Timothy Good

[trainedobserver]

The Mercury, Gemeni, and Apollo spacecraft had no toilets either.

Yes, but they were wearing their toilets, so to speak.

 

[boomerang]

Who else would you put in this camp: Philip K. Dick?

If you don't think Dick was brilliant, read "Flow My Tears..." or "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep". If you don't think he teetered into psychosis, read "VALIS".

Bathrooms? No--not a necessity for creatures or bio-bots specialized for the purpose of "away missions" to earth or even space flight generally. But I'm still almost as awed by what means these things manage to cloak and deny themselves in avoiding mainstream human belief systems as by whatever critters are behind the curtain. Of course, I'm also awed by the likes of Albert Einstein or Amadeus Mozart, so there may be a clue.

 

[enzo]

Any bio-anything including Commander Data from some distant planet would cause an epidemic tsunami that would have ended us long ago. It is all magical thinking. Remember - fact is stranger than fiction. Earth facts will keep your mind occupied for many years to come. Besides, if anybody travelled 17 trillion miles without a bathroom, the odor would have wiped the occupants out before they reached cruising velocity.

I'm always amazed at how quickly people think that unusual aircraft are extraterrestrial. It's like they never consider the possibility of human advancement behind the scenes. Like I say, the Germans had remote controlled tanks and aircraft and night vision in WWII. In fact, that is scratching the surface. You don't think an image can be projected in the sky? You don't think a vision or dream could be beamed into your head? Just look at the patents that are out there on the books and then imagine which advancements are NOT in there! You can have music beamed into your head on the couch without anyone else hearing it. All old hat. Primitive.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Can not believe that dick head Timothy Good was on your show.Major UK ufo investigator?Every story he tells is about someone who told a friend who told him.This guy wants to sell books full stop or as you say in America period.Art Bell when he had him on his new show actually stopped the interview people like him is why ufo research has no credibility.Richard Hawkins Belfast Northern Ireland

From the school of hit-and-run artists, after his Timothy Good insults ran their course, Hawkins wrote me and asked to have his membership deleted, which we have done. That's why his avatar is now a question mark. So it is.

 

[trainedobserver]

I'm always amazed at how quickly people think that unusual aircraft are extraterrestrial. It's like they never consider the possibility of human advancement behind the scenes. Like I say, the Germans had remote controlled tanks and aircraft and night vision in WWII. In fact, that is scratching the surface. You don't think an image can be projected in the sky? You don't think a vision or dream could be beamed into your head? Just look at the patents that are out there on the books and then imagine which advancements are NOT in there! You can have music beamed into your head on the couch without anyone else hearing it. All old hat. Primitive.

In that vein, some notes from Messengers of Deception by Vallee.

p. 196 First Hypothesis: The Martian Conspiracy

The code name “Martians” …used by British Intelligence during WWII ...referred to the spy industry that had been created to keep the Allied command informed on the moves and intentions of the Wehrmacht. ...documented ...in Anthony Browns’ book, A Bodyguard of Lies. ...a remark made by Churchill at the Teheran Conference to Roosevelt and Stalin: “In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.”

p. 197

The work of the “Martians’ and their colleagues during the war included the manipulation of friend and foe alike to further the goals of global strategy. They were not concerned with the day-to-day operation of the war. Their only purpose was strategic deception.

p. 198

Inflatable rubber tanks, tracks left in the desert sand, simulation of the sounds of an entire armada maneuvering in dense fog, electronic countermeasures that enabled a single cargo plane to appear to be an attacking bomber fleet, …

p. 199

The fragments in question provided the first proof of the existence of a new German secret weapon, the V2. What other weapons were at the prototype stage in the German arsenal? Could some of these have been used later, in Sweden and elsewhere, to support an even more ambitious stratagem: the simulation of an outer-space invasion, the goal of which might have been to prevent a third World War by turning the thoughts of mankind toward an extraterrestrial goal, lending credibility to the notion of an impending invasion from space? [Note: This was the plot of the original Outer Limits episode Architects of Fear starring Robert Culp as an alien/human hybrid]

...A writer named Bernard Newman actually described such a scenario in his 1948 novel The Flying Saucer. ...The same idea comes up in Leonard Lewin’s Report from Iron Mountain, an ingenious hoax purporting to be a secret report on the possibility and desirability of peace, in which “an established and recognized extraterrestrial menace” is listed among the possible “substitute institutions for consideration as replacements for the nonmilitary functions of war.”

p.200

Could someone be faking an extraterrestrial threat? The idea seems preposterous indeed. Is it less believable than the idea General George Patton commanding an imaginary Army Corps armed with inflatable tanks and cardboard barracks? … If Britain, the Unit edes , and the Soviet Union could jointly plan and carry them out such worldwide deception in the early forties, could not the same mechanisms be at work now? Only a fraction of the deception techniques has been revealed. The institutions created to carry them out are still in existence with their privileged communications channels, their hidden sources of procurement and capital, their recruiting procedures.The answer to the question, “Could such an international group fake, use, or manipulate UFO activity?” has to be YES.

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I think that a group or groups like the "Martians" do exist and are actively using the UFO mythos to further their own ends which have nothing whatsoever to do with non-human technology or activity.

 

[enzo]

I like the above. Very good. It reminded me of Bob Lazar, BS artist, trickster and disinformation specialist. He now owns a high tech company that works closely with the government. Surprise surprise.

 

[trainedobserver]

I like the above. Very good. It reminded me of Bob Lazar, BS artist, trickster and disinformation specialist. He now owns a high tech company that works closely with the government. Surprise surprise.

Not surprisingly, many things that keep getting repeated in the UFO mythos came through the Lear/Lazar and Moore/Doty channels.

 

[trainedobserver]

I think the guy who could cut the Gordian Knot of the modern UFO phenomenon in our lifetime is Snowden. He may have nothing on the intelligence community's secret air force, but I would suspect that he might. He must be holding some big cards back as insurance. Could he float even more outrageous documents now that the credibility of his information has been established? Is one of those, "UFOs are us"?

 

[wwkirk]

I think the guy who could cut the Gordian Knot of the modern UFO phenomenon in our lifetime is Snowden. He may have nothing on the intelligence community's secret air force, but I would suspect that he might. He must be holding some big cards back as insurance. Could he float even more outrageous documents now that the credibility of his information has been established? Is one of those, "UFOs are us"?

Since Wikileaks didn't turn up anything on UFOs, I don't expect Snowden will either.

 

[enzo]

Not surprisingly, many things that keep getting repeated in the UFO mythos came through the Lear/Lazar and Moore/Doty channels.

Don't forget Art Bell. The most important thing for a disinformation campaign is a marketing platform.

As for UFOs, we are talking about high tech secret projects. I don't think Wikileaks or Snowden was involved with that. Snowden was in data collection or, as I like to say, the Dirty Laundry Division. If you are in the control business, dirty laundry is highly valued. If you have a field marshal who is also a cross-dresser, this can be 'leaked' when needed. If you know Senator X enjoys hookers, this can be useful. Remember when General Betray-us stepped out of line last year? A day later 'the media found out' that he was having an affair on the side. Very useful information. That IS the purpose of 'Total Information.' You can keep everyone under control if you have dirt on them.

 

[Rizla]

This was a classic episode! A bombshell occurs at around 1:13:00 that really makes my day. "A mixture of human and them, these critters... cross-species copulation was very seldom employed because the alien male organs were too soft. Thus, artificial insemination prevailed."

The Greys can't get it up! I ponder this profundity, it changes everything. Is Dr Jacobs aware of this discovery? Is Good being cruel or kind not to inform him?

In a cafeteria somewhere, a petit woman walks up and takes a bow to Good. This reveals, listeners will learn, a hell of a lot. No forum post can possibly cover the scientific revelations revealed, for the first time, on this program. There's nothing like Ufology to get you out of the doldrums. Were those tears of laughter I heard occasionally in the background? I was absolutely riveted.

Thank you. Fukushima news is getting me down, I needed a laugh. Priceless! Who says Ufology is dead and buried? How on earth did you guys keep from exploding with laughter? An act of supreme human continence, great show.

 

[Jeff Davis]

I have no problem with Tim. I honestly enjoyed this show and the manner in which Gene & Chris interviewed our friend here. Of course I don't accept what the man knowingly reports as uncertain if not down right risqué UFO intell. I have no doubt that Tim understands the value of a dollar however, and his books have proved entertaining. It all washes at the end of the day. For those that are permanently soiled, there wasn't much there to begin with. Does it serve to "illuminate" the reality of the UFO puzzle? Not in the least IMO. It does however offer an extraordinary glimpse into what is the UFO Subculture and how those many myriad of myths are perpetuated. This is the type of awareness that indoctrinated faith is built on.

 

[Burnt State]

In that vein, some notes from Messengers of Deception by Vallee...
The work of the “Martians’ and their colleagues during the war included the manipulation of friend and foe alike to further the goals of global strategy. They were not concerned with the day-to-day operation of the war....
I think that a group or groups like the "Martians" do exist and are actively using the UFO mythos to further their own ends which have nothing whatsoever to do with non-human technology or activity.

I respect a lot of your thinking on this forum but this one about strategic decption needs a little more fleshing out in light if the history of UFO witness reports. In the case of war time activity the important thing is to have as many witnesses as possible confirm an invented reality for the mission to be a success, or at least the manipulation of key figures. The manipulation of many is something that appears to ring true about UFO's yet this mission has been haphazard at best and many, many decades old.

Mass witness deception (Phoenix lights, Father Gill, Rendalshem, Australian school kids etc.) stand alongside the much more frequent solo witness events and the rare radar and physical trace evidence events. My question: shouldn't all the resources be put into the larger scale public events, in order to achieve manipulation endgoals? Why waste time on the many wonderful descriptions of individual witnessed, or remote small group events? They are not key figures and when key figures speak a la Paul Helleyer we think they've departed from consensus reality altogether.

My second question is who else carries out multi-generational deception platforms unless the end-goal is akin to a much longer term strategy i.e. the goals of nations, corporations, and philosophies oriented around the success and survival of mono-cultural or closed groups? If this isn't the Ultrterrestrial hypothesis then to whom does it belong?

Finally, what 's the purpose of this multi-generational deception stratagem whose net-effect currently has been the slow accumulation of belief amongst the masses, dismissal and indifference from science and global power elites and it's relegation to the shelves of folklore and mythology? There really hasn't been much accomplished here has there? Does this theory hold any practical weight?

 

[Jeff Davis]

I respect a lot of your thinking on this forum but this one about strategic decption needs a little more fleshing out in light if the history of UFO witness reports. In the case of war time activity the important thing is to have as many witnesses as possible confirm an invented reality for the mission to be a success, or at least the manipulation of key figures. The manipulation of many is something that appears to ring true about UFO's yet this mission has been haphazard at best and many, many decades old.

Mass witness deception (Phoenix lights, Father Gill, Rendalshem, Australian school kids etc.) stand alongside the much more frequent solo witness events and the rare radar and physical trace evidence events. My question: shouldn't all the resources be put into the larger scale public events, in order to achieve manipulation endgoals? Why waste time on the many wonderful descriptions of individual witnessed, or remote small group events? They are not key figures and when key figures speak a la Paul Helleyer we think they've departed from consensus reality altogether.

My second question is who else carries out multi-generational deception platforms unless the end-goal is akin to a much longer term strategy i.e. the goals of nations, corporations, and philosophies oriented around the success and survival of mono-cultural or closed groups? If this isn't the Ultrterrestrial hypothesis then to whom does it belong?

Finally, what 's the purpose of this multi-generational deception stratagem whose net-effect currently has been the slow accumulation of belief amongst the masses, dismissal and indifference from science and global power elites and it's relegation to the shelves of folklore and mythology? There really hasn't been much accomplished here has there? Does this theory hold any practical weight?

Burnt State, this is very intriguing.

So please, can we gain a better insight into your quandary here in an effort to clarify a point that we may "hop on" acutely rather than clumsily? Is trainedobserver pointing to something Machiavellian wherein ancient banking organizations are promoting the concept of war for their profits? Is this the angle? Or are we referring to a manipulation of humanity to act out here as a basic population control?

It has always been a contention that I maintain vigorously wherein humanity exists knowingly in multiple evolutionary stages based on human remnant preservation groups resulting from previous earth specific extinction level events. This is a likely scenario with respect to UFO origins. It states that UFOs are first and foremost of a human origin. Albeit a human origin that seems to use a completely silent means of harvesting and/or converting environmental energy in a way that utterly transcends the environmental limitations that we in our present physiologically bound human infancy struggle with all our technological might to overcome.

If one accepts that mankind might outgrow it's present meta-physiologic status as a result of transcendent evolutionary change, then such a scenario is possible. It could be that post a tremendous evolutionary climb that humanity suffered a mass extinction level birth defect, or plague resultant fever that rendered the brain damaged via what Jaynes refers to as the Bicameral Mind. This proposed initial species of humanity may have possessed mental capabilities far and away nothing like what is the present state of our barely outside the mouth of the cave selves. As a result it may be that such a multimillennial ultrahuman breakaway was formed to essentially preserve themselves in a quasi technological facilitated relationship that eventually afforded them virtual immortality at the cost of their physiology. We ourselves may be somewhat close to being able to attain the very first stages of this same type of technologically facilitated integration. If only on an extremely embryonic introductory level as we strive for AI.

 

[trainedobserver]

My question: shouldn't all the resources be put into the larger scale public events, in order to achieve manipulation endgoals? Why waste time on the many wonderful descriptions of individual witnessed, or remote small group events? They are not key figures and when key figures speak a la Paul Helleyer we think they've departed from consensus reality altogether.

Bear in mind the goal is to use the UFO phenomenon and mythos as camouflage for secret terrestrial technologies. This does not mean that all UFO phenomena are the activities of this group but rather presupposes that “genuine” UFO activity actually exists and predates it. The manipulation of public opinion about UFOs being a large component, they seem to be using the carrot and the stick so to speak. They ridicule the notion while simultaneously feeding the machine (pop culture) perpetuating it. The key thing to remember is that its just camouflage being used to conceal something else.

My second question is who else carries out multi-generational deception platforms unless the end-goal is akin to a much longer term strategy i.e. the goals of nations, corporations, and philosophies oriented around the success and survival of mono-cultural or closed groups? If this isn't the Ultrterrestrial hypothesis then to whom does it belong?

I believe the group belongs to the super or apex predators of society and are human beings. How old this group is and the extent of their technological advantage is unknown. I think it seems safe to say they are in possession of technologies indistinguishable from alien technology or perhaps even what the majority of the world would consider magic.

The source of true UFO activity that remains unidentified and ostensibly alien may in fact be human as well. I don't know. Ultra-terrestrials or ancient human civilization living under the sea? Who knows? While everything may be possible, only a few things are probable. Humans seem the most probable to me.

Finally, what 's the purpose of this multi-generational deception stratagem whose net-effect currently has been the slow accumulation of belief amongst the masses, dismissal and indifference from science and global power elites and it's relegation to the shelves of folklore and mythology? There really hasn't been much accomplished here has there?

Again, the UFO mythos is a tool and not the end goal. I think the goal is to maintain a level of technological advantage over the general population. I think the total surveillance state instituted and run by criminal gangs masquerading as legitimate governments seeks total control over the population.

Does this theory hold any practical weight?

I believe that it does. It isn't meant to be the unifying theory of ufology or anything. I just think we're getting the wool pulled over our eyes. We're looking at the right hand while the left hand is doing something else entirely.

Remember ...
“Keep your eyes on the skies and one hand on your wallet!”

 

[enzo]

I'm with the trained observer. The right hand is Richard C. Hogwash on the Art Bell show while the left hand is up to something that Snowden is talking about.

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Tran,
Agree with the element of humanoid but never rule out other players going on above top secret and Tim following book. Also Chris theory of the Trickster which could also have a element of humanoid as ancient civilisation don't forget the made rush of Imperial powers who knows what their so called missionaries or military brought back? Furthermore, the sea is part of the key as underground structures. Oddly Tim thoughts might one day (regarding ESP) ring true one day and doubters all could have egg on our face. Wonder how many people are tested through out the World every year for blood, tissues and x-rays?

 

[Pep]

I really enjoyed last weeks show with Timothy Good. I found him to be compelling. I can tell i am in the minority. But after 25 years of following this subject i know this much, the paranormal and all that comprises it is beyond our scope.

Science and its demands for repeatable results will make it nearly impossible to prove anything any of us see or experience. We as a species do not have the tools either spiritually or scientifically to deal with the paranormal. And seeing how angry this subject makes most people. We also lack the emotional stability to deal with this at all..

So to wrap up, Material tools to an immaterial problem means to me at-least,that science will not give us the answers we want and need. To only make science the end all and be all lacks balance when dealing with the paranormal. I think its even beyond our spiritual tools. To me at this point in our evolution as a species intuition is all we have. Trusting our gut like believing in GOD, we can only hope we are right to believe what we believe.

Good job Gene,Chris..i am one of your listeners that tunes in to fulfill my primal needs. Knowing what is behind the veil we will never know. Our reward may only be that we are certain their is something going on. And for now at this point in our evolution as a species that maybe reward enough.

pep

 

[trainedobserver]

I'm with the trained observer. The right hand is Richard C. Hogwash on the Art Bell show while the left hand is up to something that Snowden is talking about.

All of this is just my best guess of course ...

R.H. and the like are probably only opportunists operating at the periphery of this at best. The intelligence community has most likely been directly manipulating the belief system surrounding UFOs pre-Keyhoe. I think we see more contemporary examples of this in L.M.H. being "briefed" by AFOSI, the Paul Bennewitz affair, the Lear/Lazar opera, and such all guiding the perception of UFOs by the general public. How much of the popular notion of what UFOs might be, what their intentions are, and who is behind them has been guided by this less than hidden hand? UFOs, aliens, and the paranormal such a large part of popular culture they are inescapable at the moment. Their acceptance as reality would appear to be at an all time high.

A technological elite whose goals transcend national interests who can manipulate politics on a global scale through the exclusive use of proprietary technologies seems to be an imminent threat unlike any that could be posed by an alien visitation.

Tran,
Oddly Tim thoughts might one day (regarding ESP) ring true one day and doubters all could have egg on our face. Wonder how many people are tested through out the World every year for blood, tissues and x-rays?

There seems to be some evidence for a workable artificial telepathy and I think this group would have a much more sophisticated version in use. I think Good's examples were a bit strange. His excuse for not talking to them aside, the encounters really proved nothing other than to echo one of Ingo Swann's.

If a technological elite moves among us using methods and technologies that would make us appear to be in the stone age, then contacting violin players interested in UFOs would seem to me to be one of the least likely things that would happen. It seems to me they would be f*&#ing with the heads of state.

The NSA has everything every President, Senator, or Representative has said or done accessible to them through analytical software that makes their private lives as transparent as glass for how long? The data has existed for decades. The means to wring every possible correlation out of that data and map someone's life has been possible for a shorter time period. It does exist. It is the equivalent of real world sorcery. Some are saying the predictive power of the technology borders on fortune telling. It doesn't work like Person of Interest of course, but tell me that it isn't being used. The criminal misuse of this capability just goes without saying. However, if a foreign power from wherever were telepathically mucking with world leaders would the NSA's surveillance state detect it?

 

[enzo]

A technological elite whose goals transcend national interests who can manipulate politics on a global scale through the exclusive use of proprietary technologies seems to be an imminent threat unlike any that could be posed by an alien visitation.

"Sheer poetry!"