Bananas
Paranormal Maven
This is precisely the problem. We get the average Muslim from countries like Somalia. Turks, for example, aren't a probem at all.
(blowing the racism argument right out the door)
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This is precisely the problem. We get the average Muslim from countries like Somalia. Turks, for example, aren't a probem at all.
(blowing the racism argument right out the door)
What you call ranting i call presenting an overwhelming plethora of data to support my premise.
Trust me i could flood this thread with 10 times the info i have, all of it valid and relevant
And to reiterate, whats happening in Gaza is terrible, but in the larger historical context its not fair to single out Israel for doing what other countrys have done in defence of their people.
The brits and US did it in WW2, on a scale that makes Gaza look like drunken pool room brawl on a saturday night.
Islamic Jihad is a growing problem we are all going to have to deal with in our lives.
Its not going to go away, this is a pivital point in history folks, i hope i'm wrong, but all the evidence is to the contrary.
Like Japan in ww2 militant Islam considers themselves to be the sons of heaven, to have a mandate to rule all the (in their view) inferior races, to impose their culture and ideology on the whole world, Their methods are the same suicide bombers and brutality.
And the fix i fear may be the same.
The US annexed Hawaii, the brits the Faulklands
Israel has done what it had to to survive, yes even annexing either temporarily or permanently territorys that posed a threat as staging grounds to attack them.
Its easy to be critical from the comfort of security, of those who's security is precarious.
History is replete with examples of nations doing the unspeakable to civilians for national interest.
Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Berlin, London, Kosovo, Fallujah.........
Im not here to say whats happened in Gaza is OK, but its not fair to demonise Israel for defending itself as so many have done so before.
They are dealing with Islamic Jihad, an enemy that wants this fight
Trust me i could flood this thread with 10 times the info i have, all of it valid and relevant
And to reiterate, whats happening in Gaza is terrible, but in the larger historical context its not fair to single out Israel for doing what other countrys have done in defence of their people.
The brits and US did it in WW2, on a scale that makes Gaza look like drunken pool room brawl on a saturday night.
Islamic Jihad is a growing problem we are all going to have to deal with in our lives.
Its not going to go away, this is a pivital point in history folks, i hope i'm wrong, but all the evidence is to the contrary.
Like Japan in ww2 militant Islam considers themselves to be the sons of heaven, to have a mandate to rule all the (in their view) inferior races, to impose their culture and ideology on the whole world, Their methods are the same suicide bombers and brutality.
And the fix i fear may be the same.
The US annexed Hawaii, the brits the Faulklands
Israel has done what it had to to survive, yes even annexing either temporarily or permanently territorys that posed a threat as staging grounds to attack them.
Its easy to be critical from the comfort of security, of those who's security is precarious.
History is replete with examples of nations doing the unspeakable to civilians for national interest.
Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Berlin, London, Kosovo, Fallujah.........
Im not here to say whats happened in Gaza is OK, but its not fair to demonise Israel for defending itself as so many have done so before.
They are dealing with Islamic Jihad, an enemy that wants this fight
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
Oh, boy, if I had a nickel for every adolescent - every 9-10 year old - every kindergartner - who looks me in the eye and says "But they are doing it, why are you focussing on me? It's not fair!" As though because others are doing it and getting away with it means that everyone should.
Life's unfair. Be glad I caught you. Be glad I'm looking you in the eye and letting you know this ain't the way it's gonna be.
Israel is far from being 'singled out' - or if it is, it's because we expect more of Israel, we expect more of a 'friend'. My government is spending oodles upon oodles of money 'hunting down terrorists'. My country has sacrificed habeas corpus on the altar of fighting jihadism. My country has lost it's moral center as far as I'm concerned when it comes to treating 'terrorists' as prisoners. Israel is not being 'singled out'. It's part of a whole that needs to be re-set.
Please note, Mike. Because I have used part of your post as a cue to a response, does not mean that I am particularly talking to you. Just to be clear.
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kanakaris
Paranormal Adept
So , Israel occupies Palestine by stealing land (West Bank) , chases everyone off their land in search of Lebensraum , and expects what in return ?A big 'thank you' ?
No wonder they receive rockets .
What would you do if your country were occupied , land and houses stolen by your neighbouring state in the name of the celestial dictator ?
Once more
Britain Bombed germany, killed civilians and destroyed civilian infra structure
Germany Bombed Britain, killed civilians and destroyed civilian infra structure
Japan Bombed Civilians including targets here in Australia Darwin and Sydney
The US Bombed Japan in the most destructive bombing raids history has ever seen
Hamas is bombing Israel killing civilians, and destroying civilian infrastructure
Israel is bombing Gaza killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure
Its perfectly normal for one side to out do the other, thats how these things are resolved, look at japans surrender and the reasons why.
By all means decry the conflict, but when you single out Israel both in the title of this thread and the comments within, that speaks of a pre-existing prejudice.
When you single out Israel in a conflict where both sides are lobbing bombs in a long established dynamic of war, then you are using it as a vehicle to express what, if you are honest, is deep seated pre existing anti semetic pov.
When you make it one sided, (in a two sided conflict) when you make it all about those evil jews, then you are transparently telegraphing your pre existing prejudices.
Britain Bombed germany, killed civilians and destroyed civilian infra structure
Germany Bombed Britain, killed civilians and destroyed civilian infra structure
Japan Bombed Civilians including targets here in Australia Darwin and Sydney
The US Bombed Japan in the most destructive bombing raids history has ever seen
Hamas is bombing Israel killing civilians, and destroying civilian infrastructure
Israel is bombing Gaza killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure
Its perfectly normal for one side to out do the other, thats how these things are resolved, look at japans surrender and the reasons why.
By all means decry the conflict, but when you single out Israel both in the title of this thread and the comments within, that speaks of a pre-existing prejudice.
When you single out Israel in a conflict where both sides are lobbing bombs in a long established dynamic of war, then you are using it as a vehicle to express what, if you are honest, is deep seated pre existing anti semetic pov.
When you make it one sided, (in a two sided conflict) when you make it all about those evil jews, then you are transparently telegraphing your pre existing prejudices.
Oh, boy, if I had a nickel for every adolescent - every 9-10 year old - every kindergartner - who looks me in the eye and says "But they are doing it, why are you focussing on me? It's not fair!" As though because others are doing it and getting away with it means that everyone should.
Life's unfair. Be glad I caught you. Be glad I'm looking you in the eye and letting you know this ain't the way it's gonna be.
Israel is far from being 'singled out' - or if it is, it's because we expect more of Israel, we expect more of a 'friend'. My government is spending oodles upon oodles of money 'hunting down terrorists'. My country has sacrificed habeas corpus on the altar of fighting jihadism. My country has lost it's moral center as far as I'm concerned when it comes to treating 'terrorists' as prisoners. Israel is not being 'singled out'. It's part of a whole that needs to be re-set.
Please note, Mike. Because I have used part of your post as a cue to a response, does not mean that I am particularly talking to you. Just to be clear.
Whats funny is you make the point of not wanting your Tax payers dollars being spent this way, yet not a word about the massive arsenal of Nukes your taxes pay for. Your country is reserving the right to (as its done before) kill civilians on a massive scale, enough nukes to kill every single one of us 3 times over.
But not a word about that
You cant even get your story straight
Israel is far from being 'singled out' - or if it is, it's because we expect more of Israel
First it isnt then it is
This isnt about your tax dollars being spent killing civilians or you'd be making noise about drone strikes in yemen and pakistan.
This is about the jews, its pretty obvious
The year is 1961; a stocky man strides ashore in Diego Garcia, the main island of the Chagos group. He is Rear-Admiral Grantham of the US Navy and his visit is followed by a top secret Anglo-American survey of the island for a military base - one of the biggest American bases outside the United States: what the Pentagon in Washington calls an "indispensable platform" for policing the world.
Today on Diego Garcia there are more than 2,000 American troops, anchorage for 30 ships, including nuclear-armed aircraft carriers, a satellite spy station and two of the world's longest runways from which B-52 and Stealth bombers have attacked Afghanistan and Iraq. Through the vapour haze as the bombers take off you can just see, on the other side of the lagoon, the broken villages: the houses claimed by the jungle, some still with their furniture, pictures and other personal belongings that were left the day the people were expelled.
Roaming wild are their donkeys and dogs that are now feral, but there are few of these descendants of the islanders' pets. As the Americans began to build their billion-dollar base 30 years ago Sir Bruce Greatbatch, KCVO, CMG, MBE, governor of the Seychelles, ordered all the dogs on Diego Garcia to be killed. More than 1,000 pets were gassed with exhaust fumes. "They put the dogs in a furnace where the people worked", Lisette Talatte, in her 60s, told me, "and when their dogs were taken away in front of them our children screamed and cried." Sir Bruce had been given responsibility for what the Americans called "cleansing" and "sanitising" the islands; and the killing of the pets was taken by the islanders as a warning. For what had been agreed between Washington and Whitehall in secrecy was that the 2,000 Chagos islanders would be forced from their homeland.
The Secret Files that reveal how a nation was deported
Wheres the outrage ? or is it do as i say but not as i do
I could rant
about the annexing of Hawaii and MexicoOr Guam or the Bikini islands
Its worth noting the japanese held both Guam and the Bikinis, Part of the justification for annexing these islands is to deny potential enemys the use of these locations as a staging ground, Its a valid military doctrine.
Have a good read of the history
Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Those nations that tried it on, were defeated and agreed to treatys and cease fires have been left alone. Palestine never surrendered, is still waging war on israel today, and as such is suffreing the effects of war, like any other warring nation in history has.
Again the Brits and the US reserve the right to annex land that has a strategic military purpose, so your outrage at Israel for doing the exact same thing, looks more like anti semitism than it does moral outrage over annexing
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In order to convert the sleepy, Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia into a dominating military base, the U.S. forcibly transported its 2,000 Chagossian inhabitants into exile and gassed their dogs.
By banning journalists from the area, the U.S. Navy was able to perpetrate this with virtually no press coverage, says David Vine, an assistant professor of anthropology at American University and author of “Island of Shame: the Secret History of the U.S. Military on Diego Garcia(Princeton University Press).”
“The Chagossians were put on a boat and taken to Mauritius and the Seychelles, 1,200 miles away, where they were left on the docks, with no money and no housing, to fend for themselves,” Vine said on the interview show “Books Of Our Time,” sponsored by the Massachusetts School of Law at Andover.
“They were promised jobs that never materialized. They had been living on an island with schools, hospitals, and full employment, sort of like a French coastal village, and they were consigned to a life of abject poverty in exile, unemployment, health problems, and were the poorest of the poor,” Vine told interview host Lawrence Velvel, dean of the law school.
Their pet dogs were rounded up and gassed, and their bodies burned, before the very eyes of their traumatized owners, Vine said.
Diego Garcia Military Base: Islanders Forcibly Deported | Global Research
Wheres the moral outrage ? or is it only unjustified when jews do it ?
Can you really cast the first stone ?
we expect more of Israel, we expect more of a 'friend'
People in glass houses matey........ You're not entitled to demand a higher standard of conduct than you yourselves bring to the table.
The History of US Imperialism: How the US Stole Hawaii | Friends of WikiLeaks - Chicago
The Annexation of Texas, the Mexican-American War, and the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, 1845–1848 - 1830–1860 - Milestones - Office of the Historian
England annexed Wales, Ireland and Scotland too
By banning journalists from the area, the U.S. Navy was able to perpetrate this with virtually no press coverage, says David Vine, an assistant professor of anthropology at American University and author of “Island of Shame: the Secret History of the U.S. Military on Diego Garcia(Princeton University Press).”
“The Chagossians were put on a boat and taken to Mauritius and the Seychelles, 1,200 miles away, where they were left on the docks, with no money and no housing, to fend for themselves,” Vine said on the interview show “Books Of Our Time,” sponsored by the Massachusetts School of Law at Andover.
“They were promised jobs that never materialized. They had been living on an island with schools, hospitals, and full employment, sort of like a French coastal village, and they were consigned to a life of abject poverty in exile, unemployment, health problems, and were the poorest of the poor,” Vine told interview host Lawrence Velvel, dean of the law school.
Their pet dogs were rounded up and gassed, and their bodies burned, before the very eyes of their traumatized owners, Vine said.
Diego Garcia Military Base: Islanders Forcibly Deported | Global Research
Wheres the moral outrage ? or is it only unjustified when jews do it ?
Can you really cast the first stone ?
we expect more of Israel, we expect more of a 'friend'
People in glass houses matey........ You're not entitled to demand a higher standard of conduct than you yourselves bring to the table.
The History of US Imperialism: How the US Stole Hawaii | Friends of WikiLeaks - Chicago
The Annexation of Texas, the Mexican-American War, and the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, 1845–1848 - 1830–1860 - Milestones - Office of the Historian
England annexed Wales, Ireland and Scotland too
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kanakaris
Paranormal Adept
Why should Palestine surrender to the occupier ?The year is 1961; a stocky man strides ashore in Diego Garcia, the main island of the Chagos group. He is Rear-Admiral Grantham of the US Navy and his visit is followed by a top secret Anglo-American survey of the island for a military base - one of the biggest American bases outside the United States: what the Pentagon in Washington calls an "indispensable platform" for policing the world.
Today on Diego Garcia there are more than 2,000 American troops, anchorage for 30 ships, including nuclear-armed aircraft carriers, a satellite spy station and two of the world's longest runways from which B-52 and Stealth bombers have attacked Afghanistan and Iraq. Through the vapour haze as the bombers take off you can just see, on the other side of the lagoon, the broken villages: the houses claimed by the jungle, some still with their furniture, pictures and other personal belongings that were left the day the people were expelled.
Roaming wild are their donkeys and dogs that are now feral, but there are few of these descendants of the islanders' pets. As the Americans began to build their billion-dollar base 30 years ago Sir Bruce Greatbatch, KCVO, CMG, MBE, governor of the Seychelles, ordered all the dogs on Diego Garcia to be killed. More than 1,000 pets were gassed with exhaust fumes. "They put the dogs in a furnace where the people worked", Lisette Talatte, in her 60s, told me, "and when their dogs were taken away in front of them our children screamed and cried." Sir Bruce had been given responsibility for what the Americans called "cleansing" and "sanitising" the islands; and the killing of the pets was taken by the islanders as a warning. For what had been agreed between Washington and Whitehall in secrecy was that the 2,000 Chagos islanders would be forced from their homeland.
The Secret Files that reveal how a nation was deported
Wheres the outrage ? or is it do as i say but not as i do
I could rant
Or Guam or the Bikini islands
Its worth noting the japanese held both Guam and the Bikinis, Part of the justification for annexing these islands is to deny potential enemys the use of these locations as a staging ground, Its a valid military doctrine.
Have a good read of the history
Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Those nations that tried it on, were defeated and agreed to treatys and cease fires have been left alone. Palestine never surrendered, is still waging war on israel today, and as such is suffreing the effects of war, like any other warring nation in history has.
Again the Brits and the US reserve the right to annex land that has a strategic military purpose, so your outrage at Israel for doing the exact same thing, looks more like anti semitism than it does moral outrage over annexing
The same reason Japan did, superior military might
The same reason the Germans did
(Both countrys now have US bases occupying land there)
US Military Bases - Air Force Bases, Army Bases, Navy Bases
The same reason the Hawaiins did, the same reason the residents of the Bikinis and Diego Garcia did. They dont have any choice.
You Know, they say "All's fair in love and war" but the truth is nothing is ever fair in either example.
If you want to make the case annexing someone elses land is wrong, you will be preachin to the choir. No argument from me
But if the argument is Its ok for my country to do it for strategic military purposes, because its neccessary for homeland security . But not for Israel then that hypocrisy isnt one i can share with you
"To forbid the use of military bases on our territory" | War Is A Crime .org
Daily News - Germans Protest U.S. Military Bases, Iraq Occupation
What's sauce for the goose - Idioms by The Free Dictionary
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flipper
Paranormal Adept
I would like to thank Tyger, Burnt State, Constance, manxman, kanakaris, junius and others for sharing my outrage at what is such an obvious crime. It seems that we are having our own war in this thread. For me it has been good to express my opinion and learn from those mentioned above. My own mind was changed over time, as I changed, but I do not post to change anyone's mind. Today I feel sad that some can be so angry at the Muslims.
How Israel targeted the children of Gaza
These stories are not fiction. They are the gruesome reality created by the Israeli war machine. The streets of Gaza tell the stories of hundreds of children. Family members who have escaped death have not been able to escape the trauma of it all. These are some of their stories.
Gaza – Who in the world would believe that Israeli warplanes would pursue a child who had survived their initial bombing only to kill him 10 days later? This is the reality of the war on Gaza and the story of nine-year-old Ibrahim al-Dawawsa, who lived with his family in the Sheikh Radwan neighborhood north of Gaza City. Last Friday around noon, a drone dropped a missile that blew his head off, killing him immediately.
Ibrahim went out to perform the Friday prayers for what turned out to be the last time ever after he heard the call to prayer at al-Nour al-Mohammedi Mosque near his home. He had showered and worn his new clothes, as if he sensed that his moment of death is near and wanted to die pure.
This is the Israeli war machine that has no regard for children or humanity. Very simply, it dropped its bombs over the heads of people flocking to the mosque. When a missile hit Ibrahim, worshippers rushed to where he was only to find him drowning in his own blood.
As soon as Ibrahim’s mother heard the sound of bombing, she screamed putting her hand on her heart, and called after him: “Ibrahim, where are you my son?” As though a mother is destined to feel the loss of her child before anyone delivers the news to her.
She ran, as she told Al-Akhbar, to the window to look for a sign of her son who had gone out seconds ago, only to see him carried by the neighbors. She screamed: “Ibrahim is gone!”
Ibrahim’s father, Abu Jamal, went to the hospital to see his son’s corpse. He found him on a bed with his skull broken, half of it gone. He started to scream in front of the cameras: “Shame on you, what did the children do to you to kill them like this. Oh God!”
The grieving father told Al-Akhbar that Ibrahim is the oldest of three sons. He also said that Ibrahim was hit in his left arm about 10 days before his death, when Israeli warplanes fired at children in al-Shati refugee camp on the morning of Eid al-Fitr.
“That day, Ibrahim survived miraculously and we thanked God so much for his safety,” his father added.
The 50-something-year-old father said that after Ibrahim was wounded the first time, he became very worried about his children’s safety, especially Ibrahim. He made them stay at home and prevented them from going out unless it was absolutely necessary. “But he was destined to die a martyr 10 days after his initial injury.”
Eyewitnesses said the missile hit Ibrahim directly and next to him was his friend Ahmed who suffered serious injuries. They were hit after the initial attempt to reach a truce that was supposed to last three days failed.
From the beginning of the war, it was obvious that the children were paying a heavy price because they were being targeted directly. Casualty statistics indicate that the number of children killed by Israel in Gaza is over 430, in addition to thousands more injured.
How Israel targeted the children of Gaza | Global Research
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How Israel targeted the children of Gaza
These stories are not fiction. They are the gruesome reality created by the Israeli war machine. The streets of Gaza tell the stories of hundreds of children. Family members who have escaped death have not been able to escape the trauma of it all. These are some of their stories.
Gaza – Who in the world would believe that Israeli warplanes would pursue a child who had survived their initial bombing only to kill him 10 days later? This is the reality of the war on Gaza and the story of nine-year-old Ibrahim al-Dawawsa, who lived with his family in the Sheikh Radwan neighborhood north of Gaza City. Last Friday around noon, a drone dropped a missile that blew his head off, killing him immediately.
Ibrahim went out to perform the Friday prayers for what turned out to be the last time ever after he heard the call to prayer at al-Nour al-Mohammedi Mosque near his home. He had showered and worn his new clothes, as if he sensed that his moment of death is near and wanted to die pure.
This is the Israeli war machine that has no regard for children or humanity. Very simply, it dropped its bombs over the heads of people flocking to the mosque. When a missile hit Ibrahim, worshippers rushed to where he was only to find him drowning in his own blood.
As soon as Ibrahim’s mother heard the sound of bombing, she screamed putting her hand on her heart, and called after him: “Ibrahim, where are you my son?” As though a mother is destined to feel the loss of her child before anyone delivers the news to her.
She ran, as she told Al-Akhbar, to the window to look for a sign of her son who had gone out seconds ago, only to see him carried by the neighbors. She screamed: “Ibrahim is gone!”
Ibrahim’s father, Abu Jamal, went to the hospital to see his son’s corpse. He found him on a bed with his skull broken, half of it gone. He started to scream in front of the cameras: “Shame on you, what did the children do to you to kill them like this. Oh God!”
The grieving father told Al-Akhbar that Ibrahim is the oldest of three sons. He also said that Ibrahim was hit in his left arm about 10 days before his death, when Israeli warplanes fired at children in al-Shati refugee camp on the morning of Eid al-Fitr.
“That day, Ibrahim survived miraculously and we thanked God so much for his safety,” his father added.
The 50-something-year-old father said that after Ibrahim was wounded the first time, he became very worried about his children’s safety, especially Ibrahim. He made them stay at home and prevented them from going out unless it was absolutely necessary. “But he was destined to die a martyr 10 days after his initial injury.”
Eyewitnesses said the missile hit Ibrahim directly and next to him was his friend Ahmed who suffered serious injuries. They were hit after the initial attempt to reach a truce that was supposed to last three days failed.
From the beginning of the war, it was obvious that the children were paying a heavy price because they were being targeted directly. Casualty statistics indicate that the number of children killed by Israel in Gaza is over 430, in addition to thousands more injured.
How Israel targeted the children of Gaza | Global Research
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This podcast discusses Shari law, and how it sees gay marriage, the role of women, as well as other topics for those who are interested.
Some say shari'a is taking over, that it's infiltrating the US and must be stopped. But what does shari'a mean, exactly? And what does Islamic law actually prescribe (and proscribe)? Mohammad Fadel and Lena Salaymeh, both university-based Islamic legal scholars and part of islawmix, share their expertise.
Wed 7.23.14 | Shari'a and Islamic Law: A Primer | Against the Grain: A Program about Politics, Society and IdeasWed 7.23.14 | Shari'a and Islamic Law: A Primer | Against the Grain: A Program about Politics, Society and Ideas
Of course the death of a child is a crime, its an outrage to any sensible person.
But lets put that in context
It is said that truth is the first casualty of war. Here are some lies that have been spread about Israel in recent weeks – and the truth behind these slanders. Only by clarifying the facts can we look forward to a realistic solution to the tensions
In the first half of 2014 – prior to the outbreak of fighting – Hamas launched nearly 200 rockets at Israeli civilians. When the three Israeli teens were brutally kidnapped, Israel went looking for them in the West Bank; they were later found murdered. To divert attention from Hamas accountability, the terror group launched hundreds of rockets at the length and breadth of Israel, sending 80 percent of the Israeli population racing into bomb shelters.
Israel responded by rooting out the rocket sites in Gaza – in the process fortuitously discovering a vast network of terror tunnels that Hamas reportedly planned to used to stage a single day of mass kidnappings and murder of Jews
10 Myths and Facts about the Gaza War
And dont open this one unless you have a strong stomach, you were warned
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/...ed-little-girl-in-syria-was-not-photoshopped/
Wheres the outrage ?
If your outrage is reserved only for children Israel kills, then thats sad.
As Andrew Bolt says in the clip below
Why are you silent on the 170,000 muslims killed in syrias war ? If you are really so worried about violence against children why the silence on Boko Haram, who this year cut the throats of school boys and made slaves of nearly 300 girls......
Why is Israel the great evil, when muslims are killing thousands more muslims in wars in Pakistan, Afghanistan Somalia Libya Iraq and Syria
Watch it again and ask yourself the very questions he poses
Killing children is obscene, but if you are only going to protest when Israel does it, that speaks to an agenda that has nothing to do with kids being killed
How many children were killed in the london bombings ?, how many children burned and suffocated in the fire bombing of Dresden , How many in the fire bombing of Tokyo the most destructive bombing in world history, Hiroshima Nagasaki.....
If you are only going to protest when Jews do it, then be honest its about Jews not children
A point Bolt echos in the clip above
But lets put that in context
It is said that truth is the first casualty of war. Here are some lies that have been spread about Israel in recent weeks – and the truth behind these slanders. Only by clarifying the facts can we look forward to a realistic solution to the tensions
In the first half of 2014 – prior to the outbreak of fighting – Hamas launched nearly 200 rockets at Israeli civilians. When the three Israeli teens were brutally kidnapped, Israel went looking for them in the West Bank; they were later found murdered. To divert attention from Hamas accountability, the terror group launched hundreds of rockets at the length and breadth of Israel, sending 80 percent of the Israeli population racing into bomb shelters.
Israel responded by rooting out the rocket sites in Gaza – in the process fortuitously discovering a vast network of terror tunnels that Hamas reportedly planned to used to stage a single day of mass kidnappings and murder of Jews
10 Myths and Facts about the Gaza War
And dont open this one unless you have a strong stomach, you were warned
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/...ed-little-girl-in-syria-was-not-photoshopped/
Wheres the outrage ?
If your outrage is reserved only for children Israel kills, then thats sad.
As Andrew Bolt says in the clip below
Why are you silent on the 170,000 muslims killed in syrias war ? If you are really so worried about violence against children why the silence on Boko Haram, who this year cut the throats of school boys and made slaves of nearly 300 girls......
Why is Israel the great evil, when muslims are killing thousands more muslims in wars in Pakistan, Afghanistan Somalia Libya Iraq and Syria
Watch it again and ask yourself the very questions he poses
Killing children is obscene, but if you are only going to protest when Israel does it, that speaks to an agenda that has nothing to do with kids being killed
How many children were killed in the london bombings ?, how many children burned and suffocated in the fire bombing of Dresden , How many in the fire bombing of Tokyo the most destructive bombing in world history, Hiroshima Nagasaki.....
If you are only going to protest when Jews do it, then be honest its about Jews not children
A point Bolt echos in the clip above
Hamas sermon from Gaza strip: “Our doctrine entails exterminating Jews” - (Not Zionists or Israelis, but Jews).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7WAo...
Gaza civilians executed by Hamas for protesting against the destruction of their neighbourhood
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protec...
Hamas used child labour to build tunnels. Hundreds killed.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/20...
Arab apartheid against Palestinians
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/312...
No apartheid in Israel, lots of it in the Arab world
http://www.thecommentator.com/article...
Hamas glorifies the deliberate murder of Israeli civilians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NgUa...
Hamas TV teaches children: Shoot all the Jews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ORAM...
Meet the Hamas billionaires
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-th...
Private jets, restaurants, luxury hotels: the good life of senior Hamas officials
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,73...
A thank you letter from Hamas to the media
http://www.thecommentator.com/article...
Egyptian TV hosts slam Hamas: “We are sick and tired of you.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VtEN...
Egyptian TV host tells Hamas they belong in a mental asylum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xuYc...
Test yourself: Are you pro human rights, or just anti-Israel?
http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/201...
Israeli Arabs: We do not want to live in a Palestinian state
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/411...
Queers for Palestine. Idiots supporting a regime that wants them dead
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Lo...
Israeli Fringe show closed down by BDS bigots
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ent...
If you support the “Palestinians”, watch this short history of the region and educate yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ByJ...
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“If in the past year you didn’t CRY OUT when thousands of protesters were killed and injured by Turkey, Egypt and Libya, when more victims than ever were hanged by Iran, women and children in Afghanistan were bombed, whole communities were massacred in South Sudan, 1800 Palestinians were starved and murdered by Assad in Syria, hundreds in Pakistan were killed by jihadist terror attacks, 10,000 Iraqis were killed by terrorists, villagers were slaughtered in Nigeria, but you ONLY cry out for GAZA, then you are not pro HUMAN RIGHTS, you are only ANTI-ISRAEL.”
— Hillel Neuer, Executive Director of UN Watch, July 15, 2014
— Hillel Neuer, Executive Director of UN Watch, July 15, 2014
Tyger
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There seems to be an argument afoot that is pretty specious: that one cannot address one particular wrong unless a check-list of other wrongs are addressed. Someone is losing the argument when that starts to happen. [Also, there is this bizarre tendency with certain posters to have particular posters 'stand in' for imaginary opponents. Debate who's present not 'pretend people'. Stop insisting that everyone assume stances that they have never addressed. It's tiresome.]
This is a chat site. It's anonymous. Making declarations about racism or anti-semitism regarding a poster is pretty ballsy. Who is Jewish? Who is 'of color'? Who is Muslim? Do you know who you are talking to? Nothing whatsoever has been said of a derogatory nature regarding Judaism on this thread. That cannot be said of Islam. The OTT assault on Islam and on Muslims has been appalling. It's embarrassing. I cringe thinking that someone of the Muslim persuasion might come upon this thread and see the kind of bashing their religion has been subjected to in broad strokes.
Because someone has had a bad experience with religion - or has a clear aversion to religious ideas, or the idea of a God-Head - or simply does not believe in God - does not mean that that someone has the 'right' to level at every 'believer' as though they are personally responsible for every person's psychosis or group psychosis. The aforementioned - of both 'ilks' - are a phenomenon that occurs across the spectrum - regardless of religious or political or ethnic persuasion. Hammering the hate is just an example of the difficulty of the situation - when ignorant hate meets ignorant hate.
There has been criticism of fundamentalism wherever it is found. There has not been criticism of Judaism. There has been criticism of Israel, it's policies and actions - nothing to do with 'Jews' or Judaism. Whether or not I have any Jewish or Semitic blood in my veins is irrelevant - and I will not go down that road as though were I to so say I have would mean I would have more 'authority' to say what I say about Israel. For some it appears that criticism of the political entity of Israel is insupportable as a stand-alone, distinct from Judaism. Some posters in their feverish 'support' of Israel and unremitting hatred of Islam play into the hands of the demented fringe that are skewing the debate, both on the ground and in the debate.
One of the travesties at the end of the last century was the Rawandan genocide. Not one western nation intervened. [Correction: except one.] The UN troops were not allowed to act. Even former President Bill Clinton views the US's failure to act as a stain on his administration. Genocide has been happening regularly in Africa and other places with no intervention. There is nothing 'fair' about any of it - that does not mean that criticism of Israel gets muzzled.
Charlie Chaplin's final speech in 'The Great Dictator' (1940)
This is a chat site. It's anonymous. Making declarations about racism or anti-semitism regarding a poster is pretty ballsy. Who is Jewish? Who is 'of color'? Who is Muslim? Do you know who you are talking to? Nothing whatsoever has been said of a derogatory nature regarding Judaism on this thread. That cannot be said of Islam. The OTT assault on Islam and on Muslims has been appalling. It's embarrassing. I cringe thinking that someone of the Muslim persuasion might come upon this thread and see the kind of bashing their religion has been subjected to in broad strokes.
Because someone has had a bad experience with religion - or has a clear aversion to religious ideas, or the idea of a God-Head - or simply does not believe in God - does not mean that that someone has the 'right' to level at every 'believer' as though they are personally responsible for every person's psychosis or group psychosis. The aforementioned - of both 'ilks' - are a phenomenon that occurs across the spectrum - regardless of religious or political or ethnic persuasion. Hammering the hate is just an example of the difficulty of the situation - when ignorant hate meets ignorant hate.
There has been criticism of fundamentalism wherever it is found. There has not been criticism of Judaism. There has been criticism of Israel, it's policies and actions - nothing to do with 'Jews' or Judaism. Whether or not I have any Jewish or Semitic blood in my veins is irrelevant - and I will not go down that road as though were I to so say I have would mean I would have more 'authority' to say what I say about Israel. For some it appears that criticism of the political entity of Israel is insupportable as a stand-alone, distinct from Judaism. Some posters in their feverish 'support' of Israel and unremitting hatred of Islam play into the hands of the demented fringe that are skewing the debate, both on the ground and in the debate.
One of the travesties at the end of the last century was the Rawandan genocide. Not one western nation intervened. [Correction: except one.] The UN troops were not allowed to act. Even former President Bill Clinton views the US's failure to act as a stain on his administration. Genocide has been happening regularly in Africa and other places with no intervention. There is nothing 'fair' about any of it - that does not mean that criticism of Israel gets muzzled.
Charlie Chaplin's final speech in 'The Great Dictator' (1940)
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And yet not once have any of you expressed outrage in this thread about the other atrocitys ive linked to, steadfastly reserving your condemnation for Israel.
This yet again speaks to an anti semitic agenda and not human rights concerns at all.
Manx your people participated in WW2, you even had a brigade the Manx Regiment and several of your residents joined the RAF.
When Germany attacked England, you reserved the right to fight back, and yes civilians include the old ,the sick, women and children were killed.
No country is expected to suffer an attack by an enemy and not defend themselves, so its not just that i think its hypocrisy, it can be nothing but Hypocrisy to expect Israel to adopt a different standard from that which everyone has engaged in, in similar circumstances.
Do as i say, but not as i do is Hypocrisy, there is no getting around that its not a matter of opinion its a matter of fact.
Violence escalated in early November after the IDF carried out a military operation close to the border security fence on the Gazan side that killed seven Hamas terrorists. Israel acted after discovering that Hamas had dug a tunnel under the fence and planned to abduct more Israeli soldiers. Hamas responded by shelling Israeli towns and has continued the rocket barrage ever since.
When the Hamas-imposed six-month deadline expired in December, Israel hoped an agreement could be reached to extend the cease-fire. Instead, Hamas began firing what would be hundreds of rockets into Israel.
Hamas rockets came from Iran, smuggled into Gaza in pieces and assembled.
When the bombardment began, it became apparent Hamas had used the lull to upgrade its arsenal with weapons that were too sophisticated to have been designed or built in Gaza. These advanced Qassam and Grad rockets, which have placed 1-in-every-8 Israelis in mortal danger, originated in Iran. They were smuggled into Gaza in pieces, assembled, and fired from launch pads well-hidden and shielded in Palestinian population centers.
Once launched, hundreds of thousands of Israelis have as little as 15 seconds to reach a bunker before a rocket detonates. Hamas has turned all of southern Israel into a place that more resembles a post-apocalyptic world, rather than a modern, civilized society. Imagine never being able to step outside without remaining in sprinting distance of a concrete bunker. Imagine having to dive into the safety of a bunker 30 times a day, every day. Try to imagine the terror of the rocket whistling down, not knowing whether it will land a mile a way, or directly above your head.
When this happened to England, it retaliated by bombing the crap out of germany, A hell of a lot more civilians ended up being killed then than is happening now.
No country on earth would tolerate having rockets rain down on them, England didnt they fought back. It IS rank hypocrisy to suggest Israel shouldnt do the same in the exact same circumstances
This yet again speaks to an anti semitic agenda and not human rights concerns at all.
Manx your people participated in WW2, you even had a brigade the Manx Regiment and several of your residents joined the RAF.
When Germany attacked England, you reserved the right to fight back, and yes civilians include the old ,the sick, women and children were killed.
No country is expected to suffer an attack by an enemy and not defend themselves, so its not just that i think its hypocrisy, it can be nothing but Hypocrisy to expect Israel to adopt a different standard from that which everyone has engaged in, in similar circumstances.
Do as i say, but not as i do is Hypocrisy, there is no getting around that its not a matter of opinion its a matter of fact.
Violence escalated in early November after the IDF carried out a military operation close to the border security fence on the Gazan side that killed seven Hamas terrorists. Israel acted after discovering that Hamas had dug a tunnel under the fence and planned to abduct more Israeli soldiers. Hamas responded by shelling Israeli towns and has continued the rocket barrage ever since.
When the Hamas-imposed six-month deadline expired in December, Israel hoped an agreement could be reached to extend the cease-fire. Instead, Hamas began firing what would be hundreds of rockets into Israel.
Hamas rockets came from Iran, smuggled into Gaza in pieces and assembled.
When the bombardment began, it became apparent Hamas had used the lull to upgrade its arsenal with weapons that were too sophisticated to have been designed or built in Gaza. These advanced Qassam and Grad rockets, which have placed 1-in-every-8 Israelis in mortal danger, originated in Iran. They were smuggled into Gaza in pieces, assembled, and fired from launch pads well-hidden and shielded in Palestinian population centers.
Once launched, hundreds of thousands of Israelis have as little as 15 seconds to reach a bunker before a rocket detonates. Hamas has turned all of southern Israel into a place that more resembles a post-apocalyptic world, rather than a modern, civilized society. Imagine never being able to step outside without remaining in sprinting distance of a concrete bunker. Imagine having to dive into the safety of a bunker 30 times a day, every day. Try to imagine the terror of the rocket whistling down, not knowing whether it will land a mile a way, or directly above your head.
When this happened to England, it retaliated by bombing the crap out of germany, A hell of a lot more civilians ended up being killed then than is happening now.
No country on earth would tolerate having rockets rain down on them, England didnt they fought back. It IS rank hypocrisy to suggest Israel shouldnt do the same in the exact same circumstances
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