Gaza Israel bombings

[manxman]

This ziotroll banana thinks telling stories of mass-murder by other countries/race's/creeds long ago, make what the zionist murderers are doing now OK.

the Pentagon confirmed that last Friday it had resupplied the Israeli military with ammunition under a longstanding military aid agreement. Mr. Obama swiftly signed a bill Monday giving Israel $225 million in emergency aid for its Iron Dome antimissile system

I see you yanks have all given another dollar each to the poor oppressed zionist's, to purchaser more bullet's for snippers to put into Palestinian childrens heads.

 

[flipper]

You kinda missed the point there champ. Keep on foaming though.

This is the point that gets lost in the discussion.

 

[manxman]

resupplied the Israeli military with ammunition and $225 million in emergency aid.

atleast they are getting plenty of bang for THEIR buck each, flipper.

 

[Tyger]

This ziotroll banana thinks telling stories of mass-murder by other countries/race's/creeds long ago, make what the zionist murderers are doing now OK.

Unless I am misunderstanding you and missing some subtlety, Manxman, I don't see Bananas as a ziotroll. The Mongol cite is an historical context for the Muslim experience - and a valuable one to bring. It's not an excuse for the Israeli actions.

 

[Tyger]

we got the picture, the mongols murdered millions of arabs, and you 'boys' are only murdering 1000s.

You've identified Bananas as a Jewish/Israeli Zionist? Whether he is or not should be irrelevant. I think his ideas should speak for themselves. And in this particular instance I think you've misunderstood the intent of the Mongol cite.

 

[Tyger]

Some historical context - Democracy Now! blurb: "Snowden Docs Expose Deep Israeli, U.S. Spy Ties
Documents provided by Edward Snowden have revealed the deep ties between Israeli and U.S. intelligence agencies. Writing at The Intercept, Glenn Greenwald says the leaks show "Israeli aggression would be impossible without the constant, lavish support and protection of the U.S. government." A 2013 document describes a "far-reaching technical and analytic relationship" between the National Security Agency and its Israeli counterpart against "mutually agreed upon geographic targets." The partnership includes a "dedicated communications line" supporting "the exchange of raw material, as well as daily analytic and technical correspondence." "

The interview with Norman Finkelstein is interesting. It starts at about August 5 @ 1130:
Democracy Now!
Knowing Too Much: Why the American Jewish Romance with Israel is Coming to an End
Knowing Too Much: Why the American Jewish Romance with Israel is Coming to an End: Norman G. Finkelstein: 9781935928775: Books - Amazon.ca

Here is a more direct link to the hour-long show. Finkelstein is 11:30 sec in.

August 05, 2014 | Democracy Now!

 

[Bananas]

You've identified Bananas as a Jewish/Israeli Zionist? Whether he is or not should be irrelevant. I think his ideas should speak for themselves. And in this particular instance I think you've misunderstood the intent of the Mongol cite.

It's too absurd for words. I'm an Atheist from Finland for fucks sake. The amount of fucks I give about Israel is zero.

 

[Tyger]

It's too absurd for words. I'm an Atheist from Finland for fucks sake. The amount of fucks I give about Israel is zero.

Okay. The internet is difficult because we only have text to go on. Mistakes happen. You do react swiftly, though. You have to agree. The bane of the young, the old and the in-between. None of us are exempt. Just saying. Hope you stick around.

 

[manxman]

Unless I am misunderstanding you and missing some subtlety, Manxman, I don't see Bananas as a ziotroll. The Mongol cite is an historical context for the Muslim experience - and a valuable one to bring. It's not an excuse for the Israeli actions.

You've identified Bananas as a Jewish/Israeli Zionist? Whether he is or not should be irrelevant. I think his ideas should speak for themselves. And in this particular instance I think you've misunderstood the intent of the Mongol cite.

Nah you are miss-understanding, its simple, he bit, and i re-baited.

I am un-repentent.

He is only an athiest anyway.

Ziotroll is my new buzz word, im enjoying typing it s much as i used to enjoy typing ''Bigfootologist''.

 

[Bananas]

Okay. The internet is difficult because we only have text to go on. Mistakes happen. You do react swiftly, though. You have to agree. The bane of the young, the old and the in-between. None of us are exempt. Just saying. Hope you stick around.

Yes, well, when someone starts hurling such absurd nonsense, experience tells me it's best to just ignore the person.

I also cannot comprehend how what I said could be misconstrued the way he did by a mentally stable person, sorry.

 

[Tyger]

Yes, well, when someone starts hurling such absurd nonsense, experience tells me it's best to just ignore the person.

I also cannot comprehend how what I said could be misconstrued the way he did

I agree.

by a mentally stable person, sorry.

And that's the over-reaction.

Can we wonder that the Palestinians and Israelis are locked in a death grip? Which brings to mind that old Star Trek episode that had the two combatants locked in a battle for eternity one-on-one.

 

[Tyger]

I think the most difficult part of all this is that some people - and I have a friend who feels this way - that if one 'vilifies' (the choice of word is telling) Israel, then one is 'permitting' hate crimes against Jews in the US.

This is not about anti-Semitic crazies. This is about a political entity that is behaving not simply badly but criminally. Israel is doing bad things and no amount of white-wash will change the facts. Yes they are in a difficult situation - but it will not be solved by more violence. That has to be clear. They have changed nothing with violence and oppression. They need to start recognizing that they need to stop the occupation and treat the Palestinians with respect. They have done enough bad things to know that they should fear reprisals. Someone needs to stop the revenge cycle. Israel is the bigger entity - they are the ones that need to lead the way. JMO.

 

[stonehart]

I think the most difficult part of all this is that some people - and I have a friend who feels this way - that if one 'vilifies' (the choice of word is telling) Israel, then one is 'permitting' hate crimes against Jews in the US.

This is not about anti-Semitic crazies. This is about a political entity that is behaving not simply badly but criminally. Israel is doing bad things and no amount of white-wash will change the facts. Yes they are in a difficult situation - it will not be solved by more violence. That has to be clear. They have changed nothing with violence and oppression. They need to start recognizing that they need to stop the occupation and treat the Palestinians with respect. They have done enough bad things to know that they should fear reprisals. Someone needs to stop the revenge cycle. Israel is the bigger entity - they are the ones that need to lead the way. JMO.

about the long and the short of it Tyger.
As for anti-Semitic crap that keeps getting thrown around, the Jews and the Palestinians are both Semitic peoples from what I understand. Just something to ponder.

 

[michaelangel1453]

Israel is hardly the "bigger entity." And you keep on about the US military help to Israel. Any idea who was arming the Arabs during the times they were ganging up on Israel and getting their butts kicked?

And I want to point out again that you "liked" that post containing that Red Ice interview. The whole thing is appalling and hateful and ignorant. I'd give you the exact minute point an especially hateful and stupidly ignorant rant ensued about Jews, the Germans, and World Wars I and II. Unbelievable. But you must know since you gave it your approval.

 

[boomerang]

I see you yanks have all given another dollar each to the poor oppressed zionist's, to purchaser more bullet's for snippers to put into Palestinian childrens heads.

Manx, Perhaps your citizens have some measure of informed control over their country's foreign policy. Keep in mind that average Americans do not. We didn't during Vietnam and Gulf II, and we do not now.

 

[manxman]

I know boomerang, normal people only have influence once every 5 years or so [election time], even then we only have promises to choose from.

 

[Constance]

As for the attack on the Liberty, it's definitive that the attack was indeed an attack due to mis-identification. The most recent documents show this. An horrific tragedy indeed. I won't go into detail here, but a person has to be willing to look at the details, the real hour by hour unfolding of that and not just repeat accusations in place of really getting the truth. The poster bringing it up should also learn more about the Six Day War which was hot and happening, and, for instance, not pity Syria! By the way, Egypt had moved thousands of troops into Sinai and expelled the UN. Egypt, Syria, and Jordan got their clocks cleaned bigtime and deservedly so.

I realize the Liberty was brought up in another recently begun thread on this topic, which I'm avoiding so I don't receive accusations. I hope I won't be criticized for violating some sort of thread protocol. If so, my abject apologies and I can bring it into that thread if that's more acceptable.

I suggest that you do read that thread, especially the posts by Manxman, which should set you straight concerning what happened to the Liberty with whose knowledge and approval, both in Israel and in the US.

 

[Constance]

The role the Mongols played in world history cannot be overstated. These people killed upwards of 50 million people with... SWORDS. The logistics of the executions, while utterly horrifying, is simply fascinating. Baghdad, for example, had anywhere from 300k to a million people living there+the suburbs, that's a ridiculous amount of people for the time, and they just marched the people in lines to Mongol soldiers waiting with swords. Try to imagine that, for *days* the army did nothing but execute civilians, around the clock.

Here's a Wikipedia article about it. Siege of Baghdad (1258) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The accounts of the first Muslim envoys sent to China are unreal as well. They talk about the raods turning unpassable due to all the rotting bodies on the road to Chengdu. This is fro Wikipedia: "In 1279, the Mongols sacked Chengdu and over a million of its inhabitants were estimated by author Charles Horner to have been killed"

I highly suggest everyone interested to read the "Secret History of the Mongols" as well as other sources to get the full picture.

We can't do anything about the Mongols, but we can do something about the Israeli atrocities in Gaza.

 

[boomerang]

I know boomerang, normal people only have influence once every 5 years or so [election time], even then we only have promises to choose from.

At the risk of sounding paranoid--I think it's even worse than that. A choice between candidates working for the same power brokers (perhaps the reserve banking system) is really no choice at all. You know the old joke: We are like mushrooms: kept in the dark and fed bullsh*t.

 

[michaelangel1453]

I want to get more specific about the Red Ice interview flipper posted and which tyger "liked." Some excerpts, and believe me they ain't out of context because the "context" of the whole interview was hateful and ignorant.

"...in 1933 the Zionists had basically crippled the German economy and Hitler was backed against the wall."

"...he basically got 60,000 Jews, gave them 100 million dollars, and sent them to Palestine and they stabbed him in the back after that..."

"...they stabbed Germany in the back in World War I which was what caused the Great Depression...and which created the whole World War II everything."

"...the biggest people that suffered in World War II were really the German people."

"...and the stigma they've had deal with since then, the collective guilt of the German population...so unwarranted...the German people are the ones who truly suffered in World War II."

FLIPPER POSTED THE LINK TO THIS INTERVIEW WITH ITS LEADIN AND TYGER "LIKED" IT.

I ask, Flipper and Tyger, how could you have listened to this atrocity and one of you posts it, and the other gives it the stamp of approval?

The stigma of the German people "unwarranted"? Yes, those Jews brought it on themselves is a oft repeated whine that isn't so successfully hidden here.

Please answer, Flipper and Tyger.