Do You Believe in Ghosts?

[The Pair of Cats]

Hmmm....I'd be very interested in hearing where you heard that from. could you please point me in the direction of a manual, book, or anything by which I could take advantage of this information.

Ok, I'll make myself a bit clearer then. Since you mentioned the fact that the person referenced by YOU had somehow let himself be targeted by something demonic or "Demon" as YOU described.
Demonic possession is not a subject that, as far as i know, been scientifically verified. Although it was YOU who has made the leap from whether ghosts exist or not, and now to what word we apply to their description, to "Demons". Do you believe in Demons? Why bring them up in the first place? I made the reference due to the fact that persons who have studied the subject such as David Considine, Phil Imbrogno, Mary Ellen Guiley, John Zaffis, Ed and Lorraine Warren seem to have views along those lines. Now i'm not 100% sure as to each of those researchers absolute and personal opinion in regards to my statement, but i'm sure that if any of you are interested, a few minutes of your time in a library, or using your favorite search engine you may find some useful or useless information on the subject. Depending on your bias. Anyhow , have a look.
I do not necessarily ascribe any validity to their claims only that they have certain opinons on the subjects of ghost, hauntings, demons and the djinn.

I am not "trying" to do anything. The fact remains that you were so all fired up to harangue and hold my statement to the coals, but ohhhh so politely looked to use some farcical retort when your friend "Pair" decided to make his latest FUBAR. This bodes badly for a someone with a fair sense about him wouldn't you say?

FUBAR? So now I made a "Fucked UP Beyond All Repair"? WTF does that mean? Apart from the fact that your application of the acronymn was grammatically incorrect, it was rude and uncalled for.
YOU inserted the subject of demons into the conversation. I'm sure you would not have unless you have some "knowledge" or insight into the subject. If you do please enlighten us. I was merely responding as an aside.

But isn't the "demon" interpretation in the same boat as ETs or ghosts? The concepts behind demons, ghosts, and ETs are products of the human imagination, folklore, and superstition used to describe anomalous events the true nature of which can only be speculated on many cases. There are those who think they somehow know about invisible spirit realms or unseen alien worlds and dimensions and therefore can tell us about them but in all reality you must ask where does that information actually come from? The language we use to describe these things is important and shape our thinking. In my mind apparition acknowledges the presence of the phenomena and its undefinable nature rather than superimposing my or someone else's preconceived notions about it on the experience. In The UFO Phenomenon by John Michael Greer the author suggests that the UFO phenomena itself is best described as an apparition in most cases.

I would not assume that either my perception or the apparition were telling me the truth. I know better than to believe everything I see, think, or am told. My first guess would be that I need to see a neurologist and damn quick.

I understand your POV. and agree with it in most part. It's easy to dismiss folklore and myth as superstitious nonsense. Just as easy to dismiss "ghosts" as the same. It doesn't really matter what you call it or them. Whatever makes you more comfortable when talking about them.
I would ask this, though. Have any of you seen a ghost/apparition/spook? I'm sure that when and if you do you will assign some explanation to it and therefore become as guilty as the others who you seem to despise for "knowing" and ascribing opinions and notions to the phenomena.
If you do one day, are you really going to trot on off to your local neurologist for a consult? Or will you be more able to work it out yourself? If you do, please let me know how the results go. i am genuinely interested.

 

[mike]

Since this has gone off topic anyway.............

Im guessing here but i reckon most people at this forum are white middle class persons.
Most of you being english speaking white people will have bookshelves filled with books authored by..... surprise surprise english speaking white people

but we know abductions happen all over the world

South america is considered a hotspot

UFO Cases Directory: South & Central America - UFO Evidence

and it happens in china,

Australian UFO investigator Bill Chalker discussed UFO cases in China, as well as his continued investigations into alien abductions in Australia. He's conducted extensive research into Chinese sightings,
He spoke about several ET encounter cases in China. In one, a man (Cao Gong) was taken inside a UFO, and made to take part in a healing exercise for a young woman, which involved a solid beam of light. Interestingly, the woman was later tracked down and found to have unusual marks on her body

If you are a white english speaking person, then the reports you read will in all likely hood be from the same demographic, its a bit like a goldfish insisting the universe is made of water.

If you dont speak spanish, you will likely miss the bulk of the south american abduction reports, if you dont read chinese....the same.
here is a classic example

四川在线 - UFO频现 成都档案馆翻出60年前最早档案

The single largest ethnic group on the planet by far is Han Chinese, which represents 19.73% of the global population.

We know they report UFO's and abductions, but unless you read chinese how can you be sure they dont report more abductions than white middle class people ?

"Its easy to miss what you are not looking for............"


I suggest the saints conclusions are based on nothing more than his ethnocentric filters.

This is a world wide phenomena.

Filters are funny things, if your looking for one thing, you can miss what your not looking for

 

[Slim Shady]

i think theres a higher chance of there being ghosts than ufo's because i'm more scared of ghosts than ufo's and i think the blair witch lives in my shed =(

 

[PararealitySaint]

Ok, I'll make myself a bit clearer then. Since you mentioned the fact that the person referenced by YOU had somehow let himself be targeted by something demonic or "Demon" as YOU described.
Demonic possession is not a subject that, as far as i know, been scientifically verified. Although it was YOU who has made the leap from whether ghosts exist or not, and now to what word we apply to their description, to "Demons". Do you believe in Demons? Why bring them up in the first place? I made the reference due to the fact that persons who have studied the subject such as David Considine, Phil Imbrogno, Mary Ellen Guiley, John Zaffis, Ed and Lorraine Warren seem to have views along those lines. Now i'm not 100% sure as to each of those researchers absolute and personal opinion in regards to my statement, but i'm sure that if any of you are interested, a few minutes of your time in a library, or using your favorite search engine you may find some useful or useless information on the subject. Depending on your bias. Anyhow , have a look.
I do not necessarily ascribe any validity to their claims only that they have certain opinons on the subjects of ghost, hauntings, demons and the djinn.

And there you have it....The FUBAR. It's "recognition" by the way and not "repair". The fact that you actually had the temeritous gall to initially reply as if the words you stated were "fact" and not conjecture by those you quote above, proves beyond the shadow of a doubt I was correct in both my conclusion about bias and about the stupidity of your original paragraph explaining demons and ghosts. I knew the Warrens (lived near them in Connecticut actually) and they changed their minds about a thousand times during their lives. I met Zaffis once and didn't like his theories. So what. None of the people you have listed here have any "complete understanding or divine wisdom" within their limited knowledge of the afterlife or demons or ghosts at all. They form theoretical ideology in their presentations and so should have you!

FUBAR? So now I made a "Fucked UP Beyond All Repair"? WTF does that mean? Apart from the fact that your application of the acronymn was grammatically incorrect, it was rude and uncalled for.
YOU inserted the subject of demons into the conversation. I'm sure you would not have unless you have some "knowledge" or insight into the subject. If you do please enlighten us. I was merely responding as an aside.

My application? Are you so devoid of reasoning that you quickly intend to assess others without actually looking at the premise of your position in the first place. Here, even for a someone of your supposed background in the grammatical, please note what the term "FUBAR" actually means. The word "repair" is emphasis within the definition, not part of the acronym. Ohhh and since were on grammatical know how, learn to spell "aconymn" at least! It's acronym.

Lastly, I add this part of a reply to all those who have read my posts in the past pertaining to the "thousands" of Caucasian abduction cases. Please note something. If I stated that there "weren't" minority abductions cases in mass then I am sorry (I don't have time to go over every post I made at the moment). My original intention was to show that there are "Thousands" of Caucasian cases and not to state there aren't others. If I mis-communicated this point by placing too much emphasis on just the aspect of "Caucasian" then I stand corrected. It would be stupid of anyone to state that just whites were being abducted and not minorities or other races.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

ParaRealitySaint,

Surely you can understand that I am not on this forum 24 per day, right? Complaining that I have not been present in this discussion to right any wrongs that you think have been done against you is absolutely silly.

Some time back your favorite moderator “Angelo” insisted I shouldn’t utilize aggrandizement when it came to emphasizing my points. He stated it was necessary to be as authentic and factual as possible. This was in reaction to my observation that “thousands” of people were abducted throughout the world, most of them white, lower to middle class people. I was chastised by not a few in this and told I must list all the thousands in order to prove my case….

What I actually said was:

You shouldn't' just throw out numbers like that.

and

I was just wondering where you heard that number. I know there are a lot of cases, but thousands of cases sounds excessive.

That's what I said, and I don't see the parallel here.

Also, if you're going to be part of the grammar police when it comes to Phil, I'll correct you as well. My name does not belong in quotes. It's my name.

What "Trained" was doing is called "doing a fun-fun" or more simply, a "joke." Also, you don't use Google? Are you a hipster?

 

[Hotkafka]

Since this has gone off topic anyway.............

Im guessing here but i reckon most people at this forum are white middle class persons.
Most of you being english speaking white people will have bookshelves filled with books authored by..... surprise surprise english speaking white people

but we know abductions happen all over the world

South america is considered a hotspot

UFO Cases Directory: South & Central America - UFO Evidence

and it happens in china,




If you are a white english speaking person, then the reports you read will in all likely hood be from the same demographic, its a bit like a goldfish insisting the universe is made of water.

If you dont speak spanish, you will likely miss the bulk of the south american abduction reports, if you dont read chinese....the same.
here is a classic example

四川在线 - UFO频现 成都档案馆翻出60年前最早档案



We know they report UFO's and abductions, but unless you read chinese how can you be sure they dont report more abductions than white middle class people ?

"Its easy to miss what you are not looking for............"


I suggest the saints conclusions are based on nothing more than his ethnocentric filters.

This is a world wide phenomena.

Filters are funny things, if your looking for one thing, you can miss what your not looking for

Is there a parrot in here?

 

[Slim Shady]

wonder if there is such thing as ghost abductions ?

 

[trainedobserver]

You know damn spankin' well that there have been thousands upon thousands of abduction cases (of Caucasian middle and lower class human beings) on this planet,

I know no such thing. Just how am I supposed to know this? What am I missing here? Does anyone else reading this discussion know "there have been thousands upon thousands of abduction cases (of Caucasian middle and lower class human beings) on this planet"? If so, please step up and tell me how you know this and how I might come to know it.

...yet you had to have a list of every one so you could eventually lose the point anyway; and this setup held forth by of all things,

How many different ways do I have to say this? I just asked what you were looking at where you were seeing thousands and thousands of cases. Why didn't you just say, "The Internet" and be done with it? That would have been a valid answer you know since you were apparently referring to your own research on the Internet. Is that not true?

Your inability to cope with being asked for a reference for your assertion that there are thousands and thousands of cases is disturbing. Ironically the title of that thread was The Reason Why The Abduction phenomena Gets No where and it was started by you! Hat's off to PararealitySaint. You certainly have given us a very graphic example The Reason Why The Abduction phenomena Gets No where. People make statements, expect people to believe them without proper justification to do so, and get angry and unreasonable when asked simple questions like, "What study are you looking at?" and "Where are you getting your data from?"

Please note that at no time have I challenged the particulars of your assertion, I just asked that you tell me where you were getting it from. The incredible breakdown that resulted from that simple request has really nothing to do with whether there are thousands and thousands or not. A simple answer of, "My personal research." would have been an excellent segue into further discussion about the problems of determining the true demographics of the phenomena as Hotkofka tried to get into. I have to wonder why you didn't just say, "My research."

 

[The Pair of Cats]

When i said....

Yes. Demonic infestation or possession is an entirely different matter. Although it is said that spirits of the dead and Demons (if you truly believe that they exist) occupy the same space or dimension, for want of a better description.

I meant just that. Demons are an entirely different matter to ghosts. I'll say it again, YOU brought up the subject of Demons. No-one else. At no time in that short quote do i ascribe special knowledge or experience with demons. Some how you have typically misconstrued what i wrote and twisted it into me claiming to be an expert on that subject. What in the hell is wrong with you? Are you off your meds...AGAIN?

And there you have it....The FUBAR. It's "recognition" by the way and not "repair". The fact that you actually had the temeritous gall to initially reply as if the words you stated were "fact" and not conjecture by those you quote above, proves beyond the shadow of a doubt I was correct in both my conclusion about bias and about the stupidity of your original paragraph explaining demons and ghosts. I knew the Warrens (lived near them in Connecticut actually) and they changed their minds about a thousand times during their lives. I met Zaffis once and didn't like his theories. So what. None of the people you have listed here have any "complete understanding or divine wisdom" within their limited knowledge of the afterlife or demons or ghosts at all. They form theoretical ideology in their presentations and so should have you!

My application? Are you so devoid of reasoning that you quickly intend to assess others without actually looking at the premise of your position in the first place. Here, even for a someone of your supposed background in the grammatical, please note what the term "FUBAR" actually means. The word "repair" is emphasis within the definition, not part of the acronym. Ohhh and since were on grammatical know how, learn to spell "aconymn" at least! It's acronym.

Lastly, I add this part of a reply to all those who have read my posts in the past pertaining to the "thousands" of Caucasian abduction cases. Please note something. If I stated that there "weren't" minority abductions cases in mass then I am sorry (I don't have time to go over every post I made at the moment). My original intention was to show that there are "Thousands" of Caucasian cases and not to state there aren't others. If I mis-communicated this point by placing too much emphasis on just the aspect of "Caucasian" then I stand corrected. It would be stupid of anyone to state that just whites were being abducted and not minorities or other races.

Who cares what you think about the people i listed. So you don't like them or their theories. Big deal. Your the one who bought up Demons. What makes you an expert on demons? How do you know that it was a demon who gained that man's confidence? Who died and made you the world renowned expert on demons and demonology? Because you hold a bible in one hand and your dick in the other, that's supposed to impress me? I've got an ACRONYM that describes you. FIGJAM=Fuck I'm Good Just Ask Me. Go back to your bible thumping and god swallowing you pretentious, self righteous bore.

I was replying to your post in a respectful manner when suddenly you seem to have gotten a rush of blood to your oversized head and started slinging insults around.

 

[trainedobserver]

I would ask this, though. Have any of you seen a ghost/apparition/spook? I'm sure that when and if you do you will assign some explanation to it and therefore become as guilty as the others who you seem to despise for "knowing" and ascribing opinions and notions to the phenomena. If you do one day, are you really going to trot on off to your local neurologist for a consult? Or will you be more able to work it out yourself? If you do, please let me know how the results go. i am genuinely interested.

To my best recollection I have never seen a ghost/apparition/spook or alien for that matter. If I saw something that fit the classical "ghost" profile I would be as shocked and taken back as anyone else I imagine. I would hope, although I cannot predict such a thing with any reliability, that I would not accept the first thing that leaps to mind as an explanation. Namely, I just saw a spirit (whatever that is) of a dead person. Admittedly I would not immediately look for some medical attention although it might be justified. Such things as strange smells and sights can be indicative of brain tumors and other disorders. If I continued to experience either ghosts or aliens on a reoccurring basis I would certainly hope that I would decide to see a neurologist at the very least just to rule out any organic cause. Having a clean bill of health would certainly give me some peace of mind at least.

others who you seem to despise for "knowing" and ascribing opinions and notions to the phenomena.

I don't despise anyone and as far as I'm aware I've never even suggested such a thing. Where does all this hostility come from? Not from me! I've even discussed my second-cousin's UFO experience (I certainly don't despise him) and the resulting effect on him here and done nothing but express dismay and curiosity at the claims of knowing something by just seeing something strange not hatred or anything of that sort. Good grief.

 

[PararealitySaint]

ParaRealitySaint,

Surely you can understand that I am not on this forum 24 per day, right? Complaining that I have not been present in this discussion to right any wrongs that you think have been done against you is absolutely silly.

What I actually said was:

and

That's what I said, and I don't see the parallel here.

Also, if you're going to be part of the grammar police when it comes to Phil, I'll correct you as well. My name does not belong in quotes. It's my name.

What "Trained" was doing is called "doing a fun-fun" or more simply, a "joke." Also, you don't use Google? Are you a hipster?

And once again, so that the public can truly see how bias and silly you really are, just look at all the hypocrisy in your words:

A. "Part of the Grammar Police"....LOL! It wasn't I who started that Angelo. Why don't you actually take the time out to read what you comment on. Trained initially decided to attack my grammatical usage and I only replied in kind. But then again, this form of unwarranted and one sided chastisement, used with an ID as a moderator, whose usage should never even see the light of day in this context, is expected as I mentioned in my last reply. I placed quotations around your name because I wanted to bring emphasis to your identity as the main interest in the example, and that is correct grammatical usage in every English class...sorry, wrong again.

B. "Doing a fun run"....What is this, some form of modern day dogma for putting his foot in it? The fact remains that he was ooh so quick to ignore Pairs hijinks and instead responded to my post instead. I took it as sarcastic, yet I also explained it could have been innocently done as well. Whatever. The fact still remains that you are happily able to judge those who don't think you're "that and a bag of proverbial chips", and yet still don't give a rats ass if you like it or not.

C. "Hipster????" No, more like a pragmatist who would rather not have his IP address jotted down by other interests every time he looks up a query. And by the way, since the usage of the title, "Hipster" is defined as someone who is, "exceptionally aware of or interested in the latest trends and tastes", it would have been much better to have labeled someone who referred to the term in a question, as obviously one who used Google, the going trend today. This would fall under the category of "conformity" and not someone utilizing a search engine you probably never heard of before now.....but alas, I digress from the real reason why now, all of a sudden, you decided to return from the great beyond to spew forth your authoritative weight.....

Perhaps it's because someone actually challenged a "homie'"?

 

[The Pair of Cats]

I don't despise anyone and as far as I'm aware I've never even suggested such a thing. Where does all this hostility come from? Not from me! I've even discussed my second-cousin's UFO experience (I certainly don't despise him) and the resulting effect on him here and done nothing but express dismay and curiosity at the claims of knowing something by just seeing something strange not hatred or anything of that sort. Good grief.

Sorry Rick. Despise is far too strong a description and I appologise to you on it's use in my post. I certainly wasn't meaning to be hostile towards you or your content. I reread what you had posted and i agree that my response was somewhat mean.
I do see where you are coming from and agree in part. Although my tolerance for the use of the typical descriptions is higher than yours

 

[PararealitySaint]

When i said.... I meant just that. Demons are an entirely different matter to ghosts. I'll say it again, YOU brought up the subject of Demons. No-one else. At no time in that short quote do i ascribe special knowledge or experience with demons. Some how you have typically misconstrued what i wrote and twisted it into me claiming to be an expert on that subject. What in the hell is wrong with you? Are you off your meds...AGAIN?

LOL! Whose off his Meds here? You wrote your original response as if you knew what you were talking about, and you didn't. My point stands that according to your friend Trained, you should be judged just like I have been, and there was no misconstruing of any word of what you stated whatsoever.

Who cares what you think about the people i listed. So you don't like them or their theories. Big deal. Your the one who bought up Demons. What makes you an expert on demons? How do you know that it was a demon who gained that man's confidence? Who died and made you the world renowned expert on demons and demonology? Because you hold a bible in one hand and your dick in the other, that's supposed to impress me? I've got an ACRONYM that describes you. FIGJAM=Fuck I'm Good Just Ask Me. Go back to your bible thumping and god swallowing you pretentious, self righteous bore.

Ahahahahahaha....Boy, where's the Correction Police (moderator) to this statement? I don't see your hand slapping going on for what you just wrote here????????

Do yourself a favor. Stick to your nonsensical dribble about space aliens and UFO's and stay out of areas of interest you have no clue about whatsoever. In that way you won't get caught in your badly unfathomable B.S. and held to the irons.

I was replying to your post in a respectful manner when suddenly you seem to have gotten a rush of blood to your oversized head and started slinging insults around.

Oh please....Now comes the honest truth? You couldn't wait to initially spew forth your little words on the screen because you have this undying need to be the end all of "today's Man's" sad excuse for any lack of real emersed study or understanding whatsoever. You thought you could get away with a statement which made no sense, which reeked of a baseness, devoid of any educational solvency, and you were held out for the charlatan you represent here on a daily basis.

Bringing in both my religious views and commenting the way you do just proves the kind of person you are. The mere fact that you haven't been singled out by your friend "Angelo" and told to cease this form of reply, is the usual non response expected in this forum, but I'll let you in on a little secret here......You don't fool me or anyone who knows how ridiculous your words really are.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

ParaRealitySaint,

It seems as though you are upset. Do you think people are ganging up on you? When one participates in a forum such as this one, there will be difference in opinion.

If you're wondering why I singled you out, you mentioned me by name.

Regards,

 

[trainedobserver]

I do see where you are coming from and agree in part. Although my tolerance for the use of the typical descriptions is higher than yours

Well that's what I'm getting at really. The typical traditional labels that get slapped on various phenomena color our perception of it and perhaps inhibit us from seeing things in a different light. Terms like ghost are loaded and carry a variety of meaning to a variety of folks. When I hear apparition I personally don't have a complete back-story already provided to me by my preconceptions about what ghosts are or are not. Besides, we cannot know what such a thing is by just looking at it and making assumptions about it can we? An apparition is an unknown to me. It is similar to my trying to disconnect the automatic association of UFOs with Aliens in my thinking.

 

[PararealitySaint]

ParaRealitySaint,

It seems as though you are upset. Do you think people are ganging up on you? When one participates in a forum such as this one, there will be difference in opinion.

If you're wondering why I singled you out, you mentioned me by name.

Regards,

Not upset, I just dislike double standards within any medium wherein someone is trusted with authority to oversee the machinations of the various members who visit.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Not upset, I just dislike double standards within any medium wherein someone is trusted with authority to oversee the machinations of the various members who visit.

I'm sorry that you think there is a double standard.

 

[PararealitySaint]

I'm sorry that you think there is a double standard.

Apology accepted.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

LOL! Whose off his Meds here? You wrote your original response as if you knew what you were talking about, and you didn't.

Hardly . It seems that not only do you have a comprehension problem but that you are a moron. And anyway, how do know that i don't know what i'm talking about? Where did you get your qualifications in "demon hunting", from watching The Exorcist? You dismiss long time researchers in the field with a wave of your hand and yet have nothing in the way of any experience yourself except that you've met some bloke who saw a ghost and decided that in your opinion he was seeing a demon. Fabulous. An armchair demonologist with a degree in bullshit.

Do yourself a favor. Stick to your nonsensical dribble about space aliens and UFO's and stay out of areas of interest you have no clue about whatsoever. In that way you won't get caught in your badly unfathomable B.S. and held to the irons.

Oh sorry. Did I encroach on YOUR area of expertise did I? Dr. UnRealitySaint. Say hello to Baal and Beelzebub for me next time you're out there demon hunting.

Oh please....Now comes the honest truth? You couldn't wait to initially spew forth your little words on the screen because you have this undying need to be the end all of "today's Man's" sad excuse for any lack of real emersed study or understanding whatsoever. You thought you could get away with a statement which made no sense, which reeked of a baseness, devoid of any educational solvency, and you were held out for the charlatan you represent here on a daily basis.

Prove it. Prove that what i said was nonsense. Show us all your knowledge and superior intellect when it comes to Demons. While your there, prove to us all that demons exist. Put up or shut up!

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Well that's what I'm getting at really. The typical traditional labels that get slapped on various phenomena color our perception of it and perhaps inhibit us from seeing things in a different light. Terms like ghost are loaded and carry a variety of meaning to a variety of folks. When I hear apparition I personally don't have a complete back-story already provided to me by my preconceptions about what ghosts are or are not. Besides, we cannot know what such a thing is by just looking at it and making assumptions about it can we? An apparition is an unknown to me. It is similar to my trying to disconnect the automatic association of UFOs with Aliens in my thinking.

Fair enough. Aside from possible neurological problems, what do you think that people might be experiencing?

 

[PararealitySaint]

Hardly . It seems that not only do you have a comprehension problem but that you are a moron. And anyway, how do know that i don't know what i'm talking about? Where did you get your qualifications in "demon hunting", from watching The Exorcist? You dismiss long time researchers in the field with a wave of your hand and yet have nothing in the way of any experience yourself except that you've met some bloke who saw a ghost and decided that in your opinion he was seeing a demon. Fabulous. An armchair demonologist with a degree in bullshit.

Originally Posted by The Pair of Cats
Yes. Demonic infestation or possession is an entirely different matter. Although it is said that spirits of the dead and Demons (if you truly believe that they exist) occupy the same space or dimension, for want of a better description.

And after saying this you actually call me a moron? That spirits of the dead and demons "occupy the same space or dimension"....and where did you get that from jackass, the world according to the Walmart shoppers guide to the afterlife?

I don't know, perhaps you have an "in" on dying that none of us are privy too, but I would definitely call this Bullshit for the sake of wasting everyone's time reading. To actually assume something this stupid, as in "it is said"...Said by who? Those you had quoted and I clearly explained changed their minds throughout the years many many times. And even if they said something like this, and lived by it as if it was the only explanation their lives depended on, they would be just as guilty in being a dolt as you are using the statement in the first place. The last time I looked I wasn't a ghost and unless you are now dead and speaking to us from some special "Jacobs" induced hypnotic state through yet another one of his victims, I'd stay to hoping to be abducted by Marvin the Martian instead. At least there you can B.S. with the best of the wannabes.

Oh sorry. Did I encroach on YOUR area of expertise did I? Dr. UnRealitySaint. Say hello to Baal and Beelzebub for me next time you're out there demon hunting.

Nahhh don't worry about it m8ty, I am sure you will have plenty of time to say hello to them yourself someday without my need to help, that is if you continue down the road you seem to be on. And as far as my "expertise" is concerned, you have no idea who I am. For all you know I could be someone who represents quite a bit more than you could possibly imagine in your wildest alien induced wet dreams. Just do yourself a favor, the next time you present ridiculous information on this or any other forum, be willing to at least use your own bullshit instead of "it is said". A responsible idiot is at least a little better dumb ass than a wannabe lackey any day.

Prove it. Prove that what i said was nonsense. Show us all your knowledge and superior intellect when it comes to Demons. While your there, prove to us all that demons exist. Put up or shut up!

You mean like prove that I know you are right about space relations and dimensions? No, I will leave the guess work to you as you seem to do such a nice job of it without any help from me. I never once stated that I knew anything about the actual spacial parts of the afterlife, you did!

And as far as proving that demons exist, prove they don't! Prove to all of us just why it is that you can state so eloquently that the dead and demons occupy the same dimension without any possible means of knowing this, if you DON'T believe they exist? Oh I see, your fail-safe.....the cop out of, "(if you truly believe that they exist)" bullshit. Kind of like using a clarification without having to be responsible for the intent....

Sad. You call yourself "The Pair of Cats" and you use these big game cats which look so scary and ferocious on your avatar....But in reality you are nothing but a de-clawed kitten who would much rather be something so much more important and genuinely involved...inferiority complex anyone.

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And once again, so that the public can truly see how bias and silly you really are, just look at all the hypocrisy in your words:

A. "Part of the Grammar Police"....LOL! It wasn't I who started that Angelo. Why don't you actually take the time out to read what you comment on. Trained initially decided to attack my grammatical usage and I only replied in kind. But then again, this form of unwarranted and one sided chastisement, used with an ID as a moderator, whose usage should never even see the light of day in this context, is expected as I mentioned in my last reply. I placed quotations around your name because I wanted to bring emphasis to your identity as the main interest in the example, and that is correct grammatical usage in every English class...sorry, wrong again.

B. "Doing a fun run"....What is this, some form of modern day dogma for putting his foot in it? The fact remains that he was ooh so quick to ignore Pairs hijinks and instead responded to my post instead. I took it as sarcastic, yet I also explained it could have been innocently done as well. Whatever. The fact still remains that you are happily able to judge those who don't think you're "that and a bag of proverbial chips", and yet still don't give a rats ass if you like it or not.

C. "Hipster????" No, more like a pragmatist who would rather not have his IP address jotted down by other interests every time he looks up a query. And by the way, since the usage of the title, "Hipster" is defined as someone who is, "exceptionally aware of or interested in the latest trends and tastes", it would have been much better to have labeled someone who referred to the term in a question, as obviously one who used Google, the going trend today. This would fall under the category of "conformity" and not someone utilizing a search engine you probably never heard of before now.....but alas, I digress from the real reason why now, all of a sudden, you decided to return from the great beyond to spew forth your authoritative weight.....

Perhaps it's because someone actually challenged a "homie'"?

Angelo,

I wish to use this post to apologize to "Trained" as I mentioned in my reply to you the fact that I was not the one who started the "grammatical police", but it was Trained:

"Part of the Grammar Police"....LOL! It wasn't I who started that Angelo. Why don't you actually take the time out to read what you comment on. Trained initially decided to attack my grammatical usage..."

Instead it was actually Pair of Cats who did this:

FUBAR? So now I made a "Fucked UP Beyond All Repair"? WTF does that mean? Apart from the fact that your application of the acronymn was grammatically incorrect, it was rude and uncalled for.
YOU inserted the subject of demons into the conversation. I'm sure you would not have unless you have some "knowledge" or insight into the subject. If you do please enlighten us. I was merely responding as an aside.

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The corrected phrase should be:

A. "Part of the Grammar Police"....LOL! It wasn't I who started that Angelo. Why don't you actually take the time out to read what you comment on. Trained (Pair of Cats) initially decided to attack my grammatical usage and I only replied in kind. But then again, this form of unwarranted and one sided chastisement, used with an ID as a moderator, whose usage should never even see the light of day in this context, is expected as I mentioned in my last reply. I placed quotations around your name because I wanted to bring emphasis to your identity as the main interest in the example, and that is correct grammatical usage in every English class...sorry, wrong again.