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Consciousness and the Paranormal — Part 9

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"Walking Across the Fields and Watching the Birds Fly"

Among the more irritating minor ideas
Of Mr. Homburg during his visits home
To Concord, at the edge of things, was this:

To think away the grass, the trees, the clouds,
Not to transform them into other things,
Is only what the sun does every day,

Until we say to ourselves that there may be
A pensive nature, a mechanical
And slightly detestable operandum, free

From man's ghost, larger and yet a little like,
Without his literature and without his gods . . .
No doubt we live beyond ourselves in air,

In an element that does not do for us,
So well, that which we do for ourselves, too big,
A thing not planned for imagery or belief,

Not one of the masculine myths we used to make,
A transparency through which the swallow weaves,
Without any form or any sense of form,

What we know in what we see, what we feel in what
We hear, what we are, beyond mystic disputation,
In the tumult of integrations out of the sky,

And what we think, a breathing like the wind,
A moving part of a motion, a discovery
Part of a discovery, a change part of a change,

A sharing of color and being part of it.
The afternoon is visibly a source,
Too wide, too irised, to be more than calm,

Too much like thinking to be less than thought,
Obscurest parent, obscurest patriarch,
A daily majesty of meditation,

That comes and goes in silences of its own.
We think, then as the sun shines or does not.
We think as wind skitters on a pond in a field

Or we put mantles on our words because
The same wind, rising and rising, makes a sound
Like the last muting of winter as it ends.

A new scholar replacing an older one reflects
A moment on this fantasia. He seeks
For a human that can be accounted for.

The spirit comes from the body of the world,
Or so Mr. Homburg thought: the body of a world
Whose blunt laws make an affectation of mind,

The mannerism of nature caught in a glass
And there become a spirit's mannerism,
A glass aswarm with things going as far as they can.

Wallace Stevens
 
@Soupie


I said some time ago that it doesn't matter what "stuff" we are made of ... any thing (we really cared about i.e. "any question of philosophical or even religious signficance" 15:00 - 17:20) could be true.

Or, to put it another way:

Hyle hyle ... the gang's all here!

Maybe this will help give another way to think about your concerns in re: monodualism.
 
Phenomenology proper is the study of the "structures of experience and consciousness" ... that said:

"Phenomenology should not be considered as a unitary movement; rather, different authors share a common family resemblance but also with many significant differences. Accordingly, “A unique and final definition of phenomenology is dangerous and perhaps even paradoxical as it lacks a thematic focus. In fact, it is not a doctrine, nor a philosophical school, but rather a style of thought, a method, an open and ever-renewed experience having different results, and this may disorient anyone wishing to define the meaning of phenomenology”.

I would think that the practice of Phenomenology is compatible with any number of beliefs.


I think you're right about that. You have often compared phenomenological perspectives in Western philosophy with similar perspectives and practices in Eastern philosophy. Here is part of a paper I'd copied into a Word document that more than likely was introduced here by you in an earlier part of our discussion:


WM. JAMES, A PLURALISTIC UNIVERSE

SEE http://queksiewkhoon.tripod.com/varieties_of_pure_experience_joel_w_krueger.pdf

This is an extract from a paper that describes an ontology within which we can comprehend our phenomenological experience as well as the scientific, philosophical, and other ideas/concepts we produce within our history, recognizing both the situatedness and limitations of our knowledge and the plenitude of experienced embodied being out of which we generate it. Note that by 'pure experience' James means prereflective experience, the understanding of which has plagued our discussion in general and in particular regarding @Pharoah's paper.


"The Varieties of Pure Experience: William James and Kitaro Nishida on Consciousness and Embodiment"

Joel W. Krueger

1. Introduction

The notion of "pure experience" is one of the most intriguing and simultaneously perplexing features of William James's writings. There seems to be little consensus in the secondary literature as to how to understand this notion, and precisely what function it serves within the overall structure of James's thought. Yet James himself regards this idea as the cornerstone of his radical empiricism. And the latter, James felt, was his unique contribution to the history of philosophy; he believed that philosophy "was on the eve of a considerable rearrangement" when his essay "A World of Pure Experience" was first published in 1904. While Western philosophy is still perhaps awaiting this "considerable rearrangement," James's notion of pure experience was quickly appropriated by another thinker who in fact did inaugurate a considerable rearrangement of his own intellectual tradition: the Japanese philosopher Kitaro Nishida (1870—1945), the founder and most important figure of the Kyoto School of modern Japanese philosophy. 1 Kitaro Nishida is widely recognized as Japan's foremost modern philosopher. His earliest major work, An Inquiry into the Good (1911), is generally considered to be the founding statement of the Kyoto School of modern Japanese philosophy. . . . Pluralistic in his outlook and comparative in his methodology, Nishida was throughout his life deeply influenced by a number of western thinkers and religious figures (a trait shared by most other prominent Kyoto School figures). For instance, Nishida speaks favorably of Augustine, Kant, Hegel and Bergson, and concedes that these Western thinkers, among others, had a hand in shaping his thought. 2 But it was with James's formulation of pure experience that Nishida first believed that he had found a conceptual apparatus upon which he could ground the characteristic themes and concerns that have since been designated "Nishida Philosophy."

Additionally, Nishida felt that James's idea of pure experience was able to preserve some of the more important features of Buddhist thought that Nishida looked to incorporate into his own system. Though he was only to practice Zen meditation for a relatively short time, the distinctively Zen concern with cultivating an intuitive, pre-reflective insight into the nature of reality and experience was conjoined, in Nishida, with the Western emphasis on logic and argumentative rigor in a somewhat unlikely alliance. Nishida's life-long project was thus to wed the immediacy of experience as lived (what he termed "concrete knowledge") with a more formal-rational analysis of the structures of lived experience, an analysis utilizing the concepts and categories of the western philosophical tradition as Nishida understood it. Very simply, Nishida in this way believed that he was attempting to synthesize the philosophical worlds of east and west into a new form of inquiry that would prove mutually enriching to both traditions. And like James, then, Nishida's understanding of pure experience came to occupy the center of his entire life's work.James's particular understanding of pure experience and its function within his thought is sharpened when contrasted with the distinctive nuances of Nishida's own development of the idea. Thus a comparative analysis is warranted.

In this essay, I develop several points of convergence in the notion of "pure experience" as formulated by James and Nishida. I begin with a brief consideration of James's formulation of "pure experience." I then move to an analysis of James and Nishida on the bodily self. I argue that both men offer similar models of selfhood and embodiment that challenge classical substantialist conceptions of the self, as well as the mind-body dualism generated by these substantialist models. Furthermore, I argue that their respective analyses of embodiment are meant to throw into high relief the intellectualist prejudices of western epistemology: that is, the persistent tendency to assume the human beings are first and foremost cognitive subjects. James and Nishida both offer a radically reconfigured picture of human reality, one which stresses not only the embodied character of our being-in-the-world but furthermore the volitional-affective character—in short, our active character—that is in fact our fundamental mode of existence. I argue that James and Nishida similarly contend that it is this embodied-active character that actually generates anterior cognitive structures. Put otherwise, body both precedes and shapes thought. This claim then leads both thinkers to search for an ontologically primordial dimension of experience intended to undercut traditional metaphysical dualism: hence, the centrality of pure experience within their respective systems.

Finally, I conclude by considering a number of important ways in which Nishida's utilization of pure experience extends beyond that of James, in that it grounds both his analysis of religious experience and his ethics. 4

2. James on Pure Experience

The starting point of James's thought is a deeply (though not exclusively) empirical concern. His work as a whole is founded upon a consideration of concrete experience: the world as experienced by an embodied, embedded, and acting agent. Explicating the lived structures that constitute our uniquely human way of being in the world, James insists, is the key to understanding the antecedent categorizations, conceptualizations, and other intellectual ways of organizing the world that are founded upon these experiential structures, and which emerge through our action within the world. These intellectual structures ultimately reflect the practical concerns of human beings as they simultaneously shape and are shaped by the world they inhabit and act within.

His "concrete analysis," as he terms it, thus provides the methodological trajectory of his philosophical considerations. James writes that "concreteness as radical as ours is not so obvious. The whole originality of pragmatism, the whole point of it, is its use of the concrete way of thinking."2 And therefore all philosophical reflection, as an intellectual movement away from a more concrete analysis into abstract conceptual analysis, invariably must return "...back once again to the same practical commonsense of our starting point, the pre-philosophic attitude with which we originally confront the visible world" if it is to remain faithful to our lived experience.3 It is in concrete experience that the world as given, within the "aboriginal flow of feeling" that is the "much-at-onceness" of pre-conceptual phenomenal experience, that we discern the deeper features of reality—such as cause, continuity, self, substance, activity, time, novelty, and freedom.4 This "prephilosophic" attitude through which we initially face the world is captured in James's development of the concept of "pure experience" as the foundation of his radical empiricism. 5 James's brand of radical empiricism therefore looks to ground his empirical philosophy on the raw material of experience as given. Of this methodological principle he writes: "The postulate is that the only things that shall be debatable among philosophers shall be things definable in terms drawn from experience."5 With his distinctive notion of pure experience, James looked to probe what he perceived to be the underlying experiential unity behind language and reflective or conceptual thought.

Mirroring a basic Zen Buddhist presupposition that Nishida will later utilize for his own ends, James argued that conceptual analysis could never provide an exhaustive account of human experience in its phenomenal richness. And like Nishida and Zen, we can pinpoint a suspicion of concepts and conceptual analysis that underwrites James's formulation of pure experience. This suspicion led some contemporary critics to dismiss his claims on this point as endorsing a kind of undisciplined irrationalism and has contributed to a lingering caricature of James as anti-logical.6 6 Why the suspicion of concepts in James? An analysis of this feature of James's thought will prepare us for this tendency as we find it in Zen and developed in Nishida, discussed below. However, I cannot do justice to James's important position on this point within the confines of the present paper's concerns. Therefore I will limit my discussion to a few salient quotes and a bit of analysis.

To begin simply, James was suspicious of the idea that conceptual or propositional thought functions as the primitive—and thus irreducible—interface between self and world. On this conceptualist or "intellectualist" line, as James refers to it, all thinking and experience involves concepts. No concepts, no experience. James instead argues that the phenomenal content of embodied experience as experienced outstrips our capacity to conceptually or linguistically articulate it. In other words, James insists that many of our basic experiences harbor non-conceptual content. That is, many of our experiences have a rich phenomenal content that is too fine-grained and sensuously detailed to lend itself to an exhaustive conceptual analysis.7 For example, we can have visual experiences of colors and shapes of things for which we lack the relevant concepts (a previously unfamiliar shade of magenta or a chiliagon). And this ability holds for other sensory modalities as well. For our ability to describe or report a wide-range of tastes and smells lags far behind our capacity to actually have an experience of a nearly infinite spectrum of tastes and smells. In other words, the deliverances of our senses continually run ahead of both our descriptive vocabularies as well as our conceptual abilities. Though James does not address the notion of non-conceptual content as explicitly as many contemporary philosophers of mind—and furthermore, it's not clear that he's entirely consistent on this point, as I discuss below—James does continually insist that there is a truth to our concrete experience of reality that conceptual analysis and the formal truths of logic cannot explicate. Thus James is moved to write the following passage, which (not surprisingly) caused considerable consternation among many of his contemporary commentators: I have finally found myself compelled to give up the logic, fairly, squarely, and irrevocably. It has an imperishable use in human life, but that use is not to make us theoretically acquainted with the essential nature of reality. Reality, life, exped[r]ience, concreteness, immediacy, use what words you will, exceeds our logic, overflows and surrounds it.8

However, to understand James's basic contention here, it is important to note that he does not dismiss the instrumental utility of concepts. (This point is one which a number of his critics failed to see). And James is certainly not suggesting that we disregard the formal truths of logic altogether, of course. Rather, his insistence that logic can be "given up" is an insistence that the problem at stake is not with concepts and logical truths per se, but rather with the way that philosophers (especially, once again, those endorsing an "intellectualist" view) habitually relate to conceptual and/or logical analysis. James claims that concepts are merely "map which the mind frames out,"9 and which enable us to organize and cope with a particular aspect of reality making up the environment(s) with which we are concerned. He says elsewhere that "the only meaning of essences is teleological, and that classification and conceptions [are] purely teleological weapons of the mind"10—retrospective reconstructions of the portion of reality that demands our attention at any given moment. In this way, concepts have a clear instrumental necessity. They are invaluable in both organizing our experiences as well as enabling us to report, share, and discuss our experiences with other language users. But concepts, James insists, do not capture the irreducible essence of that which they purport to describe. There is always another aspect under which a thing can present itself, another way that a thing can be investigated and categorized.

Again, concepts pick out whatever properties of a thing that "is so important for my interests that in comparison with it I may neglect the rest."11 In this way, concepts "characterize us more than they characterize the thing."12 Problems arise, however, when the structures of our conceptual "maps" are thought to provide an isomorphic blueprint of the inner structure of reality itself. In Zen parlance, this presumption of isomorphism constitutes a "clinging" to thoughts and concepts. As long as we recognize the instrumental utility of concepts, which indicates both their necessity for human life and communication, as well as their intrinsic limitation when it comes to delivering over the reality of a life as experienced that forever exceeds comprehensive articulation, we can use them effectively. But James insists that when logic and concepts (both of which are a "static incomplete abstraction"13 of a more dynamic reality feeding our phenomenal experience) are taken to be a literal reflection of reality, our intelligence becomes distorted. The "static incomplete abstraction" is mistaken for the real, and the vibrancy of phenomenal experience is crystallized into static categories that fail to do justice to its lived richness. Thus James urges that "our intelligence cannot wall itself up alive" in logic and conceptual analysis, but must instead "at any cost keep on speaking terms with the universe that engendered it."14 This universe is the universe of pure experience.

In this way, then, James was ultimately concerned with a holistic appraisal of self and nature—including, it must be noted, a sensitive consideration of the felt sense of life in its perpetual unraveling—that emerges from the center of a life creatively engaged in everyday living. Rather than begin a separate investigation of self and nature, a dichotomy presupposed by his "intellectualist" opponents, James looked instead to inaugurate a new brand of philosophy that had, as its goal, a harmonious integration of self in nature. This consideration included the inarticulate (or again, nonconceptual) dimensions of our lived existence that continually defy purely logical or conceptual analysis. This feature was to be the cornerstone of his self-initiated "considerable rearrangement" of the methods and aims of philosophy as classically conceived. Moreover, it is an essential feature of his philosophy that sets him very much at odds with the more austere, purely epistemological characteristics of modern philosophical preoccupations.15 This pursuit of concreteness and immediacy led James to begin his investigations with [what] he termed "pure experience": reality understood as "a that, an Absolute, a 'pure' experience on an enormous scale, undifferentiated and undifferentiable into thought and thing."16

Pure experience for James therefore grounds any phenomenology of human experience. According to James, pure experience is the non-conceptual givenness of the aboriginal field of the immediate, a phenomenal field prior to the interpretive structures (and concomitantly, subject-object bifurcations or conceptual discriminations) that we subsequently impose upon it. Pure experience is prior to the reflexive thematizing of the cogito in language and thought. To use a Zen expression, pure experience is a pure seeing. It sees the world but does not thematize it. Nor does it organize it by employing various "teleological weapons of the mind." Rather, it simply bears mute witness to the world in all its "blooming, buzzing confusion." Refining this rather vague idea somewhat, James offers the operative thesis of his "principle of pure experience" when he says that 'My thesis is that if we start with the supposition that there is only one primal stuff or material in the world, a stuff of which everything is composed, and if we call that stuff "pure experience," then knowing can easily be explained as a particular sort of relation towards one another into which portions of pure experience may enter.'17

James thus looked to locate a primordial experiential realm that undercut the dichotomized metaphysical and epistemological poles of both subjectivity and objectivity. His "pure experience" was in part a solution to the immanence/ transcendence paradox this dichotomy engenders. The intellectualist project of trying to reduce the objective world to categorical distinctions, or a purely conceptual analysis, ultimately failed due to the inability of human categories to adequately capture the richness and pluralistic vivacity of how things are, and how they are experienced in the phenomenality of their concrete becoming. Conversely, the empiricist attempt to reduce the subjective world to the objective world exhibited a kind of hermeneutic insensitivity, in that it failed to adequately concede the inescapable presence of mediation within our experience of the world, and the perspectival nature of this experience: the fact that our understanding is filtered through the contingencies of differing interpretive frameworks, conceptual filters as finite structures of human subjectivity (such as categories of language, history, culture, art, etc.) By locating his starting point within the realm of pure experience, James found a point of departure prior to the subject-object polarity that dualistic thinking posits as primary reality. And he does so without appealing to a transexperiential principle of unification, transcendental "substances, intellectual categories and powers, or Selves" that belong "to different orders of truth and vitality altogether," and that are subsequently required to bind together the empiricist picture of discrete, atomistic sense-impressions.18

Out of this aboriginal sensible muchness attention carves out objects, which conception then names and identifies forever—in the sky "constellations," on the earth "beach," "sea," "cliff," bushes," "grass." Out of time we cut "days" and "nights," "summers" and "winters." We say what each part of the sensible continuum is, and all these abstracted whats are concepts.19 For James, therefore, the phenomenal world is both ontologically and epistemologically prior to the objective world and the subjective world.

James's analysis led him to a primordial level of unified experience that arises prior to the subject-object distinction, and provided the ground for an ontology that harbors no aperture for any brand of metaphysical dualism. In doing so, he furthermore safeguards the irreducible primacy of our nonconceptual phenomenal experience, which emerges from the sensory modalities of an agent immersed and acting within a living world."

The whole paper is available at this link:

http://queksiewkhoon.tripod.com/varieties_of_pure_experience_joel_w_krueger.pdf
 
The Fold and The Body Schema in Merleau-Ponty
and Dynamic Systems Theory
David Morris, Department of Philosophy, Concordia University,

Published in Chiasmi International: Trilingual Studies
Concerning Merleau-Ponty’s Thought
1 (1999): 275-286
Department of Philosophy - Philosophy - University of Memphis


Abstract:
Contemporary thought, whether it be in psychology, biology, immunology, philosophy of perception or philosophy of mind, is confronted with the breakdown of barriers between organism and environment, self and other, subject and object, perceiver and perceived. In this paper I show how
Merleau-Ponty can help us think about this problem, by attending to a methodological theme in the background of his dialectical conception of
embodiment. In La structure du comportement, Merleau-Ponty conceives life as extension folding back upon itself so as to reveal Hegel’s ‘hidden
mind of nature.’ In the Phénoménologie de la perception, radical reflection elucidates the body schema as an essence that reveals itself within embodied existence, qua shaping the natural perceptual dialogue in which the perceiver and the perceived permeate and separate from one another. In these two conceptions of embodiment, we progressively see how the dialectical principle of embodiment must reveal and conceive itself within embodiment itself. Science, on the other hand, follows the phenomena of the body to a certain point, but refuses to allow that embodiment is self-conceptual. I illustrate this using the example of
dynamic systems theory, an inheritor of the tradition of J.J. Gibson’s ecological psychology. In this way, I show how Merleau-Ponty’s conception of the dialectic of embodiment as self-conceptual is
important to problems in contemporary thought.

http://spectrum.library.concordia.ca/6444/1/Fold_and_Body_Schema_Open_Access_Preprint.pdf

This article reminded me of concepts in BEAM robotics:

BEAMbuilder: Adaptive Bicore - Abcores

"One difference between a traditional robot limb and a BEAM robotic limb is the replacement of an accurately measuring servo with chaotically reacting DC motor load. The ideal is a limb that automatically conforms to the environment, seeking a state wherein the motor is under the least load.

Thus the Adaptive Bicore Biomech motor controller (Abcore) is an exemplar BEAM controller. Without any input or bias, the Abcore's oscillation will depend entirely upon motor load.

As Mark Tilden put it in Junkbots, Bugbots, and Bots on Wheels, "the ABc is still not predictable ... It's unstable. It's explosive. It's inconsistent and incomplete. I like it a lot. Hope you have fun with it.""
 
A number of recent articles on AI have (via AI) popped up in my feed:

Yuval Harari on why humans won’t dominate Earth in 300 years

Yuval Harari on why humans won’t dominate Earth in 300 years

“It's not because I overestimate the AI. It's because most people tend to overestimate human beings.”

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"Over the past few decades, there has been immense development in computer intelligence and exactly zero development in computer consciousness. There is absolutely no reason to think that computers are anywhere near developing consciousness. They might be moving along a very different trajectory than mammalian evolution. In the case of mammals, evolution has driven mammals toward greater intelligence by way of consciousness, but in the case of computers, they might be progressing along a parallel and very different route to intelligence that just doesn't involve consciousness at all.

We may find ourselves in a world with nonconscious super intelligence."
 
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"We may find ourselves in a world with nonconscious super intelligence. The big question is not whether the humans will fall in love with the robots or whether the robots will try to kill the humans. The big question is how does a world of nonconscious super intelligence look? Because we've absolutely nothing in history that prepares us for such a scenario.

Ezra Klein
To me, that is the most interesting question about AI, and the one that I feel is almost always ignored. The reason we solve problems is because feelings drive us. The feeling of anger, the feeling of pain, these lead us to try to solve problems. And at a very base level, there’s the drive to reproduce, which is also mediated by feelings of love and lust.

Yuval Harari on why humans won’t dominate Earth in 300 years

So much of, not just human civilization, but the way all animals on Earth seem to operate is trying to secure reproduction for their species. The question that I always am stopped by when I try to imagine AI is what does super intelligence without the basic biological drivers of reproduction look like? Even if you imagine it would have something like consciousness, it wouldn't have our consciousness.

So AI would have powerful intelligence to solve problems, but what would its motivation be? Why would it want to solve those problems? Which problems would it want to solve? I feel so much of the AI conversation assumes that the AI will have the human desire for more, that it will have something and then it will want more things. It will become the best Go player, but it won't be willing to stop there. It will also have to be better than anybody else at Monopoly. It will also have to be better than anyone else at playing Guitar Hero on the PlayStation. But it isn't clear to me that would be true or what would make it true.

Yuval Hariri
In the first generations of AI, you can say that the motivation will be determined by the people who program the AI, but as machine learning kicks off, you really have no idea where it might take the AI. It will not have desires in the human sense because it will not have consciousness. It will not have minds, but it could develop its own patterns of behavior which are way beyond our ability to understand.

The whole attraction of machine learning and deep mind and AI for the people in the industry is that the AI can start recognizing patterns and making decisions in a way that no humans can emulate or predict. That means we have no ability to really foresee where the AI will develop. This is part of the danger. The scenarios in which AI goes beyond human intelligence are, by definition, the scenarios that we cannot imagine."
 
"We are likely to see an immense advance in the computer's ability to read and understand human emotions better than humans can do it. If you go to the doctor, you want to have this warm feeling of a human being interacting with you. The way the doctor does it is by reading your facial expressions and your tone of voice and, of course, the contents of your words. These are the three ways in which a human doctor analyzes your emotional state and knows whether you're fearful or bored or angry or whatever.

Now, we are not yet there, but we are very close to the point when a computer will be able to recognize these biological patterns better than a human being. Emotions are not some mystical phenomena that only humans can read. In addition, the computer will be able to read signals coming from your body, which no human doctor can do. You can have biometric sensors on or inside your body and the computer will be able to diagnose your exact emotional state much better than any human being. Even in that, AI will have an advantage."

A couple thoughts:

We don't have any of this stuff yet, not even self driving cars ... computer diagnosis? Well I have a funny story about that! And the thing thats hardest to predict is the future but the way to sell a prediction, like anything else is to be bold, which our author is ... But:

2. We like being around even people who aren't good at reading our emotions. No matter how appearingly (sic) saavy... We won't fall in love or like or friendship or trust (maybe respect) with a machine unless it looks, smells, sounds, tastes ... emits pheromones and all other signals (electrical signals from the heart etc) that we use to determine something is human.

So we could simply reject the machines excellent ministrations and advice in favor of a mediocre human relationship.

Lots to say in response to this too of course ... for example persons with low affiliation needs or Autism-spectrum or biophobic tendencies might tend to cooperate with and thus thrive over "neuro-typicals" ... In fact this may be happening now.
 
I'm not retreating from panpsychism/CR as I never fully embraced it. My interest in CR has been grounded in the way in which it reveals matter to be a product of our perceptions, as articulated in the quotes above.

If you recall, I wondered how consciousness/awareness could be primary outlined by Kafatos as well.

How could there exist a fundamental and fundamentally non-quantized substrate?

I think there are multiple albeit priliminary lines of inquiring which seems to indicate that reality is so. High on the list for me is Roberts articulation of QST which is as materialist as materialism gets. The metaphysics he ultimately articulates is one of quanta consisting of subquanta consisting of subquanta consisting of subquanta. All the way up and all the way down.

There is no there there at least in materialist terms. Its interaction.

But what is doing the interacting?

Besides the articulation of "pure experience/actuality" outlined by James above there is this:

UBT - CTMU Wiki

"In the CTMU, UBT (unbound telesis) is the ground-state of existence arrived at by stripping away the constraints of reality. Since there are no distributed constraints to limit its content, UBT is all-inclusive, infinite potential, and the source of all freedom.

Reality is created by filtratively emerging from this potential by the process of telic recursion. Since reality has a self-defined informational boundary distinguishing it from its complement (unactualized potential or unreality), it has recognizable content and structure. On the other hand, UBT is "a realm of zero constraint and infinite possibility where neither boundary nor content exists."[1]

Definition
Unbound Telesis (UBT) - a primordial realm of infocognitive potential free of informational constraint. In CTMU cosmogony, "nothingness" is informationally defined as zero constraint or pure freedom (unbound telesis or UBT), and the apparent construction of the universe is explained as a self-restriction of this potential. In a realm of unbound ontological potential, defining a constraint is not as simple as merely writing it down; because constraints act restrictively on content, constraint and content must be defined simultaneously in a unified syntax-state relationship.[2]"
 
I'm not retreating from panpsychism/CR as I never fully embraced it. My interest in CR has been grounded in the way in which it reveals matter to be a product of our perceptions, as articulated in the quotes above.

If you recall, I wondered how consciousness/awareness could be primary outlined by Kafatos as well.

How could there exist a fundamental and fundamentally non-quantized substrate?

I think there are multiple albeit priliminary lines of inquiring which seems to indicate that reality is so. High on the list for me is Roberts articulation of QST which is as materialist as materialism gets. The metaphysics he ultimately articulates is one of quanta consisting of subquanta consisting of subquanta consisting of subquanta. All the way up and all the way down.

There is no there there at least in materialist terms. Its interaction.

But what is doing the interacting?

Besides the articulation of "pure experience/actuality" outlined by James above there is this:

UBT - CTMU Wiki

"In the CTMU, UBT (unbound telesis) is the ground-state of existence arrived at by stripping away the constraints of reality. Since there are no distributed constraints to limit its content, UBT is all-inclusive, infinite potential, and the source of all freedom.

Reality is created by filtratively emerging from this potential by the process of telic recursion. Since reality has a self-defined informational boundary distinguishing it from its complement (unactualized potential or unreality), it has recognizable content and structure. On the other hand, UBT is "a realm of zero constraint and infinite possibility where neither boundary nor content exists."[1]

Definition
Unbound Telesis (UBT) - a primordial realm of infocognitive potential free of informational constraint. In CTMU cosmogony, "nothingness" is informationally defined as zero constraint or pure freedom (unbound telesis or UBT), and the apparent construction of the universe is explained as a self-restriction of this potential. In a realm of unbound ontological potential, defining a constraint is not as simple as merely writing it down; because constraints act restrictively on content, constraint and content must be defined simultaneously in a unified syntax-state relationship.[2]"

Q & A - CTMU - Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe - Christopher Michael Langan

"So the CTMU is essentially a theory of the relationship between mind and reality.

In explaining this relationship, the CTMU shows that reality possesses a complex property akin to self-awareness. That is, just as the mind is real, reality is in some respects like a mind. But when we attempt to answer the obvious question "whose mind?", the answer turns out to be a mathematical and scientific definition of God. This implies that we all exist in what can be called "the Mind of God", and that our individual minds are parts of God's Mind. They are not as powerful as God's Mind, for they are only parts thereof; yet, they are directly connected to the greatest source of knowledge and power that exists. This connection of our minds to the Mind of God, which is like the connection of parts to a whole, is what we sometimes call the soul or spirit, and it is the most crucial and essential part of being human.

Thus, the attempt to formulate a comprehensive theory of reality, the CTMU, finally leads to spiritual understanding, producing a basis for the unification of science and theology. The traditional Cartesian divider between body and mind, science and spirituality, is penetrated by logical reasoning of a higher order than ordinary scientific reasoning, but no less scientific than any other kind of mathematical truth. Accordingly, it serves as the long-awaited gateway between science and humanism, a bridge of reason over what has long seemed an impassable gulf."

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"Q: Does the CTMU allow for the existence of souls and reincarnation?

A: From the CTMU, there emerge multiple levels of consciousness. Human temporal consciousness is the level with which we're familiar; global (parallel) consciousness is that of the universe as a whole. The soul is the connection between the two...the embedment of the former in the latter.

In the CTMU, reality is viewed as a profoundly self-contained, self-referential kind of "language", and languages have syntaxes. Because self-reference is an abstract generalization of consciousness - consciousness is the attribute by virtue of which we possess self-awareness - conscious agents are "sublanguages" possessing their own cognitive syntaxes. Now, global consciousness is based on a complete cognitive syntax in which our own incomplete syntax can be embedded, and this makes human consciousness transparent to it; in contrast, our ability to access the global level is restricted due to our syntactic limitations.

Thus, while we are transparent to the global syntax of the global conscious agency "God", we cannot see everything that God can see. Whereas God perceives one total act of creation in a parallel distributed fashion, with everything in perfect superposition, we are localized in spacetime and perceive reality only in a succession of locally creative moments. This parallelism has powerful implications. When a human being dies, his entire history remains embedded in the timeless level of consciousness...the Deic level. In that sense, he or she is preserved by virtue of his or her "soul". And since the universe is a self-refining entity, that which is teleologically valid in the informational construct called "you" may be locally re-injected or redistributed in spacetime. In principle, this could be a recombinative process, with the essences of many people combining in a set of local injections or "reincarnations" (this could lead to strange effects...e.g., a single person remembering simultaneous "past lifetimes").

In addition, an individual human sublanguage might be vectored into an alternate domain dynamically connected to its existence in spacetime. In this scenario, the entity would emerge into an alternate reality based on the interaction between her local level of consciousness and the global level embedding it...i.e., based on the state of her "soul" as just defined. This may be the origin of beliefs regarding heaven, hell, purgatory, limbo and other spiritual realms."
 
"We are likely to see an immense advance in the computer's ability to read and understand human emotions better than humans can do it. If you go to the doctor, you want to have this warm feeling of a human being interacting with you. The way the doctor does it is by reading your facial expressions and your tone of voice and, of course, the contents of your words. These are the three ways in which a human doctor analyzes your emotional state and knows whether you're fearful or bored or angry or whatever.

Now, we are not yet there, but we are very close to the point when a computer will be able to recognize these biological patterns better than a human being. Emotions are not some mystical phenomena that only humans can read. In addition, the computer will be able to read signals coming from your body, which no human doctor can do. You can have biometric sensors on or inside your body and the computer will be able to diagnose your exact emotional state much better than any human being. Even in that, AI will have an advantage."

AI might be able to assess human physical problems but I don't see how it could address emotional ones, perform as a psychologist or psychiatrist, or even as an empathetic friend to a human. Empathy in humans develops out of a shared set of felt conditions of being in the world with one another, of the Heideggerean sine qua non: Sorge/Care. .
 
AI might be able to assess human physical problems but I don't see how it could address emotional ones, perform as a psychologist or psychiatrist, or even as an empathetic friend to a human. Empathy in humans develops out of a shared set of felt conditions of being in the world with one another, of the Heideggerean sine qua non: Sorge/Care. .

A classic tale by Ray Bradbury ...

Marionettes, Inc. - Ray Bradbury

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AI might be able to assess human physical problems but I don't see how it could address emotional ones, perform as a psychologist or psychiatrist, or even as an empathetic friend to a human. Empathy in humans develops out of a shared set of felt conditions of being in the world with one another, of the Heideggerean sine qua non: Sorge/Care. .

And ... as a tonic to that story ... seek out "I Sing the Body Electric" or "The Electric Grandmother" ... one of my favorite Bradbury tales and one of my favorite Twilight Zone episodes ...

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I'm re-posting this for anyone who has time to listen, I think it's worth an hour of your time.

I found myself nodding often.

@Constance I couldn't find a transcript but some quotes and para-phrases are below.

  • Are we made of matter or soul stuff? Are we just material beings or "something more"?
  • this concern is based on false assumptions, but not to dismiss the concern - but to speak to the real concern: which is the autonomy of our mental life ... i.e. the concern is "are we just mechanical"?
  • I like that Putnam cuts to the chase and says that one of the big concerns in POM is just that ... are we mechanical or do we have an autonomous mental life? And he answers clear-cuttingly:
Mentality is a real and autonomous feature of our world.
  • "This whole question has nothing to do with our substance ... the autonomy of our mental life does not hinge on and has nothing to do with the question of: "matter or soul stuff"? ... we could be made of "Swiss cheese and it wouldn't matter a damn."
  • once we see that our substance is not the issue, we cannot help but make progress
Functional Isomorphism The concept that is key to unraveling the mysteries of Philosophy of Mind is functional isomorphism

Functional Isomorphism = if there is a correspondence of the states of one and the states of the other that preserves functional relations

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Two systems can have quite different physical constitutions and be functionally isomorphic. Thus, our mental states cannot be identical with any physical or chemical states ... whatever the "program" of the brain may be it must be (in principle) possible to produce something with that same "program" ... something with a quite different physical or chemical realization.

... alternative universe with "soul-people" having immaterial constitution and "brain-people" having physical brains ... if the souls are functionally isomorphic with the brains ... then the matter out of which they are made is irrelevant, both are people, no matter how ethereal their constitution. *that ties in with certain remarks @Constance makes about the soul above and the quote I linked above in a post to @Soupie about this talk

... more to come, or have a listen for yourself!

He is going to have some very interesting things to say about AI later in the talk ... arguing, against AI proponents that general intelligence is more than just a collection of special intelligences, although he concedes the weight of the argument by AI proponents "that the machines get smarter" (arguable)

He also notes there is no obvious reason not to separate the questions:

1. can we be simulated by Turing machines
2. are we Turing machines

in other words, whether any particular thing we do could be simulated by a Turing machine and whether we are Turing machines may be two different questions

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And man, does he look like a philosopher ...






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It seems to me that differentiating between subjective and the objective realities and their associated properties is all that's required to put everything into perspective. So to begin we could say that it's certainly possible that everything is composed of the same stuff on some fundamental level ( physical monism ) and also that some of that stuff has different properties than other stuff ( still physical monism ), and that when certain stuff with certain properties is combined in certain ways, new properties emerge, including consciousness ( still physical monism ).

Or is it still physical monism? Are properties a different kind of stuff than the stuff they're associated with? Can properties exist independently of stuff? If so then monism is out the window and if not then what exactly are properties made of? Consciousness isn't required for properties to have effects, so some properties ( like momentum ) are entirely independent of consciousness, while other properties ( like the redness of a Ferrari ) aren't. And no matter how we look at the problem, properties and the stuff they're associated with cannot be one in the same thing, that is unless there is no stuff, and properties are all there is, and the material is simply an illusion.





When we conjure the category "physical monism," we have to remind ourselves that we are using our fingers to "point at the moon." We will find "illusion" either way -- i.e. when we put everything into the category of "mind" or "matter." It is THIS very division that is illusory, but we may try to prove the division is such by examining "form" (mind) in terms of "matter" or vice versa. Either way we wind up in a cul-de-sac...a dead end. The problem is that we are using our own simulation artifacts as a basis for proof. In this way we end up noticing that placing the entire world in terms of "mind" or "idea" is isomorphic to the same regarding "matter" or "thing." The answer is of course neither...the things (for which we interact with) in our world our as much a part of ourselves as we are to ourselves. In fact, a basic review of our nature will show that our "awareness" or "consciousness" of "ourselves" and other things (or to be more precise, "ourselves through the mediation of that which is not of what we denote as 'ourselves'") is something that cannot be put into either categories. Both categories of "us" vs "that" or vs "them" require a world that supercedes such notions. We don't have to grasp the superceding framework as a "thing" because such "grasping" would have to be analogous to the categories we have already assumed prior to the attempt (at the grasping of "reality).

So all of the questions regarding the "stuff" and its "properties" and whether one is "dependent" on "another" is dependent on a pre-existing reality which remains unexamined. The "reality" which we are "looking for" is something that stands in the background of all that enables our powers to make such categories and distinctions. This is very frustrating, because we are used to our own sensory impressions making up the fullness of reality which is relevant to our continued survival. Once we developed the capacity to see that the rules and regulations of our own survival are a vanishing subset of a greater (largely irrelevant) "situation," unanswerable questions explode from our heads.

We can find "sameness" in "stuff" that is "different" and "difference" in stuff that is the "same" (i.e. look at the phases of water, or more bluntly, contrast with Uranium 235 vs 238) . We live in a universe that is filled with things that look the "same" but in reality are "different" (using instruments) and find things that are "different" resolve to something that is "same." This means that the very survival mechanisms which allow us to thrive in this environment (i.e. the world, universe) have limits with regard to questions that are largely irrelevant to our own continued survival. Simply put, if your brain finds a niche in the universe for which it can thrive by following a set of "rules," it nevertheless does not follow that our continued existence (i.e. survival) requires complete understanding.

The most important lesson we can learn (if we wish to ascend to higher understanding) is to throw away our instinctual attachment to terms as "consciousness," "properties," "matter," and even basic "stuff." Throw away our metaphysical (which should be read as "pre-physical") presumptions. Look at the artifacts of our consciousness ("to the things themselves!) as a pure "unknown" and ask how they provide the raw dynamics and material that allow us to "experience" what we consider to be "consciousness." The funny thing is that once we look at the universe in this manner, the moment we understand everything happens precisely when all the questions and mysteries evaporate. This is what I meant by "nothing special." We take for granted "physical" being that is fundamentally unexplained (i.e. substance) and feel comforted (weirdly) by finding a source from which all questions can be answered while simultaneously finding comfort in the necessary condition that such foundations must lie beyond our framework of understanding (e.g. cause effect nexus must have an unconditioned root)...but yet we find no comfort in the notion that our own mechanism of "understanding" and "comprehension" itself lies in the same bedrock of unanswered questions.

The problem is of course that our ability to "experience" and "live" the questioning as a part of our experience of the world is in itself part of the same framework. To get rid of our questions requires an answer that resolves the same questions into a bedrock of "simple being" (i.e. "it is what is is"...or reflexively "I AM that I AM")...to answer the question of being completely is to dissolve its framework. Proof? Take the extreme case of "omniscience" and work out the "ability" (or lack thereof) of such a being to be surprised. To experience being requires a lack of "knowledge" or "completeness" in the relations of things to the sentient. Even the experiential object of the sentient is completely destroyed by the pre-condition of omniscience. This means that our "experience" in and of itself requires a something which is unpredictable...and this reality forever bars our path into the realm of answering the final question...which is really "why are we aware of our own ignorance...why are we asking questions").

Alan Watts in one of his lectures asked the audience to pretend they could ask the supreme being (i.e. God) one question. He went through the possibilities as such:

"You might thing to ask 'beyond the positive and the negative, what is real?'"

GOD: "That question your ask has no meaning"

Then you'd be stuck...or perhaps you might ask

"God, what question should I ask?"

God will reply, "Why do you want a question?"

[laughter]

He could have well replied "the question you should ask me [and yourself] is 'why do I want a question'"

Our very nature depends on the unanswerable questions we seek to find answers to...(This is where I expect @Constance will probably ask me to write a huge paper/monograph explaining this.)

This is not a complicated state...we firstly must realize that our inability to resolve all mysteries is not in itself a condition for our existence. Existence lies fundamentally unexplained, only because such a fundamental is required for our ability to "experience." We want to find a "root" in being that ends all "questioning"--but to find such a "root" is to put ourselves into a state of "non-being." Once we have found the answers to all questions regarding the nature of our own existence and ability to experience...we will cease to "exist."
 
"(This is where I expect @Constance will probably ask me to write a huge paper/monograph explaining this.)"


Actually not. You've written quite enough there that I'll need to read it several times before possibly understanding it.
 
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