The Roswell Slides Have Been Leaked Online

[DissectionStalker]

That's great but Mac Brazel didn't know any of these people the day this happened.

Is this person "on record" before Moore's book? Anyone else? [Excluding the press release changes in '47.]

 

[mike]

You made the claim its a mummified child. Now you have to prove it.

Exactly, The claim was made earlier someone said it was taken in a museum in columbia.

Rather than just present opinion as fact, why not look up columbian museums on the net
Send them the pic, and simply ask "im checking the provenance of this image, someone has suggested it was taken at a museum in columbia. Can you tell me if this might have been an exhibit in your collection at some stage"

Dont mention aliens or Roswell, just ask if this might be something they had on display in the past.
I'll admit imo its a slim chance, but boy what a smoking gun it would be for the deniers if they did in fact get a reply confirming with pics from the archives that this was one of their exhibits

Get off your bums and do some real research, Dont just rely on your's and others opinions as being fact. Do some fact checking

With the internets, cut and paste and emails you dont even need to leave your armchairs lol

 

[Constance]

It is an oft repeated story, now with an industry behind it. It has become cultural myth - a series of suspicions based on countless unsubstantiated narratives, guesses, lies and defections.

That the Roswell event has assumed 'mythic' proportions over the last forty years does not mean that no event took place, that there is nothing to be discovered but "an oft repeated story."

If you haven't read Witness to Roswell, you should. If you have read it, how did you miss the coherence of the witness statements and other data David Rudiak recognized in it in his 2007 review of the first edition?

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0607/witnesstoroswell.html

 

[DissectionStalker]

Do some fact checking...

Those 400+ slides should offer some clues. IF they traveled and took those 2 pictures, THEN the odds are EXTREMELY high the location can be determined by the other slides. Otherwise, if there is nothing else to connect those 2 slides to the other slides [number sequences on slide film or sleeve], then it's another "I call BS" story, imo. There will just be a number of conspiracy theories to explain it...

Soooo, Mike, can you help us with my post to you too? Thanks.

 

[Burnt State]

1. Most mummified children have 5 fingers.

2. The figures in the Kodak slides don't have 5 fingers.

Birth anomalies often appear together and so it is not uncommon for a hydrocephalus child to have other abnormalities such more or less or more fingers and toes. Hydrolethalus Syndrome is an example of just such a situation. And because humans are weird they seem to have a penchant for turning such children into medical specimens for display, entertainment or education. It's probably more likely to have a slide of this than it would be to have a slide of an alien I would think.

 

[Heidi Lemmer]

I do think it's important to tell the story you know to be true as you know it. Roswell is a story that has moved way past an individual's telling but has turned into something so collected, manipulated and reconstructed that no truth can ever be found. It is the sacred quagmire of ufology. And yes ego and the belief that travels in both directions do fuel this fire that has sprawled all across every ufological inch of internet space.

I think your choice of words is interesting, Heidi, "Roswell was always a story waiting to be told..."

Question: is there an actual start to this story or is it just another example of the never ending story. Is it a story we need to have, like a foundation story, a gospel of some sort? I just wonder if there's anything left to learn anymore from the story or will we always be speculating about it. Are there better methods and investments of our energy that could produce new avenues and more intriguing results than trying to recreate the myth, or prove that it really happened?

I can't answer that.I can't say that one day an entire collection of video's and documents surface from someone's death/estate sale (lol) and we're in wonder if this seals the deal. But I also differ with some, that the evidence in testimony lends solid credibility to this case. I believe that testimony is a huge part of this study. And I think we have ways to vet testimony and give levels of priority, two or more versus one account, for example. We do this in society on everything. Having said that...there are multiple avenues of pursuit in Ufology, none of which needs be singled out and obsessed over, but collectively studied. If testimony is to be considered garbage then everyone should pack their bags and leave the hotel. The story is over. And that is the constant debate in this field. If we don't have a flying saucer and a grey dead inside then its a weather balloon or someone off in the head. I just don't agree with that assessment. That's why I'm still here.

 

[Constance]

Is this person "on record" before Moore's book? Anyone else? [Excluding the press release changes in '47.]

You could find out the answer to this and many other of your many, many questions posted to others here, continually, habitually, sometimes a half-dozen questions in a single post. We're not here to fill in the gaps in your own reading in ufo history. Google is everyone's friend.

 

[Burnt State]

That the Roswell event has assumed 'mythic' proportions over the last forty years does not mean that no event took place, that there is nothing to be discovered but "an oft repeated story."

If you haven't read Witness to Roswell, you should. If you have read it, how did you miss the coherence of the witness statements and other data David Rudiak recognized in it in his 2007 review of the first edition?

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0607/witnesstoroswell.html

i didn't say nothing happened. Something very strange or very mundane did happen. However, how we order, structure and report the events surrounding it is up to the individual writer/investigator. Looking for patterns is what humans do best. Following this we make inferences. With all good stories it's all in the telling. A good retelling of a story soon leads to new permutations of the story, hence nazis. I think Roswell is certainly open to interpretation as we have seen over the years. Whose interpretation you choose, and how convincing you might think it is, also seems to be about personal choice. I champion the story I am most convinced by or by which one I want to believe in.

 

[DissectionStalker]

You could find out the answer to this and many other of your many, many questions posted to others here, continually, habitually, sometimes a half-dozen questions in a single post. We're not here to fill in the gaps in your own reading in ufo history. Google is everyone's friend.

Now, now... here's my excuse:

I've been working hard on the Redfern angle and its connections with Dew and that elderly person tonight. I'm doing good despite your critique that I'm being lazy about this.

I just bet "off the top of your head" you could have provided some Pre-Moore info. Can you help out? I'm sure other people reading would be interested too! Think about it from that angle. Help "the readership" here.

And, you've had plenty of time to read Valdez's book and, especially, to watch Mirage Men too! Wink.

 

[Constance]

With all good stories it's all in the telling. A good retelling of a story soon leads to new permutations of the story, hence nazis. I think Roswell is certainly open to interpretation as we have seen over the years. Whose interpretation you choose, and how convincing you might think it is, also seems to be about personal choice. I champion the story I am most convinced by or by which one I want to believe in.

That's not how the researchers have approached the project of finding out what happened at Roswell. Theirs has been a cooperative, collective, extended effort over several decades to uncover and evaluate a thousand threads of testimony and other clues leading back to the Roswell crash from which to reconstruct a coherent account of what happened. I don't understand how anyone can form an opinion without reading the research.

 

[DissectionStalker]

I don't understand how anyone can form an opinion without reading the research.

[...] read Valdez's book and, especially, to watch Mirage Men too!

Read Project Beta too!

How can you have an informed opinion without that knowledge too???

It's your UFO sightings?

 

[Constance]

I just bet "off the top of your head" you could have provided some Pre-Moore info. Can you help out?

What, did you break a leg or sprain some of your fingers typing endless questions for others to answer for you? Oh wait, I remember you complained of eyestrain as the reason why you often need to use ALL CAPS and BOLDFACE type in drafting your posts. And you also stated that you prefer to get your information from videos and podcasts. Sorry, I can't help you.

 

[DissectionStalker]

And you also stated that you prefer to get your information from videos and podcasts. Sorry, I can't help you.

Oh no, I never said that...

That is just your opinion. [You are mistaken to limit your opinion as such.]

Yes, it is true I have eye-strain, though, and I do prefer typing and reading caps too. I've altered that somewhat by using italics and a larger font size instead of using caps.

Sorry, I can't help you.

No, I already suggested you can help everyone else that is reading here and lurking. Please share when you can.

As I suggested:

Can you help out? I'm sure other people reading would be interested too! Think about it from that angle. Help "the readership" here.

 

[mike]

Those 400+ slides should offer some clues. IF they traveled and took those 2 pictures, THEN the odds are EXTREMELY high the location can be determined by the other slides. Otherwise, if there is nothing else to connect those 2 slides to the other slides [number sequences on slide film or sleeve], then it's another "I call BS" story, imo. There will just be a number of conspiracy theories to explain it...

Soooo, Mike, can you help us with my post to you too? Thanks.

Well as the alleged narrative states these two slides were hidden seperate from the others in the personal collection, which if true is in and off itself compelling imo.
If they were just holiday snaps taken at a museum why do that ?

I dont know enough about the codes on slides to answer the question, I would assume like the emulsion film i had developed last century the frames would have a sequence number. If each roll of film had an individual serial number then you might be able to match those pics with the others taken on that roll of film and place them in sequence.

Assuming then that we could do this and that the pics on either side gave some idea as to location and were not just snaps of the family dog on a lawn.
You might if you were really lucky be able to extrapolate a location. For example pic 6 is a cafe in Paris pic 9 is the eifell tower. If pics 7/8 were of something that looks like an alien, you might surmise the pics were likely taken in france somewhere.

If on the other hand the film rolls dont carry individual unique serial numbers you have no way of matching them to any of a number of films shot and developed.

So i have to reject your suggestion that the odds are EXTREMELY high the location can be determined by the other slides. I'd say its the exact opposite unless the films have unique serial numbers and the pics either side of the two in question are taken in the same location and contain images that are easily identifiable.

Now this might cause you to form the opinion then that the slides are BS, and you are entitled to that opinion. But proof its BS ? Hardly

The only thing that would be proven by the latter circumstance is that we cant determine the location of the pics, not that they were fakes.

And again the evidence seems reasonably solid these were taken in the 40's, the couple who owned them made no milage no money or fame from them just hid them away (for reasons know only to them).

There is no apparent motive for BS on their part

 

[DissectionStalker]

And again the evidence seems reasonably solid these were taken in the 40's, the couple who owned them made no milage no money or fame from them just hid them away (for reasons know only to them).

According to Dew's story. He is the center piece. IF the two slides can match any sequence in the other 400+ slides, then it is very likely true. I've had considerable photography experience including developing negatives and slides too. I know these can be matched-up ABSOLUTELY beyond dispute, but I'm not revealing that now.

Mike, please respond to this post noted again below:

Mike, you probably know Redfern's story in detail, right? He made considerable comments about this at Bishop's recent RM program. November 20, 2014. Check it out dude, mate.

Here's the really cool thing about Redfern's "contact"... all that happened two years ago BEFORE the slides were exploding on the net. Redfern got exact identifying information about the images that also MATCHED what dream people knew back 'then', yes, "they confirmed" it was correct too! ALL done privately before any posting online about it.

Soooo....

You got your contact with Dew... do us a favor and ask him to explain this issue. It's VERY UNLIKELY the old man was a hoax 2 years ago BEFORE the media hype about any of this!

Don't you see how important this is??? Seriously!

Come-on man, you're "the man". You want the truth or part of it asap. We all do.

Help us! Please. And, thank you, sir, mate.

Wink. I think I might have OCD about this...

Lol...

 

[mike]

No

Ive already outlined why i think it would be difficult if not impossible to fix a location based on other pics.
You counter with it is but im not going to tell you how.....

Nor is it Adam who is saying in all likelyhood these were taken in the 40's thats the Kodak expert and at least one other photography guy that i know of.

The professor featured in the trailer is a prominent photo historian, but not the Kodachrome expert who analyzed the slides.

Ask him yourself, be respectful. dont make it a challenge or demand anything. Try politely asking him to clarify a point for you.

Heres the thing, i get that others have slapped labels like "Roswell slides" and alien slides on this.

But Adam has said he doesnt think its a smoking gun, hes not claiming they are proof ET exists or that Roswell happened.

They only claim made thus far is the image "looks like" the sort of alien allegedly retreived.

And in so far as thats the claim, its not wrong

Other aspects of the provenance including the Kodak experts view the slides were likely taken and developed in the 40's, the fact that Bernerd worked in NM in the 40's May or may not be significant. Thats for the individual to decide.

I cant stress this enough

Opinions are not facts

These guys are not making any claims of fact, Others have thrown up phrases like smoking gun, Adam has not. He admits he doesnt know. A fair and honest answer imo.

On the flip side we see people posting opinion as fact, without any shred of evidence or proof to back the claims

They will make millions..... Opinion not fact
Its over its a scam..... Opinion, in fact its hardly even begun let alone over, how can it be over before the evidence has even been presented

The only people really being dishonest in this are those trying to promote their opinions as solid fact.

Ive been called a true believer, opinion not fact. Were i a true believer my stance would be "aliens are real" These pics are of ET and that it proves roswell is a true story.

But i havent done that, on the contrary my stance has been wait and look at the evidence, thats the characteristic of someone whom wants to know the anwers, not someone who believes they already have them.

In debate you have the side for the affirmative and the side for the negative. were i debating for the affirmative, i would start by stating these slides ARE genuine, they show a real ET and that given the provenance they prove Roswell happened as described by many.

And had i done so you would have quite rightly howled me down as stating opinion as fact without proof.

But, as spokespeople for the negative youve had no trouble with doing just that. Youve claimed its a hoax, its a scam its all about money that they will make millions, that its BS on the flimsist and tenous of pretenses. Not a single shred of evidence to support these claims.

All ive claimed as a neutral observer is i dont know (as opposed to those of you who insist you do) and that a wise approach would be to at least look at the evidence before passing judgement. And again i'm glad our legal system doesnt work like that.

Kangaroo court - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You really have to be grasping at straws to suggest that since we cant place two slides in sequence thats blows the case wide open

Or they are going to make millions and rip people off.......

Id have more respect for THAT tack if it was in reference to a traveling circus and the objection was the poor animals are kept in cages and subject to truck fumes as they travel from city to city.

There are worse things to spend a few pesos on, if THATs the objection then its one scrapped from the bottom of the barrel.

For me this is about researching a topic i find compelling, ive decided that for you its just a game a way of amusing yourself, and im not inclined to play.

Do some research, we are not here to spoon feed you

 

[SRL+]

Allegedly in the past, governments have intervened in swooping down and plucking any evidence out of the clutches of whistle blowers. Why not here? Why hasn’t the US govt. stepped in and confiscated these two potentially world changing images? As a practical matter, if these slides were to be authentically proven, any government on the face of this planet would certainly want to be the first to view them.., especially here in the US. Short of some type of court battle, as a matter of national security the “Dream Team” would have no other alternative than to turn them over. This obviously hasn’t occurred, and at the same time must be on someone’s radar. Or, just maybe, the government already knows the answer, and is secretly chuckling in the background.

 

[fastwalker]

Something very strange or very mundane did happen. However, how we order, structure and report the events surrounding it is up to the individual writer/investigator. Looking for patterns is what humans do best. Following this we make inferences. With all good stories it's all in the telling. A good retelling of a story soon leads to new permutations of the story, hence nazis. I think Roswell is certainly open to interpretation as we have seen over the years. Whose interpretation you choose, and how convincing you might think it is, also seems to be about personal choice. I champion the story I am most convinced by or by which one I want to believe in.

The problem I have always had with Roswell is I just can not see how this advanced civilization wrecks in desert in the first place... I have said it before, It would be like me driving a brand new Tesla from New York to Disneyland in California and then driving the damn thing into the parking garage wall. I am like that poster 'I want to believe' I want to believe in the whole crash/body recovery scenario but my brain screams no; for me Roswell has been like cotton candy, this very substantial looking treat but when you bite into it it quickly dissolves into almost nothing. I agree with you Burnt something indeed happened there but I lean towards the mundane, at this particular moment of interpretation but who knows what the morrow brings? Who knows indeed?

 

[Constance]

Allegedly in the past, governments have intervened in swooping down and plucking any evidence out of the clutches of whistle blowers. Why not here? Why hasn’t the US govt. stepped in and confiscated these two potentially world changing images? As a practical matter, if these slides were to be authentically proven, any government on the face of this planet would certainly want to be the first to view them.., especially here in the US. Short of some type of court battle, as a matter of national security the “Dream Team” would have no other alternative than to turn them over. This obviously hasn’t occurred, and at the same time must be on someone’s radar. Or, just maybe, the government already knows the answer, and is secretly chuckling in the background.

To do so would only magnify the sense of the significance of the slides among those who consider them potentially significant. (Also, it's not so easy to confiscate material when it's not known where it is located, when the site at which it exists has not already been cleared of onlookers and locked down.) Besides which, it's doubtful that any two slides could persuade the world that extraterrestrials crashed near Roswell. If anything, the slides might turn out to be additional corroborative evidence supporting that which has already been accumulated concerning the Roswell event and its immediate aftermath. Not much harm done since most people don't even realize the extent of the supporting evidence collected so far.

 

[SRL+]

That’s quite a stretch to suggest that the DOD/ NSA is impotent.