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It is 100 percent ideology driven, they do it because the koran (in their interpretation) commands it

While it's true that their sacred books are full of hate, do you believe the fact that the west invaded their lands and killed millions and millions of their people during the last few years has anything to do with the animosity eastern people feel toward the west?
 
While it's true that their sacred books are full of hate, do you believe the fact that the west invaded their lands and killed millions and millions of their people during the last few years has anything to do with the animosity eastern people feel toward the west?
They hate us for our freedoms. They hate us for our freedoms. They hate us for our freedoms.
 
While it's true that their sacred books are full of hate, do you believe the fact that the west invaded their lands and killed millions and millions of their people during the last few years has anything to do with the animosity eastern people feel toward the west?

I dont doubt they are angry, but consider

Germany was invaded 69,850,000 killed
Japan was invaded and remains occupied 1,900,000 killed

World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And yet we dont see people of those nationalities beheading people and engaging in revenge attacks in the west.

What factor is making this scenario different ?

I could post a half dozen videos of foriegn jihadis from within the IS and its clear their primary focus is Jihad itself and the creation of an Islamic caliphate.
Their book doesnt just preach hate, it commands they convert the whole world by force if needed to Islam

Thats the primary driving factor here, and as per the quotes ive posted some dating back to the 13-1400's its always been that way.

But lets for the sake of argument go with the theory its because we killed lots of them a few years back.

What do we do about IS now ?

Its decided to have a go at carrying out the books commandment to create a global islamic caliphate (some of those vids mention just that)

Do we just say oh well they are angry let them do it ?

How are you going to feel when the sharia Police are telling your wife/daughter/mother to cover up. When Music and movies are banned in your home town.
When its the lash or worse for women in your home town who fail to abide by sharia
When they shut down your pubs and bars

in Germany

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The groups reportedly hovered around sites like discotheques and gambling houses, telling passers-by to refrain from gambling and alcohol.

In england

Muslim gangs have been filmed loitering on streets in London and demanding that passersby conform to Islamic Sharia law.
The self-proclaimed vigilantes, who call themselves Muslim London Patrol, are seen in several videos abusing people for drinking alcohol, for showing too much flesh and for being homosexual.
In one three-and-a-half minute video posted on YouTube on January 17, a number of hooded men are seen repeatedly shouting "this is a Muslim area" towards non-Muslim passers-by.
In the footage, which was shot at night on the weekend of January 12/13 on a mobile phone, in what is believed to be Whitechapel in east London, one gang member is seen telling a young woman who is wearing a short skirt, "you cannot dress like that in a Muslim area, this is a Muslim area."
A few moments later, the vigilantes confront a man carrying a can of beer, telling him "no alcohol is allowed." They then force him to empty out the contents of the can on the sidewalk. One gang member shouts: "Get him to pour it out, pour it out, Muslim area. Alcohol bad. This is a Muslim area. This area is a Muslim area. No drink in this area." He continues: "What this is, is a Muslim Patrol. We are Muslims and we patrol the area. Forbidden … evil. Alcohol is evil. No alcohol. Yes? Have a good day."
A few moments later, the vigilantes accost a woman who, referring to the imposition of Sharia law in the neighborhood exclaims, "I cannot believe it!" The Muslims respond: "We do not care if you believe it or not."
Muslim Gangs Enforce Sharia Law in London

Hate preacher: One day
we will stone adulterers

London suburb put under ‘Sharia law’ | The Sun |Features

Right now these are just ratbags pulling stunts, but make no mistake it would be enforced as it is right now in syria/iraq with an unrelenting iron fist

The beheadings and attacks on police and soldiers are not revenge for the deaths of muslims in recent years, what they hope to acheive is a backlash from the target comunitys against muslims, this will in turn radicalise more of the faithful and push them into Jihad. They are literally creating their own war, because they want holy war. They see it as a perfect way to advance the cause of Islam.

And of course the other proof as mentioned that this is primarily ideologically driven rather than anger and revenge, is the systematic slaughter of Shi-ite muslims in iraq.

100 percent ideology driven

Yes they are cranky about the muslims killed in years past, they are still hopping mad about the crusades started in 1095

But thats not whats driving IS, if you watch the videos of british and australian jihadis with IS now, the primary motivation is the creation of the caliphate and its expansion, eventually to the whole world. And if left unchecked they will try and do just that.

Its easy to say that will never happen, but tell that to the poor bastards already under their control (those that still live that is)
 
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They hate us for our freedoms. They hate us for our freedoms. They hate us for our freedoms.

I get the source of the quote and the associated negativity.

But its not entirely untrue

Look at the links i posted above about sharia police in london and germany

They dont like our lifestyles, drinking, gambling,they way women dress in defiance of the koran. Sexual freedoms. they most assuredly do hate these things.
And there are lots of things most westerners are not even aware of like the statue post on the last page.

The statue of liberty would be the first thing they tear down if they controlled the US. In their eyes its the worst case of idolatry. the lincoln memorial would be next.
They would destroy mt rushmore in the same way they did the Buddha statue in Bamiyan, Afghanistan, in March 2001.

They have stated if they get control of Egypt the pyramids and sphinx will be obliterated.

Murgan Salem al-Gohary, an Egyptian jihadist, has called for the destruction of the Sphinx and the great pyramids so long associated with the splendor of Ancient Egypt. In a November 10 interview on an Egyptian television station, al-Gohary denounced those historical monuments as idols offensive to Islam: “All Muslims are charged with applying the teachings of Islam to remove such idols, as we did in Afghanistan when we destroyed the Buddha statues. God ordered Prophet Mohammed to destroy idols. When I was with the Taliban we destroyed the statue of Buddha, something the government failed to do.”

Its almost incomprehensible to our western minds the things they really do hate about us

Thier book commands them to apply the teachings of Mohammad to everyone in accordance with its dictates

Thats has always been their principle and primary motivation.

These future United States presidents questioned the ambassador as to why his (Islamic) government was so hostile to the new American republic even though America had done nothing to provoke any such animosity. Ambassador Adja answered them, as they reported to the Continental Congress,‘that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found , and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise’.
Thomas Jefferson
To the Continental Congress about the brutal pirate attacks of the Muslim Ottoman Barbary (1801–1805 and 1815)


Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), a pioneering historian and philosopher, was also a legal theorist. In his renowned Muqaddimah, the first work of historical theory, he notes that “in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.” In Islam, the person in charge of religious affairs is concerned with “power politics,” because Islam is “under obligation to gain power over other nations.”
Violent jihad is a constant of Islamic history. The passages quoted above and many others like them form a major element of the motivation of jihad warriors worldwide today. No major Muslim group has ever repudiated the doctrines of armed jihad. The theology of jihad, with all its assumptions about unbelievers‚ lack of human rights and dignity, is available today as a justification for anyone with the will and the means to bring it to life.
 
Some may hate us for our freedoms but that doesn't mean that's the reason "they attacked us" or would attack us. It's far more likely that "they attacked us" or would attack us because we're in their faces bombing their countries and killing their citizens. I think that's a far greater motivation than looking at our lifestyle, disapproving of it from a philosophical or religious perspective and becoming suicide bombers because of it.
 
Some may hate us for our freedoms but that doesn't mean that's the reason "they attacked us" or would attack us. It's far more likely that "they attacked us" or would attack us because we're in their faces bombing their countries and killing their citizens. I think that's a far greater motivation than looking at our lifestyle, disapproving of it from a philosophical or religious perspective and becoming suicide bombers because of it.

Do a google image search of behead those who insult islam, the placards clearly spell out the motivation

find me one that says you killed muslims, thus we kill you

behead those who insult islam - Bing Images

Its all about the ideology, insult it and they go crazy
 
Some may hate us for our freedoms but that doesn't mean that's the reason "they attacked us" or would attack us. It's far more likely that "they attacked us" or would attack us because we're in their faces bombing their countries and killing their citizens. I think that's a far greater motivation than looking at our lifestyle, disapproving of it from a philosophical or religious perspective and becoming suicide bombers because of it.

And will that give you any comfort when they impose sharia law on your home town ?
 
Do a google image search of behead those who insult islam, the placards clearly spell out the motivation

find me one that says you killed muslims, thus we kill you

behead those who insult islam - Bing Images

Its all about the ideology, insult it and they go crazy

It's simple logic. Killing people and occupying their homeland motivates people to kill you back. Sure, there are some fanatics who will be fanatical if you insult their whatever it is they're fanatical about. But if those fanatics get upset about insulting their religion, they'll get even more upset about you killing their people and occupying their nations. Plus, there will be plenty of moderates who will become "extreme" and want to get revenge (those who wouldn't get insulted by insulting Islam).
 
So we have two opposing theorys

IS is doing what its doing because westerners killed muslims

IS is doing what its doing because their ideology commands it

We can resolve this by asking the following question

Why is IS killing and beheading Yazidis and Shi-ites ?

Answer that and you resolve the mystery

Who are the Yazidis, and why does ISIS want to kill them? – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

Why does Al Qaeda advocate the killing of Shiites if they are Muslim as well?

Why is ISIL/ISIS killing the Yazidi in Iraq? - Quora

As you can see the answer is ideology driven

From the last link

So, the answer to the question is: "ISIS is killing Yazidis because the latter are infidels and Islam commands them to kill infidels"

Ive also given you quotes showing that long before the war in Iraq/afghanistan etc etc Islam declared us enemys for no other reason than their book commands it

Your insistance the primary reason is because the west killed muslims in the gulf war, doesnt explain why they are slaughtering Yazidis and shiites, its doesnt explain what they said to Jefferson.

My answer on the otherhand covers all the bases
 
Oh yeah, they'll impose Sharia law in New Jersey. That's about as likely as me imposing Jewish law on them.

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Islamophobes | The Muslim Issue


The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within.
Will Durant
American writer, historian, and philosopher. He is best known for The Story of Civilization.
 
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1881, long before the gulf war

Some, indeed, dream of an Islam in the future, rationalised and regenerate. All this has been tried already, and has miserably failed. The Koran has so encrusted the religion in a hard unyielding casement of ordinances and social laws, that if the shell be broken the life is gone. A rationalistic Islam would be Islam no longer.
Sir William Muir
Victorian orientalist scholar, Cambridge 1881
 
Long before the gulf war Ben Franklin knew the answer, the same one ive given today

Nor can the Plundering of Infidels be in that sacred Book [the Quran] forbidden, since it is well known from it, that God has given the World, and all that it contains, to his faithful Mussulmen, who are to enjoy it of Right as fast as they conquer it.
Benjamin Franklin
United States founding father
 
If you are serious about understanding whats happening watch this, i know its a long one, but its worth your time if you really want to know whats happening

why do they hate us ? at the 16 min mark



Shariah: The Threat to America
 
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How would you feel about asking the U.S. government to stop sending financial support and weapons to ISIS?

Would you support that?

The australian govt isnt funding ISIS, yet we are under attack, you are trying to fit the real activitys taking place into your anti bush anti govt world view.
Its blinding you to the reality.

PLEASE PLEASE watch that video, i know you do your homework. You will learn a lot from it

The answer to your question is around the 38 min mark good jihadis vs bad jihadis, and yes the USG has made a mistake
 
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