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Wrong. Hamas gave up every point to create what is being referred to as the Unity government.

Fanatics won't compromise. You're painting everyone with the same brush. It's become a 'them'. I am acquainted with innumerable Muslims in my daily round. I guarantee you none of them are fanatics and are as appalled and disturbed by Jihadism as are Christians disturbed by Christian Fundamentalism when it rears it's fanatical head.

None the less Islam at its root requires a global islamic state and imposition of sharia law, we are seeing this in iraq today

and this on july 18 2014

Oh, Allah increase the pressure You exert upon the plundering Jews,” he said. “Demonstrate upon them the miracles of Your might, for they are no match to You. Count them one by one, and kill them to the very last one. Do not spare a single one of them.”
“Oh Allah, disperse them. Oh Lord, freeze the blood in their veins,” he said. “Oh Allah, tear them asunder. Oh Allah, sow discord in their hearts. Oh Allah, do not let them prevail. Make an example of them for their allies. Oh Allah, bring down the planes of their air force, burn their infantry and sink the ships of their navy.”


I accept your premise the charter has changed recently, but at its core Islam wants all jews and non muslims dead or converted, that charter will change back to total extermination as soon as it suits them to do so
 
Been trying to address facts here, stay on topic. Rolling eyes icon notwithstanding, I am American, I'm not Randall, and I thought this absurdity was over. I know you're feeling defensive more on this thread and that you can't dominate it with impenetrable walls of pasted text from Russia Today, but your only response to my posts is that I'm your hated and despised Randall. I have no idea what got you into this manlove spat with him, but it seems you have a fixation with him, so for the new posters on this thread who've put you on the defensive, I'm not Randall for the hundredth time. Stick with the thread's topic. I will continue posting and stay on the topic. Your only response to me is that I'm Randall, which is a coward's way of debate. You're making a fool of yourself and slandering Randall.
 
Further the ” Australian ” Muslim´s call to Jihad
Hadith 2683.
” I charge you with 5 things of what Allah has charged me with
To assemble
To listen
To obey
TO IMMIGRATE
TO WAGE JIHAD FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH
Jihad does not end until all the World is Islamic and Muslims should not stop until Islam dominates the World.

You are being redirected...
 
The Muslim insurgents have threatened to kill 20 teachers and have distributed fliers that said, “WANTED: 20 Deaths of Buddhist teachers.” Muslim terrorists object to the education system which teaches Buddhist culture that is not acceptable in Islam. The attacks are intended to force Buddhists to leave the region because Muslims want to create an independent Muslim nation in the three southern provinces.

Its not acceptable because idolotry is a sin and the punishment is death
Its why the Buddhas of Bamiyan , two 6th century monumental statues of standing buddha were destroyed.
This applies to all the other religions as well.

WARNING, Do not click on this link if you are eating or of a sensitive nature. It bad very very bad

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2011/...head-a-9-year-old-boy-warning-graphic-images/

And the same WARNING

beheadings in iraq - Bing Images

Its the 21st century FFS, there should be no place for this barbarity in the world.

And is i posted above, we have Australian clerics calling for this to happen here.
Israel is on the bleeding edge of this problem, but the root cause isnt them. Its happening everywhere
 
Very pertinent, Mike. Read the article coupla days ago in NY Times about American (ha,ha)-Arab who just recently plowed a truck bomb into a public building in Syria. It shows his 30 or more minute hate filled rant against the US in a video released by his "mentors." Guy grew up in US, hates us.
 
Randall/M1, you defend Randall too much. You take things too far. One oblique reference and you're off and running. :rolleyes: You are pretty transparent.

Mike, you and I have a different sense of history. You are aware that it was Palastine that accepted in refugee Jews from Germany in the 1930's?

Historically, I disagree with the one-sidedness of your rendition. Our western culture is indebted to Moorish Spain, where Muslim, Jew and Christian mingled. The best education was to be had in the streets of Cordoba. From where comes the beginnings of our science, do you think?

But I'm not here to give a history lesson. I want solutions for the Middle East. I want justice for Palestinians - as well as safety for Israelis. I do not want an out-of-control Israel - smothering dissent among its own populace - to be bankrolled by US tax dollars. I don't want Palestinians forced to live in 'the stone age' because they are hated by other Arabs (as you claim).
 
But I'm not here to give a history lesson. I want solutions for the Middle East. I want justice for Palestinians - as well as safety for Israelis. I do not want an out-of-control Israel - smothering dissent among its own populace - to be bankrolled by US tax dollars. I don't want Palestinians forced to live in 'the stone age' because they are hated by other Arabs (as you claim).

Well youve come to the right place, with all these expert's.
 
Fair enough. Then stop once and for all. No references or accusations of that anymore. However "oblique." We may not agree, but stick to topic. I've been assiduously avoiding references to you and sticking to topic. I think from your last post you will agree with this. It's not funny, never was, because you never meant it as ribbing or good natured. Call me anything you want, within reason, but not Randall or M1. Agreed, then. And dislike Randall as you do, this constant accusing me of impersonating him is borderline slander OF HIM. I want NO MORE of it, no part of it. Please write HIM but keep me OUT of it. Thank you, Tyger, appreciate it. Michael
 
Very pertinent, Mike. Read the article coupla days ago in NY Times about American (ha,ha)-Arab who just recently plowed a truck bomb into a public building in Syria. It shows his 30 or more minute hate filled rant against the US in a video released by his "mentors." Guy grew up in US, hates us.

Yeah these two are the same

No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au

What possible reason does either of these numbnuts have for jumping on a plane and flying halfway around the world to behead ppl they have never met before ?

Jihad, their religion makes it clear they are "obligated" to do this shit


(And everytime i see this finger gesture as per the article above, i think to myself "can you guess which one smells like butt ?" )
 
I don't want Palestinians forced to live in 'the stone age' because they are hated by other Arabs (as you claim).



Some of the commenters came out strongly against the kidnapping itself purely from the perspective of the damage it caused Palestinians and Arabs in general. "Akirav" criticized the act under the heading "A fool remains a fool" because the Hamas killed "three settlers and took their lives, and didn't think (of the fact) that the Palestinian people is the one who will pay the price." "Muhammad" argued fiercely that the kidnapping was stupid and counterproductive:
These are stupid acts […] You (Hamas) kidnapped three Jewish kids and killed them!!! What is the benefit of this act for the Palestinians? What resulted is the prohibition on 700,000 Hebron residents to leave the city and a hard economic blow to the thousands of Palestinian families there […] This, alongside giving the army an excuse to go into the city, to abuse, arrest and kill Palestinians there […] to say nothing of declaring war on Gaza […] and I'll end with a question […] until when will the Palestinian people pay the price for these stupid actions???

מידה | The Arabs Who Hate Hamas -


Arab Leaders, Viewing Hamas as Worse Than Israel, Stay Silent

The Arab states’ loathing and fear of political Islam is so strong that it outweighs their allergy to Benjamin Netanyahu,” the prime minister of Israel, said Aaron David Miller, a scholar at the Wilson Center in Washington and a former Middle East negotiator under several presidents.
“I have never seen a situation like it, where you have so many Arab states acquiescing in the death and destruction in Gaza and the pummeling of Hamas,” he said. “The silence is deafening.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/w...tates-find-themselves-allied-with-israel.html


So why did Hamas pick another unwinable fight ?

Follow the money

Hamas set to gain support, funding from Gaza battle - Yahoo News UK

They needed more donations and this fight will gain them those donations, and they are happy to start a fight (they cannot win) and cause loss of life both sides of the border to get it.
Happy to sacrifice their own people for political profit
 
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Sigh' :rolleyes:

Fair enough. Then stop once and for all. No references or accusations of that anymore. However "oblique." We may not agree, but stick to topic. I've been assiduously avoiding references to you and sticking to topic. I think from your last post you will agree with this. It's not funny, never was, because you never meant it as ribbing or good natured. Call me anything you want, within reason, but not Randall or M1. Agreed, then. And dislike Randall as you do,
I don't dislike you, Randall/M1. When I encounter you - twice now as M1 - I find you strangely focused and tiresome.
this constant accusing me of impersonating him
You cannot be 'impersonating' him. There is illogic in this.
is borderline slander OF HIM
Hardly.
I want NO MORE of it, no part of it.
Good, then cease and desist. If you want no part of it, don't bait. Don't follow me around on the site. Simple solution.
Please write HIM
Not on your life. Sorry, Randall/M1.
but keep me OUT of it.
Randall/M1, since you appear unable, I will exit this thread. As I said - tiresome.
 
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Egyptian TV Hosts Slam Hamas Leaders: We Are Sick and Tired of You
OMG Mike. I wish our TV hosts would be emotional like that. At least TV would be fun.
Anyway, I liked to see it because I know this enraged feeling is how my West Bank friends feel toward Hamas.
 
Iran’s supreme leader is promising a world free of infidels and nonbelievers with the coming of the Islamic messiah, Mahdi, a 9th-century descendant of the prophet Mohammad whom the Shiites refer to as the 12th Imam.
The warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan is one example of what the hadiths predicted, according to Shiite theology. The fighting in Syria and the current infighting in Iraq and even the likely intrusion of the Islamic Republic’s army into Iraq to counter the Sunni rebellion, as per Shiite understanding of the hadiths, point to the imminent coming of Mahdi, but not before Israel is destroyed
Khamenei has also stated openly, “I can tell you with utmost confidence: The promise of Allah for The Coming and the establishment of a new Islamic civilization is on its way.”

The supreme leader, in another recent statement covered by The Daily Caller, bluntly said that jihad will continue until America is destroyed.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/15/iran-supreme-leader-the-shiite-islamic-messiah-is-coming-to-free-the-world/#ixzz39OHyfLqF

Israel versus Palestine
The Israel-Palestinian conflict is part of this End-Times scenario, as, according to Shiite doctrine, Israel must be destroyed for the Mahdi to return. In June 2014, just a month before Hamas – backed by Iran – began shelling Israel, Iranian’s supreme leader stated as much:
Iran Supreme Leader: The Islamic Messiah Is Coming Soon To Kill All Infidels
The fighting in Syria and the current infighting in Iraq and even the likely intrusion of the Islamic Republic’s army into Iraq to counter the Sunni rebellion, as per Shiite understanding of the hadiths, point to the imminent coming of Mahdi, but not before Israel is destroyed.

Dr. Ali Sina contends, however:
“It’s not just Shiites. All Muslims believe that, in the End Times, Muslims will kill all the Jews.”

Who is the Mahdi? The Israel-Palestine conflict in religious context | Freethought Nation

Life is a lottery, no one picks the skin they are born in, no one should be on a hit list because they were born a jew, thats insanity.
And yet thats precisely what many of Islams adherants start teaching their children at the same time as they teach them to walk and talk.

What i dont see is Jewish people rioting in the streets of Sydney calling for the beheading of those who insult their faith

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Sydney Muslim riots alleged 20-year-old organiser arrested and charged with inciting violence by NSW Police | News.com.au

Or buddists or hindus or pagans

Paris riots sparked by police identity check on veiled Muslim woman | World news | theguardian.com

Islam's rule of numbers and the beheading in London | Fox News

As surreal as this event may seem, Islamic beheadings are not uncommon in the West, including the U.S.

In 2011, a Pakistani-American who helped develop “Bridges TV”—a station “designed to counter negative stereotypes of Muslims”—beheaded his wife.
In Germany in 2012, another Muslim man beheaded his wife in front of their six children—again while hollering “Allahu Akbar.
Beheading non-Muslim “infidels” in the Islamic world is especially commonplace:
In Yemen a “sorceress” was beheaded by the “Supporters of Sharia”;
In Indonesia, three Christian girls on their way to school were beheaded; in Syria last Christmas, U.S.-supported rebels beheaded a Christian man and fed his body to the dogs;
In Africa—Somalia, Tanzania, Mali—Christians are regularly decapitated. (For a comprehensive picture of Christian suffering under Islam, see my new book, “Crucified Again: Exposing Islam’s New War on Christians.”)
Most recently, a disturbing video surfaced from “liberated” Libya of a machete-wielding masked man hacking at the head of a captive—again, to cries of “Allahu Akbar!”
But the greater lesson of the London beheading concerns its audacity—done in broad daylight with the attackers boasting in front of cameras, as often happens in the Islamic world.


Everyone including Israel has a right to defend themselves against such depraved subhuman behavior imo
 
No, you're not exiting because of me. I could see the last two days your anger rising as you were being out debated. Events over there weren't helping your case either. It was hard sometimes for me with this Randall crap. (I think you have a secret crush on him). But I kept to the facts. Couldn't help standing up for Israel. But that's me, is my point. I've gotten pissed over this Randall stuff, but ignored it. But today was the crowning moment that got you running squealing like a girl from the field, thoroughly routed. The reason?

A new poster entered the thread. He wasn't going to stand for your "simpering gait like a monkey with a parasol." This guy didn't pussyfoot by fielding a mere regiment. No, he came in with ten brigades, flags flying, infantry massed, cavalry poised on the flanks, artillery paving the way. He gave no quarter, asked for none. It was Rob Roy and Braveheart rolled into one. Polite but firm, he marshaled facts and links. I tried to bring up the rear, but his momentum was relentless. I finally fell to the side as his troops cleared the field. I was amazed and stupefied with wonder.

You see, I was saying the same things about Israel's right of self defense, etc., etc., etc., but here was a true general. He damn well told the thread those Arabs are simply subhumans in their treatment of Israel, and to hell with this crap about the poor oppressed terrorists. All backed up and sturdily presented.

I think you were even more rocked on your heels. You managed to get to your feet but then lost your temper at me again. And then all I saw was your rear end on the horizon.

No, fess up. It wasn't me who made you leave. You knew my buttons, I admit it, but I saw a true and masterful defense of Israel that I tried to present but couldn't. Bottom line is I don't think you'd last a month in one of those societies you defend, and make no mistake about it, I saw plenty of defense of and excuses for those societies and groups that would run the Israelis into the sea if they could. Never again. That's Israel's vow, and some of Israel's worst enemies are the coy, hand wringing, treacly, boo hoo babies who defend the terrorists who do exactly as this poster has so amply demonstrated.
 
None the less Islam at its root requires a global islamic state and imposition of sharia law, we are seeing this in iraq today

and this on july 18 2014

Oh, Allah increase the pressure You exert upon the plundering Jews,” he said. “Demonstrate upon them the miracles of Your might, for they are no match to You. Count them one by one, and kill them to the very last one. Do not spare a single one of them.”
“Oh Allah, disperse them. Oh Lord, freeze the blood in their veins,” he said. “Oh Allah, tear them asunder. Oh Allah, sow discord in their hearts. Oh Allah, do not let them prevail. Make an example of them for their allies. Oh Allah, bring down the planes of their air force, burn their infantry and sink the ships of their navy.”


I accept your premise the charter has changed recently, but at its core Islam wants all jews and non muslims dead or converted, that charter will change back to total extermination as soon as it suits them to do so

Sad to have to agree here but Mike hit the nail here... god what a mess the middle east is... should have left it the hell alone.
 
Sad to have to agree here but Mike hit the nail here... god what a mess the middle east is... should have left it the hell alone.

What a beautiful concept. We are, after all, quite capable of creating more than enough home grown evil to keep us busy.

I fear that America and Europe's century of meddling and manipulation involving the entire Middle East has run up a karmic debt that may someday result in events making 9/11 look like a small down payment.
And the religious fanatics of all stripes will self-righteously wag their heads and attribute it to divine prophesy.
 
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What a beautiful concept. We are, after all, quite capable of creating more than enough home grown evil to keep us busy.

I fear that America and Europe's century of meddling and manipulation involving the entire Middle East has run up a karmic debt that may someday result in events making 9/11 look like a small down payment.
And the religious fanatics of all stripes will self-righteously wag their heads and attribute it to divine prophesy.

The hate of Islam towards anyone not of Islam has it's roots with the Mongols who pretty much leveled the entire region. Islam was going through the same kind of thing that happened to Christianity in the 16-17th century far earlier but the entire culture changed irrevocably during the time the Mongols swept through.

The slaughter that the Mongols inflicted on places like Baghdad was insane. They killed *everyone*, as Mongols often did when a city didn't surrender unconditionally. So while the shit Europe and US has pulled surely hasn't helped, the roots of hate go way, way deeper.
 
The hate of Islam towards anyone not of Islam has it's roots with the Mongols who pretty much leveled the entire region. Islam was going through the same kind of thing that happened to Christianity in the 16-17th century far earlier but the entire culture changed irrevocably during the time the Mongols swept through.

The slaughter that the Mongols inflicted on places like Baghdad was insane. They killed *everyone*, as Mongols often did when a city didn't surrender unconditionally. So while the shit Europe and US has pulled surely hasn't helped, the roots of hate go way, way deeper.
Didn't know. Thanks
 
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