Timothy Good

[trainedobserver]

A technological elite whose goals transcend national interests who can manipulate politics on a global scale through the exclusive use of proprietary technologies seems to be an imminent threat unlike any that could be posed by an alien visitation."

"Sheer poetry!"

A dreary verse if that is the case. I think it's a terrifying prospect that's hard not to take seriously. When today's headlines read like a conspiracy conventions playbill, we have to wonder if its not already all over.

 

[enzo]

The intent of Art Bell type nonsense is to develop a vast psy ops in which spottings of advanced technology, conspiracy theories, whistle blowers, talk of underground bases, photos of surveillance drones and altra-media research and journalism is all considered "kooky." All lumped together in one Coast to Coast circus. Anything outside of the NBC newscast is "nutty." Whenever you are robbing a bank, the best and proven method is to create a 'diversion.'

 

[SRL+]

On one cheerier note, season’s greetings, and the very best of New Years, as it is this time of year, (customarily), to exercise charitability**.

In thinking of the many ways in which to interpret the interview with Mr. Good, I have drawn this conclusion:


UFO Cafe menu:

1. Charlatan

2."Pious fraud"

3. Hoaxer

4. True believer

5 .Mr. Good, not unlike the great salmon, who has traveled up Ufology’s mighty river in order to spawn, and in his golden years, is now attempting to cash in.

(4) True believer

As with the true believer, is cobbled anything, and everything which will aid in supporting their belief system. With very little, or without any supporting evidence, they may believe the space brothers are among them, lurking in the walls, or tip toeing down the halls. As they could believe the Anunnaki* (with implements in hand), will soon return, (as they had promised), in order to whittle down Aunt Betty’s bunion. And with that bunion is served up a generous portion of angst. In the meantime.., the true believer, (Aunt Betty), will be found, (at 3:00am), chanting ancient Sanskrit healing mantras in her attic, whilst hobbling on one foot, and in one hand clutching a copy of “ EARTH: An Alien Enterprise”, and in the other, the latest gold futures index. As the true believer teeters on the marshmallow of sanity, while lying beneath is a hot, frothy, chocolaty, mug of delusion, in which patiently awaits their arrival. Adding to this gastronomical nightmare is one or more of George Adamski’s green weenies, cooked up by Mr. Good, then having been slipped into this culinary catastrophe, and there you have it, dinner is served.

*Researcher (?), Bob Dean states it was the Anunnaki who met with govt. officials in 54’.

**It’s probably number 5.

 

[Sentry]

I'm following this conversation with interest, but have a tangent. I just happened to look back at the site for the 2013 The Center for UFO Research symposium. Mostly a serious collection of UAP researchers of the Leslie Kean variety:
Speakers | Center for UFO Research | Information on Unidentifiable Aerial Phenomena

Among them were a few odd choices, such as Timothy Good. Now, this particular event was seeking to be serious and they tried to keep the alien dolls an trinkets away. But they seemed to let the funky fringe in anyway in the choice of some of their speakers. I fully realize that the UFO field is part Circus sideshow, but this event was supposed to be science. I once thought Dr. Hynek and Jacques Vallee were being snobby by avoiding UFO conferences, but now I'm thinking they weren't going nearly far enough.

 

[Sentry]

UFO Cafe menu:

1. Charlatan

2. Fraud

3. Hoaxer

4. True believer

5 .Mr. Good, not unlike the great salmon, who has traveled up Ufology’s mighty river in order to spawn, and in his golden years, is now attempting to cash in.

Okay, but work this into your spectrum, it's not a term I like, but a very important concept:
pious fraud noun

• a deception intended to benefit those deceived, especially to strengthen religious belief.

The pious fraud thinks we just need a little help in order to believe and see the truth.

 

[SRL+]

Edward Gibbon would be proud of you, except for he's dead.

 

[Burnt State]

Bear in mind the goal is to use the UFO phenomenon and mythos as camouflage for secret terrestrial technologies. This does not mean that all UFO phenomena are the activities of this group but rather presupposes that “genuine” UFO activity actually exists and predates it. The manipulation of public opinion about UFOs being a large component, they seem to be using the carrot and the stick so to speak. They ridicule the notion while simultaneously feeding the machine (pop culture) perpetuating it. The key thing to remember is that its just camouflage being used to conceal something else.
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I believe the group belongs to the super or apex predators of society and are human beings. How old this group is and the extent of their technological advantage is unknown. I think it seems safe to say they are in possession of technologies indistinguishable from alien technology or perhaps even what the majority of the world would consider magic.
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Again, the UFO mythos is a tool and not the end goal. I think the goal is to maintain a level of technological advantage over the general population. I think the total surveillance state instituted and run by criminal gangs masquerading as legitimate governments seeks total control over the population.

In this scenario of the breakaway, or hidden civilization, I would have to ask why they would even bother to show any aspect of their tech to anyone ever. Some of the lightshow displays they put on are spectacular; some only appear in remote locations and to only a few individuals. I suppose that some of the more outlandish displays could belong to 'real aliens' whoever that might be, and that some of what we are witnessing is simply unavoidable exposure of a breakaway civilization in our midsts. If distracting us from their identity and hidden culture is a goal then this strategem is complicated and deserving of more thought re: consequences, history and outcomes.

The real wealth and power of the world we know, that core ultra wealthy 1%, has always tried to stay invisible and removed from common public affairs. For all intents and purposes they have broken away from society, are indifferent to the plights of the masses, and are able to consolidate their power through the corporate, surveillance state. Ther history is traceable & in an information age that 1% is increasingly open to scrutiny and public exposure.

Are you saying that beyond that multi-generational wealth there is another group of humans, whose possession of unique technology, has kept their culture, location and operations entirely hidden from mass society? In an age of environmental decay, mass surveillance and exploration, there are increasingly fewer places to hide, so this theory will either bear itself out through confrontation and conflict over territory, or prove to be empty.

Aside from those brief scenes in the sky, do you include any other aspects of the UFO phenomenon as part of this breakaway civilization i.e. abductions, contactee movements? The constant witnessing of tech just beyond our own is a common historical UFO theme and fits your theory. However, in those events, their is often a clear intention to be 'known' & to be seen - puzzling. Can you cite any other evidence of their appearance on earth historically?

 

[Richard Hawkins]

Now that I have had a week to calm down here is my problem with Timothy Good.A lot of ufo researchers make money out of ufology they write books do lecture tours etc etc but here is the difference. Tell a UFO story to Stanton Freedman or Richard Dolan or someone similar they will at least try to seek out ,phone,or in some way contact the reportee.Timothy Good gets stories sometimes third and fourth hand puts them in a book with no field research and claims to be an expert.My proplem is not that someone makes money out of ufology because it may be that is there only source of income and if they are putting in the groundwork that's fine.My problem is when people simply collect stories from others and then builds a career around it,because that dose a disservice to my intelact and to ufology.

 

[trainedobserver]

In this scenario of the breakaway, or hidden civilization, I would have to ask why they would even bother to show any aspect of their tech to anyone ever.

I think a lot of sightings are accidental. Some may be operational necessities that can't be avoided while others are planned for a specific audience, I don't know.

I don't think we can look at “them” as monolithic or contiguous. I see the possibility of two components. An older contingent that may be a “hidden civilization” that appears more indifferent to modern society than anything else. Then there is a the modern component that essentially apes the first exploiting the idea of their technology if not the technologies themselves.

Of course the older hidden civilization part isn't really necessary. If you view UFOs and aliens and the modern equivalent of the gods, then it only follows that there would arise a “priesthood” who would exploit the belief in them to further their own ambitions.

It seems that some organization possessed invisible and silent aircraft as early as the 70s and used them in environmental monitoring and biological warfare tests in the United States. That is if you believe Valdez. Making it look like UFOs were responsible diverted more serious inquiry and consideration. A case where a “show” furthered their goals.

Are you saying that beyond that multi-generational wealth there is another group of humans, whose possession of unique technology, has kept their culture, location and operations entirely hidden from mass society?

I think it may be more like Dolan's notion of a virtual “breakaway society.” The majority of people participating in the infrastructure are isolated from command and control and essentially work for “them” but live without any direct contact or knowledge of the controlling faction. They essentially work for them and live alongside the rest of us.

Aside from those brief scenes in the sky, do you include any other aspects of the UFO phenomenon as part of this breakaway civilization i.e. abductions, contactee movements? The constant witnessing of tech just beyond our own is a common historical UFO theme and fits your theory. However, in those events, their is often a clear intention to be 'known' & to be seen - puzzling.

If you listened to people like Karla Turner then you begin to think that someone is running mind control and social engineering experiments, perhaps merely testing the apparatus rather than using it for its ultimate purpose as a weapon of war, on select members of the civilian population.

The assumption that they do things sometimes to be seen could be tests, mistakes, or even showboating. I think the idea is to pass as something else. To be able to come and go and be discounted as a hallucination, an alien, or not seen at all or to use the notion of UFOs and aliens as a means of psychological or sociological warfare.

The fact that these technologies are not overtly used in war or in political maneuvering suggests that the "command and control" see themselves as outside of the traditional political landscape.

Disclaimer: All of this is me just talking through my hat of course. I know nothing for sure. I don't have any documents, photographs, or tall tales told by men in trench coats to suggest any of what I have said is true. This is just another UFO buffs hair brained theory.

Can you cite any other evidence of their appearance on earth historically?

I don't know. Its easy enough to thumb through Vallee's Wonders in the Skies and think that similar things have been happening in the skies and presumably on the ground, for a long time.

 

[enzo]

It's amazing that people wonder how a large craft can hover soundlessly. Ever hear of helium? The idea of large, triangular craft that can self inflate and then jet off in multiple vector directions is old technology. That triangle thing has been around for decades. The remarkable situation the Surveillance Society has created through psy ops like Art Bell and random sightings is that they can now operate in plain sight - being seen by hundreds of people at a time - and these sightings can then be set down as 'kooky.' That is a remarkable achievement. It doesn't even make the news. "What did you see?" "Well, a UFO I guess." Ok, sure. hahahahahahaha. What the SS wants is to take trillions of dollars off of you so that it can exist in a parallel utopian high-tech world apart from our problems. All it needs is a willing tax base and world drug money - and exclusive patents and corporate participation. And, they have a global police force - the CIA.

 

[trainedobserver]

...they can now operate in plain sight - being seen by hundreds of people at a time - and these sightings can then be set down as 'kooky.' That is a remarkable achievement. It doesn't even make the news. "What did you see?" "Well, a UFO I guess." Ok, sure. hahahahahahaha. ... And, they have a global police force - the CIA.

There you go. It doesn't matter what the technology actually is, just what it is perceived to be.

We've been using terms like CIA, NSA, and Intelligence community, but don't you think that the true command and control exists outside of any of these agencies and is higher on the organizational chart than say the NSA or CIA director?

 

[trainedobserver]

Here's another thing to throw in the mix. If telepathic aliens possessing technology boarding on the miraculous do exist and have been been visiting the Earth since time immemorial they could have, and most likely would have, penetrated human society at any level and to whatever extent they desired. If they wanted to "walk the halls of the Pentagon" and influence decision making they could. If they wanted to employ unwitting human agents to further their goals in either the political or technological arenas they could.

Is the hidden hand an alien one causing the human population to live in a perpetual state of war and industrial degradation of the environment for their own reasons? Or is it human greed, ignorance, and the need to dominate others overtaking humanities virtues and condemning us to a hell of our own making?

 

[enzo]

Great stuff:

We've been using terms like CIA, NSA, and Intelligence community, but don't you think that the true command and control exists outside of any of these agencies and is higher on the organizational chart than say the NSA or CIA director?

Absoultely. These agencies are being directed. By whom? We don't know. Certainly not the short-term political puppets who have all been bought and paid for.

I like your point about the human race being taken over long ago and directed by a malignant force. It sure seems that way. The scriptures call this force 'satan.' The Eastern religions take a slightly different version that I like better. They call it 'ego.'

 

[trainedobserver]

The Eastern religions take a slightly different version that I like better. They call it 'ego.'

Whatever you want to call it, it's still just the human condition. We are animals born of the Earth and slaves to the instincts and programming instilled in us by countless years of evolutionary processes whose only concern was the survival of the organism.

 

[enzo]

Yes.

 

[Burnt State]

I think a lot of sightings are accidental. Some may be operational necessities that can't be avoided while others are planned for a specific audience, I don't know.

I don't think we can look at “them” as monolithic or contiguous. I see the possibility of two components. An older contingent that may be a “hidden civilization” that appears more indifferent to modern society than anything else. Then there is a the modern component that essentially apes the first exploiting the idea of their technology if not the technologies themselves.

Of course the older hidden civilization part isn't really necessary. If you view UFOs and aliens and the modern equivalent of the gods, then it only follows that there would arise a “priesthood” who would exploit the belief in them to further their own ambitions.

Ok, so at this point in the post I started having H.P. Lovecraft hallucinations as what you are mapping out here fits a lot of his own omnibus and lore.

I think it may be more like Dolan's notion of a virtual “breakaway society.” The majority of people participating in the infrastructure are isolated from command and control and essentially work for “them” but live without any direct contact or knowledge of the controlling faction. They essentially work for them and live alongside the rest of us.

This is another way of describing the structure of consumer society.

If you listened to people like Karla Turner then you begin to think that someone is running mind control and social engineering experiments, perhaps merely testing the apparatus rather than using it for its ultimate purpose as a weapon of war, on select members of the civilian population.

Yes, those are one set of thoughts that I get from reading her. The other set belongs to the way I see Ufology when I'm being more critical and pragmatic: she's delusional and is a participant in the confabulation, invention and misquoting of UFO stories in order to misdirect the masses and keep the mythos alive. Some like Turner, may be unconscious actors truly believing their tales, while others like Good claim to be cynical about hybrid alien projects but then can go on for hours telling people what their sources have told them.

The assumption that they do things sometimes to be seen could be tests, mistakes, or even showboating. I think the idea is to pass as something else. To be able to come and go and be discounted as a hallucination, an alien, or not seen at all or to use the notion of UFOs and aliens as a means of psychological or sociological warfare.

The fact that these technologies are not overtly used in war or in political maneuvering suggests that the "command and control" see themselves as outside of the traditional political landscape.

This plays out as part Risk (the game of global domination) and part Magic Theatre (Hesse's Steppenwolf). I think that the borderline options you posted above regarding the alien hand playing out some kind of global simulation vs. us making our own hell returns us back to how we see ourselves operating in the world. Are we a part of it or apart from it? Inventing myth, metaphor, aliens and other monsters have helped to externalize a lot of our own machinations. It would be interesting to see human culture at work if we actually believed we were part of the planet.

These magical lights in the sky that call our names seem to have been with us for so long. Is the alien god just out of reach, are we hallucinating, or is there a real external agent operating outside of us? I think you've outlined a framework for the latter and in that paradigm we really do become quite insignificant. If we were to listen carefully to the alien voice there does seem to be some relentless prodding about how we have messed with the plane. We in turn simply point to somewhere outside ourselves and say simply, "It's what the shareholders expect."

Maybe we have simply turned ourselves into property?

 

[owlman]

Timothy Bad

 

[trainedobserver]

Maybe we have simply turned ourselves into property?

According to the "priesthood" that is all we have ever been. They convinced our ancestors that the gods appointed certain bloodlines to rule over us. They declared themselves the holders of cosmic wisdom accessible only to them. We are the property of the gods who speak exclusively through their mouths. Change the costume, alter the lingo, smack another spin on it, but its the same old song and dance. Control of limited resources for the perpetuation of a select group to the exclusion of others by any means necessary. The most excellent victory is the one gained without combat. The technological priesthood commands this century.

 

[Burnt State]

Timothy Bad

Only 3/4 through the episode but I'm very disappointed in how underinformed Good is up against the hosts re: Adamski, Cattle mutes etc.. This made for a bit of a downward slope as Good feels like he's more comfortable with talking to the Kool Aid crowd that to anyone in the know. It's so much easier to spin your story and wax on about whatever, when the audience is not up to speed. Cracks in Ufology become sinkholes when you're not putting in the same amount of effort as what got you into the game in the first place. Those menu options up above hold true, sadly.

 

[Flatwoods]

Now that I think about it, Tim Good did come off as if the whole alien-abduction hybrid story was something he had just discovered. Did he ever read Intruders by Budd Hopkins? I read that book in 1988. Was he familiar with David Jacobs work on this?

It reminded me of an ugly aspect to UFology from that era - mainly that there were lots of people claiming to be experts on the phenomenon that weren't paying any attention to what's others were doing in the field. There's less of that today with all the UFO conferences and symposiums and internet groups; authors and investigators get to meet more often. Tim Good seemed like a throwback to the pre-internet days. Given that, I enjoyed the interview anyway. At least he was a new guest.