UFOs and the spiritual angle

[Martina]

I have sent you a private message about it.

 

[tyder001]

Well I'm pretty sure it was a Chupracarbra! they are shape shifters and can alter themselves to "look" like a craft when they want to.

Seriously, you come on here and "bash" spritual definitons yet you get "offended" if somebody takes you to task. Your "sighting" is no more legitimate than and maybe less so than an abductee or even a big foot sighting. You said you "saw" something. I beleive you more than likely did. But understand that even "spiritual" folks have feelings when they put their "experience" out there. Angel is a skeptic (although a polite one) and there are athiest and Christians and agnostics and Buiddist and New Agers on this board. You will be challenged here. But, except for a sense of humor (which I honestly don't mean to be mean about) I try to treat everyone with respect. After all not the most hardened skeptic or the most soft hearted believer has ever convinced me to change my mind. I'm very skeptical about life on other planets visiting here. But, I'll listen.

 

[Martina]

Well I'm pretty sure it was a Chupracarbra! they are shape shifters and can alter themselves to "look" like a craft when they want to.

Seriously, you come on here and "bash" spritual definitons yet you get "offended" if somebody takes you to task.

If you want to believe that Nancy Leider is channeling messages from grays on Zeta Reticuli who will only talk to her out of all the people on the planet, and pay her money to tell you what they are saying and ask them questions please do be my guest. I know a con when I see it.

As for the rest of your flame:

I'm truly sorry if life is not going well for you, and I sincerely *hope* you have a better day tomorrow

 

[tyder001]

If you want to believe that Nancy Leider is channeling messages from grays on Zeta Reticuli who will only talk to her out of all the people on the planet, and pay her money to tell you what they are saying and ask them questions please do be my guest. I know a con when I see it.

As for the rest of your flame:

I'm truly sorry if life is not going well for you, and I sincerely *hope* you have a better day tomorrow

So you just pull a name out of your azz and call me a flamer? I don't think I ever said I believed in whoever the person you named is. I simply made a reply to a post. You really will be frustrated here if you don't develop a little more thickness to your skin than that. Lets start over if you will.

I think a spritual take on life and everything else is legitimate. That does not mean I think everybody who puts out a book or makes a spritual claim is sane or correct. Anymore than a physcal claim. So, with "respect" I disagree with your generalizations.

 

[Martina]

Gosh, that didn't sound "respectful all. Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[tyder001]

Gosh, that didn't sound "respectful all. Welcome to my ignore list.

Respect is a two way street! As for your ignore list? Well, I'd like to thank the academy and all the ships at sea!

 

[CapnG]

Martina- Welcome to the forum. Angel's a good enough guy when you talk to him, he's just a hard edged skeptic. What's important to remember is that a) he wasn't there and didn't see what you saw and b) his opinion doesn't actually affect you, your credibility or the reality of your sighting, it's just an opinion.

Angel- Yes, memories can fade, become distorted or confused over time. That does not mean however that they automatically do. As a simple test, I suggest you remember some thoroughly mundane event from your own past and consider the clarity of the recall. You don't need to "share it with the class" of course, this is purely a mental excercise.

 

[Martina]

Hey Capn, thanks for thew welcome. Sure memories can fade, but not that one. That one really got my attention, and was pretty far removed from mundane. I don't remember what we had for dinner that night, but I'll never get the image of that object out of my mind. It's as clear right now as it was when I saw it.

 

[CapnG]

Hey Capn, thanks for thew welcome. Sure memories can fade, but not that one. That one really got my attention, and was pretty far removed from mundane. I don't remember what we had for dinner that night, but I'll never get the image of that object out of my mind. It's as clear right now as it was when I saw it.

My own experience parallels yours. The skeptics will never accept it but the reality is you don't forget this stuff, you just don't. It becomes part of you, engrained, permanent and undeniable, like you grew an extra finger or something.

 

[Martina]

Ya know I also note that the most credible witnesses suddenly become much less credible when what they witnessed was a UFO. Pilots, policemen, military officers, high ranking political figures, etc. We have all seen that over and over, so I'm not surprised to have someone imply here that my memory of the event is somehow faulty.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

CapnG thanks for your insight, and I totally understand that. I was not implying that it was the case for Martina though, it was only an idea that I put forth. I never said it was the correct one. Exploring all avenues is always important. I always maintain that there is always the probability that I'm wrong.
I didn't expect that kind of reaction though, and it's not the response I wanted at all.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

Sorry Martina but you will have to get used to it. The "sceptical" types like Angelo will always demand solid, hard, physical, scientific evidence before they believe that anything "paranormal" has happened to you or anyone else. Personal experience and anecdotal evidence will just not cut it with them. It matters not that there is literally reams of anecdotal evidence out there, they just don't consider it proof.

With memory, i agree with the good Capn' on that one. Some memories may fade significantly due to time but I believe that ones that induce some kind of traumatic experience in the eyes of the beholder create a more lasting or permanent memory. Such as maybe a UFO sighting.
I remember seeing someone getting killed at a fairground on a ride when i was 13. I still vividly remember the bystanders and ride attendents covered in blood and the blood that covered my arm and shirt and i was standing some 30- 40 feet away from the ride. I still remember the screams and the smell of the blood.

 

[Martina]

Sorry Martina but you will have to get used to it. The "sceptical" types like Angelo will always demand solid, hard, physical, scientific evidence before they believe that anything "paranormal" has happened to you or anyone else. Personal experience and anecdotal evidence will just not cut it with them. It matters not that there is literally reams of anecdotal evidence out there, they just don't consider it proof.

Ah, then he's skeptical because I didn't fly the object over to his house and knock on the door. Now I understand.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

Ah, then he's skeptical because I didn't fly the object over to his house and knock on the door. Now I understand.

Welcome to the forums. Now you're getting it!!!

 

[dyingsun]

If she feels inclined to, she will I guess, other then that, Angelo asked the right questions.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Sorry Martina but you will have to get used to it. The "sceptical" types like Angelo will always demand solid, hard, physical, scientific evidence before they believe that anything "paranormal" has happened to you or anyone else. Personal experience and anecdotal evidence will just not cut it with them. It matters not that there is literally reams of anecdotal evidence out there, they just don't consider it proof.

With memory, i agree with the good Capn' on that one. Some memories may fade significantly due to time but I believe that ones that induce some kind of traumatic experience in the eyes of the beholder create a more lasting or permanent memory. Such as maybe a UFO sighting.
I remember seeing someone getting killed at a fairground on a ride when i was 13. I still vividly remember the bystanders and ride attendents covered in blood and the blood that covered my arm and shirt and i was standing some 30- 40 feet away from the ride. I still remember the screams and the smell of the blood.

Sorry, but did you even read what I wrote? I was not asking for any evidence of any kind. All I did was suggest that it is possible that 43 year old memories can be clouded. Of course I can be wrong - I just suggested it.
Please read what I wrote, I would appreciate it. If you think I was out of line after that, then no problem.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

Yeah i don't think that Angelo did any thing wrong in his posts. I just think that Martina was unprepared for his "sceptical" outlook.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Yeah i don't think that Angelo did any thing wrong in his posts. I just think that Martina was unprepared for his "sceptical" outlook.

Thanks Phil, I appreciate it. I have been trying my best lately

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[The Pair of Cats]

Sorry, but did you even read what I wrote? I was not asking for any evidence of any kind. All I did was suggest that it is possible that 43 year old memories can be clouded. Of course I can be wrong - I just suggested it.
Please read what I wrote, I would appreciate it. If you think I was out of line after that, then no problem.

Well did you read what i wrote!!???
And yes i did read what you wrote. As far as the memory thing goes I don't entirely agree with you (surprise, surprise) as I have indicated in my previous post.

If you noticed, I had split my post into 2 sections. The first part explaining to Martina that you and others on theses forums have a very hard nosed, sceptical view point on people who present anecdotal evidence, as she had no doubt discovered during the series of posts in this thread.
I never said that you were asking for evidence of any kind in regards to her story rather that you generally discount evidence unless it is backed up by hard scientific data.
The 2nd part had to do with memory recall, in general and in that case I disagree, slightly, with you.

As i have said in the previous post I don't think you had written anything wrong in your initial post in the thread. I just think that Martina was not used to your style.

PS. I had not received your reply when i wrote this. Thus i have changed "the first part" to "previous" in regards to posts.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Well did you read what i wrote!!???
And yes i did read what you wrote. As far as the memory thing goes I don't entirely agree with you (surprise, surprise) as I have indicated in my post.

If you noticed, I had split my post into 2 sections. The first part explaining to Martina that you and others on theses forums have a very hard nosed, sceptical view point on people who present anecdotal evidence, as she had no doubt discovered during the series of posts in this thread.
I never said that you were asking for evidence of any kind in regards to her story rather that you generally discount evidence unless it is backed up by hard scientific data.
The 2nd part had to do with memory recall, in general and in that case I disagree, slightly with you.

As i have said in the previous post I don't think you had written anything wrong in your initial post in the thread. I just think that Martina was not used to your style.

PS. I had not received your reply when i wrote this. Thus i have changed "the first part" to "previous" in regards to posts.

Yes yes, of couse I read it, and you make fair points. I didn't disagree with you. I only suggested the whole memory thing - memories can fade. In this case, Martina says that she remembers it vividly and I have no problem with that. I never said I did in any of my posts in this thread.

Let's chalk up the crossing of posts to the time difference since you're in the future.