UFO Impulsivity & Paranormal Phenomena

[mike]

I hope these are relevent, this show was on the TV last night about chaos theory

Discussion of mandelbrot sets in part 5

Fractals in part 6

 

[Ivette]

Thanks for sharing, indeed completely relevant to the thread. Ilustrated is so much simple to undertand. But in the same place the next trailer was about DMT, which they call the "Spiritual Molecule" but it is just another drug. I was coght up when most of the persons that were experimenting for the sake of science, coinside with the same visions of alliens. Very interesting, it reminded me of some part of SRL's hipotesis.

 

[SRL+]

Here's Jacques Vallee & his famous five reasons against the ETH hypothesis. He makes much more sense explaining his reasoning than I would. The body of the argument starts about 30 seconds into the clip.

One part of a magicians trick is to make the eye look at one hand, while the other hand is doing the trick.

And again in the animal kindom the use of a decoy is sometimes employed, the lizard that drops its tail, the squids ink, the bird that pops tantisingly in and out of view as it leads you away from its nest full of chicks.

Not saying thats the answer, but deliberate deception could also apply in this case

 

[SRL+]

Here is Stuart Hameroff who is an anaesthesiologist, and professor at University of Arizona. Here he and Deepak Chopra discuss where consciousness may reside, and possible mechanics.

Good post on the human reaction to the mind/brain issue. And there are some hypotheses out there that state that the "mind" is nothing more than tissues and chemical reactions on a very physical level. This debate, between the mind/brain, and western rationalism has been going on for hundreds of years.　 This is the bases for Pascal’s wager, and the famous statement "I think, therefore I am". In the end, we in our modern area are not coming up with any new ideas on this issue. While many neurologists are working on the hypothesis that consciousness is only a physical "thing", there are many others that are working with the view that the Mind is something separate from the brain. Lastly the Quantum effect has been tied into the mind function. Don't know if this idea will fly very far, but it is interesting reading.　 As far as the year 2030 for the singularity, I for one am dubious, but who knows? I try to look at both sides, and not rely on the local news sources.　 I know that it takes a bit more time. But try reading some published papers or at least the abstracts in order to get the real story about where we are at in the field of neuroscience.
　

 

[hak]

In my effort to experiment on my own consciousness, I've been reading the book Dream Telepathy some very interesting phenomenon has arisen that i did not know. Apparently it is not uncommon for a therapist and client to form a telepathic link. Clients will often provide dreams that pertain to the therapists situation.
The book states that...

"If the analyst is Freudian, the patient tends to dream in Freudian symbols; if the analyst is Jungian, the patient dreams in Jungian archetypal symbols; and as Ehrenwald suggests, if the analyst is interested in telepathy, the patient may comply with telepathic dreams. Thus the openness of the therapist to telepathy seems to be an important conditioning factor in the production of telepathic dreams in his patients. "

I'm glad we know where Bing got it's name from.. i was wondering why MS chose Bing.

 

[boomerang]

The only variable as things progress is the pitch of the tone. The patterns seem to self-organize.

 

[SRL+]

I like your analogy. In string theory (a subset of M-Theory), all of the strings are simlar other than the way in which they vibrate. I pulled this from NOVA's website.

"According to string theory, absolutely everything in the universe—all of the particles that make up matter and forces—is comprised of tiny vibrating fundamental strings. Moreover, every one of these strings is identical. The only difference between one string and another, whether it's a heavy particle that is part of an atom or a massless particle that carries light, is its resonant pattern, or how it vibrates.
All objects, not just fundamental strings, have resonant patterns associated with them. Pluck the string of a violin and you hear mainly one tone. This is the string's fundamental resonant pattern, or frequency. And the instrument's resonance doesn't stop there. The body of the violin has resonant frequencies, which work to amplify the sound created by the vibrating string. There's resonance in objects that aren't musical, too. Your desk has resonant frequencies, and so does a flagpole, and so does the Earth."

 

[softbeard]

Here is Stuart Hameroff who is an anaesthesiologist, and professor at University of Arizona. Here he and Deepak Chopra discuss where consciousness may reside, and possible mechanics.

Yes, I have read some of Stuart's papers (some co-authored with Roger Penrose, of Penrose-diagram fame). While I cannot vouch for the quantitative models that he presents of quantum superpositions occuring in neuron microtubules (the detailed analysis is a little beyond me), I think his theory is well argued and consistent with my own musings. It makes a lot of sense, at least to me, and it is consistent with the 'Copenhagen interpretation' of quantum mechanics. As I understand it, amongst other important ramifications, the 'Copenhagen interpretation' of quantum mechanics requires an observer in order for 'hard' reality to exist. Without a conscious observer, the universe, all its contents, and the positions of those contents in space-time are in quantum superposition. They exist as probability wave functions only, and are not real (as we know real). The main implication here is that matter and consciousness (the conscious observer) are entirely distinct. The further implication is (and here it really gets controversial) that this is essentially an argument for the existence of a conscious 'soul' which, in our case, inhabits our bodies (more or less; I won't get into out-of-body stuff here).
Stuart & Roger Penrose's papers go into some detail to try to show how the microtubules inside neurons, because of their internal geometries, could form ideal conditions for maintaining protein folds in quantum superposition for significant time periods (related to brain wave frequencies). In other words, they think the microtubules are performing quantum computing. The speculation is that consciousness, as we know it, begins to manifest itself when the quantum computing environment becomes sufficiently organized. The rest of the time, when we're asleep, or temporarily disabled, our conciousness disperses to other areas of the body (or outside of it?). It reforms when the quantum computing environment is sufficient to maintain it.
This is all a lot to take in, and there are a lot of other interesting implications, but it tackles questions like how, for example, are simple unicellular creatures like amoebas or paramecium able to exhibit seemingly conscious behaviour without a nervous system or brain.
Anyway, suffice to say, I like Stuart's theory.

 

[SRL+]

Here is Stuart in Brussels 2010. The talk is entitled "Do we have a quantum Soul?"

 

[softbeard]

Hah! The meaning of life as tought by an anaesthesiologist. I think Stuart has made a convert of me.

 

[SRL+]

That's what happens when you reach into your medical bag a thousand years into the future. I have posted Robert Lanza on this thread before in audio. Here is a newer version in video.