Another couch potato chimes in. Thanks for the negative imput. Anybody else want to express an ignorant opinion? If you have not been in Rays shoes, and none of you have, then wait for it or go post about the flat Earth or Yellowstone blowing. You are all reinforcing his silence. Congragulations on filling your own expectations of dissapointment.
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Ray Stanford has a photo of the Socorro craft & Martin Willis has seen it and is impressed but...
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withoutlimits09
Paranormal Adept
This isn't negative "imput." Rather, it is the most intelligent and rational way to support claims. Ray will once again bloviate on a major national radio broadcast about his evidence. Ray, will once again claim he has footage of flying saucers shooting plasma beams at him while he aims a camera at the saucer. He will also tell you he has photos of the Zamora UFO, complete with its landing gear engaged. He will then tell you this evidence is so conclusive, it's utterly changing the landscape of current technology.
I am simply saying, if you are going to make these claims, the only way...the only way you can support them is to release the evidence to a reputable and impartial academic institution. Coast to Coast AM, is not that!
So "Congragulations" to your sir, the only thing which was a "dissapointment" on this thread was your ignorance of spelling and grammar.
Walter Bosley
Paranormal Adept
Is there a piece missing with this situation, something we don 't know about, where Ray releasing the photos is concerned?
I understand why so many are cynical about this. It does look like BS -- but might there be another reason Ray has for delaying release, other than stubborn resistance? There might be a compelling reason for his hesitance (other than ego), possibly?
I understand why so many are cynical about this. It does look like BS -- but might there be another reason Ray has for delaying release, other than stubborn resistance? There might be a compelling reason for his hesitance (other than ego), possibly?
withoutlimits09
Paranormal Adept
Walter, Ray says he does not want to release the photos because he will be attacked regardless. He has previously stated his ufo film, that shows, in clear day light, a flying saucer shooting a plasma beam at him, was so clear and so compelling, our enemies would be able to discern new propulsion technology just by viewing it.
I am not asking Ray to release his footage on the Paracast, but he should at least present it at a major University. If he claims the flying saucer is shooting plasma, I would like to hear a Plasma Physicist weigh in on his assertion!
I think it is very easy to pick on Steven Greer, but I give him some credit. When he came across that strange humanoid mummy, he immediately took it to Stanford University and had it examined and those findings released. Stanford University also fairly participated in his documentary. So there is a proper way to go about this if Ray is actually serious. Rather than do any of this, he simply appears on radio show after radio show and hypes up his evidence, tells listeners how rock solid it all is, but won't do even the most basic thing to substantiate it. Then he cries that people attack him and he isn't' taken seriously. The best way for Ray to be taken seriously and for people to respect his work is for it to be authenticated or at least even be deemed interesting by a reputable institution.
I have no issues if Ray wants to do his research privately, share it with select individuals and conduct himself privately. But it is frustrating to listen to his claims over and over, yet see him produce nothing.
Walter Bosley
Paranormal Adept
Oh, I know what you're saying. I've heard some interviews, read threads here, and he even went off on me on Radio Misterioso, not because I said he didn't see what he saw but that maybe it was classified tech. I was just thinking out loud and figured the 'something missing to the story' element ought to be considered.
callmesnake
Skilled Investigator
Call me a cynic and a couch potato all you want. Say people like me have encouraged this stalemate, but the fact is Stanford has brought his own credibility into question making ridiculous, nonsensical and downright childish excuses like 'i won't show them because you won't believe them anyway.'
As for the remark
"If you have been in ray's shoes, and none of you have"
Let's get one thing clear. He is just a man who has taken a bunch of film and photos and has a few stories to tell. Nothing special.
As for the remark
"If you have been in ray's shoes, and none of you have"
Let's get one thing clear. He is just a man who has taken a bunch of film and photos and has a few stories to tell. Nothing special.
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Ian
Paranormal Maven
In other branches of science people release new ideas or new evidence, knowing they risk ridicule, but guess what? They get over it and stand by their convictions.
My apologies if I'm mistaken, but was it Ray who claimed to have outstanding photographic evidence of some amazing dog/wolf-like creature? Whoever it was claimed on the Paracast that this proof would be released as soon as some website was completed. Suddenly nothing happened. That must have been at least two years ago.
Perhaps Gene and Chris do their best, but from an observer's point of view there should be much more 'holding feet to the fire' when guests say on air that they will do something!
Such empty promises are enough to give the subject a bad name...
My apologies if I'm mistaken, but was it Ray who claimed to have outstanding photographic evidence of some amazing dog/wolf-like creature? Whoever it was claimed on the Paracast that this proof would be released as soon as some website was completed. Suddenly nothing happened. That must have been at least two years ago.
Perhaps Gene and Chris do their best, but from an observer's point of view there should be much more 'holding feet to the fire' when guests say on air that they will do something!
Such empty promises are enough to give the subject a bad name...
"He is just a man..." blah blah. Too funny. Soon there will be a major announcement on Rays incredible dinosaur slab found at Goddard. It is shaking up the world of Paleantology. More evidence that Ray is sharper than about all of the sticks here. Done posting here...exit right.
callmesnake
Skilled Investigator
Soon.
When soon?
His paleontological exploits are well documented and no doubt scrutinised by that community.
They have no bearing on this subject whatsoever.
When soon?
His paleontological exploits are well documented and no doubt scrutinised by that community.
They have no bearing on this subject whatsoever.
Creepy Green Light
Paranormal Adept
Yeah, exactly.
stonehart
Paranormal Adept
^^^^^ that there my friends is a true believer.
Remember what it looks like and hell they irritate me.
Bob Watson
Paranormal Adept
Wow..selfish? Is it selfish to want everyone to see the pics? Anyhow I await the release of the pics but by the time I see them I will be old and grey.
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mikeclr
Skilled Investigator
Well, I have to admit I was surprised when I opened my email and saw this thread was active again.
At this point I feel I have a better chance of having lunch with Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, and Uncle Sam then ever seeing Ray's photos.
I'm just really curious why Ray's proponents continue to repeatedly tout the photos and then
basically flip off anyone who complains when they never materialize.
At this point I feel I have a better chance of having lunch with Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, and Uncle Sam then ever seeing Ray's photos.
I'm just really curious why Ray's proponents continue to repeatedly tout the photos and then
basically flip off anyone who complains when they never materialize.
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Walter Bosley
Paranormal Adept
Personally, I've lost enough interest in the UFO subject, mostly the ET UFO issue, that I don't really care either way. If he shows them, I'll look; if he doesn't, no loss because nothing changes. I don't know the man personally so I'll stay away from commenting on him, but do the photos really matter anymore at this point? It would be cool to see the photos if they actually are so convincing, but presently we must question that due mostly to the goofiness of the whole thing.
withoutlimits09
Paranormal Adept
Why is it that Ray's research is even mentioned in proper circles of Paleontology? Have you ever asked yourself this?
Because he submitted his research to places like Goddard, who were then able to examine it, authenticate it and then support his cause and give him proper credit. The only way Ray and others are able to brag on an on about his dino research is because he went through the proper channels to have it examined. If he was just some old man living in a shack going on dino-podcasts and writing on small internet forums about his great discoveries, not a single person would ever take him seriously. Goddard would not even waste a second with him unless he shared his research and findings. Curiously, however, Ray does just the opposite with his UFO evidence. He refuses to submit it to any proper scientific institution, then cries because people don't take him seriously! How seriously would Goddard take him if he only submitted sketches of fossils he claimed to have found, while refusing to go any further?
Frankly, I think Ray should be 100% in control of his research, he shouldn't be forced to submit anything if he prefers to remain silent and work privately. However, that isn't what he does, he appears all over the internet, and on virtually every podcast hyping up and promoting his evidence. As long as he continues to do this, we are all fair game in simply asking him to put up or shut up.
Goddard would expect no less when it comes to his dino research, and any intelligent person should expect no less when it comes to something as extraordinary as UFO's, plasma beams, egg shaped craft with landing gears and massive mother ships fighting off fighter jets over large cities.
If you fail to realize this, or if you think anything I just wrote is disrespectful or unreasonable, then I would suggest you need to take off the devotee hat and look at the world through more objective lenses.
Thats en excellent point, had he claimed to have made some paleological discovery but then submitted no evidence for it whatsoever, he would get the same reaction from that branch of science as hes getting over this matter.
withoutlimits09
Paranormal Adept
ding ding ding...exactly. What I am suggesting here isn't even remotely controversial, if anyone thinks it is, they have the problem, not me.
You are SO wrong. Hyper-visual acuity (when insightfully harnessed & acknowledged) is worth it's weight in gold! As above/so below.
Ravensfee
Paranormal Maven
On a wider, slightly ponderous point, this discussion reminded me of a comment made by, I think, Joshua Cutchin in a recent Where Did the Road Go podcast (here) where he talked about the "self-negating nature of this phenomenon" (I'm sure I've paraphrased slightly there).
It's something I've often pondered when looking at poltergeist cases; the most compelling always contain an incident where the focus of the activity is caught hoaxing an event.
We often hear talk about the trickster in this field. Giving supposedly "compelling proof" to someone like Ray seems to fit in with that aspect perfectly.
I can understand why people find this frustrating, especially if you're approaching from a nuts and bolts POV, but it's almost if the field is supposed to be frustrating.
As the UFO occupants told abductee police patrolman Herbert Schirmer in 1967 "We want you to believe in us, but not too much".
It's something I've often pondered when looking at poltergeist cases; the most compelling always contain an incident where the focus of the activity is caught hoaxing an event.
We often hear talk about the trickster in this field. Giving supposedly "compelling proof" to someone like Ray seems to fit in with that aspect perfectly.
I can understand why people find this frustrating, especially if you're approaching from a nuts and bolts POV, but it's almost if the field is supposed to be frustrating.
As the UFO occupants told abductee police patrolman Herbert Schirmer in 1967 "We want you to believe in us, but not too much".
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callmesnake
Skilled Investigator
But Chris, with all due respect that is not the point here.
The point is him constantly promoting his 'game changing' photo/film evidence for the past however many years...and still nothing.
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On a lighter side note when I read the term -
'Hyper visual acuity'
...Richard Hoagland's face popped into my head.
The point is him constantly promoting his 'game changing' photo/film evidence for the past however many years...and still nothing.
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On a lighter side note when I read the term -
'Hyper visual acuity'
...Richard Hoagland's face popped into my head.
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