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Angel of Ioren said:
Pixel, religion was a cause of that. All we're saying is that even if it did not exist, people would find other reasons to kill each other.
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of course they would. but not as many as religious whackos have killed over the centuries or to the extent that "god" himself or his followers did, (according to the bible.)
 
It's amazing how a discussion on Bin Laden's death quickly turns into a theological debate. :)
In the end I guess it's all a matter of faith (in God or Government).
 
pixelsmith said:
ok.... i guess the crusades was just a misunderstanding between humans... thanks for clarifying that.
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Well it was not that simple there are many accounts of christians killing christians in the holy land during the crusades the most famous one being the sacking of Constantinopolis in 1204
 
Han said:
Well it was not that simple there are many accounts of christians killing christians in the holy land during the crusades the most famous one being the sacking of Constantinopolis in 1204
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so you are saying religion has nothing to do with religious wars or killing religious people?
 
No I am saying that religion is seldom the motivation for war. War is invariably about power and money.
In other words while religion may have been or is used as justification for crimes against humanity, it is not directly responsible, the people who manipulate and twist it are.
 
OK, let's not scapegoat religion here as the root of all evil. While it is true that there are many accounts in the Bible and human history in general where religion was used as a pretext for wars, most major religions of the world have undergone transformation since ancient times. Religion is about self-control, humility and tolerance. If we didn't have that there wouldn't be any humanity left in the world as people by nature are like animals, only acting in their own self-interest. I wish that Islam had undergone the same transformation. I can't say that it has.
 
truthseeker said:
OK, let's not scapegoat religion here as the root of all evil. While it is true that there are many accounts in the Bible and human history in general where religion was used as a pretext for wars, most major religions of the world have undergone transformation since ancient times. Religion is about self-control, humility and tolerance. If we didn't have that there wouldn't be any humanity left in the world as people by nature are like animals, only acting in their own self-interest. I wish that Islam had undergone the same transformation. I can't say that it has.
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i have a hard time believing that. how many animals on this planet use religion?
 
truthseeker said:
OK, let's not scapegoat religion here as the root of all evil. While it is true that there are many accounts in the Bible and human history in general where religion was used as a pretext for wars, most major religions of the world have undergone transformation since ancient times. Religion is about self-control, humility and tolerance. If we didn't have that there wouldn't be any humanity left in the world as people by nature are like animals, only acting in their own self-interest. I wish that Islam had undergone the same transformation. I can't say that it has.
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And there it is - a misunderstanding of another religion. If we were to use your logic, all the Muslims I know would be trying to kill me. And all the Christians I know would be blowing up abortion clinics.

Religion is about tolerance? What's the evangelical Christian stance on gay marriage? See what i did there? It isn't that simple and one's religion does not determine his or her temperament.
 
Angel of Ioren said:
And there it is - a misunderstanding of another religion. If we were to use your logic, all the Muslims I know would be trying to kill me. And all the Christians I know would be blowing up abortion clinics.

Religion is about tolerance? What's the evangelical Christian stance on gay marriage? See what i did there? It isn't that simple and one's religion does not determine his or her temperament.
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That's not what I'm saying. Yes, the vast majority of Muslims are not trying to kill you, but unfortunately there is a large number that are. Speaking out against gay marriage is not the same as going out and slaughtering gays as some of your Muslim friends do. Any extreme is bad, moderation is the key here.
 
interesting information.

Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.
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s a war on for your mind!
 
truthseeker said:
That's not what I'm saying. Yes, the vast majority of majority of Muslims are not trying to kill you, but unfortunately there is a large number that are. Speaking against gay marriage is not the same as going out and slaughtering gays as some of your Muslim friends do. Any extreme is bad, moderation is the key here.
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What about blowing up abortion clinics?
Also, I used the gay marriage example as an example of religion being intolerant of certain things.

So, do you think people that have no religion have no self-control, are intolerant, and lack humility?

By the way, I don't have any friends that slaughter anybody.

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pixelsmith said:
interesting information.



s a war on for your mind!
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Oh yes, Alex Jones. Where one should get all his news.
 
don't kill the messenger Alex didnt make the claim.

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You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5

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The bible tells us to kill those who worship other religions. I doubt it has anything to do with religion tho...

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i don't see anything in the bible about respecting the religion of someone you just killed....

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Onward Christian Soldiers!!! Kill the bass turds!
 
Angel of Ioren said:
What about blowing up abortion clinics?
Also, I used the gay marriage example as an example of religion being intolerant of certain things.

So, do you think people that have no religion have no self-control, are intolerant, and lack humility?

By the way, I don't have any friends that slaughter anybody.
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Like I said before extreme is not a good thing in any religion or any aspect of personal life for that matter. Blowing up abortion clinics is extreme and I absolutely don't agree with that. You can disagree or speak out against something but when you start blowing shit up it's not a good thing for anybody.

People without religion can be wonderful human beings with all the attributes listed prior. I think that religion can be a good vehicle to develop those attributes but it is not by any means the only way.
 
Tongue-in-cheek or not, Iamfrank formulated a beautiful conspiracy theory. I am also impressed that while I find pixelsmith an utter dodo in some regards, I agree with him in others. In addition, I am reminded that I find rah-rah, god bless the Seals and the Walruses -- or whatever they are called -- flag-waving, drill-sergeant icon bearing, jingoistic, good vs. evil world views to be in bad taste and laughable at best, and disturbing and dangerous at worst.
 
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