Bananas
Paranormal Maven
/sigh
You're rensponding to my post out of context. Look back a few pages and you'll understand the context.
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You're rensponding to my post out of context. Look back a few pages and you'll understand the context.
The bolded part is nonsense, the Russian people suffered most civilian loss, than any other nation, and they lost more troops than all the combined allied force's put together, by a long long way.
officially they lost 26.6 million people killed directly by war, when you add in starvation and being worked to death in the war effort, independent researchers in Russia have put total losses in the war, both civilians and military, at over 40 million
The US lost 407,000 troops
The UK lost 384,000 troops
Russia lost 8.7 to 10.6 million troops
Germany lost 5 million troops
China lost 3.5 million troops
japan lost 2.1 million troops
There's slightly differing numbers from different Institutions compiling the numbers, whichever way you peel this onion Russian deaths account for more than 50% of the total deaths in world war 2 estimated at between 55 to 85 million people.
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flipper
Paranormal Adept
I hope that you can forgive me for posting the Interview I have asked Gene to delete it. Again it is INDEFENSIBLE and I apologize for the offensive statements that you have listed.
stonehart
Paranormal Adept
Online Petition Calling for Israeli Officials to be Tried at ICC
We demand that Intl. Criminal Court & UN charge Benjamin Netanyahu & Israel for War Crimes against Humanity
We demand that Intl. Criminal Court & UN charge Benjamin Netanyahu & Israel for War Crimes against Humanity
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
Resistance Is Not Futile
LINK: Resistance Is Not Futile
TEXT: "The numbers are small, but there are Israeli military resisters actively fighting the occupation of Palestine within the borders of Israel. These draft age teenagers face enormous pressure from their government, family and peers to perpetuate state racism and the siege of the occupied territories. Despite the pressure, these brave Israelis adhere to their conscience and stand for justice in a society that increasingly rejects it. In addition to supporting the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement, resisting the Israeli occupation of Palestine from outside Israel involves standing in solidarity with those Israelis who find the courage to say, "I refuse." It is also the responsibility of US conscientious objectors like myself, to see the struggle of Israeli military resisters as part of our own struggle against US imperialism here at home.
[...]
"We are using refusal as a tool against the occupation, to end the occupation," Segal said. He was referring to 50 other sarvanim - Hebrew for "refuseniks" - who are members of the group Breaking the Silence, that wrote a letter to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in early March 2014. In the letter, they expressed their collective "opposition to the military occupation of Palestinian territories," where "human rights are violated, and acts defined under international law as war-crimes are perpetuated on a daily basis." There are now over 130 signatories to the letter, according to Segal."
LINK: Resistance Is Not Futile
TEXT: "The numbers are small, but there are Israeli military resisters actively fighting the occupation of Palestine within the borders of Israel. These draft age teenagers face enormous pressure from their government, family and peers to perpetuate state racism and the siege of the occupied territories. Despite the pressure, these brave Israelis adhere to their conscience and stand for justice in a society that increasingly rejects it. In addition to supporting the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement, resisting the Israeli occupation of Palestine from outside Israel involves standing in solidarity with those Israelis who find the courage to say, "I refuse." It is also the responsibility of US conscientious objectors like myself, to see the struggle of Israeli military resisters as part of our own struggle against US imperialism here at home.
[...]
"We are using refusal as a tool against the occupation, to end the occupation," Segal said. He was referring to 50 other sarvanim - Hebrew for "refuseniks" - who are members of the group Breaking the Silence, that wrote a letter to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in early March 2014. In the letter, they expressed their collective "opposition to the military occupation of Palestinian territories," where "human rights are violated, and acts defined under international law as war-crimes are perpetuated on a daily basis." There are now over 130 signatories to the letter, according to Segal."
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
Came into my in-box today -
LINK: We demand that Intl. Criminal Court & UN charge Benjamin Netanyahu & Israel for War Crimes against Humanity
LINK: We demand that Intl. Criminal Court & UN charge Benjamin Netanyahu & Israel for War Crimes against Humanity
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
Charlie Rose round-table discussion on Gaza situation - starts at approx 16:00.
John Micklethwait, editor of the Economist. A discussion about Palestinians and their leadership after latest outbreak of violence in Gaza with Nadia Bilbassy-Charters, Khaled Elgindy, Rula Jebreal and Yousef Munayyer.
LINK: Charlie Rose | charlierose.com
John Micklethwait, editor of the Economist. A discussion about Palestinians and their leadership after latest outbreak of violence in Gaza with Nadia Bilbassy-Charters, Khaled Elgindy, Rula Jebreal and Yousef Munayyer.
LINK: Charlie Rose | charlierose.com
kanakaris
Paranormal Adept
Excellent broadcast.
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
LINK: Hamas Was Founded by Mossad - War Is Crime
TEXT: By Hassane Zerrouky | Global Research via Conspiracy Planet 18,186 VIEWS
December 29, 2008
[The article below originally appeared in the French daily L'Humanité on December 14, 2001, translated to English by Global Outlook in 2002, and published by Global Research in March 2004. It shows how the so-called Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) was founded by Israel's Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks (Mossad) with the strategic purpose to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State.
Notice the striking similarity with the creation over 50 years ago by the British MI5, the CIA and the same Mossad of what is now known as the "global terror" (based on the real Arab terrorist groups founded earlier by the German Nazis). Trained, armed and funded by the Global Elite, the fabled enemies are used as a smokescreen to hide who all these wars are really against: wherever you live, these wars are against your freedom, they are against you. — War Is Crime.]
Thanks to the Mossad, Israel’s “Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks”, the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories.
Meanwhile, Arafat’s Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation
Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, “Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)”.
Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement.
According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), “The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority”in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza.
“They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad.”
The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an “Islamic University” in Gaza. “The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza.”
At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad (Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks), the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression.
In 1984, Ahmed Yassin was arrested and condemned to twelve years in prison, after the discovery of a hidden arms cache. But one year later, he was set free and resumed his activities. And when the Intifada (“uprising”) began, in October 1987, which took the Islamists by surprise, Sheik Yassin responded by creating the Hamas (The Islamic Resistance Movement): “God is our beginning, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution”, proclaims article 7 of the charter of the organization.
Ahmed Yassin was in prison when, the Oslo accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government) were signed in September 1993. The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.
The Hamas then launched a carefully timed campaign of attacks against civilians who were already poverty stricken and living in metal sheds, one day before the meeting between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators, regarding the formal recognition of Israel by the National Palestinian Council. These events were largely instrumental in the formation of a Right wing Israeli government following the May 1996 elections.
Quite unexpectedly, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered Sheik Ahmed Yassin to be released from prison (“on humanitarian grounds”) where he was serving a life sentence. Meanwhile, Netanyahu, together with President Bill Clinton, was putting pressure on Arafat to control the Hamas. In fact, Netanyahu knew that he could rely, once more, on the Islamists to sabotage the Oslo accords.
Worse still: after having expelled Yassin to Jordan, Prime Minister Netanyahu allowed him to return to Gaza, where he was welcomed triumphantly as a hero in October 1997.
Arafat was helpless in the face of these events. Moreover, because he had supported Saddam Hussein during the1991 Gulf war (while the Hamas had cautiously abstained from taking sides), the Gulf states decided to cut off their financing of the Palestinian Authority. Meanwhile, between February and April 1998, Sheik Ahmad Yassin was able to raise several hundred million dollars, from those same countries.
The budget of the Hamas was said to be greater than that of the Palestinian Authority. These new sources of funding enabled the Islamists to effectively pursue their various charitable activities. It is estimated that one Palestinian out of three is the recipient of financial aid from the Hamas. And in this regard, Israel has done nothing to curb the inflow of money into the occupied territories.
The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords.
In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State.
And in this regard, Hamas and Ariel Sharon, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.
TEXT: By Hassane Zerrouky | Global Research via Conspiracy Planet 18,186 VIEWS
December 29, 2008
[The article below originally appeared in the French daily L'Humanité on December 14, 2001, translated to English by Global Outlook in 2002, and published by Global Research in March 2004. It shows how the so-called Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) was founded by Israel's Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks (Mossad) with the strategic purpose to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State.
Notice the striking similarity with the creation over 50 years ago by the British MI5, the CIA and the same Mossad of what is now known as the "global terror" (based on the real Arab terrorist groups founded earlier by the German Nazis). Trained, armed and funded by the Global Elite, the fabled enemies are used as a smokescreen to hide who all these wars are really against: wherever you live, these wars are against your freedom, they are against you. — War Is Crime.]
Thanks to the Mossad, Israel’s “Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks”, the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories.
Meanwhile, Arafat’s Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation
Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, “Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)”.
Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement.
According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), “The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority”in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza.
“They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad.”
The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an “Islamic University” in Gaza. “The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza.”
At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad (Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks), the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression.
In 1984, Ahmed Yassin was arrested and condemned to twelve years in prison, after the discovery of a hidden arms cache. But one year later, he was set free and resumed his activities. And when the Intifada (“uprising”) began, in October 1987, which took the Islamists by surprise, Sheik Yassin responded by creating the Hamas (The Islamic Resistance Movement): “God is our beginning, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution”, proclaims article 7 of the charter of the organization.
Ahmed Yassin was in prison when, the Oslo accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government) were signed in September 1993. The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.
The Hamas then launched a carefully timed campaign of attacks against civilians who were already poverty stricken and living in metal sheds, one day before the meeting between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators, regarding the formal recognition of Israel by the National Palestinian Council. These events were largely instrumental in the formation of a Right wing Israeli government following the May 1996 elections.
Quite unexpectedly, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered Sheik Ahmed Yassin to be released from prison (“on humanitarian grounds”) where he was serving a life sentence. Meanwhile, Netanyahu, together with President Bill Clinton, was putting pressure on Arafat to control the Hamas. In fact, Netanyahu knew that he could rely, once more, on the Islamists to sabotage the Oslo accords.
Worse still: after having expelled Yassin to Jordan, Prime Minister Netanyahu allowed him to return to Gaza, where he was welcomed triumphantly as a hero in October 1997.
Arafat was helpless in the face of these events. Moreover, because he had supported Saddam Hussein during the1991 Gulf war (while the Hamas had cautiously abstained from taking sides), the Gulf states decided to cut off their financing of the Palestinian Authority. Meanwhile, between February and April 1998, Sheik Ahmad Yassin was able to raise several hundred million dollars, from those same countries.
The budget of the Hamas was said to be greater than that of the Palestinian Authority. These new sources of funding enabled the Islamists to effectively pursue their various charitable activities. It is estimated that one Palestinian out of three is the recipient of financial aid from the Hamas. And in this regard, Israel has done nothing to curb the inflow of money into the occupied territories.
The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords.
In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State.
And in this regard, Hamas and Ariel Sharon, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.
stonehart
Paranormal Adept
Yeah posted that one a few posts above.. urge as many who care to sign it... not that it will do much good but hey we have to some thing.
150 + International Legal Experts: Israel Has Committed War Crimes ... Should be Referred to the International Criminal Court Washington's Blog
No one asks to be born into the skin they are born in, no one chooses to be born black white or jewish.
Radical Islam doesnt understand this
Just by being born Jewish you are an infidel, and infidels must be put to death, because Allah commands it.
Sydney jihadist's son poses with severed head in sickening photo
This 9 year old boy has no cause for vengance, hes seen holding a severed head because his religion demands it. He was born and raised here in Sydney Australia, he has no cause for vengance. But his father took him to Syria and gave him a gun, is teaching him the only good infidel is a beheaded one
If these barbarians were howling at your door, intent on killing you and your family for no other reason than the skin lifes lottery gave you.......
You'd reserve the right to defend yourself too.
This reeks of anti semitism folks
When china invades and opresses tibet....... no 18 page threads on that
When the IS invades and beheads infidels in Iraq, no 18 page threads on that
When Buddists in asia are beheaded by radical islamists, nada not a word
But when Jewish people defend themselves against attacks provoked only by some religious edict handed down centuries ago calling for their total extermination..........
Hamas, radical islam wants this fight, Israel doesnt
Your pointing the finger at the effect not the cause.
Listen to that cleric in the clip above, its not about palestine, Israel could pack up and move lock stock and barrell to the south pole.
They would still hunt them down and exterminate them, because Allah has commanded it.
This is not about vengance, its not about territory or grievances, that 9 year old with the severed infidels head has only one reason for doing so
Allah commands it.
If they ever do exterminate all the jewish people as they clearly want to, dont think they wont come for you next
The group over the last few months has seized territory in both Iraq and Syria and declared an Islamic caliphate, doing so by slaughtering those who don't espouse their goals.
It started in the 7th century, when the prophet Mohammed accused the Jews of treason to justify killing and expelling them and taking over their wealth. To explain this away, he stated that Jews are worthy of this treatment since they are the descendants of apes pigs and enemies of Allah
These clowns want to impose a 7th century ideology on us here in the 21st century, thats whats happening in gaza.
There can be no peace, Islam doesnt want peace it wants to rid the world of infidels starting with jewish people, but we are infidels too..........
I know which side im on in this conflict
Radical Islam doesnt understand this
Just by being born Jewish you are an infidel, and infidels must be put to death, because Allah commands it.
Sydney jihadist's son poses with severed head in sickening photo
This 9 year old boy has no cause for vengance, hes seen holding a severed head because his religion demands it. He was born and raised here in Sydney Australia, he has no cause for vengance. But his father took him to Syria and gave him a gun, is teaching him the only good infidel is a beheaded one
If these barbarians were howling at your door, intent on killing you and your family for no other reason than the skin lifes lottery gave you.......
You'd reserve the right to defend yourself too.
This reeks of anti semitism folks
When china invades and opresses tibet....... no 18 page threads on that
When the IS invades and beheads infidels in Iraq, no 18 page threads on that
When Buddists in asia are beheaded by radical islamists, nada not a word
But when Jewish people defend themselves against attacks provoked only by some religious edict handed down centuries ago calling for their total extermination..........
Hamas, radical islam wants this fight, Israel doesnt
Your pointing the finger at the effect not the cause.
Listen to that cleric in the clip above, its not about palestine, Israel could pack up and move lock stock and barrell to the south pole.
They would still hunt them down and exterminate them, because Allah has commanded it.
This is not about vengance, its not about territory or grievances, that 9 year old with the severed infidels head has only one reason for doing so
Allah commands it.
If they ever do exterminate all the jewish people as they clearly want to, dont think they wont come for you next
The group over the last few months has seized territory in both Iraq and Syria and declared an Islamic caliphate, doing so by slaughtering those who don't espouse their goals.
It started in the 7th century, when the prophet Mohammed accused the Jews of treason to justify killing and expelling them and taking over their wealth. To explain this away, he stated that Jews are worthy of this treatment since they are the descendants of apes pigs and enemies of Allah
These clowns want to impose a 7th century ideology on us here in the 21st century, thats whats happening in gaza.
There can be no peace, Islam doesnt want peace it wants to rid the world of infidels starting with jewish people, but we are infidels too..........
I know which side im on in this conflict
stonehart
Paranormal Adept
man I am so with you on that.
flipper
Paranormal Adept
Israel Is Bad for The Jews, Part 2
I would have become a rich man in the Fiddler in The Roof sense if each of the insults, putdowns and venomous asides about my recent article, “Israel Is Bad For The Jews,” had a monetary value.
For so many years, we used to joke, “Five Jews, Ten Opinions,” as a comment about the perennial, ongoing and never ending arguments and debates that made our culture so rich with its many religious tendencies—Reform, Conservative and Orthodox, and their many spinoffs competing over the best way to serve God.
Politically, we had more organizations and positions than any one Jew has fingers, as conservatives battled liberals, Zionists quarreled with anti-Zionists, and the many factions of the left and the right battled each other.
This rich diversity of perspective is what spawned so many passionate writers, and engaged intellectuals to pick over the carcass of our history, and its many interpretations of what Judaism is and what are the right values and beliefs to guide us.
Even in our Passover Seders, in the modern form and ancient traditions, we sang of our differences, with subtlety and irony. There were always moral choices. Never one answer!
“Dayenu” anyone?
Isn’t it sad today when Jewish critics write about Israel, the content of their concerns are dismissed, a priori, and answered by by an endless spew of personal attacks on their character.
...................................
My article appeared on several sites including The JewishReporter.com. I was told that many of the site’s supporters demanded I be silenced, and my article be taken down, I guess as heresy.
(It’s too bad the “Scarlet Letter” is not in vogue anymore even if Jews know all too well the way how our ancestors were forced to wear stars of David and later concentration camp numbers. It didn’t matter what you thought, it was who you were,)
Dr, Avi Perry, a technologist who appears on PalTalk
shot off a “Dear Danny” letter to me to share his wounded feelings:
“I have known you as a far-leftist who bashes Israel at every opportunity, but your recent article, titled: “Israel Gives Jews A Bad Name” exposed your own ingrained Jew-hating tendencies….
“Your article and your assertions are wreaked with the same blind spots that every antisemite and every Jew-hater embraces inside their souls.
“Calling Israel an apartheid state is an insult to the word – apartheid. Did South Africa afford voting rights to its black residents? Did the true apartheid regime have a black resident on their Supreme Court? Did they have blacks (who preached white genocide) as members of Parliament? Did white folks in apartheid South Africa work for black supervisors? Did black doctors work in white hospitals, treating white folks as well? There are hundreds more examples of how prejudiced you are. You clearly don’t know what you are talking about.
“You quote Noam Chomsky — the most supreme Jew-hater in history. (I noted that he said Israel was not like South Africa, but worse!)
“You provide proof for Meir Lansky’s crimes from a movie —a fiction-based novel” Etc. Etc.
Oops, and now, the closer: “And finally, there is plenty more I could say to you and to those who share your antisemitic views. But it will take a whole book, and I’m not in the mood to write one at this moment.”
Israel Is Bad for The Jews, Part 2 | Global Research
I would have become a rich man in the Fiddler in The Roof sense if each of the insults, putdowns and venomous asides about my recent article, “Israel Is Bad For The Jews,” had a monetary value.
For so many years, we used to joke, “Five Jews, Ten Opinions,” as a comment about the perennial, ongoing and never ending arguments and debates that made our culture so rich with its many religious tendencies—Reform, Conservative and Orthodox, and their many spinoffs competing over the best way to serve God.
Politically, we had more organizations and positions than any one Jew has fingers, as conservatives battled liberals, Zionists quarreled with anti-Zionists, and the many factions of the left and the right battled each other.
This rich diversity of perspective is what spawned so many passionate writers, and engaged intellectuals to pick over the carcass of our history, and its many interpretations of what Judaism is and what are the right values and beliefs to guide us.
Even in our Passover Seders, in the modern form and ancient traditions, we sang of our differences, with subtlety and irony. There were always moral choices. Never one answer!
“Dayenu” anyone?
Isn’t it sad today when Jewish critics write about Israel, the content of their concerns are dismissed, a priori, and answered by by an endless spew of personal attacks on their character.
...................................
My article appeared on several sites including The JewishReporter.com. I was told that many of the site’s supporters demanded I be silenced, and my article be taken down, I guess as heresy.
(It’s too bad the “Scarlet Letter” is not in vogue anymore even if Jews know all too well the way how our ancestors were forced to wear stars of David and later concentration camp numbers. It didn’t matter what you thought, it was who you were,)
Dr, Avi Perry, a technologist who appears on PalTalk
shot off a “Dear Danny” letter to me to share his wounded feelings:
“I have known you as a far-leftist who bashes Israel at every opportunity, but your recent article, titled: “Israel Gives Jews A Bad Name” exposed your own ingrained Jew-hating tendencies….
“Your article and your assertions are wreaked with the same blind spots that every antisemite and every Jew-hater embraces inside their souls.
“Calling Israel an apartheid state is an insult to the word – apartheid. Did South Africa afford voting rights to its black residents? Did the true apartheid regime have a black resident on their Supreme Court? Did they have blacks (who preached white genocide) as members of Parliament? Did white folks in apartheid South Africa work for black supervisors? Did black doctors work in white hospitals, treating white folks as well? There are hundreds more examples of how prejudiced you are. You clearly don’t know what you are talking about.
“You quote Noam Chomsky — the most supreme Jew-hater in history. (I noted that he said Israel was not like South Africa, but worse!)
“You provide proof for Meir Lansky’s crimes from a movie —a fiction-based novel” Etc. Etc.
Oops, and now, the closer: “And finally, there is plenty more I could say to you and to those who share your antisemitic views. But it will take a whole book, and I’m not in the mood to write one at this moment.”
Israel Is Bad for The Jews, Part 2 | Global Research
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
Thank you, Flipper. Also in that article is this, from a group of Holocaust survivors and their descendants -
" “…we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to promote blatant falsehoods used to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of nearly 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water [...]…We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!” "
Powerful, distraught words by Jews about Israeli political actions. Not about Judaism.
The same goes for Islam. Muslims of every persuasion are painted with the broad brush of political fanatics and religious fundamentalists. Muslims too watch with abhorrence at the actions of the extreme element.
Tons of stuff can be said about Christians. Is it ever the whole story? Is it ever, no matter what religion? Human nature is human nature. It is not 'over there' - it is here and now in our reactions of hate and fear and calls for vengence and obliteration. It's not for nothing that fear is a money-making industry.
Haters are gonna hate as the saying goes. Matters not the cloth being used, what religious or political or economic theory, a patchwork of rationales will be assembled to make the argument to justify the hate, the fear, the suspicion, the paranoia, that sets in motion the vengeance. Such are merely vehicles to get the hater to the desired level of rage. People who have their minds clouded by such passions, fanned by 'facts and information', can be used in any number of ways by the unscrupulous. It is the one area where it becomes clear that pure reason fails us. Something else needs to be called upon, else we all go down in flames.
" “…we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to promote blatant falsehoods used to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of nearly 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water [...]…We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!” "
Powerful, distraught words by Jews about Israeli political actions. Not about Judaism.
The same goes for Islam. Muslims of every persuasion are painted with the broad brush of political fanatics and religious fundamentalists. Muslims too watch with abhorrence at the actions of the extreme element.
Tons of stuff can be said about Christians. Is it ever the whole story? Is it ever, no matter what religion? Human nature is human nature. It is not 'over there' - it is here and now in our reactions of hate and fear and calls for vengence and obliteration. It's not for nothing that fear is a money-making industry.
Haters are gonna hate as the saying goes. Matters not the cloth being used, what religious or political or economic theory, a patchwork of rationales will be assembled to make the argument to justify the hate, the fear, the suspicion, the paranoia, that sets in motion the vengeance. Such are merely vehicles to get the hater to the desired level of rage. People who have their minds clouded by such passions, fanned by 'facts and information', can be used in any number of ways by the unscrupulous. It is the one area where it becomes clear that pure reason fails us. Something else needs to be called upon, else we all go down in flames.
Mike's a decent bloke, has been since i joined here, and still is, and is still being treated with the same respect he shows to others, by others.
That's how he can be sure this thread and some of the posting in it, are anti Israel [state], and not anti Israeli.
Here now mike is wrong to be even hinting at anti semitism, it's an old and very very tired tactic, dont go down that road mike.
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This reeks of anti semitism folks
The group of Holocaust survivors sum up what the world really thinks, the world doesnt care about your 10,000 year history
of mutual hatred and bloodshed, it has to stop.
Mike your last 2 postings, have been pleading, finger pointing, justification postings, and as one holocaust surviver note's, there is no justifying the unjustifiable.
we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to promote blatant falsehoods used to justify the unjustifiable:
Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of nearly 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!” "
That's how he can be sure this thread and some of the posting in it, are anti Israel [state], and not anti Israeli.
Here now mike is wrong to be even hinting at anti semitism, it's an old and very very tired tactic, dont go down that road mike.
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This reeks of anti semitism folks
The group of Holocaust survivors sum up what the world really thinks, the world doesnt care about your 10,000 year history
of mutual hatred and bloodshed, it has to stop.
Mike your last 2 postings, have been pleading, finger pointing, justification postings, and as one holocaust surviver note's, there is no justifying the unjustifiable.
we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to promote blatant falsehoods used to justify the unjustifiable:
Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of nearly 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!” "
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flipper
Paranormal Adept
I really like your reply. All of it. I think that the something other than pure reason is willing ourselves to justice and honesty. This must over rule our emotions. We must want to change when we are wrong. In that light we can see things for what they are. Thank you again for your reply.
flipper
Paranormal Adept
Your posting Manxman are what I have been thinking. Thank you for saying it such a kind manner and so very clearly.