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Both sides are guilty and unless you knock all the politicians heads together nothing will never get fix simple.
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You cant seriously be trying to make a case for civilised warfare ?
Thats an oxymoron.
Its a fact that Hamas is targeting civilains to demoralise them..........
Why should Israel be held to a higher standard then them ?
Its war, civilians get killed always have, alway will
Civilian infrastructure will be destroyed, always has always will
“It’s Hamas that embedded its rockets in hospitals and in homes,” he added. “And now there are some in the international community who want to investigate the Israelis for the war crime of simply defending themselves.”
Mr Netanyahu blamed Hamas for the civilian deaths, saying the group intentionally used innocent people as human shields — and showed a video to international journalists to prove the point.
“Let’s imagine your country attacked by 3,500 rockets,” Mr Netanyahu said at a news conference.
“Your territories infiltrated by death squads. What would you do? What would you demand your government do to protect you and your family? What if the rockets are fired from civilian areas? Should you then not take action?”
Its really easy to criticise people who are indeed having their civilians targeted in an attempt to demoralise them
CNN Finally Admits Hamas Kills Its Own And Deliberately Targets Israeli Civilians ~ J O S H U A P U N D I T
Even Human Rights Watch admits that Hamas rockets targeted Israeli civilians, violating laws of war
Palestinian Rockets Unlawfully Targeted Israeli Civilians:
Armed Palestinian groups firing rockets at Israeli population centers violated the laws of war during Operation Pillar of Defense, Human Rights Watch (HRW) said in a report released Monday.“Palestinian armed groups made clear in their statements that harming civilians was their aim,” said HRW's Middle East director Sarah Leah Whitson. “There is simply no legal justification for launching rockets at populated areas.”
The group also found that Gazan groups, including Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the Popular Resistance Committee, justified targeting civilian centers as reprisal for Israeli strikes, an act also banned under international law.
Furthermore, such groups "repeatedly fired rockets from densely populated areas, near homes, businesses, and a hotel, unnecessarily placing civilians in the vicinity at grave risk from Israeli counter-fire," the report said.
The "rules" of war only apply when both sides play by them.
Once they are no longer being honoured, Its down to the prime rule
Kill or be killed
Survive or succumb
Live or die
Israel choses to Live, Hamas as per their ideology embraces death.
A senior Hamas officials last week boasted of using Gaza’s civilian population as a human shield, and confirmed that his movement is “leading our people to death.”
Hamas: We Are Leading Our People to Death - Israel Today | Israel News
A top Hamas leader mocked the Israel Defense Forces, declaring they are fighting “divine soldiers” who love death.
“Today you [Israelis] are fighting divine soldiers, who love death for Allah like you love life, and who compete among themselves for Martyrdom like you flee from death,” said Hamas Chief of Staff Muhammad Deif in a recorded statement broadcast Wednesday by Al Aqsa TV, the Hamas channel.
Palestinian Media Watch, which translated the statement and posted video of it, noted Deif is commander of Hamas’ military wing, the Izz A-Din Al-Qassam Brigades. The terrorist group is responsible of the death of hundreds of Israeli civilians in suicide bombings and other terror attacks.
Hamas TV also broadcast Wednesday a previous declaration by former Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh.
“We love death like our enemies love life!” he said. “We love martyrdom, the way in which [Hamas] leaders died.”
Israel began July 8 with an operation to end the Hamas campaign to fire rockets into Israeli civilian areas. The mission expanded July 17 with the aim of dismantling a network of cross-border tunnels through which Hamas has been smuggling weapons and sending terrorists into Israel.
Read more at Hamas leader: We ‘love death for Allah like you love life’
Ask yourself this
If you were there, your wife and children there. Which side of the fence would you choose to be on ?
The side were your weapons and soldiers are used to defend your family, or the side where your family is used to defend your weapons and soldiers ?
You're no idiot, its a rhetorical question .
Your one sided criticism seems to ignore the very crime you decry when Hamas does it, but screams blue murder when Israel replies in kind
Back in 2005, after Israel removed every soldier and settler from Gaza, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas announced that “from this day forward, there will be no security turmoil and weapons chaos and abductions, which are not characteristic of our culture.” He proved a poor prognosticator regarding Palestinian culture: given the chance to live “side by side in peace and security” with Israel, the Palestinians demonstrated they could not do so even with themselves.
They demand recognition of a Palestinian state while refusing to recognize a Jewish one; and he now seeks admission to the UN as a non-member state even though “Palestine” meets none of the four requirements under international law for a state.
When you refuse to negotiate a defined territory (and demand instead that it be conceded before you deign to “negotiate”); when you lack a government that controls your purported territory (and instead have multiple regimes each lacking legitimacy); when you lack the capacity to enter into relations with other states (and ignore the agreements you already signed); and when you have residents who reject permanent residence and assert instead a “right” to “return” to another state, you meet none of the requirements for a state.
“Palestine” Does Not Qualify as a “State” « Commentary Magazine
How can you make peace with a neigbour who does not want it ?
They demand recognition of a Palestinian state while refusing to recognize a Jewish one; and he now seeks admission to the UN as a non-member state even though “Palestine” meets none of the four requirements under international law for a state.
When you refuse to negotiate a defined territory (and demand instead that it be conceded before you deign to “negotiate”); when you lack a government that controls your purported territory (and instead have multiple regimes each lacking legitimacy); when you lack the capacity to enter into relations with other states (and ignore the agreements you already signed); and when you have residents who reject permanent residence and assert instead a “right” to “return” to another state, you meet none of the requirements for a state.
“Palestine” Does Not Qualify as a “State” « Commentary Magazine
How can you make peace with a neigbour who does not want it ?
To a fanatical IDF sniper palastinan kid's live's are worth less than a dog's, they are just terrorist's in the making.
Women are just terrorist incubator's, so if they are pregnant a head-shot is 2 for the price of 1 round.
Chris McGreal used the Khalil al-Mughrabi case to illustrate an article which tried to address the phenomenon, widely attested, of many Palestinian children being shot by Israeli snipers over a brief period. Half of the estimated 408 Palestinian minors who had been killed since the second Intifada[14] three years earlier had died in the Gaza Strip, and most of those, according to McGreal, were shot at just two refugee camps, Khan Yunis and at Rafah, where Khalil died. In just ten weeks in 2003 McGreal instanced six similar cases in that area: Haneen Suliaman, an 8 year-old girl, had been killed by an IDF sniper’s headshot while strolling out to buy a packet of crisps; soon after Huda Darwish, a 12 years old girl, was shot in the head while at her desk at school and left blind for life; a boy Abdul Rahman Jadallah, who attended Suliaman’s funeral, was then shot under the eye after attending the funeral of a Palestinian fighter the next day - among a group of kids, he stood forth and hung a Palestinian flag on a fence, and was shot in the face; Ali Ghureiz, 7 years old, was shot in the head, below his left eye, outside his house in Rafah; Haneen Abu Sitta, aged 12, was killed while walking home from school near a Jewish settlement fence in southern Gaza; Nada Madhi, aged 12, took a bullet in the stomach and died, after leaning from her bedroom window in Rafah to watch a funeral procession for another child that had just been killed.
It was the shooting of Asma Mughayar that swept away any lingering doubts I had about how it is the Israeli army kills so many Palestinian children and civilians.
Asma, 16, and her younger brother, Ahmad, were collecting laundry from the roof of their home in the south of the Gaza Strip in May last year when they were felled by an Israeli army sniper. Neither child was armed or threatening the soldier, who fired unseen through a hole punched in the wall of a neighbouring block of flats.
One IDF sniper bragged about ''bagging'' 13 kid's in one day, on social media, all head-shot's.
Women are just terrorist incubator's, so if they are pregnant a head-shot is 2 for the price of 1 round.
Chris McGreal used the Khalil al-Mughrabi case to illustrate an article which tried to address the phenomenon, widely attested, of many Palestinian children being shot by Israeli snipers over a brief period. Half of the estimated 408 Palestinian minors who had been killed since the second Intifada[14] three years earlier had died in the Gaza Strip, and most of those, according to McGreal, were shot at just two refugee camps, Khan Yunis and at Rafah, where Khalil died. In just ten weeks in 2003 McGreal instanced six similar cases in that area: Haneen Suliaman, an 8 year-old girl, had been killed by an IDF sniper’s headshot while strolling out to buy a packet of crisps; soon after Huda Darwish, a 12 years old girl, was shot in the head while at her desk at school and left blind for life; a boy Abdul Rahman Jadallah, who attended Suliaman’s funeral, was then shot under the eye after attending the funeral of a Palestinian fighter the next day - among a group of kids, he stood forth and hung a Palestinian flag on a fence, and was shot in the face; Ali Ghureiz, 7 years old, was shot in the head, below his left eye, outside his house in Rafah; Haneen Abu Sitta, aged 12, was killed while walking home from school near a Jewish settlement fence in southern Gaza; Nada Madhi, aged 12, took a bullet in the stomach and died, after leaning from her bedroom window in Rafah to watch a funeral procession for another child that had just been killed.
It was the shooting of Asma Mughayar that swept away any lingering doubts I had about how it is the Israeli army kills so many Palestinian children and civilians.
Asma, 16, and her younger brother, Ahmad, were collecting laundry from the roof of their home in the south of the Gaza Strip in May last year when they were felled by an Israeli army sniper. Neither child was armed or threatening the soldier, who fired unseen through a hole punched in the wall of a neighbouring block of flats.
One IDF sniper bragged about ''bagging'' 13 kid's in one day, on social media, all head-shot's.
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
"Violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones. Violence is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding: it seeks to annihilate rather than convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends up defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
Bananas
Paranormal Maven
That is a sentiment stated by the ignorant, and hilariously ironic if you consider the one you quote.
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
I would strongly recommend that those who cannot see the folly in violence, start making study of the effects of violence on a society. What is happening in the Middle East - perpetrated by many people in many ways - cannot end with more of the same. A new way of thinking is needed. Someone - and in this case it is the UN, since it began there with the UN's action - needs to step in and call a halt to the cycle of violence.
Torture breaks everyone, including the torturers
LINK: <center>Torture breaks everyone, including the torturers</center> | AL.com
TEXT: "And they, perhaps more than anyone, know another, deeper reason to avoid the use of torture. They know what it can do to the torturer, too. Perhaps most powerful was 87-year-old George Frenkel's comment: "During the many interrogations, I never laid hands on anyone. We extracted information in a battle of the wits. I'm proud to say I never compromised my humanity."
"Whether a system "works" in the short term never considers its effect on the man or woman required to apply it. The torturer is marked forever, with Macbeth-like blood which only they can see. They become secret sociopaths, alcoholics, drug users or worse. They do so to make the pain go away, if only for a while, because the memories never do."
I tried to find a particular article written by a particular Russian that I recall reading some years back, about the effects of torture on Russian society, but have been unable to find it with a quick google. This one will do, however, if you have the stomach - "Off we go, back to the caves."
Torture's Long Shadow
LINK: Torture's Long Shadow
Torture breaks everyone, including the torturers
LINK: <center>Torture breaks everyone, including the torturers</center> | AL.com
TEXT: "And they, perhaps more than anyone, know another, deeper reason to avoid the use of torture. They know what it can do to the torturer, too. Perhaps most powerful was 87-year-old George Frenkel's comment: "During the many interrogations, I never laid hands on anyone. We extracted information in a battle of the wits. I'm proud to say I never compromised my humanity."
"Whether a system "works" in the short term never considers its effect on the man or woman required to apply it. The torturer is marked forever, with Macbeth-like blood which only they can see. They become secret sociopaths, alcoholics, drug users or worse. They do so to make the pain go away, if only for a while, because the memories never do."
I tried to find a particular article written by a particular Russian that I recall reading some years back, about the effects of torture on Russian society, but have been unable to find it with a quick google. This one will do, however, if you have the stomach - "Off we go, back to the caves."
Torture's Long Shadow
LINK: Torture's Long Shadow
flipper
Paranormal Adept
Here is a discussion of Israel/Palestine conflict from the Israeli point of view but I recommend all listen to it. What was interesting for me was that the Rothschild bank in Paris started financing emigration to Palestine in about 1860. He reports that the two sides got along until the end of the Ottoman Empire when Turkey lost WWI. Here is the podcast:
Rebbe Radical Rev - 08/11/14 - PRN.fm - PRN.fm
Here is an article about Palestine before Israel:
Jews, Muslims and Christians Once Lived Harmoniously in Palestine
Before the creation of a Jewish State in Palestine, it was a progressive country where Palestinian Muslims, Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Christians had largely lived in peace, harmony and cooperation for many centuries. The Palestinian Liberation Organization’s historical leader Yasser Arafat, a Muslim, was married to a Palestinian Christian. If there was a geographical area in the world where Muslims, Jews and Christians lived harmoniously together, it was in Palestine. The actions that were instigated by the Zionist movement in Europe, sponsored largely by individuals such as the Rothschilds, encouraged and financed a massive migration of Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe and the United States to colonize Palestine and settle more and more territories in a continuous effort to deny Palestinian Muslims their legitimate right to their native lands.
Jews, Muslims and Christians Once Lived Harmoniously in Palestine - PRN.fm - PRN.fm
Palestine, Israeli Foreign Policy and the Pan-African Movement (a less friendly history)
Later, he says, “In 1879, Sir Laurence Oliphant, a notorious anti-semite, was one of the most active British advocates of Jewish resettlement in Palestine. He visited Palestine, and discovered that the scheme of a Jewish state in this region would ensure ‘the political and economic penetration of Palestine by Britain.’”
Later Joseph Chamberlain, the Colonial Secretary of Britain, said in 1902 that he welcomed the proposals for a Jewish homeland put forward by Theodore Herzl, the founder of the World Zionist Congress. Chamberlain was seeking to gain control of areas near Palestine as a base for the securing and expansion of British interests in the region.
Palestine, Israeli Foreign Policy and the Pan-African Movement | Global Research
There are several layers of reason why people go to war. The first layer is what the news says. The second layer is profits that can be made. I was profoundly struck when Chris O'Brien said that cattle mutilations went up when the U.S. was at peace.
Rebbe Radical Rev - 08/11/14 - PRN.fm - PRN.fm
Here is an article about Palestine before Israel:
Jews, Muslims and Christians Once Lived Harmoniously in Palestine
Before the creation of a Jewish State in Palestine, it was a progressive country where Palestinian Muslims, Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Christians had largely lived in peace, harmony and cooperation for many centuries. The Palestinian Liberation Organization’s historical leader Yasser Arafat, a Muslim, was married to a Palestinian Christian. If there was a geographical area in the world where Muslims, Jews and Christians lived harmoniously together, it was in Palestine. The actions that were instigated by the Zionist movement in Europe, sponsored largely by individuals such as the Rothschilds, encouraged and financed a massive migration of Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe and the United States to colonize Palestine and settle more and more territories in a continuous effort to deny Palestinian Muslims their legitimate right to their native lands.
Jews, Muslims and Christians Once Lived Harmoniously in Palestine - PRN.fm - PRN.fm
Palestine, Israeli Foreign Policy and the Pan-African Movement (a less friendly history)
Later, he says, “In 1879, Sir Laurence Oliphant, a notorious anti-semite, was one of the most active British advocates of Jewish resettlement in Palestine. He visited Palestine, and discovered that the scheme of a Jewish state in this region would ensure ‘the political and economic penetration of Palestine by Britain.’”
Later Joseph Chamberlain, the Colonial Secretary of Britain, said in 1902 that he welcomed the proposals for a Jewish homeland put forward by Theodore Herzl, the founder of the World Zionist Congress. Chamberlain was seeking to gain control of areas near Palestine as a base for the securing and expansion of British interests in the region.
Palestine, Israeli Foreign Policy and the Pan-African Movement | Global Research
There are several layers of reason why people go to war. The first layer is what the news says. The second layer is profits that can be made. I was profoundly struck when Chris O'Brien said that cattle mutilations went up when the U.S. was at peace.
flipper
Paranormal Adept
Mourning for a Judaism Being Murdered by Israel
All my life I’ve been a champion of Israel, proud of its many accomplishments in science and technology that have benefitted the world, insistent on the continuing need for the Jewish people to have a state that offers protections from anti-Semitism that has reared its head continuously throughout Christian and Islamic societies, and enjoying the pleasures of long swaths of time in which I could study in Jerusalem and celebrate Shabbat in a city that weekly closed down the hustle and bustle of the capitalist marketplace for a full twenty-five hours. And although as editor of Tikkun I printed articles challenging the official story of how Israel came to be, showing its role in forcibly ejecting tens of thousands of Palestinians in 1948, and allowing Jewish terrorist groups under the leadership of (future Israeli prime ministers) Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir to create justified fears that led hundreds of thousands of other Palestinians to flee for their lives. I’ve also been a severe critic of those who have used criticisms of Israel as a cover for the anti-Semitism inherent in holding Jews to a higher standard than they held their own or other countries. I always told myself that the dominant humanity of the Jewish people and the compassionate strain within Torah would reassert itself once Israel felt secure
Mourning for a Judaism Being Murdered by Israel | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community
All my life I’ve been a champion of Israel, proud of its many accomplishments in science and technology that have benefitted the world, insistent on the continuing need for the Jewish people to have a state that offers protections from anti-Semitism that has reared its head continuously throughout Christian and Islamic societies, and enjoying the pleasures of long swaths of time in which I could study in Jerusalem and celebrate Shabbat in a city that weekly closed down the hustle and bustle of the capitalist marketplace for a full twenty-five hours. And although as editor of Tikkun I printed articles challenging the official story of how Israel came to be, showing its role in forcibly ejecting tens of thousands of Palestinians in 1948, and allowing Jewish terrorist groups under the leadership of (future Israeli prime ministers) Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir to create justified fears that led hundreds of thousands of other Palestinians to flee for their lives. I’ve also been a severe critic of those who have used criticisms of Israel as a cover for the anti-Semitism inherent in holding Jews to a higher standard than they held their own or other countries. I always told myself that the dominant humanity of the Jewish people and the compassionate strain within Torah would reassert itself once Israel felt secure
Mourning for a Judaism Being Murdered by Israel | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community
truthseeker
Paranormal Maven
I'd like to express my utter outrage and disbelief at an indiscriminate bombing of ISIS by U.S military. It's a complete and disproportionate use of force, violation of human rights and I'm outraged that UN has nothing to say about this. To kill innocent civilians who are simply exercising their given right to practice Islam according to their beliefs is appalling to me. Who are we to dictate to ISIS how Islam should be practiced? If they want to kill all infidels and rape women let them do it. Here in the U.S we must show support and religious tolerance to all even if they are different from our own. I call for an immediate stop and withdrawal of all U.S Naval forces that conduct military operations against ISIS and I'd like to make a plea to president Obama in show of support and solidarity with ISIS by transferring of all the latest military technology to them. We need to show the entire world our leadership in compassion and tolerance and we must lead by example. We must embrace all those who threaten violence against us and show them that they have nothing to fear.
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
The people who are to blame are those on both sides who feed and use the war machine and justify it with whatever excuse that is convenient; religion, revenge, territory, money, power, control. None of that matters when your son or daughter, husband or wife is lying dead in the street because one side or another felt they were justified in pulling the trigger. What is needed first-off is an arms embargo on both sides, followed by a voluntary rejection by both sides of all the excuses that perpetuate the violence. But how realistic is that? Right now not so much. How about in two or three generations? How many youth on both sides must be looking at this senseless war and thinking it just needs to stop regardless of what their church or political leaders are telling them? Surely there must be at least a few. Where are they?
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kanakaris
Paranormal Adept
How can you make peace with a neighbour who occupies your land , 600 000 settlers and counting in the West Bank ?
Bananas
Paranormal Maven
You should ask the Native Americans that. 300 million+ and counting.
flipper
Paranormal Adept
A Terrible Normality: The Massacres and Aberrations of History
Through much of history the abnormal has been the norm
What is to be made of all this? First, we must not ascribe these aberrations to happenstance, innocent confusion, and unintended consequences. Nor should we believe the usual rationales about spreading democracy, fighting terrorism, providing humanitarian rescue, protecting U.S. national interests and other such rallying cries promulgated by ruling elites and their mouthpieces.
The repetitious patterns of atrocity and violence are so persistent as to invite the suspicion that they usually serve real interests; they are structural not incidental. All this destruction and slaughter has greatly profited those plutocrats who pursue economic expansion, resource acquisition, territorial dominion, and financial accumulation.
Ruling interests are well served by their superiority in firepower and striking force. Violence is what we are talking about here, not just the wild and wanton type but the persistent and well-organized kind. As a political resource, violence is the instrument of ultimate authority. Violence allows for the conquest of entire lands and the riches they contain, while keeping displaced laborers and other slaves in harness.
The plutocratic rulers find it necessary to misuse or exterminate restive multitudes, to let them starve while the fruits of their land and the sweat of their labor enrich privileged coteries.
The brutish vagaries of plutocracy are not the product of particular personalities but of systemic interests. President George W. Bush was ridiculed for misusing words, but his empire-building and stripping of government services and regulations revealed a keen devotion to ruling-class interests. Likewise, President Barack Obama is not spineless. He is hypocritical but not confused. He is (by his own description) an erstwhile “liberal Republican,” or as I would put it, a faithful servant of corporate America.
A Terrible Normality: The Massacres and Aberrations of History | Global Research
flipper
Paranormal Adept
What Do Jews Say About Palestine and Gaza?
Posted on August 18, 2014 by WashingtonsBlog
What Do Jewish Voices Say?
Forget what others say about Israel. Let’s listen to prominent Jewish voices.
313 Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide have signed a letter stating:
As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and Western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world.
We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached a fever-pitch. In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.
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Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water.
We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people. We call for an immediate end to the siege against and blockade of Gaza. We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!
And see this.
A prominent Jewish leader says that Israel has intentionally targeted civilians in order to terrorize the Palestinian population.
A number of Israeli soldiers have confirmed this.
A number of prominent Israelis say that Israel’s treatment of Palestinians is apartheid.
All 6 former Israeli security chiefs have slammed Israel’s occupation of Palestine.
Israeli soldiers have spoken spoken out about Israel cruelty towards Palestinians.
The Israeli high court found that Israeli soldiers used Palestinians as human shields 1,200 times.
A holocaust survivor and Israeli Minister both say that labeling criticism of Israel “anti-semitic” is a TRICK.
Jews have repeatedly staged massive protests in Tel Aviv against the occupation and bombing of Gaza
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/jews-say-palestine-gaza.html
Posted on August 18, 2014 by WashingtonsBlog
What Do Jewish Voices Say?
Forget what others say about Israel. Let’s listen to prominent Jewish voices.
313 Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide have signed a letter stating:
As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and Western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world.
We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached a fever-pitch. In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.
***
Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water.
We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people. We call for an immediate end to the siege against and blockade of Gaza. We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!
And see this.
A prominent Jewish leader says that Israel has intentionally targeted civilians in order to terrorize the Palestinian population.
A number of Israeli soldiers have confirmed this.
A number of prominent Israelis say that Israel’s treatment of Palestinians is apartheid.
All 6 former Israeli security chiefs have slammed Israel’s occupation of Palestine.
Israeli soldiers have spoken spoken out about Israel cruelty towards Palestinians.
The Israeli high court found that Israeli soldiers used Palestinians as human shields 1,200 times.
A holocaust survivor and Israeli Minister both say that labeling criticism of Israel “anti-semitic” is a TRICK.
Jews have repeatedly staged massive protests in Tel Aviv against the occupation and bombing of Gaza
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/jews-say-palestine-gaza.html
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
This thread is extremely painful to peruse as there's very little pursuit of the excluded middle and is mostly a war of words. But as what continues is the rhetoric of Islam as evil I would like to remind us of other moments of historical butchery like the inquisition, the torture of non-believers throughout all of imperialist Christendom, the witch hunts and the general subjugation of women as defined by the laws of the western land at the time.
Again, Mike, it wasn't too long ago that in the same country of the PM you quoted despising Islam for its ownership of women it had its own national laws that identified women as chattels, or the property of a man. They had no status whatsoever and so the culture of the west that you are promoting and upholding as somehow morally superior was really guilty of the same bizarre approaches towards women as we see in the east.
No one culture is backward and all cultures ultimately will evolve out of the patriarchal violence that defined them through their laws, attitudes and religions.
It's a discriminatory position, and I find the entire, relentless approach to demonizing Islam as somehow backwards or morally retrograde to be preposterous and as hate filled as some of the many racist and discriminatory characterizations of Muslims in this thread. Many religions have a hate filled, murderous past. There are many nations whose laws are inequitable, antiquated and evil.
Re: where's the response to 'other' global ills?
No one culture owns a moral position on equality. Some cultures are still steeped in patriarchal and tribal orientations that are purely about maintaining male power i.e. Sharia law, female dowries and female castration. All cultures ultimately evolve towards gender equity and that changes everything. But you can't compare apples and oranges.
Cultures do not evolve at the same pace and can not be compared in the way you are asserting. However the countries that the west supports i.e. Israel is expected to be held to a higher standard because we expect them to be more in line with the values of their sponsors. So to ask where the outrage is just doesn't make any sense. Our outrage is tinted by our own lenses, and means nothing to a culture that has its own trajectory and unique history. What about human rights in China, North Korea, Rwanda, or how about child sex tourism or marrying 8 year olds who might die on their wedding night?
There's lots of male evil the whole world round. Targeting Muslims as a primary source of the same social ills practiced by other cultures in the past, or currently, is just a bad argument and reveals other ideologies instead.
I know that the sensationalist scenes of Muslims screaming in the streets over films about their god are shocking, and perhaps Monty Python never stimulated Catholics to call for beheading, but these conflicting values & responses have everything to do with time and place. In an age of global migration it is important that host countries work with immigrant populations to assert the laws of the land and to leave behind unacceptable practices and subjugations that we have grown out of. That's going to be vey difficult and painfully slow, but the results will be worth it.
The Muslims who teach their kids to hold signs calling for beheadings are no different than Christians who dress their kids in Ku Klux Klan outfits or "God Hates Fags" T-shirts. But, can we please get past expressions of cultural extremism and recognize that most people's, no matter how different they are from one another, basically would like to live together in peace? Because what's happening here is simply the building and maintaining of walls. To what end, I ask - to justify killing children with a sniper's head shots?
Mate you missed the salient point i was making, yes previous cultures as per your example treated women like chattels.
The point i was making is that where they have evolved and changed Islam hasnt.
In countrys where Sharia law holds sway, citizens are beheaded, have their hands cut off for stealing, are stoned to death for adultery.
And its not always extremists.
Stoning in Iran
Horrific video emerges of Taliban fighters stoning couple to death for adultery | Mail Online
According to the Islamic law, thieves should get their hands cut off. This type of on the spot amputation is practiced in many Islamic nations as it is encouraged by Islamic holy book – Quran. Prophet Muhammad ordered to have thief’s hands and feet cut off as punishment for theft. According to Muhammad, it was revealed to him by Allah that the tradition of chopping thieves’ hands and feet should be upheld. Quote from Quran, Sura 5:38 states:
QUR’AN, SURA 5:38: “As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands, as punishment for what they have done: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is exalted in power.”
Man in the video stole television and money from a relative. He is seen with ropes tied against his limbs to restrain him from avoiding his punishment. Without much thinking, a Muslim man with big, sharp knife comes and cuts both of his hands at wrists. Another man is seen amputating thief’s left foot. Video doesn’t show amputation of thief’s right foot, but judging by how amputation happy his punishers were, I’d assume his left foot was cut off as well. That’s a price of thievery in countries where Islam is practiced as primary religion.
I wont post the video, its too graphic
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I reiterate again, where other cultures had a history of such things, Islamic countrys still do it today.
Thats the big difference here, Christianity has a shocking history
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But it doesnt do this anymore
Islam does.
And i dont think its a reasonable parallel to suggest a sign saying god hates fags is the same as behead those who insult Islam.
One is just an opinion, the other calls for a brutal action, apples and oranges imo