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Why is Global Warming a Hoax??

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Another important point. ...So, where is all this alarming melt water going?

Unless the ice is resting on a land mass, you won't notice any change in the sea level. Ice that floats has already displaced its weight in the ocean, and whether melted or solid, the displacement remains the same.

Now, if Antarctic ice starts melting, we are in for some changes in the ocean levels...:shy:
 
The group that stands to profit from the lie. It's not hard to figure out. All you have to do is look at who is sponsoring all the so called science that props up the lie. They stand to make the most money from modifying the behavior of the people of this planet.

Just because you believe the lie, doesn't mean you're right.
 
Wrong. If this were true, ice wouldn't float. I recall learning this in junior high -- ice is less dense than water.

Okay, I will double-check, but last time I looked, ice melting did not make the level of water in my glass rise to any noticeable degree.

why do I doubt myself????

4 ice cubes in a measuring cup, and water added to the one cup mark.... microwave for 2 minutes, ice cubes melt, water still at one-cup mark.

DISPLACEMENT means what? floating objects displace as much water as they weigh, ergo, the water level does not rise if the ice was already in the water....
 
All you have to do is look at who is sponsoring all the so called science that props up the lie. They stand to make the most money from modifying the behavior of the people of this planet.

Wait a second, are you talking about the AGW deniers or the AGW believers? Your statement could be read either way.
 
Here are a couple of articles made by Michael Crichton, author of Andromeda Strain, Jurassic Park, and Fear, which is on Global Warming. Sadly, he passed away last year.

http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-environmentalismaseligion.html

http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-alienscauseglobalwarming.html

The second one is titled: 'Aliens Cause Global Warming' -- right up our alley!

just finished reading his first speech, and he does what he accuses others of doing, by being emphatic about some things. he stated second-hand smoke does NOT harm anyone. Since I experience some issues with second-hand smoke myself, as does hubby, I call him on that.
Saying he could prove all his definitive statements but it would take time and trouble and be a long-winded discourse, bothers me.

ANYONE who uses absolute statements without major proof offered that is verifiable and easily accessed, proven to be genuine, bothers me.

Crichton was a very intelligent man, and he wrote some awesome novels. He was not what I consider an authority on the environment to the extent he could make pronouncements without having proofs alongside those pronouncements.

I do get what he means about environmentalism as a religion, though, and the need for humans to have that idea of religion. But for all I know, he could have read Joseph W. Campbell, too! :D
 
The group that stands to profit from the lie. It's not hard to figure out. All you have to do is look at who is sponsoring all the so called science that props up the lie. They stand to make the most money from modifying the behavior of the people of this planet.

Just because you believe the lie, doesn't mean you're right.

So, .... Exxon??
 
So, every fucking communist front that pays the way for all the environmentalist group?

Please. Exxon makes money when there's a shortage of oil refineries. The Environmentalists make it difficult for people to live, and produce goods and services, because of Government Encroachment.

You've obviously never read Mein Kampf, or the Communist Manifesto. Both books are great sources for what is happening in today's modern world.
 
So, whenever science weighs on on anything environmental, then it is shit. Right??

Because energy companies seem to be the ones funding any kind of research suggesting otherwise. Are you saying they have nothing to gain?? I'm not even saying that is neccessarily true, but you seem to think whenever we would need to take action against a potential threat, then it is bullshit.

What about the ozone layer?? What about the dust bowls?? We had to take action in those areas because of our actions did we not?
 
second speech was less 'certain' and more logical. He made several very good points regarding a consensus as opposed to scientific investigation, and I agree we are in danger of losing the objectivity of science, if we have not already.
one hundred years from now, I believe people will think us ignorant and filled with silly taboos and superstitions about science facts they accept as normally as you or I accept there is sunshine.
Really harsh words about Sagan, though. But, if he is correct, then Sagan was also guilty of wanting to be accepted by his peers, too.

thanks for the links, Schuyler.
 
heres an example

http://www.cascadegreen.com.au/how-are-we-green.aspx

take a look at all the "measures" they have taken , these are things any responsible company should be doing, and they should reduce the cost of the product.

but of course this brand is much more expensive than the regular brands.

all the things the company says it did should have reduced its operating costs..... so why the green premium on the product ?

as ive said ,i have a mate in advertising and he will make the same pitch to a client, take these measures and you will lower your operating costs, and at the same time we can use the "green" aspect to sell at a premium price, and capture a larger market share by appealing to everyones "save the planet" sense.

from my mates pov, the global warming debate, is a free advertising/public awareness campaign, that they can use to make money
 
global warming, bird flu, water shortages, food shortages, meteorites

So some or all of these issues aren't real? Why? What is your scientific evidence for saying so?

Let me just come clean here. I don't have an environmental agenda. I live a comfortable middle class lifestyle, and I don't know how much of it I'm willing to give up in order to combat global warming.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here because I see a lot of very definitive statements here about how AGW is a lie, but nothing to back it up except: ITS A COMMIE CONSPIRACY!
 
It is amazing.

I have been, on and off, an environmental campaigner for more than 20 years, mostly against nukes, GMOs, and pollution in general. It was very difficult to gain any kind of traction, for decades. I remember people laughing straight in my face when confronted with the issues, as if guys like me were crazed fanatics.

How that has changed. Since the mass media has started to bombard us with all kinds of environmental scare stories - global warming, bird flu, water shortages, food shortages, meteorites, and so on, these days, EVERYBODY is just soooooooooo concerned about the environment! Now the same sort of people who never gave a fuck, want to lecture me back how important the environment is! HA!

I have come to conclusion that it is possible to brainwash all people, all the time, into believing just about anything.

You have to do your own research, and draw your own conclusions from it. Don't blindly follow "authorities".
 
It is amazing.

I have been, on and off, an environmental campaigner for more than 20 years, mostly against nukes, GMOs, and pollution in general. It was very difficult to gain any kind of traction, for decades. I remember people laughing straight in my face when confronted with the issues, as if guys like me were crazed fanatics.

How that has changed. Since the mass media has started to bombard us with all kinds of environmental scare stories - global warming, bird flu, water shortages, food shortages, meteorites, and so on, these days, EVERYBODY is just soooooooooo concerned about the environment! Now the same sort of people who never gave a fuck, want to lecture me back how important the environment is! HA!
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So, now it should be right up your alley.
 
So, now it should be right up your alley.

Not really.

For decades, the mass media has lulled us into a sleep state, with regard to the environment. Everything was supposed to be fine and dandy.

What I'm observing now is that the environmental movement has been highjacked by governments and corporations, in order to sucker us into some kind of eco-fascist New World Order. Just alone the thought of taxing the farting of livestock reflects INSANITY. Animals and people have been farting for millennia, and IT WAS OK. The planet did not die, the sky didn't fall.

I'll tell you what we need to do:

#1 Get rid of the banking elite that's bankrupting our economies.

#2 Introduce sustainable, i.e. organic farming methods around the world.

Failing to deliver on those two points, we will go down the plug whole, I have no doubt.
 
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