Gaza Israel bombings

[mike]

BAMAKO (Reuters) - Islamists moved to impose sharia law in northern Mali after helping Tuareg separatists seize key towns, ransacking bars and banning Western-style clothes and music, residents said on Monday.
Oxfam said more than 200,000 Malians had been displaced since January.
"Half of these people have fled to neighbouring countries, and they are in urgent need of food, water, sanitation and shelter," the aid agency said in a statement, warning that further waves of displacement were possible.

"They have said they will institute sharia law. I heard that four youths caught destroying and looting Mali energy company property will be beheaded," he added. The report could not be independently verified.

Islamists push for sharia law in northern Mali| Top News| Reuters

Where was the outrage ?

200,000 civilians displaced, in urgent need of water food and sanitation ?

 

[mike]

 

[mike]

Wheres the outrage ?

 

[Wade]

Given that the thread morphed a bit from the original post i guess it doesn't hurt to mention the kidnapped Nigerian schoolgirls incident which seems to have gotten swept under the rug. much to the relief of the Nigerian government I would guess.

 

[mike]

“They are systematically beheading children,” Arabo repeated slowly. “And mothers and fathers. The world hasn’t seen an evil like this for generations.”
“There’s actually a park in Mosul where they actually beheaded children and put their heads on a stick… this is crimes against humanity. They are doing the most horrendous, the most heart-breaking crimes that you can think of.”

ISIS is ‘Systematically Beheading Children' in 'Christian Genocide' (from CNS News) | Gretawire

Wheres the outrage ?

Not a single thread, though we have miltiple threads on what those nasty jews are doing in palestine..........

 

[Burnt State]

These people do not *want* to work with anyone, that's the problem. Also, intolerant society? You obviously know *nothing* of Finland. As for my ancestors? Even if that was in any way relevant, you know nothing of Finnish history, either. You just like to attribute my opinions to an american lol.

EDIT: We are so intolerant as a nation that we have openly homosexual people in the parliament, female priests and our last president was female.

No, I attribute your intolerance to the same intolerance towards Muslim immigration taking place all across Northen Europe. America doesn't own intolerance. My argument is that they are as corrupt as any patriarchal driven society and that we should not isolate, stereotype or discriminate against any major group by assuming that "those people" are somehow representative of all people in the group.

Muslim Immigration Transforms Finland

(btw I do know some things about Finland, growing up with a Finnish X-Country ski coaches for a decade. You have a lot of guns, but are not a violent people, with a large indigenous population, and you have what is considered to be the top education system in the world, as I have my senior Leadership students research Finnish culture every semester to understand the forces that caused Finland to radically redefine the way they educate their young. I won't deny that the Kaurismaki brothers did heavily influence my vision of Finland for quite some time. As for hockey, let's not get into it.)

And you're right, I may be assuming too much in thinking you might not be an indigenous inhabitant of Finland, as I assume most people's who argue against diversity ironically, usually descend from an immigrant population, like me, who once upon a time had to try to fit in as an outsider. So apologies for that.

 

[Wade]

re@Bananas
What is the Finnish...or even European point of view on Muslim intergration in the U.S. Canada ? Although things have changed in the past few years a big talking point was the difference in assimilation between the US/Canada and Europe when it came to Muslims. Not that the US doesn't have any problems handling other minorities and there are pockets of intolerence to be sure but it seems the general attitude, at least here in the US that we got a good batch of good muslims and all the trouble makers ended up in Europe..especially France and maybe Netherlands.

But it's probably just a matter of numbers, certainly Europe is closer and easier to get into legally or illegally and there has been such a wave of upheaval in the muslim countries of late i guess you could argue that the demographics of your immigrants is probably much different than the past when more were coming to the states.

 

[Wade]

Some food for thought perhaps

MUSLIM INTEGRATION
TRANSATLANTIC PERSPECTIVE
Brandon Boylan
University of Pittsbur

http://yonseijournal.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/muslim-integration.pdf

 

[mike]

Burnt,
Can i ask you to perform a little experiment, How about you tell your muslim Students Mohammad was a pedophile.
Ask them to watch this and write a report on it

Get back to us with what happens next

 

[flipper]

BOOK REVIEW
Palestine seen through a South African lens
Crimes, Victims and Witnesses - Apartheid in Palestine by Mats Svensson
Reviewed by Jim Miles

Among all the news of the carnage and wreckage in Gaza created by the latest Israeli onslaught, Crimes, Victims and Witnesses is a sadly reflective book. Mats Svensson has combined stunning and compelling photography with short, quick, sad and often cryptic anecdotes about his experiences as a Swedish UN diplomat in Israel/Palestine.

The theme is obvious, that of apartheid, and its main barrier is the wall being built by Israel that is slowly twisting and turning through Palestinian land, separating families from families, farmers from their land, capturing the water, the fertile ground, the protected hilltops - separating the people from their freedom and hopes to carry out a normal life. The other main barrier of course is Gaza itself, the enforced isolation of a small portion of Palestinian land, completely under Israeli control and effectively separated from the West Bank both politically and geographically.

In the forward, Dr Essop G Pahad writes:
When South Africans visit Palestine most are shocked at how much worse apartheid is there than that of the old South Africa. And they comment that it cannot be called anything other than apartheid.
At the end of the work Svensson writes,
Apartheid in South Africa had three starting points. The first was to divide the population into groups based on race, giving the white race preference in terms of rights, services and privileges. The second starting point was the division of the country into geographically segregated areas and transferring population into these based on race. In addition, a person from one area could not access another area. The third prerequisite was a combination of security laws and rules created to oppress and suppress any resistance, which also strengthened a system of domination based on race.
The authors of the report (including UN special rapporteur Professor John Dugard) consider that the Palestinian people live under a similar system.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-01-040814.html

In between these basic points, the reality is emphasized with the stories of the everyday people of Palestine. Of wanting to see a red and white bird one last time, of walking through sewage tunnels not wanting to be photographed - to save one's dignity. Knowing the loss of freedom to have a house, a garden, freshwater, olive trees. The children suffering, not understanding but learning, watching, families being blocked from their dreams by the wall - small dreams - to see the ocean, a bird, a family member, a sunset over a hill.

A smaller theme enters the work from the author's own line of work as a diplomat. "Imagine all this knowledge. Knowledge that is only a click away. And just think about all this silence while the West Bank burns." As a diplomat he acknowledges that every day the knowledge is there, nothing is done, the powers that be are simply too powerful and, although not stated directly, the feeling is that the diplomats are simply playing a game, unable to truly help.

The photos tell the same story, vibrantly, both revealing the despair and the hope, witness to the steadfastness of a people with nowhere to go. The pictures of house destruction, with tenants removing all that they can before the jackhammers of Hyundai and Caterpillar destroy their houses. The village of Lifta haunts a hillside, grand houses crumbling with neglect, the verdant green of the hillside village gradually overcoming the walkways and terraces of a particularly beautiful place, with decaying walls and fruit trees blossoming without care.

Svensson's work serves as a witness to the crime of apartheid under the colonial-settler mentality of the Israeli state. Crimes, Victims and Witnesses presents an evocative tale in sad, sometimes enigmatic terms, accompanied by photos that are all too real about the destruction and beauty of Palestinian land and culture.

It is written for the global citizen, and as such should be read by everyone. In particular it needs to be viewed by the diplomats and politicians who pretend to lead the citizens of the world. Walls eventually crumble. Apartheid is a social construct, maintained by geography, force, and human laws - it too needs to crumble.

Crimes, Victims and Witnesses - Apartheid in Palestine by Mats Svensson. Real African Publishers, Johannesburg (2013). ISBN-10: 0987034804. Price: US$31.20; 296 pages.

Jim Miles is a Canadian journalist.

(Copyright 2014 Jim Miles)

 

[mike]

One child, Hamza, said “When I grow up I’ll join Islamic Jihad and the al-Quds Brigades. I’ll fight the Zionist enemy and fire missiles at it until I die as a shahid [martyr] and join my father in heaven.
“I love the resistance and the martyrs and Palestine, and I want to blow myself up on Zionists and kill them on a bus in a suicide bombing,” he said.


Id want this little shit on the other side of a very tall wall too

 

[mike]

Arab Apartheid - Islamic Apartheid

This was borne out most recently by a report issued by Freedom House, the independent Washington-based group that advocates for freedom worldwide. Its annual survey, “Freedom in the World 2010,” would make for eye-opening reading for all those who cry “apartheid” whenever they see a flag with a Star of David.
Consider the following findings:
Of the 18 countries in the Middle East that Freedom House surveyed, only one is considered to be “free.”
And just who might that be? Yep, you guessed it: Israel.
Not a single Arab country – not one! – did Freedom House consider “free.” Three Arab states – Morocco, Lebanon and Kuwait – were labeled “partly free,” while 13 other Arab states as well as Iran merited the dubious distinction of being branded as “not free.”
In effect, then, this means that of the approximately 370 million human beings currently residing in the Middle East, only 2 percent enjoy true freedom – namely those who live in the Jewish state.
So much for “Israeli apartheid.”

Islamic Apartheid: Slavery | FrontPage Magazine

Meanwhile, however, in Sudan and Mauritania, racist Arab societies enslave blacks. Today. Most of the slaves are African Muslims. Yet there is no Arab Apartheid Week on American campuses. Why not?
One might think American student activists would be upset about Mauritania, the West African country with the largest population of black slaves in the world – estimates range from 100,000 to more than a half-million. In Mauritania, slaves are used for labor, sex and breeding. The wholly owned property of their masters, they are passed down through generations, given as wedding gifts or exchanged for camels, trucks, guns or money.


About Islamic Apartheid Week
During the 2012-2013 school year, the David Horowitz Freedom Center will sponsor “Islamic Apartheid Weeks” on 100 campuses across the country. These events will focus on the gender and religious bigotry and persecution practiced by the Arab countries of the Middle East and other Islamic nations: the subjugation of women, including genital mutilation; sanctioned honor killings; the repression and killing of non-Muslims; child and sexual enslavement of non-Muslims, and the death sentence for apostates.
About Islamic Apartheid Week

Wheres the outrage ?



The subjugation of women, including genital mutilation; sanctioned honor killings; the repression and killing of non-Muslims; child and sexual enslavement of non-Muslims, and the death sentence for apostates.

Wheres the outrage ?


Surely, life is not so good in a Palestinian refugee camp – no matter who is to blame, but it’s undeniably a whole lot worse for Mauritanian slaves. According to a Human Rights Watch/Africa report, routine punishments for slaves in Mauritania – for the slightest fault – include beatings, denial of food and prolonged exposure to the sun, with hands and feet tied together. More serious infringement of the master’s rule (in American slave-owning parlance, “getting uppity”) can lead to prolonged tortures known as “the camel treatment,” in which the slave’s body is slowly torn apart; the “insect treatment,” in which tiny desert insects are inserted and sealed into the ear canal until the slave is driven mad; and “burning coals,” a torture not fit to describe in a family newspaper. Perhaps the reason for silence on campuses about these things is that the story of black slaves and their Arab masters remains unknown there. It would, of course, be a sensitive topic: slavery has existed in Mauritania since the 12th century, when Arab tribes from the Arabian Peninsula invaded and conquered North Africa

The descendants of those Arab invaders are today’s slave owners. The descendants of those captured as slaves in jihad raids are in human bondage today. These are, then, black Muslim slaves – who, for racist reasons, aren’t allowed to touch the Koran with their black hands, who can’t marry without their owners’ permission, and whose children belong to the master.

 

[mike]

Religious minorities under Islam — oppressed, ethnically cleansed, starved. Why are there never any mass Muslim protests against this savagery? Why aren’t those “moderate” Muslims who are violently demonstrating against Israel in the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, etc., protesting the Islamic persecution of Christians in Egypt? Nigeria? Syria? Why aren’t Muslims protesting the over 175,000 dead in jihadi wars in Syria? The jihad in Iraq? Honor Killings? Clitordectomies? Why is it that only Jews defending themselves set them off?

What is it about interfaith dialogue and Muslim outreach that these islamophobic nuns don’t understand?“Bangladesh: Muslims attack Catholic convent, beat and try to rape nuns,” By Robert Spencer, Jihadwatch, July 15, 2014 Because the nuns are Infidel women, they can lawfully serve as “captives of the right hand” (Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 33:50) for Muslim men. The Egyptian Sheikh Abu-Ishaq al-Huwayni declared in May 2011 that “we are in the era of jihad,” and that meant Muslims would take slaves. In a subsequent interview he elaborated: Jihad is only between Muslims and infidels. Spoils, slaves, and prisoners are only to be taken in war between Muslims and infidels. Muslims in the past conquered, invaded, and took over countries. This is agreed to by all scholars—there is no disagreement on this from any of them, from the smallest to the largest, on the issue of taking spoils and prisoners. The prisoners and spoils are distributed among the fighters, which includes men, women, children, wealth, and so on. When a slave market is erected, which is a market in which are sold slaves and sex-slaves, which are called in the Qur’an by the name milk al-yamin, “that which your right hands possess” [Koran 4:24]. This is a verse from the Qur’an which is still in force, and has not been abrogated. The milk al-yamin are the sex-slaves. You go to the market, look at the sex-slave, and buy her. She becomes like your wife, (but) she doesn’t need a (marriage) contract or a divorce like a free woman, nor does she need a wali. All scholars agree on this point—there is no disagreement from any of them. [...] When I want a sex slave, I just go to the market and choose the woman I like and purchase her.

“5-Year-Old Christian Boy Cut in Half by ISIS Terrorists,” By Christian Post, August 12, 2014
A 5-year-old boy, who’s the son of a founding member of St. George’s Anglican Church in Baghdad, was slaughtered by Islamic State terrorists, better known as ISIS, who cut the boy in half during an attack on the Christian town of Qaraqosh.
“I’m almost in tears because I’ve just had somebody in my room whose little child was cut in half,” Anglican Canon Andrew White of St. George’s Church told the Anglican Communion News Service Friday. “I baptized his child in my church in Baghdad. This little boy, they named him after me — he was called Andrew.”

Religious minorities under Islam abandoned Archives | Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs

 

[mike]

 

[kanakaris]

What has this to do with the Israeli occupiers in Palestine ?

 

[mike]

What has this to do with the Israeli occupiers in Palestine ?

I'm glad you asked and happy to answer

Israelis are forced to occupy Palestine, because islamic Jihad is using it as a staging area to attack them, they did the very same to Lebanon and for the same reason when hezbollah used it as a staging ground to launch rocket attacks.
Egypt and Syrias Golan heights again for the same reasons.

Islamic Jihad, a twisted and barbaric ideology must be fought, you cant expect Israel to just surrender to terrorism.

Its the same reason the US occupied Iraq and Afghanistan, You have to go after these bastards wherever they hide

If one of your neigbours was throwing rocks at your house, smashing windows and injuring your kids while they played in the yard, you'd expect the Police to "occupy" that premises, and root the buggers out.
You'd do something about it, not just cop it sweet.

The romans gave these guys hell

In 70AD, the great Jewish Revolt against the occupying Roman Empire was finally crushed with the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem – the heart and soul of Jewish religion and nationhood. The dissolution of the Roman province of Judaea began in earnest with the population being butchered, evicted or enslaved

Masada, never again

The Nazis tried to wipe them out

They've had enough, They are not taking this shit anymore, who can blame them.

If you look at the history they invade neighbouring territory when its used to attack them. The egyptians and others have learned to leave them alone, the Islamic Jihad in palestine wont, it keeps lobbing rockets and they keep lobbing them back.

Its tragic but if there can be no comprimise, then perhaps its best if one side destroys the other once and for all, Its not going to end until one side destroys the other.

Neither side is going to surrender so its going to come down to who has the better weapons, place your bets folks...........

If you look at that pic i posted you will see Gaza, between the poor sod being beheaded in Syria, and the poor buggers being lined up and shot in Iraq.

If they were my neighbours i'd want them gone too

 

[Bananas]

No, I attribute your intolerance to the same intolerance towards Muslim immigration taking place all across Northen Europe. America doesn't own intolerance. My argument is that they are as corrupt as any patriarchal driven society and that we should not isolate, stereotype or discriminate against any major group by assuming that "those people" are somehow representative of all people in the group.

Muslim Immigration Transforms Finland

I have nothing against immigrants from Russia, China, Taiwan, Turkey (which is Islamic as well btw, but they banned the use of Sharia in their courts). My problem is, like stated in the article you posted, they do not want to learn the language or intgrate in any way. They come here and litereally expect everyone to care about and for them, and scream racism the moment you don't. People are fed up of this particular ethnic group. It's not because of xenophobia, it's not because of intolerance, it's because these people, for whatever reason, have no desire to live *in* the society. There is actually a growing sentiment here that, sicne they have no desire to live in the society, they can leave and more and more are calling for deportations.

I mean, Russia tried to invade Finland, breaking all international laws, and there is no hate against them. If it was such basic xenophobia as you assume, how do you explain that?

(btw I do know some things about Finland, growing up with a Finnish X-Country ski coaches for a decade. You have a lot of guns, but are not a violent people, with a large indigenous population, and you have what is considered to be the top education system in the world, as I have my senior Leadership students research Finnish culture every semester to understand the forces that caused Finland to radically redefine the way they educate their young. I won't deny that the Kaurismaki brothers did heavily influence my vision of Finland for quite some time. As for hockey, let's not get into it.)

"A lot of guns" is misleading I'd say. We have a lot of pieces of metal capable of firing things, true, but the overwhelming majority are hunting rifles and shotguns. Handguns or automatic rifles you almost never see. Probably because of our mandatory military service of 6 months or more (depending if you want to stay longer to get some rank), most Finnish men get to play with those long enough to get bored.

It's simple, we study less and learn more. We also have a very broad variety of subjects in school. For example, by the 7th grade I had studied 3 foreign languages (English. German and Swedish. Though Swedish is our 2nd official language, nobody really uses it anymore except in the Swedish community, which is quite large). Our religious studies include all the major religions, not just the bible like in the US for example. We don't have standardized tests until high school and even then it's only the Finals. Most importantly, it doesn't matter if you go to school in the ass end of nowhere or in Helsinki, you'll get the same quality of education, which is the top in the world, for free. Our teachers are also motivated because we pay them well.

And you're right, I may be assuming too much in thinking you might not be an indigenous inhabitant of Finland, as I assume most people's who argue against diversity ironically, usually descend from an immigrant population, like me, who once upon a time had to try to fit in as an outsider. So apologies for that.

I'm descended from the nomads of Lapland (northern Finland) from my fathers side. My last name is so Finnish that it's funny, and was a constant source of jokes in my youth.

 

[mike]

You can test this yourself
Walk into a church and loudly announce Jesus didnt exist, god is a fraud, your all superstitious idiots

They will ask themselves what would jesus do ? turn the other cheek and forgive you

Walk into a Mosque and proclaim the prophet is a crappy excuse for a human and allah a figment of their deluded minds.......

(do the mosque one last or you wont get good data............)

That pic i posted, why dont we see the same with rabid raging Jews, or Hindus, or Buddists the world over ?

 

[mike]

, and scream racism the moment you don't.

Which is hilarious since Islam isnt a race, its an Ideology with adherants from numerous races.

But yes thats exactly what they scream, Racism boo hoo be tolerant of us, while the whole time preaching just about every sort of intolerance there is as insha'Allah

 

[mike]

Because a picture paints a thousand words

islam will dominate the world - Bing Images

behead those who insult islam - Bing Images=

Have a long hard look at these, its real easy to criticise the poor buggers who are on the bleeding edge of this insanity.

If they get done with Israel, you can bet you are next