential candidate.
Yet he became the nominee despite his personality.
Thats because its not about personalitys, its about what they represent. In his case throwing out the established order, seen by many as stale and no longer effective. And replacing it with a new way of doing things.
Trump didnt get to be the nominee because hes a great guy that much is obvious

At a certain point in their historical lives, social classes become detached from their traditional parties. In other words, the traditional parties in that particular organisational form, with the particular men who constitute, represent, and lead them, are no longer recognised by their class (or fraction of a class) as its expression.
—Gramsci (1971), Selections From The Prison Notebooks, p. 210
If the ruling class has lost its consensus, i.e. is no longer “leading” but only “dominant”, exercising coercive force alone, this means precisely that the great masses have become detached from their traditional ideologies, and no longer believe what they used to believe previously, etc. The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.
—ibid, pp. 275-6

Whats to be decided in november is what percentage of the electorate feel they have been detached and disenfranchised by the traditional power holding establishments.

 

[Bob Watson]

Trump appears with Bill Clinton accusers before debate - CNN Video


THIS SICKENS ME!

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Remember, too, that even though Clinton didn't behave himself in those days, not all the claims against him were actually proven. Consider the alleged rape allegations, which never rose to the level of potential charges from the police at the time. But also remember that such people as Donald Trump and former New York mayor Rudi Giuliani were caught dating their girlfriends in public while still married to other people. People who tied the knot three times, and famously cheated on their spouses, have no business attacking Clinton who, despite his transgressions, is still married to the same person. He worked out his problems with Hillary, or they realized they make a better power couple together. Trump and Giuliani just got divorced and divorced yet again.

 

[Bob Watson]

Remember, too, that even though Clinton didn't behave himself in those days, not all the claims against him were actually proven. Consider the alleged rape allegations, which never rose to the level of potential charges from the police at the time. But also remember that such people as Donald Trump and former New York mayor Rudi Giuliani were caught dating their girlfriends in public while still married to other people. People who tied the knot three times, and famously cheated on their spouses, have no business attacking Clinton who, despite his transgressions, is still married to the same person. He worked out his problems with Hillary, or they realized they make a better power couple together. Trump and Giuliani just got divorced and divorced yet again.

100% agree beside this was BILL CLINTON NOT HILLARY! its like holding Rikki reasonable for what I do...

 

[SRL+]

Remember, too, that even though Clinton didn't behave himself in those days, not all the claims against him were actually proven. Consider the alleged rape allegations, which never rose to the level of potential charges from the police at the time. But also remember that such people as Donald Trump and former New York mayor Rudi Giuliani were caught dating their girlfriends in public while still married to other people. People who tied the knot three times, and famously cheated on their spouses, have no business attacking Clinton who, despite his transgressions, is still married to the same person. He worked out his problems with Hillary, or they realized they make a better power couple together. Trump and Giuliani just got divorced and divorced yet again.

Agreed. Those blue-collar working males I’ve spoken to who are non-politically affiliated with families favor Hillary because she was able to keep her family together through her husband’s transgressions.

What has been witnessed here is just another example of Trump’s scorched earth policy toward women.

 

[Wade]

I was dismayed to see that people on Twitter thought that Karl Becker's question was a waste of time, neither of them said jacks*** anyhow. Same old talking points dissolving into rancor. Just like earlier debate the candidates spent their time pointing out the others negative attributes on questions that were completely irrelevant.


And the moderators really need to have the capability to cut sound to the microphones.

 

[SRL+]

Abhorrently abnormal is the new normal in American politics as the bar was thrown aside an hour before the debate.

In addition to political commentators, gauging a candidate’s performance, bookies and gaming sites are usually a reliable indicator of candidate’s current overall chances of winning.

2016 President – Winner – PredictWise

2016 Presidential Election Odds | Next US President | Oddschecker

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Just think of all that money spinning around the bankers who already made up their minds folks. Its even bets for them and agree more wars on the cards or money crash.

 

[Jeff Davis]

 

[SRL+]

In case of not having the desire to read this article, please allow me to truncate:

Donald Trump + GOP = Raid + cockroaches

The Daily 202: More than Trump, the Republican Party was the biggest loser in last night’s debate

 

[Randall]

The Clintons are deep state insiders, intimately connected to the Bush crime family ...

You really do seem to believe all that stuff, and I like a good conspiracy as much as the next lunatic, so how about helping to educate us on this more than just pontificating. I'm not hugely into politics, so please forgive me on that and if it's not too much to ask, I'd be willing to check out the sources for your claims if you can please provide some links that don't mean I have to purchase a library of books or videos.

 

[Wade]

I was somewhat taken aback last night when Trump, in being confronted with a question about a philosophical difference between him and his running mate on Russia, instead of denying what Pence had said, he said he disagreed with him.