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I am not saying there aren't fanatics out there, but the idea that insulting a religion is going to have the same effect as killing hundreds of thousands of people or more doesn't make sense. I am not denying their fanaticism or disputing the quotes you provided, just in the scheme of things, killing people is a much bigger causal factor than insulting a religion. It doesn't mean it's the only factor, but it has the biggest effect so it's the biggest factor by far.

I was also referring to hatred of the west, particularly the US, not tribal hatred which goes back a very long time. And with existing animosity, killing only inflames the problem and makes it far worst. I am not a fan of irrationality, but murder isn't a good way of resolving it.

Also, keep in mind that the US intelligence community stokes those irrational fires when it suits them and then other parts of the US government are enemies. Remember from Braveheart, (paraphrasing): "You will support the rebellion from the south, while I oppose it from the north".
 
As I recall, Bin Laden announced Jihad on America, citing US foreign policy toward the Middle East, generally speaking. Building bases on holy ground to quench a thirst for oil and all that. (Of course, Bid lady's Fam scored their fortune through construction- not oil)

Edit to add: Since this isil is a post 911 threat, one could argue that the Iraqi invasion helped spawn such a group.
 
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Again, ive given historical quotes from numerous sources all of which predate the gulf war.

And they make the same point its ideology driven

Long before we killed millions , long before the gulf war Franklin, Jefferson, Churchill, Gladstone were making the very same observation.

Add to that the slaughter of the Shiites and Yazidis and i think ive made my case ideology is the principle and primary driving factor here.

September 27, 2014: Footage shows a nine-year-old Sydney boy reciting passages from the Koran, urging the restoration of the Islamic Caliphate and praising martyrs involved in battles in the Middle East.

A nine-year-old boy has delivered a sermon in which he praised the sacrifice of "martyrs" and "mujahideen" fighting across the Middle East in a video shared by his father on Facebook.
The Daily Telegraph has published part of the video in which the child speaks into a microphone in Arabic while wearing a Puma hoodie, calling for his "brothers and sisters" to install an Islamic authority across the world.
In the video recorded during the holy month of Ramadan, the boy praised the work of mujahideens — warriors engaged in jihad — and called on his audience to sacrifice for Allah.
"The mujahideens in Syria and Afghanistan and in Palestine and all around the Muslim lands who know that only Islam can bring mercy to mankind," he said in an Australian accent.
"Let us take this opportunity, in this month (Ramadan)…by sacrificing everything for the sake of Allah."

The father has also shared anti-democracy posts along with images of Islamic fighters and others that carry the slogan "Muslims Rise, Caliphate Imminent".

Sydney boy, 9, praises mujahideen and martyrs' sacrifice for Allah - 9news.com.au


I am frankly surprised to see ppl in an attempt to score points against what they perceive as the Failure of US foriegn policy, essentially become apoligists for IS and its barbaric crimes.

That video makes the point, they have credible intel to show that Islam has a timetable, its goal is to install islamic authority across the world, that the Islamic revival including the creation of a global caliphate is the goal and that they are moving into the implementation phase.

I again urge anyone who wants to know whats happening in our world today to watch it, i know its an hour and a half long but its important.


Watch the video

Forewarned is forearmed, knowledge is power



Isil, Al Qaeda,Hamas, Muslim brotherhood, the list goes on and on

Drill down into each of these and the driving factor, the primary goal is the same in every case

An ideology driven command to impose a global caliphate, to make happen an islamic revival that rules every man woman and child on the planet.

The video gives proof of this claim

Ignore it at your peril

These guys have decided the time is now, you can see it coming or be blindsided by it
 
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Haven't really wanted to weigh in on the political side but I am worried about this ISIS spreading. Oklahoma food plant factory had an upset worker who went from one building to the front office, stabbed one secretary and then beheaded her and then stabbed the other secretary. This happened on Thursday. The employees said he was trying to convert people to Islam previously. There's a news blackout on this story in the sense that it was reported once, no more.
No evidence Oklahoma beheading linked to terrorism, police say | MSNBC
 
Charlie Prime said:
How would you feel about asking the U.S. government to stop sending financial support and weapons to ISIS?

Would you support that?
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No one should be funding ISIS, as that video points out the USG made the mistake of thinking there were good jihadis and bad jihadis.

The only good jihadi..............

As ive pointed out in the past westerners have a preconceived notion of what a "religion" is, so when Islam claims to be a religion we see it via that filter.

Thats a mistake

Its a political control mechansim posing as a religion
 
What Jihad Really is?
So if Islam be a ‘Religion’ and the Muslims are a ‘Nation’. ‘Jihad’ (on
account of which it has been accorded the dignity of ‘The Best of all Prayers’ in
Islam) becomes useless term. But the truth is that Islam is not the name of a
‘Religion’, nor is ‘Muslim’ the title of a ‘Nation’. In reality Islam is a
revolutionary ideology and programme which seeks to alter the social order of the
whole world and rebuild it in conformity with its own tenets and ideals. ‘Muslim’
is the title of that International Revolutionary Party organized by Islam to carry
into effect its revolutionary programme. And ‘Jihād’ refers to that revolutionary
struggle and utmost exertion which the Islamic Party brings into play to achieve
this objective.
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http://www.muhammadanism.org/Terrorism/jihah_in_islam/jihad_in_islam.pdf

From the horses mouth lol

You'll find a copy of this book in just about every mosque in the world



The sole interest of Islam is the welfare of mankind. Islam has its own
particular ideological standpoint and practical programme to carry out reforms for
the welfare of mankind. Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments
anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and
programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The
purpose of Islam is to set up a state on the basis of its own ideology and
programme, regardless of which nation assumes the role of the standard-bearer of
Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the
establishment of an ideological Islamic State. Islam requires the earth—not just a
portion, but the whole planet—
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Again from the horses mouth, this is what they want to do
 
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Charlie Prime said:
I agree with you. One might even speculate that would be significantly less terror in the world if people quit funding it.
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Thats true enough

But its clearly not the sum total of the story here

The Shiites and Yazidis didnt fund ISIL, but they are being butchered none the less.

The reason they are being killed en mass is ideology driven 100 percent.

In the eyes of ISIL these people are sinners and infidels.

The penalty for which under islamic law is death, often by beheading or crucifiction.

They are not just killing them, they are killing them as per the dictates of the Koran that says thats how you execute an infidel


Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be slain and crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land.
Quran 5:33
When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Quran 47:4

This command goes back to the 7th century. ISIL identify themselves as believers, Shiites and Yazidis and infidels

The book has this to say on that score

Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.
Quran 9:123,
 
Again it needs pointing out that they agree with everything ive posted

From the book about Jihad from muhammadism.org

Yes, indeed, we plead guilty to one crime, though,

that whenever someone else attacked us, we attacked him in self-defence. Now, of

course, we have renounced that also.

They clearly say they are not attacking us in defence or revenge

we discover two major and basic misconceptions. The first misunderstanding is that they consider Islam to be a
religion in the conventional sense of the term ‘religion’. The second
misconception is that they take Muslims to be a ‘Nation’ in the technical sense of
this term. These two misunderstandings have not only mixed up the concept of
Jihād’ but have changed the picture of Islam as a whole and have wholly
misrepresented the position of the Muslim people


Again in their own words its not a religion in the western sense

In common terminology ‘religion’ means nothing more than a hotch potch
of some beliefs, prayers and rituals.

We are forced to admit the point that if you regard Islam as a religion in the
conventional meaning of the term and if, indeed, Islam be a conventional type of
religion, the necessity for ‘Jihad’ cannot be justified.

They spell it out in their own words, Islam is not "religion" in the sense we think of it, its much much more to them.
Religion is something westerners do on sundays, Islam is a total way of life, its a political revolutionary ideology.
To call Islam a religion is , in their own words to fail to understand what it actually is


In reality Islam is a
revolutionary ideology and programme which seeks to alter the social order of the
whole world and rebuild it in conformity with its own tenets and ideals. ‘Muslim’
is the title of that International Revolutionary Party organized by Islam to carry
into effect its revolutionary programme. And ‘Jihād’ refers to that revolutionary
struggle and utmost exertion which the Islamic Party brings into play to achieve
this objective.

This book gives you the exact same data ive posted published by

The Holy Koran Publishing House


They clearly state Jihad is not about revenge, its about bringing Islam to the whole world.

From their POV Jihad has nothing to do with revenge for killing millions of them in the gulf war, they state that clearly in this document


The motive forces behind these conflicts are such individual or collective purposes as are
completely devoid of any ideological bias or support for certain principles. Since
Islamic War does not belong to this category, Islam shuns the use of the word
‘war’ altogether. Islam has no vested interest in promoting the cause of this or that
Nation. The hegemony of this or that State on the face of this earth is irrelevant to
Islam. The sole interest of Islam is the welfare of mankind. Islam has its own
particular ideological standpoint and practical programme to carry out reforms for
the welfare of mankind. Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments
anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and
programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The
purpose of Islam is to set up a state on the basis of its own ideology and
programme, regardless of which nation assumes the role of the standard-bearer of
Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the
establishment of an ideological Islamic State. Islam requires the earth—not just a
portion, but the whole planet


This document makes it clear that Jihad is not about revenge, that Islam is not a religion in the western sense of the word.

That Jihad is simply about doing whats best for mankind, establishing a global califate under Islamic law.

They are not trying to hide this Its all here

http://www.muhammadanism.org/Terrorism/jihah_in_islam/jihad_in_islam.pdf

 
Because the entire mankind should benefit from the ideology and
welfare programme or what would be truer to say from ‘Islam’ which is the
programme of well-being for all humanity. Towards this end, Islam wishes to
press into service all forces which can bring about a revolution and a composite
term for the use of all these forces is ‘Jihad’. To change the outlook of the people
and initiate a mental revolution among them through speech or writing is a form
of ‘Jihad’. To alter the old tyrannical social system and establish a new just order
of life by the power of sword is also ‘Jihad’ and to expend goods and exert
physically for this cause is ‘Jihad’ too.

‘For the Cause of God’—the Essential Condition

But the ‘Jihad’ of Islam is not merely a ‘struggle’; it is a ‘struggle for the
Cause of God’. ‘For the Cause of God is an essential condition for ‘Jihad’ in
Islam. This expression is also part of the special terminology of Islam to which I
have alluded above. Its literal meaning is ‘In the way of God’. It is this translation
which misled the people into believing that ‘Jihad in the way of God’ enjoined
forcible conversion of other people to the faith of Islam, for the limited intellects
of the people could take the expression ‘in the way of God’ to mean nothing else
than that. But in the terminology of Islam this expression bears wider meaning.

All such work as is undertaken for the collective well-being of mankind and in
which the functionary has no vested interest in the present world, his sole interest
being to win the favour of God, is regarded in Islam as an ‘act in the way of God’.
To take an instance, if you give away something in charity in anticipation of receiving some material or moral dividend in this world,
it would not be regarded as an ‘act in the way of God’.

But if it is your desire to win the pleasure of God by affording assistance to
a poor man, this charitable act would be deemed to have been done ‘in the way of
God’. Hence the term ‘in the way of God’ is reserved for such deeds only as are
undertaken with perfect sincerity, without any thought of gaining a selfish end,
and executed on the understanding that to afford benefit to other human beings is
a means of winning the pleasure of God and the sole purpose of human life is to
win the favour of the Creator of the universe.

The condition ‘in the cause of God’ has been attached to ‘Jihād’ for the
same reason. It strictly implies that when a person or a group arises to carry out a
revolution in the system of life and to establish a new system in conformity with
the ideology of Islam, he or they should keep no selfish motives in mind while
offering sacrifices and executing acts of devotion for the Cause All sacrifices and exertions
should be directed to achieve the one and the only end i.e., the establishment of a just and equitable social order among human beings;
and the only reward in view should be to gain the favour of God.



In their own words thats the entirety of their motivation, its not something as petty as tit for tat over the death of muslims in the gulf war.
Jihad is far more noble, far more selfless than such base motivations.

They do it because they think its the right thing to do for all mankind and to make Allah happy

Kinda puts it all into perspective now doesnt it, no wonder they are so cranky all the time. They are simply frustrated that we fail to recognise whats good for us, continue to reject their system thats actually for our own good.
We seem like stupid children to them, too dumb to realise they are only doing whats best for us. How utterly frustrating for them
Thats why they are pissed off
 
mike said:
Thats true enough But its clearly not the sum total of the story here
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Correct. A big part of the story is why a few horrific acts by nuts who worship a demon get so much media coverage, while the fact that the U.S. government murders MILLIONS of people is completely ignored.

Why is that?
 
As i'm sure you all know, my city went into lock down last week. two citizens executed by what some in the press are calling a madman.
We got given a sanitised version of what went down, that he was just a crazed nut job, that it had nothing to do with islam, that is WAS NOT terrorism.

Here are the videos the govt suppressed

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LiveLeak.com - Sydney Siege Hostage Video Demands

the press ran an edited version of the first video, citing "two simple demands"

But watch the ones they suppressed, the ones where he demands the media and our politicians make it known this was and i quote "An attack on australia by Islamic State".

Was he a nutter ? yes he was, was he an islamic terrorist..... yeah yeah he was that too.

They even pulled his website...... noobs forgot about the way back machine ? or more likely didnt know about it

Sheikh Haron’s Fatwa |Australian Muslim cleric, Islamic website to explain about Allah, Shariah law and Jihad

Sheikh Haron’s Fatwa |Australian Muslim cleric, Islamic website to explain about Allah, Shariah law and Jihad

ISIS attacked us last week, killed two innocent Australians


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Did you watch that video Charlie ?

When he asks do you think a punishment if it comes from allah, is good and right , stonings for adultery (unvoiced but implied, death for other crimes) that it should be applied in society today.........Every hand but the one guy down the front went up. When he asks how many of you think you are radicals/extremists...... none

Just as crazy people dont think they are crazy, these extremists dont think they are extremists. As they say on mythbusters "theres your problem"
 
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