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Youve been calling for solutions in this and other threads on the topic.

So whats your solution to an opponent who values death over life ?
Whats your solution to an opponent driven by a 7th century ideology to exterminate you for no other reason than his magic sky man says its his obligation to do so.

Whats the solution for the poor sods, who through no choice of their own were born into a skin via the lottery of life that comes with a big red target on the back as the default setting ?

So far all ive seen as a solution from you is blaming the victims for being targets, blaming them for defending themselves against an enemy that has no reason to kill them other than some stupid superstition that commands they do so .

Whats the solution ?
 
Read the links, Mike. It's all there. It's all been discussed. It's an on-going conversation. Think about it.

What is the solution? Think it through.
 
Read the links, Mike. It's all there. It's all been discussed. It's an on-going conversation. Think about it.

What is the solution? Think it through.

Humour me and answer the questions again here and now

Specifically

Whats your solution to an opponent who values death over life ?


Whats your solution to an opponent driven by a 7th century ideology to exterminate you for no other reason than his magic sky man says its his obligation to do so.

Whats the solution for the poor sods, who through no choice of their own were born into a skin via the lottery of life that comes with a big red target on the back as the default setting ?
 
Humour me and answer the questions again here and now

Not interested.

Specifically

Whats your solution to an opponent who values death over life ?

What's your solution? Drive them into the sea? Imprison them?

Think through how you view things. How will the way you view things end?

Whats your solution to an opponent driven by a 7th century ideology to exterminate you for no other reason than his magic sky man says its his obligation to do so.

I've given the answer. You just can't hear it.

Whats the solution for the poor sods, who through no choice of their own were born into a skin via the lottery of life that comes with a big red target on the back as the default setting ?

What do you think? What are the lessons of history? Think it through.


Jon Stewart - "We cannot be Israel's rehab sponsor and its drug dealer " on Israel, Hamas cease-fire
 
There's a lot of propaganda and demonizing of specific collections of people here that sometimes might forget in both nations there are people who hate war and have lost children to war. There have been generations and generations of whole families lost to centuries of hatred, terror: wasted bloodshed.

All Israelis are not Zionists. Not all Palestinians are Hammas. Not everyone is the enemy. Not all Paestinians believe in death. Not all Israelis believe Palestinians should be treated as second class citizens and be boxed in, kicked out of their homes with no where to go. But both sides teach their children to hate and be preared for war. Be Prepared To Die For Your Nation. I suppose Dr. Seuss' The Butter Battle book never made it there, or at least those ideas never got past two devastating histories of murder, violent displacement, terror and genocide. They continue to bomb each other's children. Children bombing other children. What does it take for such realities to pass?

Israel has a right to exist. So does Palestine. And I won't bore you with reposting the fragmented shrinking image of Palestine, a land in tatters, but it's important to see that image of a history of peoples who have had their lives & heritage disrupted violently, their homes & lands appropriated and walled off by another people, neighbours, busy establishing their own geographical heritage. And when i see Israel i see a people who are told repeatedly they have no right to exist, are routinely threatened with obliteration by geopolitical neighbours, and now build their wall around themselves the way Afrikaners built their Laager around themselves, for protection, and ultimately isolation. Some lessons are never learned. As in South Africa, so too in the Middle East.

But unlike Seuss' parable there is a gross inequity in the middle east, Mike, and that history has produced the smashing of a peoples who are now grasping at straws, have no strong leaders able to move Palestine forward without more violence. Palestinian leaders have only their own sense of violent retribution, which is also raw in the streets, to fuel the collective memory of what it's like to live through a slow genocide & overt apartheid. It's easier to side with an underdog with a history of ongoing violent oppression & deprivation. It's also easy to paint Palestine as Jihadists hiding weapons in schools, hospitals & neighborhoods. I wonder how many of those neighbours have lost children to bombs?

What we're watching unfold here are the last desperate flailings of an impoverished people under siege. It is what it is and sympathies go where they go.
 
Good link - Thank you. :)

On the Misrepresentations of Gaza in Canadian News Coverage

Middle East Professor Ariel Salzmann and activist Azeezah Kanji cite specific examples of how Canadian media has misrepresented the ongoing assault and how the Harper government aims to fuel this conflict to ensure high prices for Tar Sands oil - August 11, 14
 
Not interested.



What's your solution? Drive them into the sea? Imprison them?

Think through how you view things. How will the way you view things end?



I've given the answer. You just can't hear it.



What do you think? What are the lessons of history? Think it through.


Jon Stewart - "We cannot be Israel's rehab sponsor and its drug dealer " on Israel, Hamas cease-fire

Yep as i suspected you have no answers, no solutions.

Youve been asked to answer 3 questions, youve refused to do so.

I'll posit a reason why, you have none.

There is no solution to an opponent who values a Martyrs death over life itself,
There is no solution to an ideology from the 7th century that wants total extermination not peace
There is no way people who as a result of lifes lottery are targets of this ideology can do anything but die as per its desire, or fight back and defend themselves.

Your solution is to blame the poor sod who runs over a child on a freeway, and not the sick bastard who threw it out there for his own political purposes.

Your opinions are via the western cultures filters of life being more valuable than death, so you lack the necessary insight to truly understand the situation, all you can see is the child and the car, the person who pushed the child into traffic is invisible to you.
Naturally you see only the tragic result and not the criminal responsible.
Not being able to fully grasp the entirety of the situation, you draw limited and shortsighted conclusions.
 
There's a lot of propaganda and demonizing of specific collections of people here that sometimes might forget in both nations there are people who hate war and have lost children to war. There have been generations and generations of whole families lost to centuries of hatred, terror: wasted bloodshed.

All Israelis are not Zionists. Not all Palestinians are Hammas. Not everyone is the enemy. Not all Paestinians believe in death. Not all Israelis believe Palestinians should be treated as second class citizens and be boxed in, kicked out of their homes with no where to go. But both sides teach their children to hate and be preared for war. Be Prepared To Die For Your Nation. I suppose Dr. Seuss' The Butter Battle book never made it there, or at least those ideas never got past two devastating histories of murder, violent displacement, terror and genocide. They continue to bomb each other's children. Children bombing other children. What does it take for such realities to pass?

Israel has a right to exist. So does Palestine. And I won't bore you with reposting the fragmented shrinking image of Palestine, a land in tatters, but it's important to see that image of a history of peoples who have had their lives & heritage disrupted violently, their homes & lands appropriated and walled off by another people, neighbours, busy establishing their own geographical heritage. And when i see Israel i see a people who are told repeatedly they have no right to exist, are routinely threatened with obliteration by geopolitical neighbours, and now build their wall around themselves the way Afrikaners built their Laager around themselves, for protection, and ultimately isolation. Some lessons are never learned. As in South Africa, so too in the Middle East.

But unlike Seuss' parable there is a gross inequity in the middle east, Mike, and that history has produced the smashing of a peoples who are now grasping at straws, have no strong leaders able to move Palestine forward without more violence. Palestinian leaders have only their own sense of violent retribution, which is also raw in the streets, to fuel the collective memory of what it's like to live through a slow genocide & overt apartheid. It's easier to side with an underdog with a history of ongoing violent oppression & deprivation. It's also easy to paint Palestine as Jihadists hiding weapons in schools, hospitals & neighborhoods. I wonder how many of those neighbours have lost children to bombs?

What we're watching unfold here are the last desperate flailings of an impoverished people under siege. It is what it is and sympathies go where they go.

I dont disagree with you that the palestinians are getting a raw deal, but the fact remains that Hamas and its religious based jihad is happy to use them .

Its not just Israel thats to blame here, As the title of this thread and its contents would suggest.

Hamas’ human shields policy has been a longstanding ploy which the leaders of the terror organization attempt to sell to its population as being noble; a chance to be martyred should circumstances dictate.

As far back as 2008 Fathi Hammad, a representative of Hamas, justified his organization’s cynical use of human shields, explaining on Al Aqsa TV, “For the Palestinian people death has become an industry at which women excel, and so do all people on this land: the elderly excel, the Jihad fighters excel, and the children excel. Accordingly [Palestinians] created a human shield of women, children, the elderly, and the Jihad fighters, against the Zionist bombing machine, as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death as you desire life.”

We are dealing with a participant who does not value life , thats very hard for us in the west to get our heads around, its alien to our mindsets.
Our brains just cant think from this pov.

How do you deal with an opponent who desires both your death and their own, what leverage can you apply ?

What, other than your own death can you bring to the negotiations for peace ?

Anyone who can answer this question can save a lot of lives, your all smart people tell me the answer............

If the goal of your opponent is your extermination and own death in the process, what can you bring to the peace negotiations ?

Radical Islam does not want peace with the jewish people, it wants one thing Total extermination.

There is no solution because the problem is a bunch of barely sentient simians arguing and killing each other over what to call an imaginary magic sky man.

There is no point wringing our hands over whos right and whos wrong, its all pile of stinking human stupidity.

The disproportionate death toll has nothing to do with whos the good guy and whos the bad guy, its down to who has the better weapons tech.

Thats the bottom line here, and good luck to whoever can find an effective counter to such monumental stupidity
 
Yep as I suspected you have no answers, no solutions.

You've been asked to answer 3 questions, you've refused to do so.

You don't get it. You are not reading. You are not listening. You've understood nothing.

I've asked you tons of questions. You've answered none of them.

I refuse to dance to your tune, and to you it's a triumph, proving some obscure point you appear to be trying to make.

I watched you and Randall do this on another thread. I didn't play then. I won't now. Why does that bother you?

Walk on.
 
You don't get it. You are not reading. You are not listening. You've understood nothing.

I've asked you tons of questions. You've answered none of them.

I refuse to dance to your tune, and to you it's a triumph, proving some obscure point you appear to be trying to make.

I watched you and Randall do this on another thread. I didn't play then. I won't now. Why does that bother you?

Walk on.

You cant answer these questions i get that, dont pretend that you wont, when the truth is you cant

If you could, you'd have done so and saved us all some time.

You have no answers, no solutions we get that

But ill ask again anyway

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How would you deal with a mindset that calls for your beheading just for daring to insult their imaginary sky man ?

These images are from Sydney Australia, but they reflect the core belief of islam

Its a simple question, im sure you can do it if you think about it
 
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You cant answer these questions i get that, dont pretend that you wont, when the truth is you cant

If you could you'd have done so and saved us all some time.

You have no answers, no solutions we get that

I pretend nothing. I've pretended nothing. It's all in your head. You need to start answering questions rather than playing the provocateur to your inner game.

It's you who have taken up time on this thread, not me.

Do you have answers? Solutions? Rather than trying desperately to get another's attention, why not post your views forthrightly, without playing footsie with another poster. You are under the illusion that you are talking to me. Why that is, I don't know. Walk on, bro.
 
Yes you are, you are pretending that you wont answer the questions, when the truth is you cant.

Go ahead prove me wrong.............................
 
Lets do this , one question each i'll answer yours if you answer mine

121460-sydney-riot.gif


Whats the solution to a mindset that calls for your beheading for insulting their magic sky man ?

Note the total disregard for police in the shot, Police cars were smashed and a police horse injured in this example.

These people had lost no territory, far from it. had suffered no local persecution.
Someone outside Australia had made some video about mohammed and they went troppo here, destroying private property in their rage

You answer that and pose one of your own, i will answer it.
 
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Heres another one

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Again Sydney Australia, this boy has no reasonable cause for vengance.

Why is he holding a sign calling for a punishment we all know is totally disproportionate and uncivilised

Whats the solution to a mindset that calls for beheadings because they think their imaginary magic sky man has been insulted
 
Too hard ?

Perhaps another question might be one you can answer

According to the Quran, Jesus, although appearing to have been crucified, was not killed by crucifixion or by any other means

Like all prophets in Islam, Jesus is considered a Muslim (i.e., one who submits to the will of God), as he preached that his followers should adopt the "straight path" as commanded by God. Traditionally Islam teaches the rejection of the Trinitarian Christian view that Jesus was God incarnate or the son of God. The Quran says that Jesus himself never claimed to be the Son of God, and it furthermore indicates that Jesus will deny having ever claimed divinity at the Last Judgment, and God will vindicate him.[5] Islamic texts forbid the association of partners with God (shirk), emphasizing a strict notion of monotheism (tawhīd). An alternative interpretation of this theology is held by Messianic Muslims.

Do you believe that in accordance with muslim tradition, jesus was a Muslim who did not die on the cross, and that he was just another prophet like Mohammed ?
That jesus was not in fact the son of god.
And that Mohammad is a valid messenger of god, and that as the most recent of gods messengers is the more significant one

The simple answer is Yes

Can i get a Yes ? or is it a no from you ?
 
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The eminent Danish psychologist Nicolai Sennels has studied the ideology of Islam and how it affects Muslims. He has concluded it creates monsters/psychopaths

Here he writes:
Psychopathic people and behaviour are found within all cultures and religions. But one tops them all — by many lengths. The daily mass killings, terror, persecutions and family executions committed by the followers of Islam are nauseating, and the ingenuity behind the attacks — always looking for new and more effective ways of killing and terrorising people — is astonishing: hijacking jumbo jets and flying them into skyscrapers, hunting unarmed and innocent people with grenades and automatic rifles in shopping malls, planting bombs in one’s own body, using model airplanes as drones, attaching large rotating blades to pickup trucks and using them as human lawn movers, killing family members with acid or fire, hanging people publicly from cranes in front of cheering crowds, etc. It makes one ask oneself: what creates such lack of empathy and almost playful and creative attitude towards murdering perceived enemies?



Studying the Muslim mind
Nobody is born a mass murderer, a rapist or a violent criminal. So what is it in the Muslim culture that influence their children in a way that make so relatively many Muslims harm other people?

As a psychologist in a Danish youth prison, I had a unique chance to study the mentality of Muslims. 70 percent of youth offenders in Denmark have a Muslim background. I was able to compare them with non-Muslim clients from the same age group with more or less the same social background. I came to the conclusion that Islam and Muslim culture have certain psychological mechanisms that harm people’s development and increase criminal behaviour.

I am, of course, aware that Muslims are different, and not all Muslims follow the Quran’s violent and perverted message and their prophet’s equally embarrassing example. But as with all other religions, Islam also influences its followers and the culture they live in.

One could talk about two groups of psychological mechanisms, that both singly and combined increase violent behaviour. One group is mainly connected with religion, which aims at indoctrinating Islamic values in children as early as possible and with whatever means necessary, including violence and intimidation. One can understand a Muslim parent’s concern about his offspring’s religious choices, because the sharia orders the death penalty for their children, should they pick another religion than their parents. The other group of mechanisms are more cultural and psychological. These cultural psychological mechanisms are a natural consequence of being influenced by a religion like Islam and stemming from a 1,400 year old tribal society with very limited freedom to develop beyond what the religion allows.

Classical brainwashing methods in the upbringing
Brainwashing people into believing or doing things against their own human nature — such as hating or even killing innocents they do not even know — is traditionally done by combining two things: pain and repetition. The conscious infliction of psychological and physical suffering breaks down the person’s resistance to the constantly repeated message.

Totalitarian regimes use this method to reform political dissidents. Armies in less civilized countries use it to create ruthless soldiers, and religious sects all over the world use it to fanaticize their followers.

During numerous sessions with more than a hundred Muslim clients, I found that violence and repetition of religious messages are prevalent in Muslim families.

Muslim culture simply does not have the same degree of understanding of human development as in civilized societies, and physical pain and threats are therefore often the preferred tool to raise children. This is why so many Muslim girls grow up to accept violence in their marriage, and why Muslim boys grow up to learn that violence is acceptable. And it is the main reason why nine out of ten children removed from their parents by authorities in Copenhagen are from immigrant families. The Muslim tradition of using pain and intimidation as part of disciplining children are also widely used in Muslim schools — also in the West.

Combined with countless repetitions of Quranic verses in Islamic schools and families, all this makes it very difficult for children to defend themselves against being indoctrinated to follow the Quran, even if it is against secular laws, logic, and the most basic understanding of compassion.

And as we know from so many psychological studies, whatever a child is strongly influenced by at that age takes an enormous personal effort to change later in life. It is no wonder that Muslims in general, in spite of Islam’s inhumane nature and obvious inability to equip its followers with humor, compassion and other attractive qualities, are stronger in their faith than any other religious group.

Four enabling psychological factors
Not only does a traditional Islamic upbringing resemble classical brainwashing methods, but also, the culture it generates cultivates four psychological characteristics that further enable and increase violent behaviour.

These four mental factors are anger, self-confidence, responsibility for oneself and intolerance.

When it comes to anger, Western societies widely agree that it is a sign of weakness. Uncontrolled explosions of this unpleasant feeling are maybe the fastest way of losing face, especially in Northern countries, and though angry people may be feared, they are never respected. In Muslim culture, anger is much more accepted, and being able to intimidate people is seen as strength and source of social status. We even see ethnic Muslim groups or countries proudly declare whole days of anger, and use expressions such as “holy anger” — a term that seems contradictory in peaceful cultures.

In Western societies, the ability to handle criticism constructively if it is justified, and with a shrug if it is misguided, is seen as an expression of self-confidence and authenticity.

As everyone has noticed, this is not the case among Muslims. Here criticism, no matter how true, is seen as an attack on one’s honour, and it is expected that the honour is restored by using whatever means necessary to silence the opponent. Muslims almost never attempt to counter criticism with logical arguments; instead, they try to silence the criticism by pretending to be offended or by name-calling, or by threatening or even killing the messenger.

The third psychological factor concerns responsibility for oneself, and here the psychological phenomenon “locus of control” plays a major role. People raised by Western standards generally have an inner locus of control, meaning that they experience their lives as governed by inner factors, such as one’s own choices, world view, ways of handling emotions and situations, etc. Muslims are raised to experience their lives as being controlled from the outside. Everything happens “insha’ Allah” — if Allah wills — and the many religious laws, traditions and powerful male authorities leave little room for individual responsibility. This is the cause for the embarrassing and world-famous Muslim victim mentality, where everybody else is blamed and to be punished for the Muslims’ own self-created situation.

Finally, the fourth psychological factor making Muslims vulnerable to the violent message in the Quran concerns tolerance. While Western societies in general define a good person as being open and tolerant, Muslims are told that they are superior to non-Muslims, destined to dominate non-Muslims, and that they must distance themselves socially and emotionally from non-Muslims. The many hateful and dehumanising verses in the Quran and the Hadiths against non-Muslims closely resemble the psychological propaganda that leaders use against their own people in order to prepare them mentally for fighting and killing the enemy. Killing another person is easier if you hate him and do not perceive him as fully human.

Why Islam creates monsters
The cultural and psychological cocktail of anger, low self-esteem, victim mentality, a willingness to be blindly guided by outer authorities, and an aggressive and discriminatory view toward non-Muslims, forced upon Muslims through pain, intimidation and mind-numbing repetitions of the Quran’s almost countless verses promoting hate and violence against non-Muslims, is the reason why Islam creates monsters.

The psychological problem within Islam
The problem with Islam and Muslim culture is that there are so many psychological factors pushing its followers towards a violent attitude against non-Muslims that a general violent clash is — at least from a psychological perspective — inevitable. With such strong pressure and such strong emotions within such a large group of people — all pitched against us — we are facing the perfect storm, and I see no possibilities of turning it around. For people to change, they have to want it, to be allowed to change, and to be able to change — and only a tiny minority of Muslims have such lucky conditions.

Far too many people underestimate the power of psychology embedded in religion and culture. As we have already seen, no army of social workers, generous welfare states, sweet-talking politicians, politically correct journalists or democracy-promoting soldiers can stop these enormous forces. Sensible laws on immigration and Islamisation in our own countries can limit the amount of suffering, but based on my education and professional experience as a psychologist for Muslims, I estimate that we will not be able to deflect or avoid this many-sided, aggressive movement against our culture.

I do believe that we, as a democratic and educated society can become focused and organised concerning the preservation of our values and constitutions, can win this ongoing conflict started by the often inbred followers of sharia. The big question is how much of our dignity, our civil rights, and our blood, money and tears will we lose in the process
 
Hold up there for a second, Mike. I can post tons of pics of people in the west dressing their kids in t-shirts that says, "God hates fags!" or quotes from young western men posting all over twitter, YouTube etc.: " Rape & kill all women." Does this mean that all Christians and all western men are either psychopathic, deranged, hateful or mysoginist? In fact just what is it about the western world that seems to relish in teaching their young boys to hate and rape women? Is all of the western world a mysoginist, pedophiliac den of depravity - hardly.

Just because there are some people in a group that express delusional ideas about their religion does not mean that any one religion or group of people should own the mantle of monsters and psychopaths. That sounds fairly inflammatory to me and just resonates as anti-Islamic propaganda. It's that type of propaganda that has been used for years to demonize Palestinians and comfortably bomb them out of existence. It seems to me that everyone's forgotten who started the whole car-bombing craze in the middle east.

There's no question that terrorism and religion have combined to create a giant mess of civilization since we've been organizing ourselves that way, but once we get over using faith as a fulcrum for violence we might actually get ourselves through this current century and into a place of dialogue and respect. How are we to move forward on Palestine and Israel if either side simply chooses to perpetuate myths about what their faith is all about?

I think if anyone here were to spend time tallying up all the Palestinian children bombed while in schools, homes, hospitals, or list the many example of the apartheid ideology that is being applied to Palestine you could just as easily be immersed in the rhetoric of, "How can you possibly reasons with people like that?" Isn't that exactly what any fundamentalist says about their enemy to keep hate burning?

Dialogue begins by looking at the core of who a people are. You must speak to their better nature, and ignore all the ideologues and rhetoric. Though in the middle east that's a pretty hard thing to do as it's all about revenge and anguish.
 
Dialogue begins by looking at the core of who a people are. You must speak to their better nature, and ignore all the ideologues and rhetoric. Though in the middle east that's a pretty hard thing to do as it's all about revenge and anguish.

Yes, and there are many whose better natures are begging to be heard.

I recall many years ago watching a piece on Italy by an Italian journalist. It had to do with a move by the then government to try to re-orient Italians out of the idea of vendetta - a problem with organized crime. I deal with the issue of gangs in East LA on a daily basis in my work. Hate and pay-back - with all the 'good reasons' for so engaging - is not 'over there', it is everywhere. It's just that 'over there' we've given the various parties bombs and ammunition by the bucket-load. :(

This I will say, though - people do change. It happens. There is nothing more powerful than when you see the turn-around happen. It happens one step at a time, in the face of stupendous odds. But change does happen.
 
The eminent Danish psychologist Nicolai Sennels has studied the ideology of Islam and how it affects Muslims. He has concluded it creates monsters/psychopaths

Here he writes:
Psychopathic people and behaviour are found within all cultures and religions. But one tops them all — by many lengths. The daily mass killings, terror, persecutions and family executions committed by the followers of Islam are nauseating, and the ingenuity behind the attacks — always looking for new and more effective ways of killing and terrorising people — is astonishing: hijacking jumbo jets and flying them into skyscrapers, hunting unarmed and innocent people with grenades and automatic rifles in shopping malls, planting bombs in one’s own body, using model airplanes as drones, attaching large rotating blades to pickup trucks and using them as human lawn movers, killing family members with acid or fire, hanging people publicly from cranes in front of cheering crowds, etc. It makes one ask oneself: what creates such lack of empathy and almost playful and creative attitude towards murdering perceived enemies?



Studying the Muslim mind
Nobody is born a mass murderer, a rapist or a violent criminal. So what is it in the Muslim culture that influence their children in a way that make so relatively many Muslims harm other people?

As a psychologist in a Danish youth prison, I had a unique chance to study the mentality of Muslims. 70 percent of youth offenders in Denmark have a Muslim background. I was able to compare them with non-Muslim clients from the same age group with more or less the same social background. I came to the conclusion that Islam and Muslim culture have certain psychological mechanisms that harm people’s development and increase criminal behaviour.

I am, of course, aware that Muslims are different, and not all Muslims follow the Quran’s violent and perverted message and their prophet’s equally embarrassing example. But as with all other religions, Islam also influences its followers and the culture they live in.

One could talk about two groups of psychological mechanisms, that both singly and combined increase violent behaviour. One group is mainly connected with religion, which aims at indoctrinating Islamic values in children as early as possible and with whatever means necessary, including violence and intimidation. One can understand a Muslim parent’s concern about his offspring’s religious choices, because the sharia orders the death penalty for their children, should they pick another religion than their parents. The other group of mechanisms are more cultural and psychological. These cultural psychological mechanisms are a natural consequence of being influenced by a religion like Islam and stemming from a 1,400 year old tribal society with very limited freedom to develop beyond what the religion allows.

Classical brainwashing methods in the upbringing
Brainwashing people into believing or doing things against their own human nature — such as hating or even killing innocents they do not even know — is traditionally done by combining two things: pain and repetition. The conscious infliction of psychological and physical suffering breaks down the person’s resistance to the constantly repeated message.

Totalitarian regimes use this method to reform political dissidents. Armies in less civilized countries use it to create ruthless soldiers, and religious sects all over the world use it to fanaticize their followers.

During numerous sessions with more than a hundred Muslim clients, I found that violence and repetition of religious messages are prevalent in Muslim families.

Muslim culture simply does not have the same degree of understanding of human development as in civilized societies, and physical pain and threats are therefore often the preferred tool to raise children. This is why so many Muslim girls grow up to accept violence in their marriage, and why Muslim boys grow up to learn that violence is acceptable. And it is the main reason why nine out of ten children removed from their parents by authorities in Copenhagen are from immigrant families. The Muslim tradition of using pain and intimidation as part of disciplining children are also widely used in Muslim schools — also in the West.

Combined with countless repetitions of Quranic verses in Islamic schools and families, all this makes it very difficult for children to defend themselves against being indoctrinated to follow the Quran, even if it is against secular laws, logic, and the most basic understanding of compassion.

And as we know from so many psychological studies, whatever a child is strongly influenced by at that age takes an enormous personal effort to change later in life. It is no wonder that Muslims in general, in spite of Islam’s inhumane nature and obvious inability to equip its followers with humor, compassion and other attractive qualities, are stronger in their faith than any other religious group.

Four enabling psychological factors
Not only does a traditional Islamic upbringing resemble classical brainwashing methods, but also, the culture it generates cultivates four psychological characteristics that further enable and increase violent behaviour.

These four mental factors are anger, self-confidence, responsibility for oneself and intolerance.

When it comes to anger, Western societies widely agree that it is a sign of weakness. Uncontrolled explosions of this unpleasant feeling are maybe the fastest way of losing face, especially in Northern countries, and though angry people may be feared, they are never respected. In Muslim culture, anger is much more accepted, and being able to intimidate people is seen as strength and source of social status. We even see ethnic Muslim groups or countries proudly declare whole days of anger, and use expressions such as “holy anger” — a term that seems contradictory in peaceful cultures.

In Western societies, the ability to handle criticism constructively if it is justified, and with a shrug if it is misguided, is seen as an expression of self-confidence and authenticity.

As everyone has noticed, this is not the case among Muslims. Here criticism, no matter how true, is seen as an attack on one’s honour, and it is expected that the honour is restored by using whatever means necessary to silence the opponent. Muslims almost never attempt to counter criticism with logical arguments; instead, they try to silence the criticism by pretending to be offended or by name-calling, or by threatening or even killing the messenger.

The third psychological factor concerns responsibility for oneself, and here the psychological phenomenon “locus of control” plays a major role. People raised by Western standards generally have an inner locus of control, meaning that they experience their lives as governed by inner factors, such as one’s own choices, world view, ways of handling emotions and situations, etc. Muslims are raised to experience their lives as being controlled from the outside. Everything happens “insha’ Allah” — if Allah wills — and the many religious laws, traditions and powerful male authorities leave little room for individual responsibility. This is the cause for the embarrassing and world-famous Muslim victim mentality, where everybody else is blamed and to be punished for the Muslims’ own self-created situation.

Finally, the fourth psychological factor making Muslims vulnerable to the violent message in the Quran concerns tolerance. While Western societies in general define a good person as being open and tolerant, Muslims are told that they are superior to non-Muslims, destined to dominate non-Muslims, and that they must distance themselves socially and emotionally from non-Muslims. The many hateful and dehumanising verses in the Quran and the Hadiths against non-Muslims closely resemble the psychological propaganda that leaders use against their own people in order to prepare them mentally for fighting and killing the enemy. Killing another person is easier if you hate him and do not perceive him as fully human.

Why Islam creates monsters
The cultural and psychological cocktail of anger, low self-esteem, victim mentality, a willingness to be blindly guided by outer authorities, and an aggressive and discriminatory view toward non-Muslims, forced upon Muslims through pain, intimidation and mind-numbing repetitions of the Quran’s almost countless verses promoting hate and violence against non-Muslims, is the reason why Islam creates monsters.

The psychological problem within Islam
The problem with Islam and Muslim culture is that there are so many psychological factors pushing its followers towards a violent attitude against non-Muslims that a general violent clash is — at least from a psychological perspective — inevitable. With such strong pressure and such strong emotions within such a large group of people — all pitched against us — we are facing the perfect storm, and I see no possibilities of turning it around. For people to change, they have to want it, to be allowed to change, and to be able to change — and only a tiny minority of Muslims have such lucky conditions.

Far too many people underestimate the power of psychology embedded in religion and culture. As we have already seen, no army of social workers, generous welfare states, sweet-talking politicians, politically correct journalists or democracy-promoting soldiers can stop these enormous forces. Sensible laws on immigration and Islamisation in our own countries can limit the amount of suffering, but based on my education and professional experience as a psychologist for Muslims, I estimate that we will not be able to deflect or avoid this many-sided, aggressive movement against our culture.

I do believe that we, as a democratic and educated society can become focused and organised concerning the preservation of our values and constitutions, can win this ongoing conflict started by the often inbred followers of sharia. The big question is how much of our dignity, our civil rights, and our blood, money and tears will we lose in the process
This thread was about Gaza , and not about fanatic idiots.
 
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