The Roswell Slides Steal the Show!

[Trajanus]

I'm still of the opinion that whatever happened at Roswell was very unusual, but more governmental than extraterrestrial.

From what I've heard, from the best informed of skeptics and believers alike, it was either NYU #4 or ET. The former has been effectively eliminated.

Operators of that caliber, IMO, would not immediately react to the discovery of a crashed alien disc with a full blown press release. Followed by an "Oops! Move along. Nothing to see here."

Well, this was, after all, an unexpected development at the very start so they may not have gotten their act together until after the press release. Alternatively, as Haut suggested, it was misdirection, albeit involving ET sites.

I can't imagine a more effective way to motivate generations of the curious to look exactly there and for the wrong thing.

And exactly what was the "right thing"? That is, what prosaic explanation is there other than every conceivable one already eliminated?

 

[Stagger Lee]

It's also possible that the first press release was the truth as the first responders knew it. First incident of it's kind, I'm not surprised it wasn't smothered from the start.

 

[Double Nought Spy]

Yikes, the whole point of the thread was about how these unproven, unseen slides robbed an otherwise good opportunity for a good PR opportunity for UFO/UAP study. Carey just had to crow about his sideshow slideshow flea circus. He's really succeeded, because that's all people are talking about, the Roswell non-news.

Anyway, here's another article on it, chiefly of interest for the comments by Leslie Kean and one of the students from the university that attended the UFO panel.
Roswell UFO researcher claims to have picture of aliens - Openminds.tv

I agree that it was not a good idea to make such claims at that event. However I don't see anyone involved here who is really flaky, in my opinion, and it does seem like they are trying very hard to have their ducks in a row before releasing the images. There is a vast number of examples of not getting such things right in the past. That's what it looks like to me, but I am aware that others look at the same events and conclude the people involved are just milking it for cash. I don't see enough justification to make that assumption at this point. I do think they need to clam up until they are ready to show us the goods. It's not like they need to maintain interest or no one will pay attention when the time comes!

 

[Bergen]

Even if the photos are from 47 the aliens might still be dolls

 

[boomerang]

From what I've heard, from the best informed of skeptics and believers alike, it was either NYU #4 or ET. The former has been effectively eliminated.



Well, this was, after all, an unexpected development at the very start so they may not have gotten their act together until after the press release. Alternatively, as Haut suggested, it was misdirection, albeit involving ET sites.


And exactly what was the "right thing"? That is, what prosaic explanation is there other than every conceivable one already eliminated?

All possible, of course. The elite occasionally screw up, just like the rest of us. It's just that it seems as if the unexpected discovery of ultra exotic technology by seasoned intelligence professionals should have left them immediately clammed up and quietly passing info up the chain of command.

But---I've never been in the military myself. I've heard stories from a few ex military folks working in positions of high responsibility that would leave one shaking one's head. Many of us probably have. Maybe someone here more familiar with the 'nuts and bolts' of protocol for such things could offer a more informed opinion.

Certainly Roswell remains one of the top strangest chapters in the history of the subject.

 

[manxman]

Even if the photos are from 47 the aliens might still be dolls

Yes the 'aliens' could be pre 47, so are of historical significance, being of the pre walmart era.

 

[Trajanus]

It's also possible that the first press release was the truth as the first responders knew it. First incident of it's kind, I'm not surprised it wasn't smothered from the start.

In fact, the press release was smothered the same day the Roswell Daily Record carried the story. Blanchard may have goofed by telling Haut to put it out but it didn't take long at all for Ramey to squelch it.

 

[DaveM]

To me it boils down to this... If you aren't prepared to show the goods, then shut the hell up. Don't tell us it will probably be 2015 or whenever before you reveal these slides. All it does is make people believe you are trying to make money off the whole thing or that this is some more BS you are trying to present.

 

[Constance]

The way it looks to me, Carey couldn't not refer to the slides given the time (and trouble) that has passed (not yet passed) since the announcement was first made. The trouble has likely been caused by both fear and mendacity on the part of those who stand to profit and/or risk trouble in their own lives by identifying themselves and establishing the provenance of the slides found. I do not think the researchers involved are trying to profit financially. I think they do believe the slides they've seen are significant. If Carey had not said at least something about the situation of the slides during that public forum, the momentum of public interest in them would have been lost. I think we will hear more in the future about the slides and also see them. At least I hope so.

 

[Constance]

ps: it's not like any of the research into Roswell, including obtaining sworn testimonies from those who were present, has been easy. This kind of research -- going against the position of the government and military and the obliteration of official records -- requires incredible patience, persistence, determination, and diligence, and has done so for the last 65 years. I cannot understand why current internet commentators and critics of the serious ufo research that has been accumulated are unable to recognize that.

 

[Sentry]

I cannot understand why current internet commentators and critics of the serious ufo research that has been accumulated are unable to recognize that.

My position is that there's a genuine phenomenon. However, some (maybe most) UFO tales are nothing but smoke.
The same goes for stories of a massive Government cover-up.

 

[Burnt State]

My position is that there's a genuine phenomenon. However, some (maybe most) UFO tales are nothing but smoke.
The same goes for stories of a massive Government cover-up.

There is power in the simple truth.

Most of the smoke is of our own creation: misperceptions, confabulations and insinuations.

It would be so much better if we could peel back all the dross, dump the grey basket material and concentrate on the dynamic, core cases, and see where that takes us.

 

[manxman]

Im with constance, theres been monumental money spent negating the impact on public perception of serious UFO related issues.

 

[boomerang]

It would be so much better if we could peel back all the dross, dump the grey basket material and concentrate on the dynamic, core cases, and see where that takes us.

Great approach and it's a shame we cannot. I just happened to hear a suggestion by Greg Bishop on one of his podcasts that if he somehow had the ability, he would raze the current scene of ufology as we know it to the ground and then allow it to re-build itself in a saner way. An exaggeration maybe. But many of us can sympathize with that feeling.

 

[Burnt State]

Im with constance, theres been monumental money spent negating the impact on public perception of serious UFO related issues.

?
What extra monies? Military shreds paper everyday. Look there goes a decade or two of research lost in a forgotten building, There really is no grand scheme, just the general restriction of information. If anything, the whole community's been distracted looking for disclosure when there's as much knowledge on the militarist side as there is between Vallée and Clark. The mystery is too mysterious for anyone to figure out so I don't see a lot of extra money going anywhere. Send your reports to the billionaire as we couldn't be bothered to read them anymore, they say. The conspiracy angle is just a smoke screen and a very functional one for any 3 letter agency that needs a front for general evil, mayhem and misdemeanors.

To believe that there's a grand coordinated effort to disguise, obfuscate and withhold vital information is to believe in MJ12. While the powers that be like to hold their cards close to their chest, gone are the days of fearing communists, now they just say nothing because they don't have to say or hide much at all. The UFO community does its own excellent job at running general interference and causing chaos - been doing it for decades in fact.

 

[SRL+]

As for some unbeknownst reason, Thomas Carey felt compelled by forces as yet to be identified, (Roswell Wall of Fame?), to marginalize the conference with his unsubstantiated opinions, while sending accredited presenters into the shadows.

In contacting the Texas Data Center, confirmed was the fact that there is a “whole lot of nothing out there” in Midland County, Texas. And what might the odds be of a “high-powered” female attorney practicing law in a male oriented, ultra-conservative town with a scant populous of approximately 14,000, in 1947?

Texas Data Center: Texas State Data Center

Below, from the Texas State Historical Society:

“The area also profited from the establishment of Midland Army Air Force Base, one of the largest training bases in the world at the time; the Army Air Force Bombardier School operated there between 1942 and 1945. Oilfield activities and the infusion of cash from the military helped to energize the local economy, and by 1945 Midland had grown to a population of 14,000. When the air base was closed in 1946, its facilities were converted to provide the city with an excellent airport.”

MIDLAND, TX | The Handbook of Texas Online| Texas State Historical Association (TSHA)

As a female legal eagle, with a pilot’s license in an extremely small town like Midland Texas in 1947, it should be fairly easy to find out whether, or not this person actually existed. This woman wouldn’t be considered as Amelia Earhart, however, for that time period, and with the alleged credentials, she most likely would have been remembered. A “high-powered” female attorney in Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth, or Houston in 1947 may have conceivably worked.

And then there’s this:

The Roswell UFO Incident Storytellers Donald Schmitt and Tom Carey

 

[Constance]

To believe that there's a grand coordinated effort to disguise, obfuscate and withhold vital information is to believe in MJ12.

Nonsense, Burnt. There was obviously a top-down effort all along, enforced by: a) radical compartmentalization of access to information by people inside the military and other gov't agencies and b) investments in supporting and directing disinformation agents to confound whatever information was leaked or, usually, tracked down by outside civilian
investigators. That's how we got the MJ12 documents in the corrupted form we did. A researcher of ufo history has to be wilfully blind not to see this. I really wonder why you so badly want all of this not to be true.

 

[Flatwoods]

Roswell keep spining around and around.

I'm a fan of UFO crash-retrieval cases; I find them interesting and intriguing. That said, Roswell has always been a disappointment for me. I can't help but picturing this analogy...

Imagine one day there was a breaking news story about a NASA spacecraft that had crashed in the desert. Early reports describe a horrifying scene, with burnt wreckage and bodies of astronauts still in their suits. Reporters flock to the outskirts of a tiny town in the middle of nowhere to cover the story, but when they interview the town sheriff, the details are revealed to be less than spectacular...

He shows them the debris that was found which consists of: some aluminum poles, large swatches of multi-colored fabric, and a harness. The official explanation: the debris is an abandoned ultra-light aircraft. The press has a laugh and everyone goes home. Sometime later allegations of a cover-up surface. The man who found the debris says it was unusually flame-retardant, and a local aviator claims there were no ultra-light flights that day. Some claim that it was in fact a NASA spacecraft that had crashed, and the details covered up.

Decades later the truth is finally revealed: it was a tent that had been discarded.

My point about Roswell is this...how in the world does one consider the description of the debris that was found to ever, in any way, equal a flying saucer? No one ever saw it flying. The only thing anomalous about the debris is a few reports of semi-exotic material...in other words, material people couldn't identify. That's a long way from spaceship.

As for the Roswell slides, there seems to be nothing in the photos to link them to the Roswell incident at all. Again, just something that can't be identified at present.

 

[Trajanus]

My point about Roswell is this...how in the world does one consider the description of the debris that was found to ever, in any way, equal a flying saucer? No one ever saw it flying. The only thing anomalous about the debris is a few reports of semi-exotic material...in other words, material people couldn't identify. That's a long way from spaceship.

In fact one or more witnesses did see something flying or coming down to Earth. The debris field, furthermore, wasn't all there was to it. Reports from another site mention a more intact craft. But let's suppose there was just the debris field, with exotic materials--unlike anyone earthly civilization can produce. The implication is fairly clear.

 

[Stagger Lee]

In fact one or more witnesses did see something flying or coming down to Earth. The debris field, furthermore, wasn't all there was to it. Reports from another site mention a more intact craft. But let's suppose there was just the debris field, with exotic materials--unlike anyone earthly civilization can produce. The implication is fairly clear.

Throw a couple bald little folk in there, and the story gets strange.
Did the Air Force come out in '97 and directly say crash test dummies were included in this failed project Mogul? I seem to recall hearing that, not sure if it was from military spokesman.