Dr. Steven Greer --> Here we go ...

[Montclair04]

I'm a little late listening to this week's show - but holy shit did this jump out at me - Biedny probably didn't hear Greer mention Europe when he was talking about population figures around 21.30 into the show - so he tries to clarify. I couldn't believe what I actually heard that guy say - "play back the interview and listen carefully...I speak precisely etc etc"

What an ASSHOLE - I can't believe he has the balls to talk down to somebody like that! I'm sitting here hoping that you guys rip him to pieces during this interview.

 

[Chuckleberryfinn]

I do have to admit if I were new to the podcast it would seem as though Greer won this round. He was more even tempered, he actually stopped talking a couple of times and answered pretty much every question. I think emotions got the best of our hosts on this one(not that I can blame them). He's a great con man, kind of hard to get the best of him. Better luck next time guys!

Won the round? That's a laugh, considering that Greer is obviously a baldfaced goddamned liar.

 

[Goody]

I do have to admit if I were new to the podcast it would seem as though Greer won this round. He was more even tempered, he actually stopped talking a couple of times and answered pretty much every question. I think emotions got the best of our hosts on this one(not that I can blame them). He's a great con man, kind of hard to get the best of him. Better luck next time guys!

Won the round? That's a laugh, considering that Greer is obviously a baldfaced goddamned liar.

Or a shaved sasquatch.

 

[Tommy Allison]

Steven Greer is to the UFO Field, as Joe Isuzu was to cars.

The guy is a grade A, Assclown.

I cannot wait for this generation of con men to die off. Maybe then we'll get past the money making ponzi schemes and start getting to the truth.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Steven Greer is to the UFO Field, as Joe Isuzu was to cars.

The guy is a grade A, Assclown.

I cannot wait for this generation of con men to die off. Maybe then we'll get past the money making ponzi schemes and start getting to the truth.

It is strange though. UFOs and stuff doesn't pay as much as being a MD.... so I thought. Is he barking up the wrong tree?

 

[klatuu_berada_nicto]

I have seen Greer's "traveling show" twice in the past couple of years and just for the sheer agony of it, I am going to his presentation in Denver in July. What the hell, it's only 5 bucks, will undoubtedly be "entertaining" and is cheaper than a movie! Looks like I will also get to be "entertained" by the guy who is also wrapped up in the Romanek saga and the movement to have the Denver City Council approve the creation of an alien relations committee.

This is gonna be great!

 

[CapnG]

It is strange though. UFOs and stuff doesn't pay as much as being a MD.... so I thought. Is he barking up the wrong tree?

Did you read the article David linked to? The guy runs around crying poor and raking in donations, plus he runs his little $800-a-head camping trips. That's in ADDITION to what he makes at his small-town-country-doctorin' gig. Basically, the guy has the most lucrative hobby in the universe.

 

[Tommy Allison]

I'm just going to add the title to my name, so I can start milking people out of their money.

 

[Goody]

Is it possible that the only reason he continues with the 'it's a non profit organisation' is because he doesnt want to come across as pocketing all the funds?

Surely has has enough money anyway.

'Well i'm just a county medical doctor...'

Or is it 'country'? Who cares.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

It is strange though. UFOs and stuff doesn't pay as much as being a MD.... so I thought. Is he barking up the wrong tree?

Did you read the article David linked to? The guy runs around crying poor and raking in donations, plus he runs his little $800-a-head camping trips. That's in ADDITION to what he makes at his small-town-country-doctorin' gig. Basically, the guy has the most lucrative hobby in the universe.

I'm aware he tries to get money capn. However, trying to get money and receiving it is two different things. If, he gets dumbfounded dipshits to pay it left and right, then yes, it may be better. I've not seen that that is the case yet. In other words, the effort he spends on ufology, he ought to spend on his profession. I think he'd make more. Write a book on how to eat through your ass and lose weight etc. Beats the shit he's been doin.

And yes, lol, I'm familiar with what David posted I think. At least it sounds like old news. There's 20 other links with that lol. If there was proof of how he/Greer spent money (not just heresay or taking someone's word for it) then that would be new to me. And if so, I'm sorry I didn't read it.

I'm just not as nice as some of you yet calling him a con artist. I think he's possibly a religious egotistical fanatic that is sincere in his delusion. But, I haven't proven it. Just a theory. If he were a con, I hope he'd be better at it. But maybe I overestimate em.

In short Capn. And in much due respect. I think you're being too nice just considering Greer a con artist. Throw delusional etc in. Then we can agree as usual

 

[CapnG]

I'm just not as nice as some of you yet calling him a con artist. I think he's possibly a religious egotistical fanatic that is sincere in his delusion. But, I haven't proven it. Just a theory. If he were a con, I hope he'd be better at it. But maybe I overestimate em.

Actually, I think you're underestimating the gullibility of doe-eyed believers with deep pockets. I never said I though he was a skilled con man but if you're preaching to the converted then skill isn't necessarily required.

And don't forget he sells books and DVDs too.

 

[David Biedny]

And the hits, they keep rolling in.... like this latest email:

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Just heard latest interview with Steven Greer. Just can't believe the assininity of you guys. Steven, as always, answered all of your questions, objections etc. exhaustively and brilliantly. Basically he said that he couldn't mention names because he wasn't authorized by scientists in question to do so. You basically answered, well if you can't give us names we can't believe you. When Steven, on the other hand, implies that you may not be telling the truth about your millionaire buddy, whose name YOU didn't mention either by the way, you fly into an absoulutely infantile fit which sent you ranting and raving into the last part of the show where you let it (your mental instability) all hang out without Dr. Greer having the opportunity to reply as he did so wisely and competently on the main part of show. One word about the alien baby that you really went to town with but didn't have the presence of mind to probe on an objective and scientific basis. For example, what scientific evidence do we have that the alien is a "baby"? It seems to me that our own biologists cannot possibly determine the nature (infant, adult) of a species so far in advance of ours with any degree of accuracy , and certainly not to the extent of being able to state that it was an alien baby. My own take on this is that the alien may have been an adult, even if it was 2 feet tall , had a soft skull, no teeth etc, etc. and any number of characteristics that make it seem baby-like in our own eyes. Healthy skepticism means reserving one's judgement where there is no proof, and not accusing someone of lying if this proof is momentarily lacking. You two are skeptics of the worse kind......, limited mental capacity, don't do your homework (read a book), don't have any real self-control, envious of those who tower above you physically and intellectually as does Dr. Greer , for example.

Love,
Marie

 

[Aaron LeClair]

I'm just not as nice as some of you yet calling him a con artist. I think he's possibly a religious egotistical fanatic that is sincere in his delusion. But, I haven't proven it. Just a theory. If he were a con, I hope he'd be better at it. But maybe I overestimate em.

Actually, I think you're underestimating the gullibility of doe-eyed believers with deep pockets. I never said I though he was a skilled con man but if you're preaching to the converted then skill isn't necessarily required.

And don't forget he sells books and DVDs too.

Just seems he'd make more selling health stuff, or asking for money for cancer cures or whatever than talking about alien babies etc.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

And the hits, they keep rolling in.... like this latest email:

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Just heard latest interview with Steven Greer. Just can't believe the assininity of you guys. Steven, as always, answered all of your questions, objections etc. exhaustively and brilliantly. Basically he said that he couldn't mention names because he wasn't authorized by scientists in question to do so. You basically answered, well if you can't give us names we can't believe you. When Steven, on the other hand, implies that you may not be telling the truth about your millionaire buddy, whose name YOU didn't mention either by the way, you fly into an absoulutely infantile fit which sent you ranting and raving into the last part of the show where you let it (your mental instability) all hang out without Dr. Greer having the opportunity to reply as he did so wisely and competently on the main part of show. One word about the alien baby that you really went to town with but didn't have the presence of mind to probe on an objective and scientific basis. For example, what scientific evidence do we have that the alien is a "baby"? It seems to me that our own biologists cannot possibly determine the nature (infant, adult) of a species so far in advance of ours with any degree of accuracy , and certainly not to the extent of being able to state that it was an alien baby. My own take on this is that the alien may have been an adult, even if it was 2 feet tall , had a soft skull, no teeth etc, etc. and any number of characteristics that make it seem baby-like in our own eyes. Healthy skepticism means reserving one's judgement where there is no proof, and not accusing someone of lying if this proof is momentarily lacking. You two are skeptics of the worse kind......, limited mental capacity, don't do your homework (read a book), don't have any real self-control, envious of those who tower above you physically and intellectually as does Dr. Greer , for example.

Love,
Marie

Love Marie? Wow, hate to see her hate you.

 

[valiens]

"...sincere in his delusion..."

My take on Greer is that he's a pathological liar. He just can't help himself. However, wouldn't his delusions kinda be limited to personal "contact" experience? They wouldn't include hopping on a plane, going to Europe, and seeing a beautiful alien baby. I don't think he could be that deluded and that coherent.

I'm not a shrink so I don't really know, but just based on meeting the dude at the X-Conference who believes Merlin is his uncle and his good friend George Bush allowed him to take the implant out of his head...I talked to him both times I went to the X-Conference and he didn't remember what he'd told me the first time. So I dunno...I don't think people that delusional can sustain the lies as coherently as Greer for this long. Then again, since his field is riddled with morons who think he's a "warrior" and other delusional types, maybe I'm giving him too much credit.

 

[valiens]

What is it with Maria and He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named that if they spit nonsense at you, think they're still good people by ending with "love" or "have a nice day!"

 

[Miah]

Marie is obviously from the ATS ike, but posting her email address is not helping the good guys side. That's a breach of privacy and would make others think twice before emailing the show their honest opinions.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

"...sincere in his delusion..."

My take on Greer is that he's a pathological liar. He just can't help himself. However, wouldn't his delusions kinda be limited to personal "contact" experience? They wouldn't include hopping on a plane, going to Europe, and seeing a beautiful alien baby. I don't think he could be that deluded and that coherent.

I'm not a shrink so I don't really know, but just based on meeting the dude at the X-Conference who believes Merlin is his uncle and his good friend George Bush allowed him to take the implant out of his head...I talked to him both times I went to the X-Conference and he didn't remember what he'd told me the first time. So I dunno...I don't think people that delusional can sustain the lies as coherently as Greer for this long. Then again, since his field is riddled with morons who think he's a "warrior" and other delusional types, maybe I'm giving him too much credit.

By delusional I meant one who doesn't care about reality.

 

[David Biedny]

Miah,

Duly noted and corrected. Thanks!

dB

 

[ArizonaWill]

None of us can see into the psyche or soul of Steven Greer. Perhaps what we see in him responds to our previous experiences and our ability to discern. I suspect (but do not know) that Greer is a multi-level person. He seems to constantly name drop in each interview all the VIP - Very Important People - he knows and has briefed on the alien situation. This seems quite important to Steven's presentation and personality. He likes hobnobbing with the rich and powerful, although he has not yet briefed Paris Hilton or Britney Spears, or has he? Seriously, this is a man who seems to want terribly much to run with the A Crowd in politics and power. Being a "country Doctor" may be financially lucrative and bring him Tudor mansions, but if his driving force is to be an historical figure, and to be part of the movers/shakers of this generation, then he needs an angle. Aliens will do.

Do I think it is all a farce or con? No. I think he truly does believe that the good space brothers are out there and have a special connection to him. He does feel ordained for great historical deeds, and would probably like to go down in the history books for thousands of years to come as the first human embassador to the planet Vulcan or whatever.

Does he embellish things, and perhaps pathologically lie? Perhaps. I once worked for a lady who was a pathological lyer. You need to understand that such people do it as naturally as we breath oxygen (with due respect to any alien hybrids who might be reading this and have difficulties with that). I would tell my boss point A, and in my presence she would turn and tell others point A-distorted out of all recognition. She'd do this in my presence, full knowing that I was aware of her distortions. When I called her on it, she professed no awareness of doing this. What I surmised is that her lieing came from a deep intrinsic need for attention, for being the center of adoration (most of her distortions involved how SHE saved the day, even though in actuality it was me!). So, I think perhaps Greer fabricates whatever pops into his head as part of this overall need to run with the "big boys and girls", be important, and a man of power and prestige.

He is arrogant, with little patience for the "little people" (which includes 99% of the Earth's population not in power), and probably has shared pretzyls with George Bush, traded facial reconstruction stories with McCain, and plans to condescend to brief Obama, if he should win the Presidency.

I see him purely as a figure of entertainment and in some sense, compassion. His ego is invisibly pulling him around like a bull with a ring through its nose. He wants to be THE MAN who gives the world free energy. He wants to be THE MAN who (like the Holy Spirit) intercedes between humankind and God (aliens). He wants to be THE MAN that everyone in power (royalty, Presidents, Prime Ministers, Congressmen and Senator) rely on for truthful (!) information. It's sort of sad, when you think of it this way, this overriding drive that has created Steven Greer, the trademarked product. God Bless him, we each have our own foibles. Is he hurting ufology? I think, like the Reformation that created the Protestant religious movement, perhaps ufology needs to officially splinter into different groups, none of which use the word ufology anymore. Let the exo-politics nuts (where I put Greer) separate totally into some sort of Space Brother New Age Movement. Let the serious researchers disdain stages with such folk and have conferences (and perhaps a catchy but serious title) that captures what they do. In other words, maybe it is time for an official cracking wide open of what is now the Catholic Church = ufology, and for the dissenting groups to form their own groups with their own names. Trying to reform the Holy Church itself is impossible, since right now it includes every nut and psycho who can put on an aluminum foil hat.