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Consciousness and the Paranormal — Part 6

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Obviously the CIA has access to your website. Whilst trying to read the latest postings, the writing went into small font. When I was purposely irradiated in the illegal atmospheric experiment, my eyes were attacked, and since blurred and cannot read small writing. Obviously the smart arses at the CIA believe in scare tactics. No other reason for the situation to occur is there?
 
Well, the font size and the site are unchanged for several years. If you see something different, and a screen shot would be welcomed, we can see what's what. But it may be an issue with your online connection.
 
Obviously the CIA has access to your website. Whilst trying to read the latest postings, the writing went into small font. When I was purposely irradiated in the illegal atmospheric experiment, my eyes were attacked, and since blurred and cannot read small writing. Obviously the smart arses at the CIA believe in scare tactics. No other reason for the situation to occur is there?
I'm not trying to make light of this individual's readily apparent difficulties, but his/her postings underline the approach that some of us have taken to consciousness: namely that consciousness is a phenomenal and conceptual narrative-model generated by the organism of itself in the world that serves the function of assisting it in navigating the world.

Note: Our narrative-models are incomplete and often outright incorrect.
 
Gallagher, S. (in press). On the possibility of naturalizing phenomenology. In D. Zahavi. Oxford Handbook of Contemporary Phenomenology. Oxford: Oxford University Press.

Extract:

". . . the introduction of phenomenology into cognitive science has critically challenged the basic assumptions of cognitive science, including computationalism, and indeed the very concepts of nature and naturalism, and has moved cognitive science towards a view that is more consistent with the views of Husserl and Merleau-Ponty on intentionality, intersubjectvity, action, and embodiment (see Gallagher and Varela 2003; Thompson 2007; Varela, Thompson and Rosch 1991). Beyond Husserl, others in the phenomenological tradition followed this same path, carrying phenomenology to broader application, and integrating the natural sciences of consciousness and behavior into their considerations. Gurwitsch, Sartre and MerleauPonty, for example, are philosophers who pursue what could be generally called phenomenological psychology. Gurwitsch appeals to Gestalt psychology, animal studies, and developmental psychology to support the proper phenomenological characterization of various experiences. For example, if we want to provide a phenomenological description of how we go about solving a problem in the real world, or how, in that context, a certain object can take on the meaning of a tool, we can benefit from something that Gestalt theorists have described very well: a perceptual reorganization involving the “restructuring of the given situation, the regrouping of the facts of which it is composed” (Gurwitsch 2009, 246). It is only by attending to such reorganizations and reformations of structures that proper phenomenological accounts of such experiences can be developed. Gurwitsch further finds evidence in developmental studies that our primary perception of the world is an enactive and pragmatic one where things have their meaning in terms of how we can use them (2009, 250). Accordingly, a proper phenomenology of perception needs to take into consideration this full pragmatic meaning of perceptual experience.

In his phenomenological examination of the imagination Sartre draws from empirical psychology. He refers us to Flach’s experiments on images associated with presented words, and he offers a reinterpretation of Flach’s experiments to work out distinctions between symbols and images (e.g., 2004, 107ff). He considers the views of Binet and the Würzburg psychologists on the relation of image and thought, suggesting, in contrast to Binet, that the image has a sense and may play a role in thought (2004, p. 108). In Being and Nothingness, too, Sartre makes use of naturalistic psychological studies to inform his phenomenology.

Merleau-Ponty is well known for his integration of phenomenology, psychology, and neurology. In Phenomenology of Perception, for example, he makes extensive use of the experimental literature and case studies. In lecture courses at the Sorbonne in 1950- 52 (under the title “Human Sciences and Phenomenology”) he discusses a “convergence” of phenomenology and psychology, explicating various misunderstandings on both sides of this relationship (2010, p. 317). He takes Sartre’s analysis of imagination as a good example of how phenomenological (eidetic) analysis can be integrated with psychology, and shows how eidetic (imaginative) variation works in a correlative way with scientific inductive procedures. Like Gurwitsch and Sartre, Merleau-Ponty appeals to psychology (Goldstein’s distinction between centered and decentered behavior, and Koffka’s Gestalt psychology) as a possible guide for phenomenological insight, suggesting that “the distinction between phenomenology and psychology must not be presented as a rigid distinction” (2010, 329) – without, of course, denying the distinction.
Indeed, we can find in psychology itself (specifically in Koffka’s distinction between geographical and behavioral environments) a useful way, not only to think of the difference between thirdperson naturalistic accounts, and first-person phenomenological accounts, but to understand why a full third-person (geographical) account (an account as if from nowhere) is impossible.

Following Gurwitsch, Merleau-Ponty rejects the constancy hypothesis (the idea that there is a point-to-point correspondence between stimulus and perception), not by offering an independent phenomenological analysis, but by citing experimental work within psychology itself (see 2010, p. 347). Merleau-Ponty’s conclusion is consistent, not only with earlier phenomenological distinctions in Heidegger between Zuhandenheit and Vorhandenheit, but also with more recent naturalistic distinctions, between pragmatic and semantic functions of perception (Jeannerod 1997). Accordingly, these distinctions are correlatively phenomenological and psychological, and they provide supporting evidence for enactive accounts of perception that draw from both phenomenology and natural science.

What we see in each of these cases is, to use Merleau-Ponty’s term, a convergence of phenomenology and the natural sciences of psychology and/or neuroscience. This is more than a convergence of results. That is, the convergence is not simply that phenomenology and psychology have reached the same conclusions about specific topics.

Indeed, in some cases, there is a critical distance between the view defended by phenomenology and the received view of psychological science. Rather, the convergence pertains to how phenomenology is put to use in the research fields of psychology and neuroscience. It’s a convergence on a methodological plane. Moreover, the convergence does not signify a change in the definition of phenomenology. Nor is it a threat to transcendental phenomenology. The transcendental project remains as its own phenomenological project. What we find in Husserl’s concept of a phenomenological psychology, however, and in the work of Gurwitsch, Sartre, and Merleau-Ponty, is a certain pragmatic application of phenomenological method. Accordingly, these theorists have already provided a positive response to the question of whether phenomenology can be naturalized.

How can phenomenology be naturalized?

Turning now to the second question, addressing precisely how phenomenology can be naturalized, several answers have already been proposed in the recent literature. In this regard I will briefly summarize three general proposals without providing anything close to the full critical discussion that each one deserves. I’ll then turn to a more extended discussion of specific examples of where phenomenology has been playing a role in natural science accounts of the mind. . . ."

http://www.ummoss.org/gall12NatPhen.pdf
 
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Arkady Plotnitsky, author of the The Knowable and the Unknowable and many preceding books, recognizes that the issue is not simply the 'naturalizing of phenomenology' but more fundamentally the phenomenalizing of our understanding of nature. Here is an extract from a review of The Knowable and the Unknowable and a link to the whole review following the extract.

Extracted from
Gullivers, Lilliputians, and the Root of Two Cultures
Claudia Brodsky Lacour
(c) 2003
PMC 14.1

Review of:
Arkady Plotnitsky, The Knowable and the Unknowable: Modern Science,
Nonclassical Thought, and the "Two Cultures." Ann Arbor: U of Michigan
P, 2002.


"8. The interpretive antagonisms and contradictions composing the progress of
science were taken to another power--squared, or contradicted as contradictions
themselves--when Bohr proposed that, at the atomic level, experimental results
that appeared mutually exclusive should be considered "complementary." In The
Knowable and the Unknowable, as in his earlier Complementarity: Anti-Epistemology
after Bohr and Derrida, Plotnitsky follows Bohr to the heart of the "logical
contradiction" (66) that is the consequence and insight of quantum physics,
namely, that our only empirical means for knowing "quantum objects" (67)
destructure that knowledge even as they structure it, linking the known (for
example, the "particle" or "wave" appearances of light) directly to the unknowable
(how and why such dual appearances indeed take place and pertain to a single
phenomenon). The conjunction of quantum objects and their science yields a kind of
knowledge that is neither the antithesis of ignorance nor its cancellation and
replacement, but its necessary while never observably continuous complement.
Plotnitsky's elucidating summary and discussion of the "double-slit
experiment"--by which particles such as electrons or photons passing through
screens with slits in them produce or do not produce a wave-like pattern depending
on whether a detector of their movements, external to the movements themselves, is
used in the experiment (61-66)--makes this paradox of empirical, experimental, or
contingently objective knowledge clear:

'if [...] there are counters or other devices that would allow us to check through
which slit particles pass (indeed even merely setting up the apparatus in a way
that such a knowledge would in principle be possible would suffice), the
interference pattern inevitably disappears. In other words, an appearance of this
pattern irreducibly entails the lack of knowledge as to through which slit
particles pass. Thus, ironically (such ironies are characteristic of or even
define quantum mechanics), the irreducible lack of knowledge, the impossibility of
knowing, is in fact associated with the appearance of a pattern and, hence, with a
higher rather than a lower degree of order, as would be the case in, say,
classical statistical physics. (64)'



9. Particles which seem to know more about our behavior (whether we've set up a
detector or not) than we do about theirs (how do they "know that both slits are
open, or conversely that counters are installed, and modify their behavior
accordingly?" [66]) present, at very least, a "situation [...] equivalent to
uncertainty relations" (64), if not a necessary suspension of logical and causal
assertions of any classical kind. Yet Bohr's Copernican shift consisted in viewing
differently not the fact of these antagonistic results, but rather the way in
which we view their (mutually exclusive) factuality. It is not what we see but how
we think of what we are seeing, the way in which we define and understand a
quantum object--as a thing with certain attributes in itself or a "whole"
constituted of experimentally conditioned, individual, phenomenal "effects"--that
Bohr's view changes. Quantum mechanics--on Bohr's "interpretation"
(68-69)--requires, in the first place, a different mode of interpretation, and
Bohr's name for that different view of what quantum evidence means is
"complementary." As Bohr describes it in the "Discussion with Einstein":

'evidence obtained under different experimental conditions cannot be comprehended
within a single picture, but must be regarded as complementary in the sense that
only the totality of the [observable] phenomena [produces the data that] exhausts
the possible information about the [quantum] objects [themselves]. (70)'



10. While originating in a predicament produced by physical experiments (set up as
means of clarification), Bohr's loosening of the logician's double bind is
conceptual in kind. As Plotnitsky observes, the introduction of the term
"complementary" with regard to quantum mechanics enacts an epistemological shift
from "objectivity" to "effectivity," based upon, rather than stymied by, mutually
exclusive, experimental results:

'thus, on the one hand, quantum objects are (or, again, are idealized as)
irreducibly inaccessible to us, are beyond any reach (including again as objects);
and in this sense there is irreducible rupture, discontinuity, arguably the only
quantum-physical dis continuity in Bohr's epistemology. On the other hand, they
are irreducibly indissociable, inseparable, indivisible from their interaction
with measuring instruments and the effects this interaction produces. This
situation may seem in turn paradoxical. It is not, however, once one accepts
Bohr's nonclassical epistemology, according to which the ultimate nature of the
efficacity of quantum effects, including their "peculiar individuality," is both
reciprocal (that is, indissociable from its effects) and is outside any knowledge
or conception, continuity and discontinuity among them [...] Thus Bohr's concept
of the indivisibility or (the term is used interchangeably) the wholeness of
phenomena allows him both to avoid the contradiction between indivisibility and
discontinuity (along with other paradoxes of quantum physics) and to reestablish
atomicity at the level of phenomena. (70-71)'



11. Like discourse, one could say, the effectivity of atomic objects is dependent
but unlimited, contingent upon the interrelated experiments of which it is a
result rather than derivative of the object in itself. Like rhetoric as such,
rather than the specific rhetorical notion of the symbol or symbolon, according to
which image and idea match, puzzle-like, to compose a single, concretely
expressive meaning, Bohr's interpretation and use of the term "complementary" do
not signify an integral meshing of categorically distinct entities. The "aspects"
or "characteristics" of atomic "phenomena" are what we "know"--in Bohr's
nontraditional phenomenological sense--but those aspects are derivative of the
different experiments to and by which atomic objects are exposed (in rhetorical
terms, these would be the different formulations or linguistic experiments that
make evident different aspects of discourse, such as figure, noun, sign, or,
following Saussure--surely, the Bohr of language study--signifier). A notion of
the complementary that is not, or is only temporarily, contingently, closed, is,
Plotnitsky points out, "peculiar" (74). Yet such peculiar language use may indeed
be exactly appropriate to Bohr's epistemology. For, like the nonsynthetic
relations it describes, the name of Bohr's interpretive breakthrough breaks the
mold--the mold of the commensurate and thus traditionally "complementary" parts of
a whole symbolized in rhetoric by the notion of the symbol, the equation and union
of two as one. Bohr's notion of "complementarity" instead fractures a delimited
object of investigation, normally identified through a series of equations, into
experimental "phenomena" whose perceptibility consists in a series of differing
effects. Furthermore, this fracturing occurs without limits or deducible
patterns--any pattern ceases in the presence of a "counter" designed to discern
its objectivity. Nor does Bohr's notion of complementarity suggest a shift in
objective representation from the organic or living portrait, no part of which may
be inconsequentially removed, to a more schematic outline or constellation, whose
absent parts or interstices can be supplied by the mind. Bohr's self-consciously
rhetorical, or "novel," formulation of complementarity instead spells out a
thoroughly anti-representational logic by which "different experimental
arrangements," rather than cohering in any visualizable manner, bring about
visibly mutually exclusive results:

'within the scope of classical physics, all characteristic properties of a given
object can in principle be ascertained by a single experimental arrangement,
although in practice various arrangements are often convenient for the study of
different aspects of the phenomena. In fact, data obtained in such a way simply
supplement each other and can be combined into a consistent picture of the
behavior of the object under investigation. In quantum physics, however, evidence
about atomic objects obtained by different experimental arrangements exhibits a
novel kind of complementary relationship. Indeed, it must be recognized that such
evidence, which appears contradictory when combination into a single picture is
attempted, exhausts all conceivable knowledge about the object. Far from
restricting our efforts to put questions to nature in the form of experiments, the
notion of complementarity simply characterizes the answers we can receive by such
inquiry, whenever the interaction between the measuring instruments and the
objects forms an integral part of the phenomena.
' (qtd in Plotnitsky 74)


12. Like a war which is not one, in that, one-sided, it opposes without measure, a
"complementarity" which is not one, in that it represents (or in Bohr's words,
"characterizes") the unrepresentable, that which cannot both be and be measured
(or known) in "a single picture," recalls, Plotnitsky argues, the irreducible
incommensurability that arose along with the first mathematical means for knowing
the world, geometry. Perhaps the unilateral assault conducted in the "Science
Wars" on a grossly incommensurate object should simply be called, in squarely
traditional fashion, "irrational," the negative name given to the algebraic
discovery of the immeasurable in geometry. Contradicting contradiction, we may
view the true root of the evil signaled by a "war" waged against its own fictional
pretext not as the neat opposition of one against one but rather as the original
and unsettling complementary relationship that is the base of one with or plus
one, an essential and irreducibly intricate twoness like that of mathematics
itself under the aspects of algebra and geometry.


13. For the irrational arose not in opposition to but from within the basic
framework of rationality. Exposed to a certain "experimental arrangement," it was
discovered, the simplest act of calculation results in an imponderable relation.
The most fundamental equation defining physical reality (a_ + b_ = c_), when
solved for its simplest values (a=1, b=1) yields, as one of its characteristics,
an immeasurable quantity (c= 2). The root or base number of one with or plus one
should represent, in a single picture, an indivisible unity of two. Derivative of
that unity as such, more fundamental than the external operation of addition, the
common root of two does indeed present "a single picture:" a finite line--the
diagonal--delimited by a regular geometric figure. An extension defined by other
extensions that together describe a self-containing figure is an entity
independent of traditionally symbolic, let alone "novel" complementary relations.
Its reality is self-evident, but with an insurmountable hitch: the measure, or
mathematical identity, of that reality cannot be figured. Moreover, the necessity
of such unattainable knowledge is as pragmatic as it is epistemological.
Plotnitsky states its centrality plainly--"one needs it if one wants to know the
length of the diagonal of a square"--before explaining how such a novel, or
immeasurable, "mathematical object," the irrational ratio, came about:

'this is how the Greeks discovered it, or rather its geometrical equivalent. If the
length of the side is 1, the length of the diagonal is 2. I would not be able to
say--nobody would--what its exact numerical value is. It does not have an exact
numerical value in the way rational numbers do: that is, it cannot be exactly
represented (only approximated) by a finite, or an infinite periodical, decimal
fraction and, accordingly, by a regular fraction--by a ratio of two whole numbers.
It is what is called an "irrational number," and it was the first, or one of the
first, of such numbers--or (they would not see it as a number) mathematical
objects--discovered by the Greeks, specifically by the Pythagoreans. The discovery
is sometimes attributed to Plato's friend and pupil Theaetetus, although earlier
figures are also mentioned. It was an extraordinary and, at the time, shocking
discovery--both a great glory and a great problem, almost a scandal, of Greek
mathematics. The diagonal and the side of a square were mathematically proven to
be mathematically incommensurable, their "ratio" irrational. The very term
"irrational"--both alogon (outside logos) and arreton (incomprehensible) were
used--was at the time of its discovery also used in its direct sense. (117-18)' . . . . .

http://pmc.iath.virginia.edu/text-only/issue.903/14.1lacour.txt

See also:

https://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/0472097970-fm.pdf



 
Well... I think you are all on a copout here.
According to @Constance there is no language that objectifies existential phenomenological experience... there is no language for the feel of existence (something like that anyway).
So "feel" is something beyond any kind of categorisation, definition, classification, language of analysis or description etc.
So, how are you all going to recognise any explanation of 'feel'.
It seems to me @smcder that you want to think that 'feel' is not qualitative. I might be wrong on that... either way, to think of feel as not qualitative is a very interesting proposition; to think of feel as qualitative is even more interesting: I'm not too bothered either way.
incidentally @smcder you said,
"it seems @Pharoah believes consciousness is fundamental" #743
When I replied,
"I don't say consciousness is fundamental. Good grief"
you replied,
"I didn't say you said consciousness is fundamental ..." #747
Strictly speaking, I suppose, believing and saying are two different things.

@Soupie and @smcder:
"I know I am missing something, but nothing in the above explanation tells me why "qualitatively relevant" has to feel like anything. All of the above could happen without there being anyone home, so to speak."
I am glad you are paying attention. Nothing in the explanation does say why qualitative relevance has a feel.
So two questions feed on from this:
What is qualitative relevance, or what are examples of qualitative relevance?
What is required to take qualitative relevance to 'feel'?
If there is no language that can explore these questions then I (at least) can give up now. If there is a language, you need to explore it... So, I am going to leave you two to figure out some answers to these questions, because I too have had enough of explaining it. I think this explain–understand relationship is not working because you are not thinking for yourselves creatively: you are thinking "why should it?" instead of "how could it?". I suppose what I am saying is that it is a lot harder understanding something if you don't believe in it. Furthermore, I don't think there is anything fundamentally incoherent in or incompetent about my explanations; After a lifetime of insecurities, I'm finally moving on from that sentiment.
I do appreciate all your efforts and encouragement but I need a break atm.

incidentally @smcder you said,
"it seems @Pharoah believes consciousness is fundamental" #743
When I replied,
"I don't say consciousness is fundamental. Good grief"
you replied,
"I didn't say you said consciousness is fundamental ..." #747
Strictly speaking, I suppose, believing and saying are two different things.


Yes, I looked at that several times and couldn't get it sorted as to what I was thinking at the time.

Furthermore, I don't think there is anything fundamentally incoherent in or incompetent about my explanations; After a lifetime of insecurities, I'm finally moving on from that sentiment.

good! :-)
 
When will you hear if your paper is accepted?
@smcder
Ah The Monist:
I sent it to Luciano Fioridi "The Advisory Editor" for this call for papers on information. Bearing in mind that the call came two years ago and I have been working on this for about 18 months. Anyway, his reply, "Unfortunately, the special issue has been cancelled, due to my commitments."
Moan!!
So I've sent it to AJP, who will definitely reject it... but you never know... their reviewer might also have a bad day and accidentally miss the bin and throw it in the accept out tray.
Erkenntnis have been looking at my other 'objective—subjective' paper for four months now. That's one month more than their average...
For what it is worth one of my mantras is, "Never underestimate incompetence"... the other is "be patient; be strong"
 
And I've been wanting to pass this along too:

Durham Emergence Project

"The Durham Emergence Project (DEP) is an interdisciplinary research initiative involving collaboration between philosophers and physicists, made possible through the generous support of the John Templeton Foundation.

Emergence, or dependent novelty, is of increasing interest to scientists and philosophers as a way of characterising relationships between complex entities and their parts, relationships between the sciences, and the place of the mind in the physical world. The aim of the project is to build on recent scientific and philosophical research, including recent mathematical methods in condensed matter physics, powers theories in the metaphysics of causation, and recent analyses of intertheory relations in the philosophy of science, to advance understanding of the possibility and plausibility of strong emergence."

One of the members of this "project" wrote the following recently:

Imagining zombies | OUPblog
 
Recently published:
Seven Brief Lessons on Physics (Hardcover)
by Carlo Rovelli


An amazon.com review:

A beautiful and poignant meditation on the laws of physics and our place in the cosmos
By Ash Jogalekar on February 23, 2016

"Every once in a while it's a good idea to stand back from the daily necessities of our lives and look back and marvel at what we as human beings have accomplished in our understanding of ourselves and our universe. In very few instances is this wonder more apparent than in an appreciation of the discoveries that physics has made regarding space and time.

In this short and highly readable book, Italian physicist Carlo Rovelli leads us through a tour of what he thinks are seven of the foremost ideas (or "lessons') in physics. These are ideas which have not just furthered our understanding of our material world but which have also expanded our consciousness and connected us to our origins and future. Rovelli’s writing is often poignant and beautiful, simple and without frills and from the heart, and I would be lying if I said the experience wasn't uplifting. Personally I would have included an extra eighth lesson on chaos theory and complexity since I think those are going to be key scientific issues in the 21st century. Also, there is little new per se in here which would not be familiar to physics aficionados. But as it stands Rovelli's offering is a marvelous feast which should ignite a renewed sense of inspiration regarding the reach and beauty of science even in hardened veterans.

The first lesson is about Einstein's general theory of relativity which saw yet another towering validation this year with the discovery of gravitational waves. The Russian physicist Lev Landau called it the "most beautiful theory" and I would say there would be few contenders for that title. The basic equation of the theory fits on a napkin, and the essentials of the framework are both startling and elegant. As Rovelli explains, Einstein's major breakthrough was to realize that Newton's gravitational field is not a field at all but is spacetime itself. That one insight suddenly elevated all of physics to a completely new level and it opened up previously unimaginable vistas - black holes, neutron stars, radio astronomy, the Big Bang - to deep exploration. Here's Rovelli on the essential craziness of Einstein's equation: "Within this equation there is a teeming universe. And here the magical richness of the theory opens up into a phantasmagorical succession of predictions that resemble the delirious ravings of a madman, but which have all turned out to be true."

The second lesson concerns the other big revolution of twentieth century physics - quantum mechanics. Relativity is astonishing but its basic tenets are easy to understand. In contrast, even the basic tenets of quantum theory - wave particle duality, entanglement, the uncertainty principle - have left even the theory's great founders befuddled. Quantum mechanics is unique in the history of science as a theory which is spectacularly successful in its practical applications while at the same time continuing to be virtually impenetrable in its philosophical implications. It opened up vast new areas of modern life to understanding; without it computers, chemistry, electronics and molecular biology would be inconceivable. And yet the sheer weirdness of its laws continues to defy every commonsense expectation. Rovelli zeroes in on one of the essential qualities of quantum mechanics when he says that its laws "do not describe what happens to a physical system but only how one physical system affects another". I find it interesting that the same interactions which lie at the heart of quantum theory also underlie the science of emergent complex systems like the weather, the stock market, biochemical networks and social networks.

The third chapter talks about the Big Bang theory and the architecture of the cosmos. Rovelli wrote just before the discovery of gravitational waves otherwise he would have included them in his discussion but he talks about many other wonders revealed by Einstein's theory combined with many of the tools of modern physics such as radio telescopes and particle detectors. The culmination of applying relativity to the universe must surely be the discovery of the accelerated expansion of the universe, although the presence of what we call "dark matter" leaves something to be desired.

The fourth lesson tells us how the findings of quantum mechanics led to an explosion of understanding of the building blocks of the cosmos in the postwar years. Quarks and electrons, Higgs bosons and neutrinos all make important appearances in this story. The culmination of all this progress was the Standard Model of particle physics, essentially a kind of periodic table which lists all known particles and their properties. And yet unlike general relativity the Standard Model is incomplete. Many of the particles' parameters are poorly understood, and the model itself is incompatible with general relativity. In addition there are ugly infinities arising in the theoretical treatment of all those particles which have to be tamed by artificially imposed mathematical order. These deficiencies make the Standard Model very much of a model. It is in the Standard Model that we start to glimpse the first troubling signs of how much more we have to discover in fundamental physics. But in trouble lies opportunity and glory, and in one sense the Standard Model only points to the bounty of undiscovered delights which must surely lie ahead.

The fifth lesson tackles one of the greatest scientific facing science, the marriage of general relativity with quantum mechanics; a marriage which as of now seems to end in violent, unholy divorce every time we attempt it. Interestingly there is not a word about string theory, probably because Rovelli himself works on a rival theory called loop quantum gravity. There is a capsule description of the theory which emphasizes again the fact that the framework is less about objects themselves and more about their interconnections. In this case the connections are between tiny quanta of space - which are themselves space.

The sixth lesson takes us on a journey into one of the most exciting frontiers of modern physics: the union of thermodynamics, quantum mechanics and relativity. This union is wondrous and critical because it can help us understand perhaps the deepest question we can ponder: the fact that time seems to flow only in one direction. As Rovelli explains, the arrow of time seems to be inextricably linked with the flow of heat. The second law of thermodynamics and its postulated increase of entropy tracks with the forward arrow of time, although on an individual particle level this arrow is reversible. Figuring out these conundrums of time and thermodynamics will undoubtedly take us into some very novel territory. In this context Stephen Hawking's discovery of radiation emanating from black holes is surely a promising springboard. Time, thermodynamics, quantum mechanics, relativity, statistics; it's all here, and it's all tantalizing.

The seventh lesson ties it all up together as Rovelli talks about the ultimate entity that allows us to figure all this out - the human brain. He ponders the delectable paradox that an entity which is composed of particles and fields and quanta can also decipher its own mysteries. Understanding this self-recursive extrapolation should keep us occupied for as long into the future as we can imagine, and it's also what should make us cherish our unique existence as sentient beings on this planet. And yet, as unique as we are, Rovelli reminds us in closing that our lowly origins from elemental life forms and the ordinariness of our planet, our solar system and our galaxy should not blind us to what might be the greatest lesson of all: humility and wonder.

'Here, on the edge of what we know, in contact with the ocean of the unknown, shines the mystery and the beauty of the world. And it's breathtaking.'"
 
Max Velmans just recently uploaded and old paper to Acadamie.edu. I have come to really appreciate Velmans approach to POM. For example, his outline of the problem of perception is excellent:

Are we out of our minds?

"We experience physical objects as being out in the world, not in our heads or brains. Although we might accept that there are neural causes, neural correlates and neural representations of those perceived objects in our brains, we do not experience them as being in our brains. This is deeply puzzling, and has been a source of debate for philosophers and scientists for around 2,500 years. As William James (1904) put it “..the whole philosophy of perception from Democritus's time downwards has been just one long wrangle over the paradox that what is evidently one reality should be in two places at once, both in outer space and in a person's mind”.

At first glance, one might not notice what the fuss is about, given that a common, naïve realist way of dealing with this paradox is to assume that what we see out in space is the object itself and that we have an additional, veridical experience of that object in our brains. Why is this form of realism naïve?

Firstly, because science tells us that the perceived colour, shape, location in phenomenal space and other visual features of an object are just surface representations of what the object is like, constructed by our visual systems. A microscope is all that is needed to convince one that these surface appearances are not all there is to an object. These surface appearances are also very different to the descriptions of the deeper structure of those objects and the space in which they are embedded given by physics, for example by relativity theory and quantum mechanics. So, although we normally think of the perceived object as the “physical object” it is nevertheless how that object looks to us, and not how it is in itself.

Similarly, although we normally think of the 3D phenomenal space in which the perceived object is embedded as “physical space”, it too is how space looks to us rather than space itself. Note that it follows from this that while perceived objects are in one sense “physical” they are in another sense “psychological” (they are appearances constructed by our visual systems).

Secondly, we don’t have any experience of the object in our brains in addition to the object as perceived out in the world. The perceived objects are what we experience—and in terms of their phenomenology, an object as perceived and our experience of the object are one and the same. When looking at this print, for example, the print that one sees out here on the page is the only “print experience” that one has. So naïve realism is wrong in two ways—it is neither consistent with third person science, nor first person experience.

How then are we to make sense of the fact that objects seem to be “out there” while our brains and what they contain are, so to speak, “over here”?"
However, when discussing the "intromissive" approach in this paper, ie, the phenomenal internalism approach, I found his logic to completely break apart. I've read and re-read this next section multiple times and I am stumped. Whether you agree with the intromissive/phenomenal internalism approach or not, what do you think of Velmans' logic here? I'm hoping @smcder or anyone else willing can help me out.

"By contrast, Revonsuo, Lehar and Gray adopt an intromissive form of biological naturalism, arguing that the entire 3D phenomenal world, stretching to the horizon and the dome of the sky, is a form of virtual reality that is literally located inside the brain. For them, this ultimately reduces the problems of consciousness to problems of neurophysiology—a reduction that Lehar claims to be more “scientific” than the notion of perceptual projection. However, Lehar (2003) also points out that biological naturalism forces one into a surprising conclusion: if the phenomenal world is inside the brain, the real skull must be outside the phenomenal world (the former and the latter are logically equivalent).

Let me be clear: if one accepts that:

a) The phenomenal world appears to have spatial extension to the perceived horizon
and dome of the sky.

b) The phenomenal world is literally inside the brain.

It follows that

c) The real skull (as opposed to the phenomenal skull) is beyond the perceived horizon and dome of the sky.

Although Lehar accepts this conclusion, he admits that this consequence of biological naturalism is “incredible”. I agree, and, in my view, this casts an entirely different light on the so-called ‘scientific’ status of biological naturalism and the so-called ‘unscientific’ status of perceptual projection (in the reflexive model). Decide for yourself. Put your hands on your head. Is that the real skull that you feel, located more or less where it seems to be? If that makes sense, the reflexive model makes sense. Or is that just a phenomenal skull inside your brain, with your real skull beyond the dome of the sky? If the latter seems absurd, biological naturalism is absurd."​

As noted, I think Velmans' logic here is completely wrong. I think the issue is he use of both "phenomenal" and "perceived." Keep in mind that just above, Velmans wrote:

"The perceived objects are what we experience—and in terms of their phenomenology, an object as perceived and our experience of the object are one and the same."

So, if I am reading that correctly, in the context of this paper at least, perceived reality and phenomenal reality are equal and are distinct from real reality.

So when Velmans says:

"Put your hands on your head. Is that the real skull that you feel, located more or less where it seems to be? If that makes sense, the reflexive model makes sense. Or is that just a phenomenal skull inside your brain, with your real skull beyond the dome of the sky? If the latter seems absurd, biological naturalism is absurd."

I want to make two points that I think are tripping Velmans up here (but I want to hear @smcder thoughts).

(1) Is that the real skull that you feel, located more or less where it seems to be?

The point that Velmans so beautifully articulated is that our perception/experience of the world is generated in the brain and "projected" or mapped onto the real world. Without this projecting or mapping, we would not experience the real world, but, importantly, the real world would still exist.

So in this case, the real skull would still be there, but we would have no experience of the real skull. The real skull and the experienced skull, as Velmans articulated so wonderfully, are distinct.

Ex: Phantom limbs: Some people are missing their right arm (real world), but they still experience having and using a right arm (phenomenal world).

Ex. Some people have legs (real world), but due to spinal injury, they do not experience having and using their legs (phenomenal world).

However, can we assume that the real skull is in the same location as the experience/phenomenal skull? Sure. But, as in the two examples above, experienced/phenomenal reality does not always align with real reality.

(2) Or is that just a phenomenal skull inside your brain, with your real skull beyond the dome of the sky?

Okay, this is where Velmans' logic really breaks down. He seems to lose the thread of the argument here. There is nothing logically inconsistent about the above statement. (It certainly goes against our experiences and intuitions, but it is not illogical.)

If the entire phenomenal/experiential world is inside the brain (see phantom limb ex above) then is follows that the phenomenal skull and phenomenal "dome of the sky" are as well.

The argument is not that the real "dome of the sky" is inside the real skull. The argument is that the phenomenal "dome of the sky" and the phenomenal skull are both inside the real skull.

One may reject this phenomenal internalist approach to experience, but there is nothing illogical about it. Also, based on how Velmans' beautifully outlined the problem of perception, I don't understand why he thinks this is "absurd."

He himself acknowledges that experience is generated in the brain and is projected onto reality.

I think there is something about his argument that I am missing. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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In this case the connections are between tiny quanta of space - which are themselves space.
Coupled with the recent and long-time-coming confirmation of gravity waves, I'm hopeful that the standard model and GR can final be united via superfluid vacuum theory. IE particles in the standard model don't just exist in spacetime, they are constituted of spacetime.

Thanks for sharing.
 
@Constance - Velman's argument sounds familiar ... ?

Max Velmans just recently uploaded and old paper to Acadamie.edu. I have come to really appreciate Velmans approach to POM. For example, his outline of the problem of perception is excellent:

Are we out of our minds?

"We experience physical objects as being out in the world, not in our heads or brains. Although we might accept that there are neural causes, neural correlates and neural representations of those perceived objects in our brains, we do not experience them as being in our brains. This is deeply puzzling, and has been a source of debate for philosophers and scientists for around 2,500 years. As William James (1904) put it “..the whole philosophy of perception from Democritus's time downwards has been just one long wrangle over the paradox that what is evidently one reality should be in two places at once, both in outer space and in a person's mind”.

At first glance, one might not notice what the fuss is about, given that a common, naïve realist way of dealing with this paradox is to assume that what we see out in space is the object itself and that we have an additional, veridical experience of that object in our brains. Why is this form of realism naïve?

Firstly, because science tells us that the perceived colour, shape, location in phenomenal space and other visual features of an object are just surface representations of what the object is like, constructed by our visual systems. A microscope is all that is needed to convince one that these surface appearances are not all there is to an object. These surface appearances are also very different to the descriptions of the deeper structure of those objects and the space in which they are embedded given by physics, for example by relativity theory and quantum mechanics. So, although we normally think of the perceived object as the “physical object” it is nevertheless how that object looks to us, and not how it is in itself.

Similarly, although we normally think of the 3D phenomenal space in which the perceived object is embedded as “physical space”, it too is how space looks to us rather than space itself. Note that it follows from this that while perceived objects are in one sense “physical” they are in another sense “psychological” (they are appearances constructed by our visual systems).

Secondly, we don’t have any experience of the object in our brains in addition to the object as perceived out in the world. The perceived objects are what we experience—and in terms of their phenomenology, an object as perceived and our experience of the object are one and the same. When looking at this print, for example, the print that one sees out here on the page is the only “print experience” that one has. So naïve realism is wrong in two ways—it is neither consistent with third person science, nor first person experience.

How then are we to make sense of the fact that objects seem to be “out there” while our brains and what they contain are, so to speak, “over here”?"
However, when discussing the "intromissive" approach in this paper, ie, the phenomenal internalism approach, I found his logic to completely break apart. I've read and re-read this next section multiple times and I am stumped. Whether you agree with the intromissive/phenomenal internalism approach or not, what do you think of Velmans' logic here? I'm hoping @smcder or anyone else willing can help me out.

"By contrast, Revonsuo, Lehar and Gray adopt an intromissive form of biological naturalism, arguing that the entire 3D phenomenal world, stretching to the horizon and the dome of the sky, is a form of virtual reality that is literally located inside the brain. For them, this ultimately reduces the problems of consciousness to problems of neurophysiology—a reduction that Lehar claims to be more “scientific” than the notion of perceptual projection. However, Lehar (2003) also points out that biological naturalism forces one into a surprising conclusion: if the phenomenal world is inside the brain, the real skull must be outside the phenomenal world (the former and the latter are logically equivalent).

Let me be clear: if one accepts that:

a) The phenomenal world appears to have spatial extension to the perceived horizon
and dome of the sky.

b) The phenomenal world is literally inside the brain.

It follows that

c) The real skull (as opposed to the phenomenal skull) is beyond the perceived horizon and dome of the sky.

Although Lehar accepts this conclusion, he admits that this consequence of biological naturalism is “incredible”. I agree, and, in my view, this casts an entirely different light on the so-called ‘scientific’ status of biological naturalism and the so-called ‘unscientific’ status of perceptual projection (in the reflexive model). Decide for yourself. Put your hands on your head. Is that the real skull that you feel, located more or less where it seems to be? If that makes sense, the reflexive model makes sense. Or is that just a phenomenal skull inside your brain, with your real skull beyond the dome of the sky? If the latter seems absurd, biological naturalism is absurd."​

As noted, I think Velmans' logic here is completely wrong. I think the issue is he use of both "phenomenal" and "perceived." Keep in mind that just above, Velmans wrote:

"The perceived objects are what we experience—and in terms of their phenomenology, an object as perceived and our experience of the object are one and the same."

So, if I am reading that correctly, in the context of this paper at least, perceived reality and phenomenal reality are equal and are distinct from real reality.

So when Velmans says:

"Put your hands on your head. Is that the real skull that you feel, located more or less where it seems to be? If that makes sense, the reflexive model makes sense. Or is that just a phenomenal skull inside your brain, with your real skull beyond the dome of the sky? If the latter seems absurd, biological naturalism is absurd."

I want to make two points that I think are tripping Velmans up here (but I want to hear @smcder thoughts).

(1) Is that the real skull that you feel, located more or less where it seems to be?

The point that Velmans so beautifully articulated is that our perception/experience of the world is generated in the brain and "projected" or mapped onto the real world. Without this projecting or mapping, we would not experience the real world, but, importantly, the real world would still exist.

So in this case, the real skull would still be there, but we would have no experience of the real skull. The real skull and the experienced skull, as Velmans articulated so wonderfully, are distinct.

Ex: Phantom limbs: Some people are missing their right arm (real world), but they still experience having and using a right arm (phenomenal world).

Ex. Some people have legs (real world), but due to spinal injury, they do not experience having and using their legs (phenomenal world).

However, can we assume that the real skull is in the same location as the experience/phenomenal skull? Sure. But, as in the two examples above, experienced/phenomenal reality does not always align with real reality.

(2) Or is that just a phenomenal skull inside your brain, with your real skull beyond the dome of the sky?

Okay, this is where Velmans' logic really breaks down. He seems to lose the thread of the argument here. There is nothing logically inconsistent about the above statement. (It certainly goes against our experiences and intuitions, but it is not illogical.)

If the entire phenomenal/experiential world is inside the brain (see phantom limb ex above) then is follows that the phenomenal skull and phenomenal "dome of the sky" are as well.

The argument is not that the real "dome of the sky" is inside the real skull. The argument is that the phenomenal "dome of the sky" and the phenomenal skull are both inside the real skull.

One may reject this phenomenal internalist approach to experience, but there is nothing illogical about it. Also, based on how Velmans' beautifully outlined the problem of perception, I don't understand why he thinks this is "absurd."

He himself acknowledges that experience is generated in the brain and is projected onto reality.

I think there is something about his argument that I am missing. Any help would be appreciated.
 
Max Velmans just recently uploaded and old paper to Acadamie.edu. I have come to really appreciate Velmans approach to POM. For example, his outline of the problem of perception is excellent:

Are we out of our minds?

"We experience physical objects as being out in the world, not in our heads or brains. Although we might accept that there are neural causes, neural correlates and neural representations of those perceived objects in our brains, we do not experience them as being in our brains. This is deeply puzzling, and has been a source of debate for philosophers and scientists for around 2,500 years. As William James (1904) put it “..the whole philosophy of perception from Democritus's time downwards has been just one long wrangle over the paradox that what is evidently one reality should be in two places at once, both in outer space and in a person's mind”.

At first glance, one might not notice what the fuss is about, given that a common, naïve realist way of dealing with this paradox is to assume that what we see out in space is the object itself and that we have an additional, veridical experience of that object in our brains. Why is this form of realism naïve?

Firstly, because science tells us that the perceived colour, shape, location in phenomenal space and other visual features of an object are just surface representations of what the object is like, constructed by our visual systems. A microscope is all that is needed to convince one that these surface appearances are not all there is to an object. These surface appearances are also very different to the descriptions of the deeper structure of those objects and the space in which they are embedded given by physics, for example by relativity theory and quantum mechanics. So, although we normally think of the perceived object as the “physical object” it is nevertheless how that object looks to us, and not how it is in itself.

Similarly, although we normally think of the 3D phenomenal space in which the perceived object is embedded as “physical space”, it too is how space looks to us rather than space itself. Note that it follows from this that while perceived objects are in one sense “physical” they are in another sense “psychological” (they are appearances constructed by our visual systems).

Secondly, we don’t have any experience of the object in our brains in addition to the object as perceived out in the world. The perceived objects are what we experience—and in terms of their phenomenology, an object as perceived and our experience of the object are one and the same. When looking at this print, for example, the print that one sees out here on the page is the only “print experience” that one has. So naïve realism is wrong in two ways—it is neither consistent with third person science, nor first person experience.

How then are we to make sense of the fact that objects seem to be “out there” while our brains and what they contain are, so to speak, “over here”?"
However, when discussing the "intromissive" approach in this paper, ie, the phenomenal internalism approach, I found his logic to completely break apart. I've read and re-read this next section multiple times and I am stumped. Whether you agree with the intromissive/phenomenal internalism approach or not, what do you think of Velmans' logic here? I'm hoping @smcder or anyone else willing can help me out.

"By contrast, Revonsuo, Lehar and Gray adopt an intromissive form of biological naturalism, arguing that the entire 3D phenomenal world, stretching to the horizon and the dome of the sky, is a form of virtual reality that is literally located inside the brain. For them, this ultimately reduces the problems of consciousness to problems of neurophysiology—a reduction that Lehar claims to be more “scientific” than the notion of perceptual projection. However, Lehar (2003) also points out that biological naturalism forces one into a surprising conclusion: if the phenomenal world is inside the brain, the real skull must be outside the phenomenal world (the former and the latter are logically equivalent).

Let me be clear: if one accepts that:

a) The phenomenal world appears to have spatial extension to the perceived horizon
and dome of the sky.

b) The phenomenal world is literally inside the brain.

It follows that

c) The real skull (as opposed to the phenomenal skull) is beyond the perceived horizon and dome of the sky.

Although Lehar accepts this conclusion, he admits that this consequence of biological naturalism is “incredible”. I agree, and, in my view, this casts an entirely different light on the so-called ‘scientific’ status of biological naturalism and the so-called ‘unscientific’ status of perceptual projection (in the reflexive model). Decide for yourself. Put your hands on your head. Is that the real skull that you feel, located more or less where it seems to be? If that makes sense, the reflexive model makes sense. Or is that just a phenomenal skull inside your brain, with your real skull beyond the dome of the sky? If the latter seems absurd, biological naturalism is absurd."​

As noted, I think Velmans' logic here is completely wrong. I think the issue is he use of both "phenomenal" and "perceived." Keep in mind that just above, Velmans wrote:

"The perceived objects are what we experience—and in terms of their phenomenology, an object as perceived and our experience of the object are one and the same."

So, if I am reading that correctly, in the context of this paper at least, perceived reality and phenomenal reality are equal and are distinct from real reality.

So when Velmans says:

"Put your hands on your head. Is that the real skull that you feel, located more or less where it seems to be? If that makes sense, the reflexive model makes sense. Or is that just a phenomenal skull inside your brain, with your real skull beyond the dome of the sky? If the latter seems absurd, biological naturalism is absurd."

I want to make two points that I think are tripping Velmans up here (but I want to hear @smcder thoughts).

(1) Is that the real skull that you feel, located more or less where it seems to be?

The point that Velmans so beautifully articulated is that our perception/experience of the world is generated in the brain and "projected" or mapped onto the real world. Without this projecting or mapping, we would not experience the real world, but, importantly, the real world would still exist.

So in this case, the real skull would still be there, but we would have no experience of the real skull. The real skull and the experienced skull, as Velmans articulated so wonderfully, are distinct.

Ex: Phantom limbs: Some people are missing their right arm (real world), but they still experience having and using a right arm (phenomenal world).

Ex. Some people have legs (real world), but due to spinal injury, they do not experience having and using their legs (phenomenal world).

However, can we assume that the real skull is in the same location as the experience/phenomenal skull? Sure. But, as in the two examples above, experienced/phenomenal reality does not always align with real reality.

(2) Or is that just a phenomenal skull inside your brain, with your real skull beyond the dome of the sky?

Okay, this is where Velmans' logic really breaks down. He seems to lose the thread of the argument here. There is nothing logically inconsistent about the above statement. (It certainly goes against our experiences and intuitions, but it is not illogical.)

If the entire phenomenal/experiential world is inside the brain (see phantom limb ex above) then is follows that the phenomenal skull and phenomenal "dome of the sky" are as well.

The argument is not that the real "dome of the sky" is inside the real skull. The argument is that the phenomenal "dome of the sky" and the phenomenal skull are both inside the real skull.

One may reject this phenomenal internalist approach to experience, but there is nothing illogical about it. Also, based on how Velmans' beautifully outlined the problem of perception, I don't understand why he thinks this is "absurd."

He himself acknowledges that experience is generated in the brain and is projected onto reality.

I think there is something about his argument that I am missing. Any help would be appreciated.

"I think there is something about his argument that I am missing. Any help would be appreciated."

This paper is rather brief. I suggest reading the other papers of his that he recommends for further clarification in his notes and bibliography. Or maybe searching out in C&P earlier links to and discussions of reflexive monism.

I'm glad you linked this delightful paper; I hadn't come across it before.
 
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