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I was thinking while reading the first post that Skeptical Inquirer could easily have been set up and established by the certain GOVT intelligence interests as an anti UFO dis-info PR rag.

But you think, if anything, it was established already and was possibly just infiltrated?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeptical_Inquirer: The magazine was originally titled The Zetetic and was founded and originally edited by Marcello Truzzi. The first issue was in the Fall of 1976.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-2>[3]</SUP> About a year later there was a dispute regarding the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal (CSICOP): Truzzi wanted to include proponents of paranormal ideas in the group and the magazine. Following a no-confidence vote against Truzzi, he resigned, and the magazine was (starting with volume 2, issue 2) retitled Skeptical Inquirer and Kendrick Frazier (former editor of Science News) became the new editor.

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Garath, In the last two posts I mentioned journalist Terry Hansen, author of the excellent book, The Missing Times: News Media Complicity in the UFO Cover-up, which authoritatively exposes the U.S. government's infiltration of the American elite media over the decades, for the purpose of covertly promoting officially-sanctioned propaganda on subjects ranging from communism to UFOs.Hanson has raised the possibility that CSICOP/CSI was indeed taken over, in effect, for just such a purpose. In his book, he further notes:

"CSICOP members typically publish their thoughts on UFOs and other 'paranormal' phenomena via Promethius Books, a closely related publishing house that also offers a surprising number of volumes on such topics as child-adult sexuality, prostitution, sadomachicism, and pornography. It would be interesting to know which titles sell better; those devoted to debunking UFOs and paranormal research, or those about sex. Perhaps it's worth pointing out at this point that cross-subsidizing unprofitable activities with profitable ones has been a hallmark of many covert intelligence operations."

Skeptical Inquirer's latest issue once again attempts to debunk the Big Sur UFO Incident, using the same sleight-of-hand tricks, distortions, and outright falsehoods about the case they trotted out in an earlier article in 1993. I am preparing a rebuttal and will notify this forum's members when it's posted. The title will be: "Kingston George's Latest Comments in Skeptical Inquirer on the Big Sur UFO: Deep Denial or Disinformation?"

The actual facts about Big Sur may be found on the ARTICLES page at my website.

--Robert Hastings
ufohastings.com
 
Thanks for reminding me.

The Missing Times: News Media Complicity in the UFO Cover-up... looks like a great book. Ill definitely be picking it up.
 
UFOs Sighted/Tracked Near Rocket and ICBM Test Launches​

The Big Sur UFO Incident (see my article at www.ufohastings.com) was not the only time a UFO was observed during an ICBM test launch. There is a long, documented history of incidents involving UFOs being sighted, and even tracked on radar, as they maneuvered near U.S. rockets and ICBMs during test launches. For example, in March 1950, a True magazine article written by U.S. Naval Commander Robert B. McLaughlin, a rocket specialist at White Sands Proving Ground, revealed that UFOs had been sighted at the highly secret base during at least two missile tests. Referring to one such case, he wrote,

This day [June 10, 1949] we were firing a Navy upper atmosphere missile. Shortly after its take-off, two small circular objects, guessed to be approximately 20 inches in diameter, appeared from no place and joined the Navy missile on its upward flight. (Similar small disks have also been previously reported as well as the larger types mentioned earlier.)<O:p

At about the time the Navy missile was doing well over 2,000 feet per second, the object on the west side passed through the exhaust gases and joined its friend on the east. They then apparently decided the missile was not going fast enough for them. They accelerated, passed the Navy missile and sailed off upward and eastward.

In addition to the striking similarities between this 1949 case and the Big Sur UFO Incident, some 15 years later, there is another commonality: According to an Office of Special Investigations (OSI) report in the declassified Project Blue Book files, the U.S. Army’s Public Information Officer (PIO) at White Sands, Captain Edward Detchemendy, had tried to suppress UFO sighting reports at the base and actually chastised McLaughlin, on July 6, 1949, after overhearing the U.S. Naval commander discussing a radar tracking of another UFO with an individual who had no need-to-know about it. According to veteran UFO researcher Richard Hall,McLaughlin was later punished by the Navy for writing the article—losing his job at White Sands and being shipped off to sea duty.<O:p></O:p>
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But the UFO incidents at White Sands in the late 1940s were not the last to be reported by those involved in military missile tests. In 1967, Major Donald E. Keyhoe (USMC Ret.), Director of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena, a respected UFO research organization, wrote,

“Consider another leak. In [NICAP’s] files is a photocopy of an official tracking log from Cape Canaveral (now Cape Kennedy</ST1:p), covering operations on January 10, 1961. A Polaris missile was fired that day. According to the log, the missile was on its way up when an ‘unidentifiable flying object’ came in over the range. The UFO was evidently so big and maneuvered so close to the Polaris that automatic tracking radar on the ground, set to follow the Polaris, locked onto the UFO by mistake. The UFO eventually flew out of the radar's ‘sight.’ It took trackers 14 minutes to find the Polaris again. Did you read about this in your paper? Certainly not.”<O:p></O:p>

Regarding this incident, NICAP’s Assistant Director at the time, Richard Hall, told me, “I remember the case well and personally handled—and read—the 1/2" thick technical report. [It] was sent to us by a member of the <ST1:place w:st="on">Cape</ST1:place> [Canaveral] NICAP Subcommittee, Robert M. Stevens, an engineer.”

So, here we have a UFO is tracked on radar, as it maneuvers very near an ascending nuclear missile during a test, but the facts only become known after they are leaked by someone with access to inside information. This still-classified event occurred only three years before the <ST1:place w:st="on">Big Sur</ST1:place> incident.<O:p></O:p>
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And then there is this case, involving a nuclear missile test launched from Vandenberg AFB, approximately 11 years after the Big Sur UFO Incident: On June 17, 1974, the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
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</st1:City>Hobart (<ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region></ST1:place>) Mercury carried the following news item, based on an article appearing the same day in The New York Times:<O:p></O:p>
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<ST1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">HUNTSVILLE</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Alabama</st1:State></ST1:place> – Experts at an Army missile base say they are puzzled about strange ‘ghost ships’ picked up by powerful radar scanner in the Pacific during a tracking exercise last summer.<O:p></O:p>
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There has been little official comment on what the scientists found during the exercise, but Major Dallas Van Hoose, an Army spokesman, confirmed recently that ‘some unexplained aerial phenomena’ were observed during the exercise last August [1973]. Scientists, many of whom are reluctant to be named in interviews because of general public skepticism over unidentified flying objects, say privately they have been unable to find any explanation for the ‘ghost ships.’<O:p></O:p>
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‘We have never seen anything precisely like this before,’ said one ballistic missile defense expert who works for an Army agency here and who is familiar with the advanced radar used to test missiles and warheads. <st1:City w:st="on">Huntsville</st1:City> houses the Army’s ballistic missile defense systems command which tests in the Kwajelein Atoll region of the <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Marshall</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Island</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Trust</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Territory</st1:PlaceType> held by the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">U.S.</ST1:place></st1:country-region> <O:p></O:p>
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Last August the Air Force launched a Minuteman ICBM from Vandenberg Air Force base aimed for the Kwajelein missile range which is used by the Army, Air Force, and Navy. The radar experts in the Pacific found they were also tracking an unidentified flying object next to the ICBM’s nose cone. Radar picked up a inverted saucer-shape object to the right and above the descending nose cone and watched it cross the warhead’s trajectory to a point which was below and to-the-left of it before the phantom ship disappeared. The ghost ship was described as being 10-feet high and 40-feet long. Two separate radar systems saw it at the same time which may eliminate the probability that there was a malfunction in one of the radar systems. It was also reported that 3 other identical objects were seen in the vicinity – the same size, shape, and dimensions. One scientist said the data indicated that the phantom ship ‘flew under its own power’ but cold not explain what sort of ‘power’ was involved.<O:p></O:p>
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So far none of the experts here believe the ghost ship was a natural phenomenon caused by freak weather conditions or echoes commonly seen on radar screens.
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So, apparently, the earlier incident at Vandenberg AFB described by both Jacobs and Mansmann, involving close-proximity UFO activity during an ICBM test launch, was not unique. Regarding the unnamed ballistic missile expert’s statement about never having seen “anything precisely like this before”, given that the 1964 Big Sur incident was immediately classified Top Secret—with only a handful of individuals knowing the facts—it would have been unknown to other military and civilian personnel conducting missile tests a decade later.
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<O:p</O:pResearcher Barry Greenwood later reprinted this newspaper story in his co-authored book, Clear Intent (later republished as The UFO Cover-up). He wrote, “When FOIA inquiries were filed with the Army, they denied having any records concerning the sighting. We were referred to Vandenberg AFB, <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:place w:st="on">California</ST1:place></st1:State>. Vandenberg responded that ‘in accordance with Air Force manual 12-50 which implements the Federal Records Act, the launch operations records for August 1973 have been destroyed.’ Note that it is not stated that the UFO tracking report was destroyed, only a very general statement is given that ‘launch operations records’ were destroyed. That [records of] such a mysterious event as this would not be kept somewhere for possible future use is incomprehensible. Yet this excuse is offered time and time again to deny access to records…”

--Robert Hastings
ufohastings.com

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i just came across this.

<CENTER>[SIZE=+1]Men in Grey[/SIZE]
</CENTER>[SIZE=+0]I was back at my desk enjoying the feeling of accomplishment from the Big Stir expedition when I was called by Major Mansmann, who asked me to come right away to his office at the Headquarters building. When I arrived, I found a movie projector set up in the office and a group of people waiting. Among these I recall two men in plain grey suits who spoke little and watched me intently as the lights were dimmed and the film played on a bright screen.[/SIZE]

from this link
http://www.nicap.org/bigsur2.htm

have i missed a reference ? what does "big stir" refer to, does anyone know ?
 
mike said:
i just came across this.

<CENTER>[SIZE=+1]Men in Grey[/SIZE]
</CENTER>[SIZE=+0]I was back at my desk enjoying the feeling of accomplishment from the Big Stir expedition when I was called by Major Mansmann, who asked me to come right away to his office at the Headquarters building. When I arrived, I found a movie projector set up in the office and a group of people waiting. Among these I recall two men in plain grey suits who spoke little and watched me intently as the lights were dimmed and the film played on a bright screen.[/SIZE]

from this link
http://www.nicap.org/bigsur2.htm

have i missed a reference ? what does "big stir" refer to, does anyone know ?
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it refers to a typo. Big SUR is what they are talking about.

Subject: The "UFO" Filming, Big Sur, California
September 1964; UFO or IFO?
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Thanks yes, but its not just one misplaced letter, normally typos happen when the key next to the one intended is pressed by mistake,the T and U are seperated by a Y, which would have been the letter i would have expected to see in a "typo" this in addition to an additional letter, has me intrigued.
 
mike said:
Thanks yes, but its not just one misplaced letter, normally typos happen when the key next to the one intended is pressed by mistake,the T and U are seperated by a Y, which would have been the letter i would have expected to see in a "typo" this in addition to an additional letter, has me intrigued.
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:eek:

i doubt it.
 
Hi Mike,

My interview on Coast to Coast AM is up at their website for an indefinite period. Check the archives if all else fails.

"Big Stir" just a typo, methinks.

Now, another excerpt from my book, UFOs and Nukes:

© Copyright 2008 Robert L. ffice:smarttags" /><ST1:place w:st="on"><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
><st1:City w:st=
</st1:City>Hastings</ST1:place>. All Rights Reserved.

UFOs Snooping on Our Airborne Missile Launch System?

Shortly after my first UFO-related article appeared in the September 2002 issue of the Association of Air Force Missileers Newsletter, I received the following email from Lt.Col. Frank Hale (USAF Ret.), in which he described his UFO sighting while serving with the 4th Airborne Command and Control Squadron, at Ellsworth AFB, South Dakota. At the time of the incident, Hale was aboard an Airborne Launch Control System (ALCS) aircraft. ALCS was designed to provide back-up for land-based ICBM launch systems, in the event that those systems were incapacitated following a Soviet nuclear attack.

According to globalsecurity.org, “The 44th Strategic Missile Wing (SMW) played a key role in establishing the Airborne Launch Control System in the late 1960s. On 1 January 1970, the 44th SMW assumed airborne launch responsibility for Minot Air Force Base, ND, and Malmstrom AFB, MT. Four months later, the ALCS joined the Post Attack Command and Control System forming the 4th Airborne Command and Control Squadron, which was assigned to the 28th Bombardment Wing at Ellsworth AFB, SD.”

Colonel Hale’s email follows verbatim:

Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 7:52 AM
Subject: Missileers and UFOs

Dear Mr. Hastings,

This correspondence is in response to your article in the AAFM Newsletter Volume 10, number 3.

My qualification as an ICBM launch officer began at Grand Forks AFB, North Dakota, in 1970. I was a crew commander there for a year and a half and then volunteered and was accepted for flying duty with the Airborne Launch Control System (ALCS) at Ellsworth AFB, South Dakota in October of 1971. My organization at Ellsworth AFB was the 4th Airborne Command & Control Squadron (4th ACCS).

The purpose of the 4th ACCS was to provide a survivable platform in the event of an attack on the USA's land ICBMs and also to provide command and control for bombers and tankers if required.
The sighting I was involved in took place in 1975, I believe. My flight logs are in storage, if I can locate them I'll forward the exact date to you.

We had completed our training mission and were returning to Ellsworth AFB. My duties were completed and I went forward to the cockpit. I was sitting in the “jumpseat” behind and between the pilot and copilot for the final approach and landing. The aircraft was heading west toward Ellsworth following a path roughly above Interstate 90.

When we were approximately 50 miles from the base, I looked to my right and saw a silver-colored globe going approximately the same speed as the aircraft. As I watched, it stopped, went straight up, then forward, and did other incredible maneuvers at extremely high speeds. It came back down to our level and remained in my visual field for another minute or so. It then flew at an incredible speed in a westward direction, toward Wyoming.
When we landed I didn't mention the sighting to anyone except my wife. I was under the Human Reliability Program and I didn't want to become suspect for what I saw.

I continued to be on flight status for most of the remainder of my career, the only exception being in my final job as Base Commander at RAF Greenham Common, England. I never saw anything similar to the sighting which I described above.

[Signed]

Frank Hale, Lt Col, USAF, Retired

I subsequently called Hale and asked a few basic questions regarding the UFO’s approximate size and distance from the aircraft. He replied, “The distance was probably a half-mile to a mile. I would say that it appeared slightly larger than a dime held at arm’s length. The object was in view from two to three minutes.”

I asked Hale to characterize what he saw. He replied emphatically, “It was a flying saucer!” I asked if the object was truly a sphere or, rather, had displayed a disc-shape at times, during its various maneuvers. He said, “It appeared as a silver globe. That’s about as much as I can remember. I was thinking, ‘What in the hell is that?!’ It was the damnest thing I’ve ever seen!”

I asked Hale if he was certain that the UFO was a technological device of some kind, under intelligent control. He responded, “It had to have been. The pilot and the co-pilot apparently didn’t see the object. They were flying the aircraft, concentrating on the final approach [to Ellsworth AFB]. The navigator was positioned further back and didn’t have a view out the cockpit windows. None of them commented on the object. I used to wear headphones on those missions and I couldn’t hear anyone commenting about the object at all, so I assume no one else saw it, and it probably wasn’t tracked on [the aircraft’s] radar.” Hale said he was certain that the UFO had been pacing and observing the airborne launch control aircraft. “Whoever was in it had to be looking us over. Otherwise it wouldn’t have been so close.”

I asked Hale if he had ever heard rumors from his squadron-mates, regarding similar incidents, but he responded that he hadn’t. I then asked if he, while flying aboard any ALCS aircraft at any time, had ever experienced unexplained communications interference or unexplained equipment issues, which would have impacted the aircraft’s ability to perform its mission. He replied, “No, I don’t recall anything like that. The radio operators in the back of the aircraft had monitors that would have displayed any [electronic anomalies], and they would have told me.”

I asked Hale if he had been aware of any UFO activity at RAF Greenham Common, while he was base commander there from mid-1987 to mid-1988, but he replied “No”. That joint Anglo/American installation deployed nuclear-capable USAF F-111 fighter-bombers during those years. The nuclear cruise missiles that would have been carried by those aircraft in time of war were kept at the base’s Weapons Storage Area.

--Robert Hastings
ufohastings.com
 
Thanks Mate,
i appreciate the feedback, i wondered if "big stir" was intentional in reference to the reaction of the men who took scissors to the footage, and that i had missed a reference somewhere that pointed to that possibility.



i will check out your interview as im keen to hear it, but last i checked the site wanted me to register first.


as always the case historys you present are as fascinating as they are detailed, keep up the good work

Thanks Again

mike
 
"Hi Garath" ? Again?

How many times have you got his 6 letter name wrong now, Mr Hastings ?

Typical of your laughable "scholarship" and general accuracy.
It seems once you've got an wrong idea fixed in your head you ignore reality, no matter that Gareth has posted his name many times.
One would think you'd pay slightly more attention to someone who seems to follow every post of yours with a "thanks".
 
TheHelix said:
"Hi Garath" ? Again?

How many times have you got his 6 letter name wrong now, Mr Hastings ?

Typical of your laughable "scholarship" and general accuracy.
It seems once you've got an wrong idea fixed in your head you ignore reality, no matter that Gareth has posted his name many times.
One would think you'd pay slightly more attention to someone who seems to follow every post of yours with a "thanks".
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sorry to be 'picky', but in english, we only use the indefinite article 'an' when the following word begins with either a vowel or a silent 'h' - we never use it before the word 'wrong' (and by silent 'h', i mean in words such as ... hotel - as opposed to words such as ... hypocrite - get it?)
 
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